Any updates re the Hoggle children?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know anything about this case other than what I've read on DCUM and the brief press conferences, but if anyone else in the family did something, or a neighbor or handyman even, the mentally ill mother is an easy person to blame.

So you admit knowing nothing about what you speak yet here you are offering your opinion. Got it.

Same as everyone else on this thread, apparently. So far no one has offered a single shred of evidence. Just speculation.

If you read the police report you will see there is tons of evidence but the bodies were destroyed before they could get them.

So yes there is evidence… phone records, and video from stores, and witness testimony… there is a ton of evidence… but she’s malingering and they can’t take it to trial yet.

Malingering? Really? No one has said that and it’s really not a concept in mental health.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know anything about this case other than what I've read on DCUM and the brief press conferences, but if anyone else in the family did something, or a neighbor or handyman even, the mentally ill mother is an easy person to blame.

So you admit knowing nothing about what you speak yet here you are offering your opinion. Got it.

Same as everyone else on this thread, apparently. So far no one has offered a single shred of evidence. Just speculation.

If you read the police report you will see there is tons of evidence but the bodies were destroyed before they could get them.

So yes there is evidence… phone records, and video from stores, and witness testimony… there is a ton of evidence… but she’s malingering and they can’t take it to trial yet.

Malingering? Really? No one has said that and it’s really not a concept in mental health.

Pretty sure the experts evaluating her would recognize malingering.

[Anonymous]

On the verge of having the criminal charges dropped. I know some of you are convinced malingering is not a thing but I predict she'll make a "sudden" recovery in a year or two and be released.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/23/hoggle-trial-competency-hearing/

[Anonymous]

She murdered her own kids and mutilated their bodies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She murdered her own kids and mutilated their bodies.

And she’s about to get away with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On the verge of having the criminal charges dropped. I know some of you are convinced malingering is not a thing but I predict she'll make a "sudden" recovery in a year or two and be released.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/23/hoggle-trial-competency-hearing/

There is no statute of limitations on murder, and the charges that may be dropped soon can be reinstated the instant after she makes a sudden recovery to competency. There is no chance she gets off scott free to live a fully functioning life.

I’m a former prosecutor with extensive experience working with top mental health experts on competency issues in criminal cases. From what I learned on the job and in several hundred hours of specialized CLE trainings on mental health, I have no doubt this woman is seriously mentally ill. The greatest fault lies with her family who did not appreciate the seriousness of her illness and allowed her to be alone with those kids. But I can find compassion in my heart for them because they are lay people and on top of that they loved their kid and didn’t believe her capable of murder - what parent would readily assume this? Even in very sick schizophrenics violent homicidal behavior is very rare. Most lay people do not appreciate how a person can be floridly psychotic while appearing normal on the surface. Back in my days as a public defender I put myself in a very dangerous position with a schizophrenic client which I didn’t even at the time realize was a risk - I later learned he spoke at length in an arrest over something minor about his delusions about our relationship. It was chilling to realize what he was thinking about me while seeming quite normal on the surface in our interactions.

This is a sad case. I can totally believe that the mother is locking away her children someplace in her mind where it doesn’t touch the horror she inflicted on them. She might well choose to stay there with them forever.

Psychiatric professionals have long since deemed Andrea Yates improved enough to warrant release, but she’s chosen to stay in a Texas psych hospital instead. She cannot face living in the world carrying the burden of what her illness drove her to do. Surely by now we can all feel sympathy for Andrea Yates? She was failed by medical professionals and her husband most of all, who knew she was psychotic from PPD and kept getting her pregnant anyway.

Why did this woman have so many children with such serious mental illness? You would think her family would have encouraged otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the verge of having the criminal charges dropped. I know some of you are convinced malingering is not a thing but I predict she'll make a "sudden" recovery in a year or two and be released.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/23/hoggle-trial-competency-hearing/

There is no statute of limitations on murder, and the charges that may be dropped soon can be reinstated the instant after she makes a sudden recovery to competency. There is no chance she gets off scott free to live a fully functioning life.

