Octuplet mom has 6 other kids!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ok so now that we have successfully passed judgement on her, let's talk business: who deserves more help from the government? A single mom from the US with 14 babies or a single mom from Sudan with 5 babies?

Or the unemployed baby daddy with 20 kids with 15 unemployed baby mamas on welfare?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok so now that we have successfully passed judgement on her, let's talk business: who deserves more help from the government? A single mom from the US with 14 babies or a single mom from Sudan with 5 babies?

Or the unemployed baby daddy with 20 kids with 15 unemployed baby mamas on welfare?

None of the above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is a link to the interview:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/29038814/

She is really wacky. He has had a ton of plastic surgery and it does not look right. This clearly is a sign of additional emotional problems.

She reminds me of Angelina Joile's ugly sister. Maybe she wants to be Angie?

How do you know she had a ton of plastic surgery?

[Anonymous]

What I find so genuinely interesting is how cases like these can become lightning rods so quickly. Sure, it does seem pretty easy to say that the doctors (if not the woman) acted irresponsibly here, but fortunately this kind of thing is just really not common enough to start imposing fertility laws based on one egregious case. I'm a lobbyist for a non-profit, and I can't tell you how many unfortunate and ill-advised laws are created via kneejerk and visceral reactions to a polarizing and egregious but all the same very rare occurances, like this one. Someone earlier raised the issue of the slippery slope and it's wise to pay attention to comments like that. The facts remain, the eggs were hers, she didn't want them destroyed, and she made a choice, presumably along with her doctor. Just because you believe one woman made the wrong choice, do you believe the government should step in and start taking these choices away from women and doctors?

Aside from the the legal and practical aspects discussed above, I'm surprised that so many have expressed emotions bordering on hate for this woman. One of you even described yourself as typically liberal, and then cited a post by another typically liberal person that condemned this woman (perhaps fair enough) and then went so far as to call her tiny children "an octuplet of problems."

Personally, if this woman were my friend, I would have begged her to choose a different course of action. And I question (but do not pretend to know enough about the subject to do more than question) the ethical integrity of the doctor who performed the fertility procedure. But I do not question her right to make that choice. The availability of medical advances is already starkly different among the haves and haves not, and the poorest and least educated among us cannot fairly be held to different accountability standards than the rest of us.

Sometimes human fairness has very little to do with what is "right" or "wrong."

Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are we done crucifying this woman? What's done is done. The right thing to do now is help her and her family. Flame away hens.

FLAME AWAY HA?wHY DON'T YOU VOLUNTEER YOUR TIME AND MONEY AND THEN SEE HOW DEVOTIONAL YOU ARE TO THIS IDIOT

[Anonymous]

She can choose to have as many as she wants....but I don't want my tax dollars going to help her raise them. I want the crater size pothole a block away from my house to be fixed!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She can choose to have as many as she wants....but I don't want my tax dollars going to help her raise them. I want the crater size pothole a block away from my house to be fixed!

What benefits does she qualify for that come from your tax money?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I find so genuinely interesting is how cases like these can become lightning rods so quickly. Sure, it does seem pretty easy to say that the doctors (if not the woman) acted irresponsibly here, but fortunately this kind of thing is just really not common enough to start imposing fertility laws based on one egregious case. I'm a lobbyist for a non-profit, and I can't tell you how many unfortunate and ill-advised laws are created via kneejerk and visceral reactions to a polarizing and egregious but all the same very rare occurances, like this one. Someone earlier raised the issue of the slippery slope and it's wise to pay attention to comments like that. The facts remain, the eggs were hers, she didn't want them destroyed, and she made a choice, presumably along with her doctor. Just because you believe one woman made the wrong choice, do you believe the government should step in and start taking these choices away from women and doctors?

Yes, well, government WILL be stepping in with the money for the care of her special needs kids bc the octuplets will be deaf, dumb, blind, or be physically/mentally disabled.

Anonymous wrote:Aside from the the legal and practical aspects discussed above, I'm surprised that so many have expressed emotions bordering on hate for this woman. One of you even described yourself as typically liberal, and then cited a post by another typically liberal person that condemned this woman (perhaps fair enough) and then went so far as to call her tiny children "an octuplet of problems."

She'll have more than 8 problems, more like 14. Her other children will be neglected and their development stunted since even 3 adults is not enough for the care and attention that developing children b/w the ages of 2-7 need to help in their cognitive & social development.

Anonymous wrote:Personally, if this woman were my friend, I would have begged her to choose a different course of action. And I question (but do not pretend to know enough about the subject to do more than question) the ethical integrity of the doctor who performed the fertility procedure. But I do not question her right to make that choice. The availability of medical advances is already starkly different among the haves and haves not, and the poorest and least educated among us cannot fairly be held to different accountability standards than the rest of us.

