Why so much hate with EOTP vs WOTP parents

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Anonymous wrote:I am the AA poster at 12:18 who said that I wouldn't send my child to SP. I also said that I would choose any WotP DCPS (except Hearst) over SP due to those schools' high poverty rates (as defined by me). You have provided a pretty good summary for my reasons. However, I am most concerned about negative peer influences that are often found in high poverty schools. I nip teacher stereotyping in the bud early on by signing emails/correspondence using my title ("Dr."); so that hasn't been a problem thus far. Btw, I already know that negative peer influences can be found in both high and low poverty schools; so please spare me that lecture. I attended private schools my entire life, so I understand what that environment looks/feels like. I also grew up in Jack and Jill, and my perspective on high-poverty schools is mostly shaped by what I observed in my chapter. Most of the J&J kids attended private high school. There were a few kids who went public all the way through high school graduation, and I saw that several struggled socially as a result. All of these kids (mostly boys) were the products of stable middle/upper middle/upper class two parent homes. Several of these boys felt compelled to prove that they weren't "soft rich boys" to their AA peers (low SES and didn't live in the affluent neighborhood where the public schools were located). Among these kids, one ended up dead, and two others spent some time in jail for petty crimes. Obviously, all of the public school kids didn't end up dead or turning to a life of crime. However, the only J&J kids (in my chapter at the time) who met this fate did. They were very negatively influenced by their AA peer group at school. My children currently attend our IB WotP school, and they are very happy and excelling academically. When the time comes, they will both attend racially diverse private middle and high schools where there are high academic expectations, and all students are expected to attend college (and beyond). If they are excluded from a party here or there, they'll live--it's called life.

I appreciate you sharing your story. The irony is that a majority of the SP kids are so nerdy, so "J&J", that your DC probably would have fit right in. Glad you found a good fit.

Fyi, half of Jack n Jill members are graduates of Shepherd or live in Shepherd Park, Links included in that as well. Do your research and make sound decisions.

I am a member of the DC Chapter of J&J. Since I didn't grow up in DC, I can't say whether or not a majority of current chapter members attended SPES or not. I do know that a very small minority of current J&J members send their children to SP now. I have children in two groups, and the vast majority of members' children attend language immersion (and other popular charters) or private school. There are a smattering of kids who attend other DCPS elementary schools, but I can't think of a single child in my children's groups who attend SP (I know that there are some in other groups within the chapter). I agree that a lot of members live in Shepherd Park, or elsewhere along Upper 16th St. I'm not trying to knock SP--I really don't have a horse in this race. However, it appears SPES is not very popular among current J&J members.

I beg to differ. I am not a J&J member but i do know that J&J had an event at Shepherd's field last weekend. i know this because i took my son to the park during the same time. One of the most discussed topics amongst the members (some i know) where supporting the SP Gala. If I an not mistaken your current president Jarvis sent all of her children to the school.

Yes, 2 of your standing officers children currently or previously went to Shepherd. SP is the bread and butter of J&J in DC, the founder of the chapter is an esteemed SP resident who sent her children there. Do your research.

Do YOUR research! I am a current DC Chapter J&J member and I stand by my statement. A small minority of current members send their children to SP. We have an annual "Family Fitness" Day at SP's field because most members live near the school. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they send their children to that school. The DC Chapter has nearly 150 mother members. If you heard 5-10 mothers discussing the gala, believe me, that represents the majority of those who send their children to that school. Btw, there are also people who attend school auction/gala to support the school in their neighborhood, or a school that they once attended (or graduated from). I don't know if Debbi Jarvis sent her kids to SP (her boys are older than my kids), but she is just one person (Btw, she's not officially the president yet). Her decision to send her kids there in no way sways other J&J moms to do the same. Why are you trying to make this a thing? If lots of members sent their children to SP, I would say so--I don't care either way. The fact is, they don't.

Mis-informed, its a shame when outsiders have to educate you on your chapter history. Your not a native Washingtonian so you have no clue. Like I said SP is the bread and butter of Jack n Jill, The Links, and Black Tuxedo Ball. Like I said a large percentage of your chapter live and/or went to Shepherd. Do not diminish what SP has done for organizations such as the one you are in with your ignorance.

