What Schools are Considered 2T?

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Anonymous wrote:I also regarding St Anns DNA. but also can't overlook their college placement, even now.

GCS is a solid school, but also very much a full pay place. They dont have the endowment TTs have. They dont have the college placement of 2Ts like Regis or St Ann's or, if we were adding publics, schools like Bronx Science or Hunter.

I put GCS on the same tier as Beacon and Poly Prep and Berkeley Carroll. I think that's 3T.

And if I wanted to open a can of worms: I'd also put Avenues in this tier. It's a good education with solid college counseling and outcomes. Also pretty much full pay, but it is what it is

If you are going to be very granular and say 2T is just Regis, St. Ann's, and maybe Riverdale, then I would agree that Grace is 3T. Though if also being that granular, I would likely differentiate it from Berkeley Carroll and make that 4T. If you are doing a broader view of 2T then Grace sneaks in.

Agreed that Avenues is an odd duck. Probably agree with you on the tiering. But it draws a different crowd. And I know some people who sent their kid for elementary (particularly those who live downtown for whom it was convenient) and maxed out the language portion then applied out as they felt that that was its primary differentiating factor and the HS was not as good.

Okay, I'll try. I agree that GCS is getting rising in ranks - just 3-4 years ago they'd take anyone who could pay and was tier 4 - but it's not tier 2. I don't have deep insight into all these schools so this is just my take as a person who has two kids in private high schools in nyc, has been through the application process twice as an unhooked family, and follows college placement somewhat. I'm sure there are glaring errors.

(these aren't ranked within tiers)

tier 1
Trinity
Collegiate
Dalton
Spence
Brearley
HM
Chapin

tier 2
St Ann's
Regis
Riverdale
Fieldstone
Marymount
Sacred Heart
Nightingale

tier 3
Loyola
GCS
Packer
Poly
Avenues
Friends Seminary

Tier 4
BFS
BC
Basis
Hewitt
Dwight
Trevor
Calhoun
Hackley
Lycée
UNIS
Xavier/Fordham Prep
Notre Dame/DA/SVF

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I'm the one who has been defending Grace (though I have no direct ties) but I think this is generally really good (and I'm OK with Grace where it is given these groupings). Only minor quibbles. I have boys so don't know the girl's schools well but I don't think all three of Marymount, Sacred Heart and Nightingale are T2 - that is overloading that tier with girls schools and I just don't think that is the case. But I'm not sure which I would drop.

I know Trevor is much debated but I could make a compelling argument for it now being T3. It is basically the weakest T3 or the strongest T4, but I just don't see it being grouped with most of the other T4s.

Not a big CGPS fan and it pains me to say it but it is probably T3.

Agree that Poly is still T3 though on the decline.

I think you also missed Leman which I think everyone would agree is T4.

Nice job - thanks!

Trevor is bottom T2 and top T3 when compared to these schools in any way.

Nope. I'm one of those who defended Trevor vs. Trevor Hater but based on this somewhat limited definition of T2 (which I am OK with), there is no way it is T2.

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Anonymous wrote:I also regarding St Anns DNA. but also can't overlook their college placement, even now.

GCS is a solid school, but also very much a full pay place. They dont have the endowment TTs have. They dont have the college placement of 2Ts like Regis or St Ann's or, if we were adding publics, schools like Bronx Science or Hunter.

I put GCS on the same tier as Beacon and Poly Prep and Berkeley Carroll. I think that's 3T.

And if I wanted to open a can of worms: I'd also put Avenues in this tier. It's a good education with solid college counseling and outcomes. Also pretty much full pay, but it is what it is

If you are going to be very granular and say 2T is just Regis, St. Ann's, and maybe Riverdale, then I would agree that Grace is 3T. Though if also being that granular, I would likely differentiate it from Berkeley Carroll and make that 4T. If you are doing a broader view of 2T then Grace sneaks in.

Agreed that Avenues is an odd duck. Probably agree with you on the tiering. But it draws a different crowd. And I know some people who sent their kid for elementary (particularly those who live downtown for whom it was convenient) and maxed out the language portion then applied out as they felt that that was its primary differentiating factor and the HS was not as good.

