Child critically hurt after ATV driver runs him down, flees in Northwest DC

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Anonymous wrote:Jeanine Pirro has more to say about this than our curiously silent mayoral candidates.

https://wjla.com/news/local/dc-pirro-jeanine-washington-atv-hit-run-child-dirt-bikes-injuries-bike-lane-critical-arrest-alford-weapon-vehicle-attorney-general-local-federal-weekend-boys-juveniles-adults-crime-metropolitan

Pipe down MAGA.

Seriously where are the mayoral candidates on this? If this child, who has bleeding in the brain and a spinal injury, had been hit by a car, they'd be up in arms.

It's also strange how silent the car haters/WABA crowd is. These kids were on bikes, in a bike lane when they were run over.

Seriously, what is the deal with that?!? The bike lobby is the most reliably strident, annoying, and unapologetically bike-safety-focused advocates going and this hit and run involved kids of all things. Have they really drunk so much of the liberal culture kool aide that they are going to go full hypocrites on safety?

This doesn't advance their anti-car agenda so they don't care if kids on bikes get run over.

Are you a complete moron or do you just play one on here?

Drawing conclusions about the "bike lobby" - if ever there were a bogeyman! - from an out-of-context quote from someone interviewed for an article written by a citizen journalist unaffiliated with an organization that publishes content submitted by people who subscribe to a wide range of viewpoints on issues pertaining to urban planning in the Washington metro region is peak idiocy, even for this forum.

Please point to an instance where bicyclists have expressed outrage about these children on bikes being run over by ATVS because their silence has been deafening, and telling.

I'm a bicyclist and I'm outraged. Happy now? Or would you like to move the goalposts?

Thanks, random person on the Internet, but I think people were talking about groups like WABA which has a very active social media presence, but curiously has nothing to say about this.

Actually, you’re right that WABA doesn’t draw anywhere near enough attention to the dangers posed by maniacal drivers (of all manner of vehicles) to bicyclists. A while back, I was looking for information on crashes in DC that had killed bicyclists and there was nothing on WABA’s webpage or social media outlets about incidents like the death of Sarah Langenkamp or others. So, yes, I agree that WABA (and similar groups) could and should be doing a much better job of drawing attention to this heinous incidents, which call attention to the need for much stricter traffic enforcement and infrastructure to protect vulnerable road users.

WABA pounces on every single incident involving a car. It is almost gleeful...

I had a good chuckle at this one, from this guy in the Post.

“A 4,000-pound machine driven repeatedly at reckless speed by someone who has shown that they will not stop is absolutely no different from someone with an AK-47,” Karthik Balasubramanian of the group D.C. Families for Safe Streets said at a recent public hearing. “If there was such a person who was roaming the District with an AK-47 randomly shooting … we would mobilize all available resources to separate that person from their weapon and let them get the help that they need. Why are we not doing the same with the dangerous drivers who are abusing their own weapons?”

I don’t understand what is driving your mirth. Does the incident that is the subject of this thread - which almost everyone posting here seems outraged about and which many are outraged that others are not publicly expressing their outrage - not prove his point? Or should we shrug our shoulders that a kid was nearly killed because it was an “accident”?

The car haters liken a speeding drivers to someone shooting up the city with an automatic weapon, which is obviously super ridiculous. But when children are run over by people on ATVs, they say absolutely nothing. It shows how hypocritical the bike lobby is. They only care about safety to the extent it furthers their political agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:Jeanine Pirro has more to say about this than our curiously silent mayoral candidates.

https://wjla.com/news/local/dc-pirro-jeanine-washington-atv-hit-run-child-dirt-bikes-injuries-bike-lane-critical-arrest-alford-weapon-vehicle-attorney-general-local-federal-weekend-boys-juveniles-adults-crime-metropolitan

Pipe down MAGA.

Seriously where are the mayoral candidates on this? If this child, who has bleeding in the brain and a spinal injury, had been hit by a car, they'd be up in arms.

It's also strange how silent the car haters/WABA crowd is. These kids were on bikes, in a bike lane when they were run over.

Seriously, what is the deal with that?!? The bike lobby is the most reliably strident, annoying, and unapologetically bike-safety-focused advocates going and this hit and run involved kids of all things. Have they really drunk so much of the liberal culture kool aide that they are going to go full hypocrites on safety?

This doesn't advance their anti-car agenda so they don't care if kids on bikes get run over.

Are you a complete moron or do you just play one on here?

Drawing conclusions about the "bike lobby" - if ever there were a bogeyman! - from an out-of-context quote from someone interviewed for an article written by a citizen journalist unaffiliated with an organization that publishes content submitted by people who subscribe to a wide range of viewpoints on issues pertaining to urban planning in the Washington metro region is peak idiocy, even for this forum.

Please point to an instance where bicyclists have expressed outrage about these children on bikes being run over by ATVS because their silence has been deafening, and telling.