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Anonymous wrote:I am the AA poster at 12:18 who said that I wouldn't send my child to SP. I also said that I would choose any WotP DCPS (except Hearst) over SP due to those schools' high poverty rates (as defined by me). You have provided a pretty good summary for my reasons. However, I am most concerned about negative peer influences that are often found in high poverty schools. I nip teacher stereotyping in the bud early on by signing emails/correspondence using my title ("Dr."); so that hasn't been a problem thus far. Btw, I already know that negative peer influences can be found in both high and low poverty schools; so please spare me that lecture. I attended private schools my entire life, so I understand what that environment looks/feels like. I also grew up in Jack and Jill, and my perspective on high-poverty schools is mostly shaped by what I observed in my chapter. Most of the J&J kids attended private high school. There were a few kids who went public all the way through high school graduation, and I saw that several struggled socially as a result. All of these kids (mostly boys) were the products of stable middle/upper middle/upper class two parent homes. Several of these boys felt compelled to prove that they weren't "soft rich boys" to their AA peers (low SES and didn't live in the affluent neighborhood where the public schools were located). Among these kids, one ended up dead, and two others spent some time in jail for petty crimes. Obviously, all of the public school kids didn't end up dead or turning to a life of crime. However, the only J&J kids (in my chapter at the time) who met this fate did. They were very negatively influenced by their AA peer group at school. My children currently attend our IB WotP school, and they are very happy and excelling academically. When the time comes, they will both attend racially diverse private middle and high schools where there are high academic expectations, and all students are expected to attend college (and beyond). If they are excluded from a party here or there, they'll live--it's called life.

I appreciate you sharing your story. The irony is that a majority of the SP kids are so nerdy, so "J&J", that your DC probably would have fit right in. Glad you found a good fit.

Fyi, half of Jack n Jill members are graduates of Shepherd or live in Shepherd Park, Links included in that as well. Do your research and make sound decisions.

I am a member of the DC Chapter of J&J. Since I didn't grow up in DC, I can't say whether or not a majority of current chapter members attended SPES or not. I do know that a very small minority of current J&J members send their children to SP now. I have children in two groups, and the vast majority of members' children attend language immersion (and other popular charters) or private school. There are a smattering of kids who attend other DCPS elementary schools, but I can't think of a single child in my children's groups who attend SP (I know that there are some in other groups within the chapter). I agree that a lot of members live in Shepherd Park, or elsewhere along Upper 16th St. I'm not trying to knock SP--I really don't have a horse in this race. However, it appears SPES is not very popular among current J&J members.

I beg to differ. I am not a J&J member but i do know that J&J had an event at Shepherd's field last weekend. i know this because i took my son to the park during the same time. One of the most discussed topics amongst the members (some i know) where supporting the SP Gala. If I an not mistaken your current president Jarvis sent all of her children to the school.

Yes, 2 of your standing officers children currently or previously went to Shepherd. SP is the bread and butter of J&J in DC, the founder of the chapter is an esteemed SP resident who sent her children there. Do your research.

Do YOUR research! I am a current DC Chapter J&J member and I stand by my statement. A small minority of current members send their children to SP. We have an annual "Family Fitness" Day at SP's field because most members live near the school. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they send their children to that school. The DC Chapter has nearly 150 mother members. If you heard 5-10 mothers discussing the gala, believe me, that represents the majority of those who send their children to that school. Btw, there are also people who attend school auction/gala to support the school in their neighborhood, or a school that they once attended (or graduated from). I don't know if Debbi Jarvis sent her kids to SP (her boys are older than my kids), but she is just one person (Btw, she's not officially the president yet). Her decision to send her kids there in no way sways other J&J moms to do the same. Why are you trying to make this a thing? If lots of members sent their children to SP, I would say so--I don't care either way. The fact is, they don't.

Mis-informed, its a shame when outsiders have to educate you on your chapter history. Your not a native Washingtonian so you have no clue. Like I said SP is the bread and butter of Jack n Jill, The Links, and Black Tuxedo Ball. Like I said a large percentage of your chapter live and/or went to Shepherd. Do not diminish what SP has done for organizations such as the one you are in with your ignorance.

Who are you talking about? I grew up in J&J and I am a member of the DC Chapter. You're not a member at all, although you sound like you're trying to be one. You have NO idea where current members send their children. LOL at SP being the "bread and butter" of J&J--dream on! No one talks about that school at chapter meetings or events. NO ONE!

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What is Jack and Jill??