Okay, I'll try. I agree that GCS is getting rising in ranks - just 3-4 years ago they'd take anyone who could pay and was tier 4 - but it's not tier 2. I don't have deep insight into all these schools so this is just my take as a person who has two kids in private high schools in nyc, has been through the application process twice as an unhooked family, and follows college placement somewhat. I'm sure there are glaring errors.

(these aren't ranked within tiers)

tier 1
Trinity
Collegiate
Dalton
Spence
Brearley
HM
Chapin

tier 2
St Ann's
Regis
Riverdale
Fieldstone
Marymount
Sacred Heart
Nightingale

tier 3
Loyola
GCS
Packer
Poly
Avenues
Friends Seminary

Tier 4
BFS
BC
Basis
Hewitt
Dwight
Trevor
Calhoun
Hackley
Lycée
UNIS
Xavier/Fordham Prep
Notre Dame/DA/SVF

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I'm the one who has been defending Grace (though I have no direct ties) but I think this is generally really good (and I'm OK with Grace where it is given these groupings). Only minor quibbles. I have boys so don't know the girl's schools well but I don't think all three of Marymount, Sacred Heart and Nightingale are T2 - that is overloading that tier with girls schools and I just don't think that is the case. But I'm not sure which I would drop.

I know Trevor is much debated but I could make a compelling argument for it now being T3. It is basically the weakest T3 or the strongest T4, but I just don't see it being grouped with most of the other T4s.

Not a big CGPS fan and it pains me to say it but it is probably T3.

Agree that Poly is still T3 though on the decline.

I think you also missed Leman which I think everyone would agree is T4.

Nice job - thanks!

Trevor is bottom T2 and top T3 when compared to these schools in any way.

Nope. I'm one of those who defended Trevor vs. Trevor Hater but based on this somewhat limited definition of T2 (which I am OK with), there is no way it is T2.

Crediting. It’s just not at that level.

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Looking at Poly's instagram, this year their results are amazing, more like a T2.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at Poly's instagram, this year their results are amazing, more like a T2.

every single private school has much better results than last year.

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Looking at CGPS IG - I just don't see how it's considered 4T. If it's 4T then the college placement staff needs raises.

from the looks of IG page roughly 55% go to elite/T30 school and probaby another 25% go to T50 school.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at CGPS IG - I just don't see how it's considered 4T. If it's 4T then the college placement staff needs raises.

from the looks of IG page roughly 55% go to elite/T30 school and probaby another 25% go to T50 school.

I think it was omitted then added as 3T. Which is more accurate.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at CGPS IG - I just don't see how it's considered 4T. If it's 4T then the college placement staff needs raises.

from the looks of IG page roughly 55% go to elite/T30 school and probaby another 25% go to T50 school.

I think it was omitted then added as 3T. Which is more accurate.

its very good placement for a school that widely is viewed negatively here.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at CGPS IG - I just don't see how it's considered 4T. If it's 4T then the college placement staff needs raises.

from the looks of IG page roughly 55% go to elite/T30 school and probaby another 25% go to T50 school.

I think t30 are too easy , really have to use t20 and t10 lacs, if not ivies only.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at CGPS IG - I just don't see how it's considered 4T. If it's 4T then the college placement staff needs raises.

from the looks of IG page roughly 55% go to elite/T30 school and probaby another 25% go to T50 school.

I think it was omitted then added as 3T. Which is more accurate.

its very good placement for a school that widely is viewed negatively here.

Part of the reason it is viewed negatively is the types of families there. I know some wonderful people there - don't get my wrong. But I also know a disproportionate number of people who are not my types. And I am not alone. And I am particularly not putting up with that for a non-TT school that has good/very good but not great exmissions.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at CGPS IG - I just don't see how it's considered 4T. If it's 4T then the college placement staff needs raises.

from the looks of IG page roughly 55% go to elite/T30 school and probaby another 25% go to T50 school.

I think it was omitted then added as 3T. Which is more accurate.

its very good placement for a school that widely is viewed negatively here.

Part of the reason it is viewed negatively is the types of families there. I know some wonderful people there - don't get my wrong. But I also know a disproportionate number of people who are not my types. And I am not alone. And I am particularly not putting up with that for a non-TT school that has good/very good but not great exmissions.

