Why so much hate with EOTP vs WOTP parents

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is proficiency scores the only way to compare schools? I want you to answer before I respond further. PS- what school do your kids attend?

No, I'm not interested in revealing personal details about my life to you and all the other anonymous posters. Let's just say none of them attend either of the elementary schools we're talking about here. If you'd like to offer up details about your own children, maybe we'll all understand better your bias.

Compare the schools and the crime however you want. I've lived on both the east and west sides of the park, so I'm confident I have a pretty good basis to compare. I've got no need to convince you of anything.

NP here. I would wager this is a Janney parent with so much animosity towards EOTP and specifically Shepherd. Sorry to lump them together, but my experience on DCUM and with the school boundary assignment process, Janney parents are a handful and hold and unjust resentment towards Shepherd kids. I am reminded of this post from last year. It really should have been the end of this "JKLM is the only game in town" nonsense.

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/30/461815.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is proficiency scores the only way to compare schools? I want you to answer before I respond further. PS- what school do your kids attend?

No, I'm not interested in revealing personal details about my life to you and all the other anonymous posters. Let's just say none of them attend either of the elementary schools we're talking about here. If you'd like to offer up details about your own children, maybe we'll all understand better your bias.

Compare the schools and the crime however you want. I've lived on both the east and west sides of the park, so I'm confident I have a pretty good basis to compare. I've got no need to convince you of anything.

maybe you should, so a Shepherd parent can send you a ticket to their gala, where you can have a better understanding of the school in neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Jesus Christ people, what is the possible motivation for keeping this thread going? If you are happy with your neighborhood and your kid's school why does it piss you off so much that somebody else has made a different choice?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole thread was bait to begin with. But, reading it through, it's nice to learn that Shepherd seems to be roundly recognized -- by everyone! -- as one of the best neighborhood schools in the city.

No, all of us don't believe that to be true. I'm AA and I would not send my children to SP if I had a choice of any school WotP (except Hearst). I'm not interested in sending my children to high (by my standards) poverty schools. I love racial and cultural diversity, but I strongly prefer economic homogeneity (on the high end) in my children's school. I actively seek to avoid the social and academic distractions that children who come from impoverished backgrounds tend to bring into the classroom. Since this is an anonymous forum, I can be completely honest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New poster here (my kid attends a charter school). It is pretty sad when people are clearly making assertions about schools based on racial and SES status (saying Shepherd is not as good as Lafayette). To me, seeing the scores and demographics, I can safely assume that my high SES kid will get the same education at both schools. In fact, I think he may do better at a school like Shepherd that is IB, has economic diversity (but not too high), and smaller class sizes. If you look at the non FARM scores at each school, Shepherd does better than Lafayette. How could that be when most of Shepherd is black?!!! As PP noted, they have the same Great School rating, they both feed to Deal. I have to assume the people that are saying they are not equal are doing so because they are afraid of the demogroahics. As liberal as this town appears to be, once you pull back the thin layers, you see ugly southern roots heavily at play.

No, you and the SP booster are the ones trying to spin this into a racial issue. No one else is mentioning race.

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this is all part of SP's inadequacy complex. they cant reconcile that being one of the better EOTP neighborhood doesn't even get them in the conversation for being one of the better DC neighborhoods.

I think it's more like superiority complex/fear of losing home equity. See post PP Linked. Comparing apples to apples, white kids at Ross, Two Rivers, and Inspired Teaching perform better than most JKLMM schools. I think we can do away with thinking that JKLMM are the "best", they are simply the whitest...but even the white kids there don't do as well as white kids EOTP

[Anonymous]

White student performance on CAS:

**Shepherd, Bancroft, LT, DC Bilingual, and LAMB didn't have enough white students to list
Ross 100.00%
Two Rivers 97.32%
Hearst 96.67%
Eaton 96.47%
Oyster 95.98%
Mann 95.63%
Inspired 95.45%
Maury 95.45%
Stokes 95.45%
Capital City 95.45%
Lafayette 95.06%
Stoddert 93.23%
Janney 93.04%
Key 91.76%
Murch 91.56%
Yu Ying 90.54%
Haynes 90.00%
Logan 84.38%
Brent 83.62%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New poster here (my kid attends a charter school). It is pretty sad when people are clearly making assertions about schools based on racial and SES status (saying Shepherd is not as good as Lafayette). To me, seeing the scores and demographics, I can safely assume that my high SES kid will get the same education at both schools. In fact, I think he may do better at a school like Shepherd that is IB, has economic diversity (but not too high), and smaller class sizes. If you look at the non FARM scores at each school, Shepherd does better than Lafayette. How could that be when most of Shepherd is black?!!! As PP noted, they have the same Great School rating, they both feed to Deal. I have to assume the people that are saying they are not equal are doing so because they are afraid of the demogroahics. As liberal as this town appears to be, once you pull back the thin layers, you see ugly southern roots heavily at play.

No, you and the SP booster are the ones trying to spin this into a racial issue. No one else is mentioning race.

this is all part of SP's inadequacy complex. they cant reconcile that being one of the better EOTP neighborhood doesn't even get them in the conversation for being one of the better DC neighborhoods.

Or, perhaps the cause of all this vitriol is the WOTP parents' superiority complex, their need to prove that they live in a "better" DC neighborhood, and their need to put down people who live elsewhere?

[Anonymous]

abandon all hope ye who enter here

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:abandon all hope ye who enter here

We should let this thread die.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Without even trying, OP compared one location unfavorably to another while asking why others do the same.