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Anonymous wrote:I am the AA poster at 12:18 who said that I wouldn't send my child to SP. I also said that I would choose any WotP DCPS (except Hearst) over SP due to those schools' high poverty rates (as defined by me). You have provided a pretty good summary for my reasons. However, I am most concerned about negative peer influences that are often found in high poverty schools. I nip teacher stereotyping in the bud early on by signing emails/correspondence using my title ("Dr."); so that hasn't been a problem thus far. Btw, I already know that negative peer influences can be found in both high and low poverty schools; so please spare me that lecture. I attended private schools my entire life, so I understand what that environment looks/feels like. I also grew up in Jack and Jill, and my perspective on high-poverty schools is mostly shaped by what I observed in my chapter. Most of the J&J kids attended private high school. There were a few kids who went public all the way through high school graduation, and I saw that several struggled socially as a result. All of these kids (mostly boys) were the products of stable middle/upper middle/upper class two parent homes. Several of these boys felt compelled to prove that they weren't "soft rich boys" to their AA peers (low SES and didn't live in the affluent neighborhood where the public schools were located). Among these kids, one ended up dead, and two others spent some time in jail for petty crimes. Obviously, all of the public school kids didn't end up dead or turning to a life of crime. However, the only J&J kids (in my chapter at the time) who met this fate did. They were very negatively influenced by their AA peer group at school. My children currently attend our IB WotP school, and they are very happy and excelling academically. When the time comes, they will both attend racially diverse private middle and high schools where there are high academic expectations, and all students are expected to attend college (and beyond). If they are excluded from a party here or there, they'll live--it's called life.

I appreciate you sharing your story. The irony is that a majority of the SP kids are so nerdy, so "J&J", that your DC probably would have fit right in. Glad you found a good fit.

Fyi, half of Jack n Jill members are graduates of Shepherd or live in Shepherd Park, Links included in that as well. Do your research and make sound decisions.

I am a member of the DC Chapter of J&J. Since I didn't grow up in DC, I can't say whether or not a majority of current chapter members attended SPES or not. I do know that a very small minority of current J&J members send their children to SP now. I have children in two groups, and the vast majority of members' children attend language immersion (and other popular charters) or private school. There are a smattering of kids who attend other DCPS elementary schools, but I can't think of a single child in my children's groups who attend SP (I know that there are some in other groups within the chapter). I agree that a lot of members live in Shepherd Park, or elsewhere along Upper 16th St. I'm not trying to knock SP--I really don't have a horse in this race. However, it appears SPES is not very popular among current J&J members.

I beg to differ. I am not a J&J member but i do know that J&J had an event at Shepherd's field last weekend. i know this because i took my son to the park during the same time. One of the most discussed topics amongst the members (some i know) where supporting the SP Gala. If I an not mistaken your current president Jarvis sent all of her children to the school.

Yes, 2 of your standing officers children currently or previously went to Shepherd. SP is the bread and butter of J&J in DC, the founder of the chapter is an esteemed SP resident who sent her children there. Do your research.

Do YOUR research! I am a current DC Chapter J&J member and I stand by my statement. A small minority of current members send their children to SP. We have an annual "Family Fitness" Day at SP's field because most members live near the school. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they send their children to that school. The DC Chapter has nearly 150 mother members. If you heard 5-10 mothers discussing the gala, believe me, that represents the majority of those who send their children to that school. Btw, there are also people who attend school auction/gala to support the school in their neighborhood, or a school that they once attended (or graduated from). I don't know if Debbi Jarvis sent her kids to SP (her boys are older than my kids), but she is just one person (Btw, she's not officially the president yet). Her decision to send her kids there in no way sways other J&J moms to do the same. Why are you trying to make this a thing? If lots of members sent their children to SP, I would say so--I don't care either way. The fact is, they don't.

Mis-informed, its a shame when outsiders have to educate you on your chapter history. Your not a native Washingtonian so you have no clue. Like I said SP is the bread and butter of Jack n Jill, The Links, and Black Tuxedo Ball. Like I said a large percentage of your chapter live and/or went to Shepherd. Do not diminish what SP has done for organizations such as the one you are in with your ignorance.

Who are you talking about? I grew up in J&J and I am a member of the DC Chapter. You're not a member at all, although you sound like you're trying to be one. You have NO idea where current members send their children. LOL at SP being the "bread and butter" of J&J--dream on! No one talks about that school at chapter meetings or events. NO ONE!

