Anti aging and pedophilic patriarchy

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Anonymous wrote:Bikini wax is 100% related to this.

No, I do this because I don't want hairs picking out of my swimsuit. I like being clean and fresh. But you do you.

lol yeah but why does your swimsuit cover such little of your body that hairs inevitably peek out?

DP because we don't live under Taliban rule and I can wear whatever the eff I want. Any other stupid questions?

You are not hearing the questions.

Why are bathing suits getting smaller and smaller such that you need to shave everything off? Who designed these things? Did you come up with the design of these skimpy bathing suits on your own? No, you didn't. You succumbed to the media pushing the itty bitty bikini and now have to shave everything off to wear it.

Do you not have a choice to wear one that covers your entire body if you so desire? No one is forcing you to put a tiny bikini on.

I see women wearing shorts and even burkinis at the pool all the time. They come with their children and husbands. I'm assuming that they also have access to all of the same media that you have access to and just choose not to participate in these trends.

Yah spot on. My daughter's circle of friends are very pretty and athletic like her, comfortable in their bodies. They typically wear shorts and rash guards to the lake or beach. Bathing suits are not getting smaller and smaller. This gen is more likely to wear what I described than the last gen. Just like Germany's olympic gymnastics team now wears athletic wear that is more covering.

Stop screaming into the void. You already have the right to wear modest clothing.

Exactly. I’ll save my outrage for things that actually matter, like women dying because they can’t get an abortion.

Sure, that's way more important. So, why post on this thread then?

Because I can.

And so can others who have opinions on what women do to their bodies based on what they see in the media.

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Anonymous wrote:Bikini wax is 100% related to this.

No, I do this because I don't want hairs picking out of my swimsuit. I like being clean and fresh. But you do you.

lol yeah but why does your swimsuit cover such little of your body that hairs inevitably peek out?

DP because we don't live under Taliban rule and I can wear whatever the eff I want. Any other stupid questions?

You are not hearing the questions.

Why are bathing suits getting smaller and smaller such that you need to shave everything off? Who designed these things? Did you come up with the design of these skimpy bathing suits on your own? No, you didn't. You succumbed to the media pushing the itty bitty bikini and now have to shave everything off to wear it.

Do you not have a choice to wear one that covers your entire body if you so desire? No one is forcing you to put a tiny bikini on.

I see women wearing shorts and even burkinis at the pool all the time. They come with their children and husbands. I'm assuming that they also have access to all of the same media that you have access to and just choose not to participate in these trends.

Yah spot on. My daughter's circle of friends are very pretty and athletic like her, comfortable in their bodies. They typically wear shorts and rash guards to the lake or beach. Bathing suits are not getting smaller and smaller. This gen is more likely to wear what I described than the last gen. Just like Germany's olympic gymnastics team now wears athletic wear that is more covering.

Stop screaming into the void. You already have the right to wear modest clothing.

Exactly. I’ll save my outrage for things that actually matter, like women dying because they can’t get an abortion.

This is some weird whataboutism. I can comment on the patriarchal nature of women's grooming standards and also fight for a woman's right to an abortion and it really does not require any extra effort on my part. Those issues are linked, anyway, because they are all about who decides what women are allowed to do with their bodies and how society treats women who do "unapproved" things with their bodies.

Other than not being able to go nude in public, what other laws do have that limit your personal grooming or attire choices?

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Anonymous wrote:Bikini wax is 100% related to this.

No, I do this because I don't want hairs picking out of my swimsuit. I like being clean and fresh. But you do you.

lol yeah but why does your swimsuit cover such little of your body that hairs inevitably peek out?

DP because we don't live under Taliban rule and I can wear whatever the eff I want. Any other stupid questions?

You are not hearing the questions.

Why are bathing suits getting smaller and smaller such that you need to shave everything off? Who designed these things? Did you come up with the design of these skimpy bathing suits on your own? No, you didn't. You succumbed to the media pushing the itty bitty bikini and now have to shave everything off to wear it.

Do you not have a choice to wear one that covers your entire body if you so desire? No one is forcing you to put a tiny bikini on.

I see women wearing shorts and even burkinis at the pool all the time. They come with their children and husbands. I'm assuming that they also have access to all of the same media that you have access to and just choose not to participate in these trends.

