Child critically hurt after ATV driver runs him down, flees in Northwest DC

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Anonymous wrote:If a vehicle is large and fast enough to cause this much damage, why aren’t they required to have insurance? Motorcyclists need insurance, no?

Anything with a motor should require license, registration and insurance. E-bikes are basically the perfect getaway vehicles for criminals.

Certain minorities don't have access to licenses.

Which minorities?

Many minorities, particularly African Americans and Hispanics, face significant barriers to obtaining government-issued IDs. Studies show that approximately 25% of African Americans and 27% of Hispanic adults do not have a driver’s license with their current name and/or address.

https://papersplease.org/wp/2024/06/07/who-lacks-id-in-america-today/

You people are why Trump was elected. Also, these numbers are complete bullshit.

No, stupid, shortsighted, and cruel dummies are why Trump was elected. And, while those numbers are complete bullshit, you should know that you're responding to a very obvious troll.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jeanine Pirro has more to say about this than our curiously silent mayoral candidates.

https://wjla.com/news/local/dc-pirro-jeanine-washington-atv-hit-run-child-dirt-bikes-injuries-bike-lane-critical-arrest-alford-weapon-vehicle-attorney-general-local-federal-weekend-boys-juveniles-adults-crime-metropolitan

Pipe down MAGA.

Seriously where are the mayoral candidates on this? If this child, who has bleeding in the brain and a spinal injury, had been hit by a car, they'd be up in arms.

It's also strange how silent the car haters/WABA crowd is. These kids were on bikes, in a bike lane when they were run over.

It's simple. The perpetrator was of the wrong demographic for the WABA/DSA types to care about it.

I think this is directionally correct but you're missing a key component. That demographic is able to rouse the WABA/DSA types to action when their negligence and willful disregard for the law manifests when they're behind the wheel of a car.

I think they're unable to this time around because of the importance of dirtbikes and ATVs to the, uh, "culture" of a that certain segment of DC residents. Anything pertaining to the "culture" of longtime residents is a third rail for them that they dare not touch, lest they expose themselves to accusations of colonization and gentrification.

There's a segment of white liberals who are afraid to criticize someone who is black for anything at all, including running over children with illegal ATVs. They tend to support Janeese Lewis George who opposes anything that results in a police officer arresting someone who happens to be black, regardless of what they did. That's why they're all silent about this completely horrendous incident.

And there’s also something virtuous about standing up for black criminals than victims, even if they are also black.

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I will never understand how the pro-criminal advocacy is so much stronger than the pro-victim. Never.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If a vehicle is large and fast enough to cause this much damage, why aren’t they required to have insurance? Motorcyclists need insurance, no?

Anything with a motor should require license, registration and insurance. E-bikes are basically the perfect getaway vehicles for criminals.

Certain minorities don't have access to licenses.

Which minorities?

Many minorities, particularly African Americans and Hispanics, face significant barriers to obtaining government-issued IDs. Studies show that approximately 25% of African Americans and 27% of Hispanic adults do not have a driver’s license with their current name and/or address.

https://papersplease.org/wp/2024/06/07/who-lacks-id-in-america-today/

You people are why Trump was elected. Also, these numbers are complete bullshit.

No, stupid, shortsighted, and cruel dummies are why Trump was elected. And, while those numbers are complete bullshit, you should know that you're responding to a very obvious troll.

You might think I am trolling but those are the numbers I hear about every time we talk about voter id, or doing anything tthat might require id.

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Anonymous wrote:Related- I'm in a VA suburb near a golf course and my friends have a golf cart. Their teenaged daughter got a ticket for driving the golf cart on their neighborhood street (the one with houses, not a 45mph street). She was actually coming back from the golf course, but off the trail since she was driving another neighbor home.

In DC I never saw an ATV get a ticket. And I'm sure we can all agree that golf carts are much less dangerous than ATVs. They can't get as fast, and they definitely aren't doing wheelies. They also don't have golf cart gangs boxing in cars on the highway. DC is just wild with what laws they enforce and which they don't.

She got a ticket because she actually pulled over and a golf cart can’t outrun a police vehicle anyways. Police can’t initiate a high speed chase through the middle of a city because it is against department policy. A police pursuit through a city is not the same as your suburb.

Well obviously she got a ticket because it was easy, but also because Virginia doesn't FAFO like DC does. I don't think it was wrong she got a ticket if that was the law. In DC only minor crimes accidentally committed by otherwise law abiding citizens get tickets. Major crimes like shoplifting, ATVs, armed car jackings don't get anything.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a vehicle is large and fast enough to cause this much damage, why aren’t they required to have insurance? Motorcyclists need insurance, no?

Anything with a motor should require license, registration and insurance. E-bikes are basically the perfect getaway vehicles for criminals.