I am not the poster who questioned your chapter but for my understanding who is your founding chapter member? I see that point was not directly addressed as I believe it gives credibility to the posters position. Was your chapter founded by a SP resident and/or residents?

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This has got to be one of the worst all-time threads on this forum.

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As a member of a greek organization I dont think any organization would appreciate their organization being discussed on a blog. Lets be mindful of what is said about organizations that have long legacies in the DC area.

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Anonymous wrote:I am the AA poster at 12:18 who said that I wouldn't send my child to SP. I also said that I would choose any WotP DCPS (except Hearst) over SP due to those schools' high poverty rates (as defined by me). You have provided a pretty good summary for my reasons. However, I am most concerned about negative peer influences that are often found in high poverty schools. I nip teacher stereotyping in the bud early on by signing emails/correspondence using my title ("Dr."); so that hasn't been a problem thus far. Btw, I already know that negative peer influences can be found in both high and low poverty schools; so please spare me that lecture. I attended private schools my entire life, so I understand what that environment looks/feels like. I also grew up in Jack and Jill, and my perspective on high-poverty schools is mostly shaped by what I observed in my chapter. Most of the J&J kids attended private high school. There were a few kids who went public all the way through high school graduation, and I saw that several struggled socially as a result. All of these kids (mostly boys) were the products of stable middle/upper middle/upper class two parent homes. Several of these boys felt compelled to prove that they weren't "soft rich boys" to their AA peers (low SES and didn't live in the affluent neighborhood where the public schools were located). Among these kids, one ended up dead, and two others spent some time in jail for petty crimes. Obviously, all of the public school kids didn't end up dead or turning to a life of crime. However, the only J&J kids (in my chapter at the time) who met this fate did. They were very negatively influenced by their AA peer group at school. My children currently attend our IB WotP school, and they are very happy and excelling academically. When the time comes, they will both attend racially diverse private middle and high schools where there are high academic expectations, and all students are expected to attend college (and beyond). If they are excluded from a party here or there, they'll live--it's called life.

I appreciate you sharing your story. The irony is that a majority of the SP kids are so nerdy, so "J&J", that your DC probably would have fit right in. Glad you found a good fit.

Fyi, half of Jack n Jill members are graduates of Shepherd or live in Shepherd Park, Links included in that as well. Do your research and make sound decisions.

I am a member of the DC Chapter of J&J. Since I didn't grow up in DC, I can't say whether or not a majority of current chapter members attended SPES or not. I do know that a very small minority of current J&J members send their children to SP now. I have children in two groups, and the vast majority of members' children attend language immersion (and other popular charters) or private school. There are a smattering of kids who attend other DCPS elementary schools, but I can't think of a single child in my children's groups who attend SP (I know that there are some in other groups within the chapter). I agree that a lot of members live in Shepherd Park, or elsewhere along Upper 16th St. I'm not trying to knock SP--I really don't have a horse in this race. However, it appears SPES is not very popular among current J&J members.

I beg to differ. I am not a J&J member but i do know that J&J had an event at Shepherd's field last weekend. i know this because i took my son to the park during the same time. One of the most discussed topics amongst the members (some i know) where supporting the SP Gala. If I an not mistaken your current president Jarvis sent all of her children to the school.

Yes, 2 of your standing officers children currently or previously went to Shepherd. SP is the bread and butter of J&J in DC, the founder of the chapter is an esteemed SP resident who sent her children there. Do your research.

Do YOUR research! I am a current DC Chapter J&J member and I stand by my statement. A small minority of current members send their children to SP. We have an annual "Family Fitness" Day at SP's field because most members live near the school. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they send their children to that school. The DC Chapter has nearly 150 mother members. If you heard 5-10 mothers discussing the gala, believe me, that represents the majority of those who send their children to that school. Btw, there are also people who attend school auction/gala to support the school in their neighborhood, or a school that they once attended (or graduated from). I don't know if Debbi Jarvis sent her kids to SP (her boys are older than my kids), but she is just one person (Btw, she's not officially the president yet). Her decision to send her kids there in no way sways other J&J moms to do the same. Why are you trying to make this a thing? If lots of members sent their children to SP, I would say so--I don't care either way. The fact is, they don't.