This. It’s a flashy crowd. You have to be ok with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at CGPS IG - I just don't see how it's considered 4T. If it's 4T then the college placement staff needs raises.

from the looks of IG page roughly 55% go to elite/T30 school and probaby another 25% go to T50 school.

I think it was omitted then added as 3T. Which is more accurate.

its very good placement for a school that widely is viewed negatively here.

Part of the reason it is viewed negatively is the types of families there. I know some wonderful people there - don't get my wrong. But I also know a disproportionate number of people who are not my types. And I am not alone. And I am particularly not putting up with that for a non-TT school that has good/very good but not great exmissions.

This. It’s a flashy crowd. You have to be ok with that.

Yes. Both the parents, who generally aren't the "act like you've been there before" crowd, as well as the kids, who are often very "fast" in terms of parties, drinking, etc. To their credit, they still manage to get into some pretty good schools, but not my style. And as the poster above noted, this does not apply to everyone there - plenty of normal, nice people.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at CGPS IG - I just don't see how it's considered 4T. If it's 4T then the college placement staff needs raises.

from the looks of IG page roughly 55% go to elite/T30 school and probaby another 25% go to T50 school.

I think t30 are too easy , really have to use t20 and t10 lacs, if not ivies only.

everyone isn't shooting for an Ivy - It might not be appropriate for the DC. Others are happy with a school in the 30-50 range as long as its a good fit.

but others can shoot for the stars if appropriate for the DC. My sense is you are one of the TT/anti-trevor/go to public, give 1mm at graduation, etc posters.
In that case it could be Ivy or bust

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at CGPS IG - I just don't see how it's considered 4T. If it's 4T then the college placement staff needs raises.

from the looks of IG page roughly 55% go to elite/T30 school and probaby another 25% go to T50 school.

I think it was omitted then added as 3T. Which is more accurate.

its very good placement for a school that widely is viewed negatively here.

Part of the reason it is viewed negatively is the types of families there. I know some wonderful people there - don't get my wrong. But I also know a disproportionate number of people who are not my types. And I am not alone. And I am particularly not putting up with that for a non-TT school that has good/very good but not great exmissions.

You can hate the families but that doesn't mean the school sucks. Feel like many can't separate the two.

I would guess Fieldston would be the other end of the political spectrum. someone might hate it politically but acknowledge the good teaching/college matriculation

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at CGPS IG - I just don't see how it's considered 4T. If it's 4T then the college placement staff needs raises.

from the looks of IG page roughly 55% go to elite/T30 school and probaby another 25% go to T50 school.

I think it was omitted then added as 3T. Which is more accurate.

its very good placement for a school that widely is viewed negatively here.

Part of the reason it is viewed negatively is the types of families there. I know some wonderful people there - don't get my wrong. But I also know a disproportionate number of people who are not my types. And I am not alone. And I am particularly not putting up with that for a non-TT school that has good/very good but not great exmissions.

This. It’s a flashy crowd. You have to be ok with that.

Does it really matter past elementary school?

Like in high school - they take i think 30 or 40 new kids. I wouldn't expect those parents to be heavily involved in the school. i could be wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at CGPS IG - I just don't see how it's considered 4T. If it's 4T then the college placement staff needs raises.

from the looks of IG page roughly 55% go to elite/T30 school and probaby another 25% go to T50 school.

I think it was omitted then added as 3T. Which is more accurate.

its very good placement for a school that widely is viewed negatively here.

Part of the reason it is viewed negatively is the types of families there. I know some wonderful people there - don't get my wrong. But I also know a disproportionate number of people who are not my types. And I am not alone. And I am particularly not putting up with that for a non-TT school that has good/very good but not great exmissions.

This. It’s a flashy crowd. You have to be ok with that.

Does it really matter past elementary school?

Like in high school - they take i think 30 or 40 new kids. I wouldn't expect those parents to be heavily involved in the school. i could be wrong.

That's up to you how much it matters. The school has a culture, it's influenced by these families, and the administration is perfectly fine with it. That kind of in-your-face wealth makes some people uncomfortable.