OP, everything South of Manhattan (SOM) is so much worse than up there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:White student performance on CAS:

**Shepherd, Bancroft, LT, DC Bilingual, and LAMB didn't have enough white students to list
Ross 100.00%
Two Rivers 97.32%
Hearst 96.67%
Eaton 96.47%
Oyster 95.98%
Mann 95.63%
Inspired 95.45%
Maury 95.45%
Stokes 95.45%
Capital City 95.45%
Lafayette 95.06%
Stoddert 93.23%
Janney 93.04%
Key 91.76%
Murch 91.56%
Yu Ying 90.54%
Haynes 90.00%
Logan 84.38%
Brent 83.62%

Are these percentiles, as in "all the white kids at Brent were in the 83.62 percentile for the city?" or is it % scoring proficient or above, as in "83.62% of the kids in Brent scored at or above proficient?"

[Anonymous]

Way to go OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:White student performance on CAS:

**Shepherd, Bancroft, LT, DC Bilingual, and LAMB didn't have enough white students to list
Ross 100.00%
Two Rivers 97.32%
Hearst 96.67%
Eaton 96.47%
Oyster 95.98%
Mann 95.63%
Inspired 95.45%
Maury 95.45%
Stokes 95.45%
Capital City 95.45%
Lafayette 95.06%
Stoddert 93.23%
Janney 93.04%
Key 91.76%
Murch 91.56%
Yu Ying 90.54%
Haynes 90.00%
Logan 84.38%
Brent 83.62%

Are these percentiles, as in "all the white kids at Brent were in the 83.62 percentile for the city?" or is it % scoring proficient or above, as in "83.62% of the kids in Brent scored at or above proficient?"

% of white kids scoring proficient and above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
This whole thread was bait to begin with. But, reading it through, it's nice to learn that Shepherd seems to be roundly recognized -- by everyone! -- as one of the best neighborhood schools in the city.


No, all of us don't believe that to be true. I'm AA and I would not send my children to SP if I had a choice of any school WotP (except Hearst). I'm not interested in sending my children to high (by my standards) poverty schools. I love racial and cultural diversity, but I strongly prefer economic homogeneity (on the high end) in my children's school. I actively seek to avoid the social and academic distractions that children who come from impoverished backgrounds tend to bring into the classroom. Since this is an anonymous forum, I can be completely honest.

Shepherd's not that great, but I always get yelled at when I say that. The kids are nice. The teachers are nice. Everyone's trying. But there are issues.

For what it is worth though, snotty AA person, there's not a lot of "poor elements" at Shepherd. If anything, it suffers from the opposite end of the spectrum: entitled kids and entitled parents, who expect mountains to be moved for their every whim. That doesn't make it a bad place... that is, no worse than any other affluent school that has those kinds of social issues (and most do). So, if that's what you ARE looking for, I think you'd be right at home there.

I'm not African American. Maybe it's a white privilege thing--this being an anonymous board, maybe I can say that. Maybe it's a white privilege thing that makes me think that being from an impoverished background isn't contagious, that my kids can have poor friends and it won't rub off. Maybe it's the example of my grandparents, who were all pretty impoverished themselves, growing up in the 30's--or the lives they made for their kids, that were rather less impoverished. Maybe it's the fact that I spent most of my twenties and thirties living on almost nothing. Maybe I'm full of shit. But I believe really, really strongly in economic diversity in schools. It's why we sent our kids to public schools. It's why we picked Shepherd. (Which was a bad choice, for that.) All studies show: diversity is good for ALL kids.

It's why we're at a charter school now, which is ironically more diverse in all measures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This whole thread was bait to begin with. But, reading it through, it's nice to learn that Shepherd seems to be roundly recognized -- by everyone! -- as one of the best neighborhood schools in the city.


No, all of us don't believe that to be true. I'm AA and I would not send my children to SP if I had a choice of any school WotP (except Hearst). I'm not interested in sending my children to high (by my standards) poverty schools. I love racial and cultural diversity, but I strongly prefer economic homogeneity (on the high end) in my children's school. I actively seek to avoid the social and academic distractions that children who come from impoverished backgrounds tend to bring into the classroom. Since this is an anonymous forum, I can be completely honest.

Shepherd's not that great, but I always get yelled at when I say that. The kids are nice. The teachers are nice. Everyone's trying. But there are issues.

For what it is worth though, snotty AA person, there's not a lot of "poor elements" at Shepherd. If anything, it suffers from the opposite end of the spectrum: entitled kids and entitled parents, who expect mountains to be moved for their every whim. That doesn't make it a bad place... that is, no worse than any other affluent school that has those kinds of social issues (and most do). So, if that's what you ARE looking for, I think you'd be right at home there.

I'm not African American. Maybe it's a white privilege thing--this being an anonymous board, maybe I can say that. Maybe it's a white privilege thing that makes me think that being from an impoverished background isn't contagious, that my kids can have poor friends and it won't rub off. Maybe it's the example of my grandparents, who were all pretty impoverished themselves, growing up in the 30's--or the lives they made for their kids, that were rather less impoverished. Maybe it's the fact that I spent most of my twenties and thirties living on almost nothing. Maybe I'm full of shit. But I believe really, really strongly in economic diversity in schools. It's why we sent our kids to public schools. It's why we picked Shepherd. (Which was a bad choice, for that.) All studies show: diversity is good for ALL kids.

It's why we're at a charter school now, which is ironically more diverse in all measures.

And I'm sure there are dozens of parents that can say your current charter is not "all that". Many that can give reasons why or just make blanket statements. I am at a HRCS that has under 20% FARM, most HRCS have similar farm make up. I would prefer a makeup like Shepherd (1/3).