Mis-informed, its a shame when outsiders have to educate you on your chapter history. Your not a native Washingtonian so you have no clue. Like I said SP is the bread and butter of Jack n Jill, The Links, and Black Tuxedo Ball. Like I said a large percentage of your chapter live and/or went to Shepherd. Do not diminish what SP has done for organizations such as the one you are in with your ignorance.

Who are you talking about? I grew up in J&J and I am a member of the DC Chapter. You're not a member at all, although you sound like you're trying to be one. You have NO idea where current members send their children. LOL at SP being the "bread and butter" of J&J--dream on! No one talks about that school at chapter meetings or events. NO ONE!

I am not the poster who questioned your chapter but for my understanding who is your founding chapter member? I see that point was not directly addressed as I believe it gives credibility to the posters position. Was your chapter founded by a SP resident and/or residents?

The DC Chapter is over 75 years old. How do the chapter's founders affect where current members send their children to school? DC was a different place 75 years ago (i.e., most neighborhoods and private schools were racially segregated). If you still want to know who founded the DC Chapter, Google it.

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See what I mean about the infighting? Seriously, DC folk. Y'all need hugs.

I don't know if my own colonial dames eligibility would help me administer them. Probably not.

For what it's worth though, I knew a lot of women in j&j from our old city. Have a ton of friends on Facebook who are associated with it. Except at Shepherd, no one has ever really brought it up as a way of establishing their importance.

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Also, if j&j is supposed to be aobut education and betterment for African American children, why is it being used as a junior league thing?

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Anonymous wrote:I am the AA poster at 12:18 who said that I wouldn't send my child to SP. I also said that I would choose any WotP DCPS (except Hearst) over SP due to those schools' high poverty rates (as defined by me). You have provided a pretty good summary for my reasons. However, I am most concerned about negative peer influences that are often found in high poverty schools. I nip teacher stereotyping in the bud early on by signing emails/correspondence using my title ("Dr."); so that hasn't been a problem thus far. Btw, I already know that negative peer influences can be found in both high and low poverty schools; so please spare me that lecture. I attended private schools my entire life, so I understand what that environment looks/feels like. I also grew up in Jack and Jill, and my perspective on high-poverty schools is mostly shaped by what I observed in my chapter. Most of the J&J kids attended private high school. There were a few kids who went public all the way through high school graduation, and I saw that several struggled socially as a result. All of these kids (mostly boys) were the products of stable middle/upper middle/upper class two parent homes. Several of these boys felt compelled to prove that they weren't "soft rich boys" to their AA peers (low SES and didn't live in the affluent neighborhood where the public schools were located). Among these kids, one ended up dead, and two others spent some time in jail for petty crimes. Obviously, all of the public school kids didn't end up dead or turning to a life of crime. However, the only J&J kids (in my chapter at the time) who met this fate did. They were very negatively influenced by their AA peer group at school. My children currently attend our IB WotP school, and they are very happy and excelling academically. When the time comes, they will both attend racially diverse private middle and high schools where there are high academic expectations, and all students are expected to attend college (and beyond). If they are excluded from a party here or there, they'll live--it's called life.

I appreciate you sharing your story. The irony is that a majority of the SP kids are so nerdy, so "J&J", that your DC probably would have fit right in. Glad you found a good fit.

Fyi, half of Jack n Jill members are graduates of Shepherd or live in Shepherd Park, Links included in that as well. Do your research and make sound decisions.

I am a member of the DC Chapter of J&J. Since I didn't grow up in DC, I can't say whether or not a majority of current chapter members attended SPES or not. I do know that a very small minority of current J&J members send their children to SP now. I have children in two groups, and the vast majority of members' children attend language immersion (and other popular charters) or private school. There are a smattering of kids who attend other DCPS elementary schools, but I can't think of a single child in my children's groups who attend SP (I know that there are some in other groups within the chapter). I agree that a lot of members live in Shepherd Park, or elsewhere along Upper 16th St. I'm not trying to knock SP--I really don't have a horse in this race. However, it appears SPES is not very popular among current J&J members.

I beg to differ. I am not a J&J member but i do know that J&J had an event at Shepherd's field last weekend. i know this because i took my son to the park during the same time. One of the most discussed topics amongst the members (some i know) where supporting the SP Gala. If I an not mistaken your current president Jarvis sent all of her children to the school.

Yes, 2 of your standing officers children currently or previously went to Shepherd. SP is the bread and butter of J&J in DC, the founder of the chapter is an esteemed SP resident who sent her children there. Do your research.

