When a friend or family member is making a huge parenting mistake...

[Anonymous]

I try to treat others as I would like to be treated...I would want to hear it. Calmly. Fact based. In a one on one, you and me. So that's what I would do.

[Anonymous]

I don't want to read this whole thread. Can someone tell me if OP said what the damaging event is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't want to read this whole thread. Can someone tell me if OP said what the damaging event is?

No. but another poster had an issue and we've been discussing that for most of the time.

[Anonymous]

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You are wrong, PP. Just do a little research. It is not bad science when it is a widely accepted analysis.

I just googled and found widely different opinions, most of which were based on anecdotes. I'd love an actual citation of a study supporting this position. Not that day care is bad, but that starting day care at this particular age is bad.

here you go pp. this was literally the first hit on google. page 863, "socioemotional variables."

http://cckm.ca/ChildCare/pdf/Andersson1989.pdf

Thank you. What I conclude from this is that the only responsible thing to do is move to Sweden and put my kids in daycare after 6 months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I try to treat others as I would like to be treated...I would want to hear it. Calmly. Fact based. In a one on one, you and me. So that's what I would do.

+1 I want the same and would do the same.

[Anonymous]

I would want you to MYOB and would mind mine.

[Anonymous]

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You are wrong, PP. Just do a little research. It is not bad science when it is a widely accepted analysis.

I just googled and found widely different opinions, most of which were based on anecdotes. I'd love an actual citation of a study supporting this position. Not that day care is bad, but that starting day care at this particular age is bad.

here you go pp. this was literally the first hit on google. page 863, "socioemotional variables."

http://cckm.ca/ChildCare/pdf/Andersson1989.pdf

Thank you. What I conclude from this is that the only responsible thing to do is move to Sweden and put my kids in daycare after 6 months.

But if you do it earlier, make sure it's high quality day care. Then you're totally fine.

[Anonymous]

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You are wrong, PP. Just do a little research. It is not bad science when it is a widely accepted analysis.

I just googled and found widely different opinions, most of which were based on anecdotes. I'd love an actual citation of a study supporting this position. Not that day care is bad, but that starting day care at this particular age is bad.

here you go pp. this was literally the first hit on google. page 863, "socioemotional variables."

http://cckm.ca/ChildCare/pdf/Andersson1989.pdf

HAHAHA did you even read this, psychologist? Like, for instance, at page 864-865, where it says:

"The meaning for the parents of the Swedish family and child-care policy is that they can stay home for a major part of the child's first year of life without losing money or risking their jobs. In fact, this period will be extended to 18 months within the coming 3 years. After that, they are offered good day care. This may create an ideal situation both for parents and children."

Later on page 865, in summarizing the study: "This interpretation of the positive effects of Swedish day-care suggests two testable hypotheses: first, that day-care that begins after 6 months will have more beneficial effects than day-care that begins prior to that time; and, second, that negative effects of early day-care may occur primarily with that care is of poor quality."

Which part of that supports your assertion that an 18 month old placed in day care will suffer possibly life long psychological damage? If that's the case, why would be ideal that Sweden will implement a policy that permits parents to stay home and first place their child in day care at the age of 18 months?

[Anonymous]

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You are wrong, PP. Just do a little research. It is not bad science when it is a widely accepted analysis.

I just googled and found widely different opinions, most of which were based on anecdotes. I'd love an actual citation of a study supporting this position. Not that day care is bad, but that starting day care at this particular age is bad.

here you go pp. this was literally the first hit on google. page 863, "socioemotional variables."

http://cckm.ca/ChildCare/pdf/Andersson1989.pdf

HAHAHA did you even read this, psychologist? Like, for instance, at page 864-865, where it says:

"The meaning for the parents of the Swedish family and child-care policy is that they can stay home for a major part of the child's first year of life without losing money or risking their jobs. In fact, this period will be extended to 18 months within the coming 3 years. After that, they are offered good day care. This may create an ideal situation both for parents and children."

Later on page 865, in summarizing the study: "This interpretation of the positive effects of Swedish day-care suggests two testable hypotheses: first, that day-care that begins after 6 months will have more beneficial effects than day-care that begins prior to that time; and, second, that negative effects of early day-care may occur primarily with that care is of poor quality."

Which part of that supports your assertion that an 18 month old placed in day care will suffer possibly life long psychological damage? If that's the case, why would be ideal that Sweden will implement a policy that permits parents to stay home and first place their child in day care at the age of 18 months?

calm down gotcha girl. I'm not your hated psychologist. I posted the link bc I was tired of reading smug PPs unable to google stuff. there's much larger and better studies since this.