Sometimes human fairness has very little to do with what is "right" or "wrong."

Thanks.

If this woman has been on disability and has no job/income, how did she get the money for the treatment? I SURE as hell hope this treatment is NOT paid for by the government & therefore, public funds. Already, the hospital treatment alone is $1.5million - $3 million for the octuplets.

[Anonymous]

I think the Duggards and this woman are selfish and stupid. None of these kids will ever be able to receive the quality of life they deserve. Neither family can afford to send all these children to college or for the kids to participate in extra curricular activities. Can you imagine the costs? And these parents will never have enough energy, time or attention to adequately serve the needs of every single one of their children.

Another point: There are so many orphans across this world...It's incredibly selfish to think your genepool is so wonderful that the world needs so much of you in it. Give me a break. And if someone can't afford to adopt, I'm sure they can't afford to birth and raise a half-dozen kids.

Makes me sick.

[Anonymous]

This woman would never have qualified to be an adoptive parent. When a friend of mine, who is a single, professional woman in her late 30's, looked into adoption, she found that she did not meet their requirements for adoption.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a link to the interview:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/29038814/

She is really wacky. He has had a ton of plastic surgery and it does not look right. This clearly is a sign of additional emotional problems.

She reminds me of Angelina Joile's ugly sister. Maybe she wants to be Angie?

How do you know she had a ton of plastic surgery?

Because you can SEE terrible plastic surgery. When you have good plastic surgery, you cannot even tell the person has had work. Its not so hard. Her nose is a blaring example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a link to the interview:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/29038814/

She is really wacky. He has had a ton of plastic surgery and it does not look right. This clearly is a sign of additional emotional problems.

She reminds me of Angelina Joile's ugly sister. Maybe she wants to be Angie?

How do you know she had a ton of plastic surgery?

Because you can SEE terrible plastic surgery. When you have good plastic surgery, you cannot even tell the person has had work. Its not so hard. Her nose is a blaring example.

The experts at TMZ have the final say!!

http://www.tmz.com/2009/02/06/octuplet-mom-adopts-jolie-lips/

[Anonymous]

It's hard. But, look, right or wrong, the kids should not be made to pay/suffer for the mother's insanity. And, to be clear, I think she is selfish, insane, idiotic, stupid, moronic, etc.

I'm not so without compassion that I would deny these kids the assistance they need. Otherwise, your just setting things up for a lifetime of 14 people on welfare/assistance.

THe woman, however, should be sterilized (only 1/2 kidding).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I find so genuinely interesting is how cases like these can become lightning rods so quickly. Sure, it does seem pretty easy to say that the doctors (if not the woman) acted irresponsibly here, but fortunately this kind of thing is just really not common enough to start imposing fertility laws based on one egregious case. I'm a lobbyist for a non-profit, and I can't tell you how many unfortunate and ill-advised laws are created via kneejerk and visceral reactions to a polarizing and egregious but all the same very rare occurances, like this one. Someone earlier raised the issue of the slippery slope and it's wise to pay attention to comments like that. The facts remain, the eggs were hers, she didn't want them destroyed, and she made a choice, presumably along with her doctor. Just because you believe one woman made the wrong choice, do you believe the government should step in and start taking these choices away from women and doctors?

Yes, well, government WILL be stepping in with the money for the care of her special needs kids bc the octuplets will be deaf, dumb, blind, or be physically/mentally disabled.

Anonymous wrote:Aside from the the legal and practical aspects discussed above, I'm surprised that so many have expressed emotions bordering on hate for this woman. One of you even described yourself as typically liberal, and then cited a post by another typically liberal person that condemned this woman (perhaps fair enough) and then went so far as to call her tiny children "an octuplet of problems."

She'll have more than 8 problems, more like 14. Her other children will be neglected and their development stunted since even 3 adults is not enough for the care and attention that developing children b/w the ages of 2-7 need to help in their cognitive & social development.

Anonymous wrote:Personally, if this woman were my friend, I would have begged her to choose a different course of action. And I question (but do not pretend to know enough about the subject to do more than question) the ethical integrity of the doctor who performed the fertility procedure. But I do not question her right to make that choice. The availability of medical advances is already starkly different among the haves and haves not, and the poorest and least educated among us cannot fairly be held to different accountability standards than the rest of us.

Sometimes human fairness has very little to do with what is "right" or "wrong."

Thanks.

If this woman has been on disability and has no job/income, how did she get the money for the treatment? I SURE as hell hope this treatment is NOT paid for by the government & therefore, public funds. Already, the hospital treatment alone is $1.5million - $3 million for the octuplets.

Wow, you have a lot of hate inside of you. I hope you never need a break from anyone else. Are you quite sure you've never done anything wrong or made the wrong choice? Bad person.

[Anonymous]

She used disability payments to pay for the treatments.