I’m a former prosecutor with extensive experience working with top mental health experts on competency issues in criminal cases. From what I learned on the job and in several hundred hours of specialized CLE trainings on mental health, I have no doubt this woman is seriously mentally ill. The greatest fault lies with her family who did not appreciate the seriousness of her illness and allowed her to be alone with those kids. But I can find compassion in my heart for them because they are lay people and on top of that they loved their kid and didn’t believe her capable of murder - what parent would readily assume this? Even in very sick schizophrenics violent homicidal behavior is very rare. Most lay people do not appreciate how a person can be floridly psychotic while appearing normal on the surface. Back in my days as a public defender I put myself in a very dangerous position with a schizophrenic client which I didn’t even at the time realize was a risk - I later learned he spoke at length in an arrest over something minor about his delusions about our relationship. It was chilling to realize what he was thinking about me while seeming quite normal on the surface in our interactions.

This is a sad case. I can totally believe that the mother is locking away her children someplace in her mind where it doesn’t touch the horror she inflicted on them. She might well choose to stay there with them forever.

Psychiatric professionals have long since deemed Andrea Yates improved enough to warrant release, but she’s chosen to stay in a Texas psych hospital instead. She cannot face living in the world carrying the burden of what her illness drove her to do. Surely by now we can all feel sympathy for Andrea Yates? She was failed by medical professionals and her husband most of all, who knew she was psychotic from PPD and kept getting her pregnant anyway.

Why did this woman have so many children with such serious mental illness? You would think her family would have encouraged otherwise.

I’m sorry but Andrea Yate’s husband should have been punished as well. He should have been charged with neglect. He’s a big PoS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the verge of having the criminal charges dropped. I know some of you are convinced malingering is not a thing but I predict she'll make a "sudden" recovery in a year or two and be released.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/23/hoggle-trial-competency-hearing/

There is no statute of limitations on murder, and the charges that may be dropped soon can be reinstated the instant after she makes a sudden recovery to competency. There is no chance she gets off scott free to live a fully functioning life.

I’m a former prosecutor with extensive experience working with top mental health experts on competency issues in criminal cases. From what I learned on the job and in several hundred hours of specialized CLE trainings on mental health, I have no doubt this woman is seriously mentally ill. The greatest fault lies with her family who did not appreciate the seriousness of her illness and allowed her to be alone with those kids. But I can find compassion in my heart for them because they are lay people and on top of that they loved their kid and didn’t believe her capable of murder - what parent would readily assume this? Even in very sick schizophrenics violent homicidal behavior is very rare. Most lay people do not appreciate how a person can be floridly psychotic while appearing normal on the surface. Back in my days as a public defender I put myself in a very dangerous position with a schizophrenic client which I didn’t even at the time realize was a risk - I later learned he spoke at length in an arrest over something minor about his delusions about our relationship. It was chilling to realize what he was thinking about me while seeming quite normal on the surface in our interactions.

This is a sad case. I can totally believe that the mother is locking away her children someplace in her mind where it doesn’t touch the horror she inflicted on them. She might well choose to stay there with them forever.

Psychiatric professionals have long since deemed Andrea Yates improved enough to warrant release, but she’s chosen to stay in a Texas psych hospital instead. She cannot face living in the world carrying the burden of what her illness drove her to do. Surely by now we can all feel sympathy for Andrea Yates? She was failed by medical professionals and her husband most of all, who knew she was psychotic from PPD and kept getting her pregnant anyway.

Why did this woman have so many children with such serious mental illness? You would think her family would have encouraged otherwise.

I’m sorry but Andrea Yate’s husband should have been punished as well. He should have been charged with neglect. He’s a big PoS.

I agree!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the verge of having the criminal charges dropped. I know some of you are convinced malingering is not a thing but I predict she'll make a "sudden" recovery in a year or two and be released.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/23/hoggle-trial-competency-hearing/

There is no statute of limitations on murder, and the charges that may be dropped soon can be reinstated the instant after she makes a sudden recovery to competency. There is no chance she gets off scott free to live a fully functioning life.