Certain minorities don't have access to licenses.

Which minorities?

Many minorities, particularly African Americans and Hispanics, face significant barriers to obtaining government-issued IDs. Studies show that approximately 25% of African Americans and 27% of Hispanic adults do not have a driver’s license with their current name and/or address.

https://papersplease.org/wp/2024/06/07/who-lacks-id-in-america-today/

You people are why Trump was elected. Also, these numbers are complete bullshit.

No, stupid, shortsighted, and cruel dummies are why Trump was elected. And, while those numbers are complete bullshit, you should know that you're responding to a very obvious troll.

You might think I am trolling but those are the numbers I hear about every time we talk about voter id, or doing anything tthat might require id.

NP. I think the issue might be that they move too often. In that case, a passport might be what they need as an ID.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a vehicle is large and fast enough to cause this much damage, why aren’t they required to have insurance? Motorcyclists need insurance, no?

Anything with a motor should require license, registration and insurance. E-bikes are basically the perfect getaway vehicles for criminals.

Certain minorities don't have access to licenses.

Which minorities?

Many minorities, particularly African Americans and Hispanics, face significant barriers to obtaining government-issued IDs. Studies show that approximately 25% of African Americans and 27% of Hispanic adults do not have a driver’s license with their current name and/or address.

https://papersplease.org/wp/2024/06/07/who-lacks-id-in-america-today/

You people are why Trump was elected. Also, these numbers are complete bullshit.

No, stupid, shortsighted, and cruel dummies are why Trump was elected. And, while those numbers are complete bullshit, you should know that you're responding to a very obvious troll.

You might think I am trolling but those are the numbers I hear about every time we talk about voter id, or doing anything tthat might require id.

You seem to be unaware that states and DC issue limited purpose (non-driver's license) photo IDs. Your own source shows that only 1% of adults lack a government-issued photo ID. There is no issue with access here.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a vehicle is large and fast enough to cause this much damage, why aren’t they required to have insurance? Motorcyclists need insurance, no?

Anything with a motor should require license, registration and insurance. E-bikes are basically the perfect getaway vehicles for criminals.

Certain minorities don't have access to licenses.

Which minorities?

Many minorities, particularly African Americans and Hispanics, face significant barriers to obtaining government-issued IDs. Studies show that approximately 25% of African Americans and 27% of Hispanic adults do not have a driver’s license with their current name and/or address.

https://papersplease.org/wp/2024/06/07/who-lacks-id-in-america-today/

You people are why Trump was elected. Also, these numbers are complete bullshit.

No, stupid, shortsighted, and cruel dummies are why Trump was elected. And, while those numbers are complete bullshit, you should know that you're responding to a very obvious troll.

You might think I am trolling but those are the numbers I hear about every time we talk about voter id, or doing anything tthat might require id.

NP. I think the issue might be that they move too often. In that case, a passport might be what they need as an ID.

Now that's world class trolling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a vehicle is large and fast enough to cause this much damage, why aren’t they required to have insurance? Motorcyclists need insurance, no?

Anything with a motor should require license, registration and insurance. E-bikes are basically the perfect getaway vehicles for criminals.

Certain minorities don't have access to licenses.

Which minorities?

Many minorities, particularly African Americans and Hispanics, face significant barriers to obtaining government-issued IDs. Studies show that approximately 25% of African Americans and 27% of Hispanic adults do not have a driver’s license [/b]with their current name and/or address[b].

https://papersplease.org/wp/2024/06/07/who-lacks-id-in-america-today/

I’m going to take every statistic from this website with a grain of salt because they’re an agenda driven organization.

Addressing what you quoted, that quote leads me to believe that they have proper identification, but it’s not current. They have the means to obtain one. They just haven’t updated it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Blows my mind that children on bikes in bike lanes were run over, and the WABA/cycling crowd has nothing to say.

This is like when the NRA is silent when the police kill a black man merely because they were spooked by the presence of his 100 percent legal firearm.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a vehicle is large and fast enough to cause this much damage, why aren’t they required to have insurance? Motorcyclists need insurance, no?

Anything with a motor should require license, registration and insurance. E-bikes are basically the perfect getaway vehicles for criminals.

Certain minorities don't have access to licenses.

Which minorities?

Many minorities, particularly African Americans and Hispanics, face significant barriers to obtaining government-issued IDs. Studies show that approximately 25% of African Americans and 27% of Hispanic adults do not have a driver’s license [/b]with their current name and/or address[b].

https://papersplease.org/wp/2024/06/07/who-lacks-id-in-america-today/

I’m going to take every statistic from this website with a grain of salt because they’re an agenda driven organization.

Addressing what you quoted, that quote leads me to believe that they have proper identification, but it’s not current. They have the means to obtain one. They just haven’t updated it.