Do YOUR research! I am a current DC Chapter J&J member and I stand by my statement. A small minority of current members send their children to SP. We have an annual "Family Fitness" Day at SP's field because most members live near the school. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they send their children to that school. The DC Chapter has nearly 150 mother members. If you heard 5-10 mothers discussing the gala, believe me, that represents the majority of those who send their children to that school. Btw, there are also people who attend school auction/gala to support the school in their neighborhood, or a school that they once attended (or graduated from). I don't know if Debbi Jarvis sent her kids to SP (her boys are older than my kids), but she is just one person (Btw, she's not officially the president yet). Her decision to send her kids there in no way sways other J&J moms to do the same. Why are you trying to make this a thing? If lots of members sent their children to SP, I would say so--I don't care either way. The fact is, they don't.

Mis-informed, its a shame when outsiders have to educate you on your chapter history. Your not a native Washingtonian so you have no clue. Like I said SP is the bread and butter of Jack n Jill, The Links, and Black Tuxedo Ball. Like I said a large percentage of your chapter live and/or went to Shepherd. Do not diminish what SP has done for organizations such as the one you are in with your ignorance.

Who are you talking about? I grew up in J&J and I am a member of the DC Chapter. You're not a member at all, although you sound like you're trying to be one. You have NO idea where current members send their children. LOL at SP being the "bread and butter" of J&J--dream on! No one talks about that school at chapter meetings or events. NO ONE!

I am not the poster who questioned your chapter but for my understanding who is your founding chapter member? I see that point was not directly addressed as I believe it gives credibility to the posters position. Was your chapter founded by a SP resident and/or residents?

The DC Chapter is over 75 years old. How do the chapter's founders affect where current members send their children to school? DC was a different place 75 years ago (i.e., most neighborhoods and private schools were racially segregated). If you still want to know who founded the DC Chapter, Google it.

I understand your point but the other poster was stating that your organization is rooted in the community. You can't dismiss that if your chapter was founded by members of the community. History is history and you can not change that no matter what the current demographics are. Its like saying AKA's have no affiliation with Howard University.

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How about the weather? This thread is getting too serious. lol

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Anonymous wrote:I am the AA poster at 12:18 who said that I wouldn't send my child to SP. I also said that I would choose any WotP DCPS (except Hearst) over SP due to those schools' high poverty rates (as defined by me). You have provided a pretty good summary for my reasons. However, I am most concerned about negative peer influences that are often found in high poverty schools. I nip teacher stereotyping in the bud early on by signing emails/correspondence using my title ("Dr."); so that hasn't been a problem thus far. Btw, I already know that negative peer influences can be found in both high and low poverty schools; so please spare me that lecture. I attended private schools my entire life, so I understand what that environment looks/feels like. I also grew up in Jack and Jill, and my perspective on high-poverty schools is mostly shaped by what I observed in my chapter. Most of the J&J kids attended private high school. There were a few kids who went public all the way through high school graduation, and I saw that several struggled socially as a result. All of these kids (mostly boys) were the products of stable middle/upper middle/upper class two parent homes. Several of these boys felt compelled to prove that they weren't "soft rich boys" to their AA peers (low SES and didn't live in the affluent neighborhood where the public schools were located). Among these kids, one ended up dead, and two others spent some time in jail for petty crimes. Obviously, all of the public school kids didn't end up dead or turning to a life of crime. However, the only J&J kids (in my chapter at the time) who met this fate did. They were very negatively influenced by their AA peer group at school. My children currently attend our IB WotP school, and they are very happy and excelling academically. When the time comes, they will both attend racially diverse private middle and high schools where there are high academic expectations, and all students are expected to attend college (and beyond). If they are excluded from a party here or there, they'll live--it's called life.

I appreciate you sharing your story. The irony is that a majority of the SP kids are so nerdy, so "J&J", that your DC probably would have fit right in. Glad you found a good fit.

Fyi, half of Jack n Jill members are graduates of Shepherd or live in Shepherd Park, Links included in that as well. Do your research and make sound decisions.