I'm a bicyclist and I'm outraged. Happy now? Or would you like to move the goalposts?

Thanks, random person on the Internet, but I think people were talking about groups like WABA which has a very active social media presence, but curiously has nothing to say about this.

Actually, you’re right that WABA doesn’t draw anywhere near enough attention to the dangers posed by maniacal drivers (of all manner of vehicles) to bicyclists. A while back, I was looking for information on crashes in DC that had killed bicyclists and there was nothing on WABA’s webpage or social media outlets about incidents like the death of Sarah Langenkamp or others. So, yes, I agree that WABA (and similar groups) could and should be doing a much better job of drawing attention to this heinous incidents, which call attention to the need for much stricter traffic enforcement and infrastructure to protect vulnerable road users.

WABA pounces on every single incident involving a car. It is almost gleeful...

I had a good chuckle at this one, from this guy in the Post.

“A 4,000-pound machine driven repeatedly at reckless speed by someone who has shown that they will not stop is absolutely no different from someone with an AK-47,” Karthik Balasubramanian of the group D.C. Families for Safe Streets said at a recent public hearing. “If there was such a person who was roaming the District with an AK-47 randomly shooting … we would mobilize all available resources to separate that person from their weapon and let them get the help that they need. Why are we not doing the same with the dangerous drivers who are abusing their own weapons?”

I don’t understand what is driving your mirth. Does the incident that is the subject of this thread - which almost everyone posting here seems outraged about and which many are outraged that others are not publicly expressing their outrage - not prove his point? Or should we shrug our shoulders that a kid was nearly killed because it was an “accident”?

The car haters liken a speeding drivers to someone shooting up the city with an automatic weapon, which is obviously super ridiculous. But when children are run over by people on ATVs, they say absolutely nothing. It shows how hypocritical the bike lobby is. They only care about safety to the extent it furthers their political agenda.

You are being very obtuse.

The person who quoted said nothing about the general class of “speeding drivers”. Reckless speed and running stop signs / red lights is extremely dangerous, which is why police take a very dim view of such driving in almost every jurisdiction that is not DC.

The person you quoted is not a member of the “bike lobby”, whatever that is. They represent a group that promotes road safety for all users.

And the quote is from a public hearing on DDOT. Has the same person appeared at any such hearings since the incident occurred?

Why do you need other people to lay all this out for you?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeanine Pirro has more to say about this than our curiously silent mayoral candidates.

https://wjla.com/news/local/dc-pirro-jeanine-washington-atv-hit-run-child-dirt-bikes-injuries-bike-lane-critical-arrest-alford-weapon-vehicle-attorney-general-local-federal-weekend-boys-juveniles-adults-crime-metropolitan

Pipe down MAGA.

Seriously where are the mayoral candidates on this? If this child, who has bleeding in the brain and a spinal injury, had been hit by a car, they'd be up in arms.

It's also strange how silent the car haters/WABA crowd is. These kids were on bikes, in a bike lane when they were run over.

Seriously, what is the deal with that?!? The bike lobby is the most reliably strident, annoying, and unapologetically bike-safety-focused advocates going and this hit and run involved kids of all things. Have they really drunk so much of the liberal culture kool aide that they are going to go full hypocrites on safety?

This doesn't advance their anti-car agenda so they don't care if kids on bikes get run over.

Are you a complete moron or do you just play one on here?

Drawing conclusions about the "bike lobby" - if ever there were a bogeyman! - from an out-of-context quote from someone interviewed for an article written by a citizen journalist unaffiliated with an organization that publishes content submitted by people who subscribe to a wide range of viewpoints on issues pertaining to urban planning in the Washington metro region is peak idiocy, even for this forum.

Please point to an instance where bicyclists have expressed outrage about these children on bikes being run over by ATVS because their silence has been deafening, and telling.

I'm a bicyclist and I'm outraged. Happy now? Or would you like to move the goalposts?

Thanks, random person on the Internet, but I think people were talking about groups like WABA which has a very active social media presence, but curiously has nothing to say about this.

Actually, you’re right that WABA doesn’t draw anywhere near enough attention to the dangers posed by maniacal drivers (of all manner of vehicles) to bicyclists. A while back, I was looking for information on crashes in DC that had killed bicyclists and there was nothing on WABA’s webpage or social media outlets about incidents like the death of Sarah Langenkamp or others. So, yes, I agree that WABA (and similar groups) could and should be doing a much better job of drawing attention to this heinous incidents, which call attention to the need for much stricter traffic enforcement and infrastructure to protect vulnerable road users.

Negative press discourages cycling. That's not the attention they want. WABA even thinks helmets laws might deter cycling, so they can't support them. Basic safety regulations are a hurdle to far for WABA.

I suspect that there is something to this, but it’s a dumb strategy. People see how some drivers behave on city streets and wouldn’t dream of bicycling amongst them. Wider adoption of bicycling will only happen once it is safer to do so.