If your identification isn't current, it's not proper.

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Anonymous wrote:Blame this on our stupid government. People have been asking that they do something about the ATVS for years. They've done nothing.

This. There is actually a great documentary re this in Baltimore called 12 o'clock boys from 2013. In it it is discussed that once when police tried to stop a meet up, it ended in a police chase and a kid getting killed. So after that the police stopped trying to stop them. There is a long history with this and it is really sad a kid got hurt.

I think 12 o'clock boys is on Showtime. A 12 o'clock boy means the driver of the dirt bike or ATV can ride it completely vertical with the front wheels in the air so it looks like the 12 o'clock hands of a clock. This has been in the culture for decades, first in Baltimore then it made its way in the DMV in the 2010s. The documentary really shows you the mindset of the drivers, they equate it to freedom, expression, being cool, counter culture, and aren't afraid of getting caught/going to jail/getting hurt. One kid even says something like "well I didn't join a gang so instead I am a 12 o'clock boy". Baltimore didn't know what to do, because they already were criticized for overpolicing and had a very poor relationship with the public but they also didn't want anyone to get hurt. They didn't seem to worried about the lawlessness or the traffic issues. They tried to get the kids to just do it on Sundays or something like that and then there was a push for the city to build an ATV park so they could ride their dirt bikes and ATVs there instead of in the street.

The documentary is wild, I think it won a bunch of awards. Anyway, it is a fascinating look into this culture and mindset. It is not surprising that the government/police STILL don't know what to do, but none of them can claim "well we didn't know this would happen" because this was 2013, meaning it was filmed a few years before so there has been at least 15 years of this problem.

trailer here: https://youtu.be/gOMQY6k16TU?si=3iDX5RrLe33C_VMa

This is all stupid. If a person driving a car had run over two kids, there would be no end to the outrage. But because it's someone on an ATV, we're powerless? Why are ATV's even legal to own in this city? No one needs an ATV is one of the most densely populated cities in the Western hemisphere.

It's politics. JLG goes to the scene of an accident when a child is hit by a car. When they're hit by an ATV? Nothing.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNI2uupBmF4/

She is the worst

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jeanine Pirro has more to say about this than our curiously silent mayoral candidates.

https://wjla.com/news/local/dc-pirro-jeanine-washington-atv-hit-run-child-dirt-bikes-injuries-bike-lane-critical-arrest-alford-weapon-vehicle-attorney-general-local-federal-weekend-boys-juveniles-adults-crime-metropolitan

Pipe down MAGA.

Seriously where are the mayoral candidates on this? If this child, who has bleeding in the brain and a spinal injury, had been hit by a car, they'd be up in arms.

It's also strange how silent the car haters/WABA crowd is. These kids were on bikes, in a bike lane when they were run over.

Seriously, what is the deal with that?!? The bike lobby is the most reliably strident, annoying, and unapologetically bike-safety-focused advocates going and this hit and run involved kids of all things. Have they really drunk so much of the liberal culture kool aide that they are going to go full hypocrites on safety?

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I think the bike lobby isn't truly about anything safety related, but instead principally exists to manifest hatred of cars and to make life as difficult as possible for car drivers. So I think they don't care about this story because it doesn't do anything to advance their anti-car efforts.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the bike lobby isn't truly about anything safety related, but instead principally exists to manifest hatred of cars and to make life as difficult as possible for car drivers. So I think they don't care about this story because it doesn't do anything to advance their anti-car efforts.

The Greater Greater Washington is cyclists' Bible, and this is what is says about illegal ATVS on city streets:

"Dirt bikes and all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) are embraced by some in the Black community as a culture and form of expression, despite laws that forbid their use on all public roadways, sidewalks, and trails.

“Most of the bikers…communicate that riding their bikes is a source of freedom for them. It’s a way for them to address their mental health issues. It’s a way for them to de-stress."

https://ggwash.org/view/100595/navigating-the...aw-enforcement-in-dc

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Anonymous wrote:I think the bike lobby isn't truly about anything safety related, but instead principally exists to manifest hatred of cars and to make life as difficult as possible for car drivers. So I think they don't care about this story because it doesn't do anything to advance their anti-car efforts.

The Greater Greater Washington is cyclists' Bible, and this is what is says about illegal ATVS on city streets:

"Dirt bikes and all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) are embraced by some in the Black community as a culture and form of expression, despite laws that forbid their use on all public roadways, sidewalks, and trails.

“Most of the bikers…communicate that riding their bikes is a source of freedom for them. It’s a way for them to address their mental health issues. It’s a way for them to de-stress."

https://ggwash.org/view/100595/navigating-the...aw-enforcement-in-dc

If it doesn't have four or more wheels, I guess it's practically a bicycle according to GGWash.