I am a member of the DC Chapter of J&J. Since I didn't grow up in DC, I can't say whether or not a majority of current chapter members attended SPES or not. I do know that a very small minority of current J&J members send their children to SP now. I have children in two groups, and the vast majority of members' children attend language immersion (and other popular charters) or private school. There are a smattering of kids who attend other DCPS elementary schools, but I can't think of a single child in my children's groups who attend SP (I know that there are some in other groups within the chapter). I agree that a lot of members live in Shepherd Park, or elsewhere along Upper 16th St. I'm not trying to knock SP--I really don't have a horse in this race. However, it appears SPES is not very popular among current J&J members.

I beg to differ. I am not a J&J member but i do know that J&J had an event at Shepherd's field last weekend. i know this because i took my son to the park during the same time. One of the most discussed topics amongst the members (some i know) where supporting the SP Gala. If I an not mistaken your current president Jarvis sent all of her children to the school.

Yes, 2 of your standing officers children currently or previously went to Shepherd. SP is the bread and butter of J&J in DC, the founder of the chapter is an esteemed SP resident who sent her children there. Do your research.

Do YOUR research! I am a current DC Chapter J&J member and I stand by my statement. A small minority of current members send their children to SP. We have an annual "Family Fitness" Day at SP's field because most members live near the school. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they send their children to that school. The DC Chapter has nearly 150 mother members. If you heard 5-10 mothers discussing the gala, believe me, that represents the majority of those who send their children to that school. Btw, there are also people who attend school auction/gala to support the school in their neighborhood, or a school that they once attended (or graduated from). I don't know if Debbi Jarvis sent her kids to SP (her boys are older than my kids), but she is just one person (Btw, she's not officially the president yet). Her decision to send her kids there in no way sways other J&J moms to do the same. Why are you trying to make this a thing? If lots of members sent their children to SP, I would say so--I don't care either way. The fact is, they don't.

Mis-informed, its a shame when outsiders have to educate you on your chapter history. Your not a native Washingtonian so you have no clue. Like I said SP is the bread and butter of Jack n Jill, The Links, and Black Tuxedo Ball. Like I said a large percentage of your chapter live and/or went to Shepherd. Do not diminish what SP has done for organizations such as the one you are in with your ignorance.

Who are you talking about? I grew up in J&J and I am a member of the DC Chapter. You're not a member at all, although you sound like you're trying to be one. You have NO idea where current members send their children. LOL at SP being the "bread and butter" of J&J--dream on! No one talks about that school at chapter meetings or events. NO ONE!

I am not the poster who questioned your chapter but for my understanding who is your founding chapter member? I see that point was not directly addressed as I believe it gives credibility to the posters position. Was your chapter founded by a SP resident and/or residents?

The DC Chapter is over 75 years old. How do the chapter's founders affect where current members send their children to school? DC was a different place 75 years ago (i.e., most neighborhoods and private schools were racially segregated). If you still want to know who founded the DC Chapter, Google it.

I understand your point but the other poster was stating that your organization is rooted in the community. You can't dismiss that if your chapter was founded by members of the community. History is history and you can not change that no matter what the current demographics are. Its like saying AKA's have no affiliation with Howard University.

**Sigh** I'm a J&J member and an AKA. It's really not the same thing. I'm not trying to disrespect SPES, but it appears that some people on this thread think it's way more important to current J&J members than it is in reality. SP's intertwined history is little known and rarely discussed among current members.

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Anonymous wrote:I am the AA poster at 12:18 who said that I wouldn't send my child to SP. I also said that I would choose any WotP DCPS (except Hearst) over SP due to those schools' high poverty rates (as defined by me). You have provided a pretty good summary for my reasons. However, I am most concerned about negative peer influences that are often found in high poverty schools. I nip teacher stereotyping in the bud early on by signing emails/correspondence using my title ("Dr."); so that hasn't been a problem thus far. Btw, I already know that negative peer influences can be found in both high and low poverty schools; so please spare me that lecture. I attended private schools my entire life, so I understand what that environment looks/feels like. I also grew up in Jack and Jill, and my perspective on high-poverty schools is mostly shaped by what I observed in my chapter. Most of the J&J kids attended private high school. There were a few kids who went public all the way through high school graduation, and I saw that several struggled socially as a result. All of these kids (mostly boys) were the products of stable middle/upper middle/upper class two parent homes. Several of these boys felt compelled to prove that they weren't "soft rich boys" to their AA peers (low SES and didn't live in the affluent neighborhood where the public schools were located). Among these kids, one ended up dead, and two others spent some time in jail for petty crimes. Obviously, all of the public school kids didn't end up dead or turning to a life of crime. However, the only J&J kids (in my chapter at the time) who met this fate did. They were very negatively influenced by their AA peer group at school. My children currently attend our IB WotP school, and they are very happy and excelling academically. When the time comes, they will both attend racially diverse private middle and high schools where there are high academic expectations, and all students are expected to attend college (and beyond). If they are excluded from a party here or there, they'll live--it's called life.