[Anonymous]

I'm still wondering why psychologist pp was concerned that the daycare was part of a franchised chain. What's the problem with that? Too much riffraff?

[Anonymous]

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You are wrong, PP. Just do a little research. It is not bad science when it is a widely accepted analysis.

I just googled and found widely different opinions, most of which were based on anecdotes. I'd love an actual citation of a study supporting this position. Not that day care is bad, but that starting day care at this particular age is bad.

here you go pp. this was literally the first hit on google. page 863, "socioemotional variables."

http://cckm.ca/ChildCare/pdf/Andersson1989.pdf

HAHAHA did you even read this, psychologist? Like, for instance, at page 864-865, where it says:

"The meaning for the parents of the Swedish family and child-care policy is that they can stay home for a major part of the child's first year of life without losing money or risking their jobs. In fact, this period will be extended to 18 months within the coming 3 years. After that, they are offered good day care. This may create an ideal situation both for parents and children."

Later on page 865, in summarizing the study: "This interpretation of the positive effects of Swedish day-care suggests two testable hypotheses: first, that day-care that begins after 6 months will have more beneficial effects than day-care that begins prior to that time; and, second, that negative effects of early day-care may occur primarily with that care is of poor quality."

Which part of that supports your assertion that an 18 month old placed in day care will suffer possibly life long psychological damage? If that's the case, why would be ideal that Sweden will implement a policy that permits parents to stay home and first place their child in day care at the age of 18 months?

calm down gotcha girl. I'm not your hated psychologist. I posted the link bc I was tired of reading smug PPs unable to google stuff. there's much larger and better studies since this.

So you proved what point exactly by googling and pasting something that didn't remotely support your point?

[Anonymous]

With regards to the much discussed Psychologist PP, I'm guessing the sister and brother-in-law made the decision for financial reasons and jokingly said they were going to "toughen the kid up" because the PP couldn't. let. it. go. She then reacted like a crazy person. The child will be fine.

[Anonymous]

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You are wrong, PP. Just do a little research. It is not bad science when it is a widely accepted analysis.

I just googled and found widely different opinions, most of which were based on anecdotes. I'd love an actual citation of a study supporting this position. Not that day care is bad, but that starting day care at this particular age is bad.

here you go pp. this was literally the first hit on google. page 863, "socioemotional variables."

http://cckm.ca/ChildCare/pdf/Andersson1989.pdf

HAHAHA did you even read this, psychologist? Like, for instance, at page 864-865, where it says:

"The meaning for the parents of the Swedish family and child-care policy is that they can stay home for a major part of the child's first year of life without losing money or risking their jobs. In fact, this period will be extended to 18 months within the coming 3 years. After that, they are offered good day care. This may create an ideal situation both for parents and children."

Later on page 865, in summarizing the study: "This interpretation of the positive effects of Swedish day-care suggests two testable hypotheses: first, that day-care that begins after 6 months will have more beneficial effects than day-care that begins prior to that time; and, second, that negative effects of early day-care may occur primarily with that care is of poor quality."

Which part of that supports your assertion that an 18 month old placed in day care will suffer possibly life long psychological damage? If that's the case, why would be ideal that Sweden will implement a policy that permits parents to stay home and first place their child in day care at the age of 18 months?

calm down gotcha girl. I'm not your hated psychologist. I posted the link bc I was tired of reading smug PPs unable to google stuff. there's much larger and better studies since this.

So you proved what point exactly by googling and pasting something that didn't remotely support your point?

well, old though the study is, it's not "based on anecdote," and it does support the point that the age at which a kid goes into day care affects outcomes. Note page 864 which shows differences between the 0-1 and 1-2 groups. And now instead of sneering that there's no studies and psychologist pp is full of shit, you guys are sneering about a study that's almost 30 years old. So I think I have moved the ball somewhat, and definitely more than the PPs who couldn't even find this much.

How about you use some google-fu and find out what the large and more recent American longitudinal study says?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm still wondering why psychologist pp was concerned that the daycare was part of a franchised chain. What's the problem with that? Too much riffraff?

Too much sodium, too much fat, too many preservatives, artificial colorings, and artificial flavorings...

[Anonymous]

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calm down gotcha girl. I'm not your hated psychologist. I posted the link bc I was tired of reading smug PPs unable to google stuff. there's much larger and better studies since this.

So, out of curiosity, since "there's much larger and better studies since this" you posted this link instead of those bigger and better studies because....?