I’m a former prosecutor with extensive experience working with top mental health experts on competency issues in criminal cases. From what I learned on the job and in several hundred hours of specialized CLE trainings on mental health, I have no doubt this woman is seriously mentally ill. The greatest fault lies with her family who did not appreciate the seriousness of her illness and allowed her to be alone with those kids. But I can find compassion in my heart for them because they are lay people and on top of that they loved their kid and didn’t believe her capable of murder - what parent would readily assume this? Even in very sick schizophrenics violent homicidal behavior is very rare. Most lay people do not appreciate how a person can be floridly psychotic while appearing normal on the surface. Back in my days as a public defender I put myself in a very dangerous position with a schizophrenic client which I didn’t even at the time realize was a risk - I later learned he spoke at length in an arrest over something minor about his delusions about our relationship. It was chilling to realize what he was thinking about me while seeming quite normal on the surface in our interactions.

This is a sad case. I can totally believe that the mother is locking away her children someplace in her mind where it doesn’t touch the horror she inflicted on them. She might well choose to stay there with them forever.

Psychiatric professionals have long since deemed Andrea Yates improved enough to warrant release, but she’s chosen to stay in a Texas psych hospital instead. She cannot face living in the world carrying the burden of what her illness drove her to do. Surely by now we can all feel sympathy for Andrea Yates? She was failed by medical professionals and her husband most of all, who knew she was psychotic from PPD and kept getting her pregnant anyway.

Why did this woman have so many children with such serious mental illness? You would think her family would have encouraged otherwise.

Thank you for this post. I didn't realize the charges can be reinstated when/if appropriate. They have now been dropped.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/30/hoggle-children-disappearance-competency-trial/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fb_news_token=NHCKrTkkDRO2gtZgO0XcqQ%3D%3D.DRsNL8HQVvs5fPwuC12MFKtSNzoXevTP%2Bp088Rk0EoOH6U3nPhYcXJrCE6%2BgyxF7%2BIYBmhAkzF36jXpoFD6KaaIMcUHQCUDp9QTunxaLy7g%2FU6On%2Bo%2BcYhFe9I45novYJoAeyIYuPZEABJ3UzDso31hUCDXeAzHJgADy9NN9GyFKYb7f24NdG%2BHYXe2Lsx8EP3vebpuzEw7LNibdhSOkIPpcIh0MVLP7bFJvfnpf0HxuyRq5PKaI094jqjnfWrbtrtB5vcWtTzXDRqzC3puQExpr5nDRGUKawxA8LojXK84Vt5lalFA2pS00f8ClmKgJx%2BFGbNa2yVXPIhndyAhrjzRFnHpoMY%2FGV%2BHEM639itkn%2FyyM%2BdjyV64LNZj%2BHcQO&fbclid=IwAR1XQhYzaa3-DE3Swx7QvnlWsVKxUmXOSAvtPfLUezHg_y-ym_RcjNV378I

[Anonymous]

There’s a new podcast out on this case called Unrestorable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There’s a new podcast out on this case called Unrestorable.

Wtf? I posted this exact post a month ago and it is showing up as new and from today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a new podcast out on this case called Unrestorable.

Wtf? I posted this exact post a month ago and it is showing up as new and from today.

That’s my post so it’s not yours - maybe yours is in another Hoggle thread?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a new podcast out on this case called Unrestorable.

Wtf? I posted this exact post a month ago and it is showing up as new and from today.

That’s my post so it’s not yours - maybe yours is in another Hoggle thread?

No way. I started listening to the podcast when it very first came out and remembered this thread, so I posted something either identical to what you posted, or extremely close. Was mine deleted?

[Anonymous]

I’m just listening to the new podcast. Man, I’m sorry he believed they were at a new daycare. It would’ve been so rare to be able to start kids that same day.

[Anonymous]

Catherine Hoggle was released from Perkins in late July and just charged in Montgomery County with the murder of the children.

I'm sorry I don't know how to link the article but it's from Moco show.

She was found to be incompetent to stand trial nine times. I wonder what will be different this time.

The kids would be 13 and 15 now.