I appreciate you sharing your story. The irony is that a majority of the SP kids are so nerdy, so "J&J", that your DC probably would have fit right in. Glad you found a good fit.

Fyi, half of Jack n Jill members are graduates of Shepherd or live in Shepherd Park, Links included in that as well. Do your research and make sound decisions.

I am a member of the DC Chapter of J&J. Since I didn't grow up in DC, I can't say whether or not a majority of current chapter members attended SPES or not. I do know that a very small minority of current J&J members send their children to SP now. I have children in two groups, and the vast majority of members' children attend language immersion (and other popular charters) or private school. There are a smattering of kids who attend other DCPS elementary schools, but I can't think of a single child in my children's groups who attend SP (I know that there are some in other groups within the chapter). I agree that a lot of members live in Shepherd Park, or elsewhere along Upper 16th St. I'm not trying to knock SP--I really don't have a horse in this race. However, it appears SPES is not very popular among current J&J members.

I beg to differ. I am not a J&J member but i do know that J&J had an event at Shepherd's field last weekend. i know this because i took my son to the park during the same time. One of the most discussed topics amongst the members (some i know) where supporting the SP Gala. If I an not mistaken your current president Jarvis sent all of her children to the school.

Yes, 2 of your standing officers children currently or previously went to Shepherd. SP is the bread and butter of J&J in DC, the founder of the chapter is an esteemed SP resident who sent her children there. Do your research.

Do YOUR research! I am a current DC Chapter J&J member and I stand by my statement. A small minority of current members send their children to SP. We have an annual "Family Fitness" Day at SP's field because most members live near the school. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they send their children to that school. The DC Chapter has nearly 150 mother members. If you heard 5-10 mothers discussing the gala, believe me, that represents the majority of those who send their children to that school. Btw, there are also people who attend school auction/gala to support the school in their neighborhood, or a school that they once attended (or graduated from). I don't know if Debbi Jarvis sent her kids to SP (her boys are older than my kids), but she is just one person (Btw, she's not officially the president yet). Her decision to send her kids there in no way sways other J&J moms to do the same. Why are you trying to make this a thing? If lots of members sent their children to SP, I would say so--I don't care either way. The fact is, they don't.

Mis-informed, its a shame when outsiders have to educate you on your chapter history. Your not a native Washingtonian so you have no clue. Like I said SP is the bread and butter of Jack n Jill, The Links, and Black Tuxedo Ball. Like I said a large percentage of your chapter live and/or went to Shepherd. Do not diminish what SP has done for organizations such as the one you are in with your ignorance.

Who are you talking about? I grew up in J&J and I am a member of the DC Chapter. You're not a member at all, although you sound like you're trying to be one. You have NO idea where current members send their children. LOL at SP being the "bread and butter" of J&J--dream on! No one talks about that school at chapter meetings or events. NO ONE!

I am not the poster who questioned your chapter but for my understanding who is your founding chapter member? I see that point was not directly addressed as I believe it gives credibility to the posters position. Was your chapter founded by a SP resident and/or residents?

The DC Chapter is over 75 years old. How do the chapter's founders affect where current members send their children to school? DC was a different place 75 years ago (i.e., most neighborhoods and private schools were racially segregated). If you still want to know who founded the DC Chapter, Google it.

I understand your point but the other poster was stating that your organization is rooted in the community. You can't dismiss that if your chapter was founded by members of the community. History is history and you can not change that no matter what the current demographics are. Its like saying AKA's have no affiliation with Howard University.

**Sigh** I'm a J&J member and an AKA. It's really not the same thing. I'm not trying to disrespect SPES, but it appears that some people on this thread think it's way more important to current J&J members than it is in reality. SP's intertwined history is little known and rarely discussed among current members.

I dont think the poster was saying it is so important to the current members but they are trying to explain the affiliation and how those shouldn't be dismissive of that history because you don't identify with the neighborhood. Just acknowledge so we can move on.

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And this folks is why I have never had interest in J&J. It gets even worse IME.