Yah spot on. My daughter's circle of friends are very pretty and athletic like her, comfortable in their bodies. They typically wear shorts and rash guards to the lake or beach. Bathing suits are not getting smaller and smaller. This gen is more likely to wear what I described than the last gen. Just like Germany's olympic gymnastics team now wears athletic wear that is more covering.

Stop screaming into the void. You already have the right to wear modest clothing.

Exactly. I’ll save my outrage for things that actually matter, like women dying because they can’t get an abortion.

This is some weird whataboutism. I can comment on the patriarchal nature of women's grooming standards and also fight for a woman's right to an abortion and it really does not require any extra effort on my part. Those issues are linked, anyway, because they are all about who decides what women are allowed to do with their bodies and how society treats women who do "unapproved" things with their bodies.

Yes, today, both issues are being impacted by men.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the anti-hair people also against eyebrow grooming and facial hair removal?

You’re so dense. You’re being asked to consider why. Stop being defensive and look at the bigger picture. Look at what we are doing to our children.

Simple question: are you suggesting we should keep our unibrows, mustaches, and chin hairs?

DP but I think people are just suggesting we start asking WHY we do some of this stuff, who it is for, and who benefits.

Today I had an appointment for my ortho, where I had to do some practical physical tests, so I wore workout clothes. It's warm today, so I wanted short sleeves, but I discovered I only had long sleeve or tank workout tops that were clean. The thing about a tank is that when I do these tests at my ortho, I have to reach above my head and stretch my arms out, and people can see my underarms. Now, I shave my underarms. But I just feel sort of uncomfortable about how they look. I have dark hair and pale skin, so even with shaving, there's a little shadow there. If I were at the gym I'd wouldn't worry about it, but I was thinking about being in an office with people looking at my body and watching me do these tests, and I felt uncomfortable about it. I wound up wearing the tank but then wearing a hoody over it, so that I could keep the hoody on for the tests, even though honestly I felt hot in the hoody.

Maybe you never worry about stuff like that, but reread this thread. Hair on women is "masculine", "untidy", "gross." Hairy and beefy thrown around as insults (along with lesbian). Women should be "clean" and "tidy" which means hairless except on their heads.

You can say I'm neurotic for feeling bad about how my *shaved* armpits look due to the fact that I'm a human being who has hair follicles in my armpit, but I look at this conversation and am like "yup, that's exactly why I felt weird about it and didn't want people to see it."

It's worth talking about. I'm not going to stop shaving my armpits (obviously! that would only make me feel worse and more self conscious) but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the way these expectations around how women's bodies are "supposed" to look (which is so different from how our bodies look naturally, especially as we age) can be a prison for us.

Why can't it just be a personal choice? Men choose whether to shave their faces, just as I choose to get my eyebrows, mustache, and chin hairs threaded. It's how I like to groom myself, much like my husband prefers to shave his face every morning.

? the PP is saying it's a personal choice. This thread is just discussing WHY the standard of beauty is set such that women feel thy need to wax their pubes off (which sounds incredibly painful).

Men groom, too, though.

But men are not told they are unclean or gross if they choose not to fully remove all their body and facial hair. A man may choose to shave or not, but it's an aesthetic choice and people are accepting either way. Men with beards are not given dirty looks or called gross. A woman who doesn't shave her armpits would get both.

Men go to the pool with hairy legs and arms and backs and chests, and no one says anything. They may even have hair on their stomachs or lower back that is likely an extension of pubic hair, and people would not really care because they are men and they are allowed to have body hair. A woman at the pool with visible leg hair or back hair, or some visible pubic hair, would be made fun of and avoided.

It's not the same. A lot of grooming is not a true choice for women unless they are willing to accept a limited social role or cover themselves up. Many women only shave and wax out of fear of judgement or to be socially acceptable, and not because it's a genuine choice they are making for personal preference only.

I've run into a few young women in their twenties who don't shave their body hair. They seem to intentionally wear revealing clothing to let everyone see where they stand. Fine.

I think those are the women who are flouting convention and saying a big F U to patriarchal views on beauty.

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Anonymous wrote:Bikini wax is 100% related to this.

No, I do this because I don't want hairs picking out of my swimsuit. I like being clean and fresh. But you do you.

lol yeah but why does your swimsuit cover such little of your body that hairs inevitably peek out?

DP because we don't live under Taliban rule and I can wear whatever the eff I want. Any other stupid questions?

You are not hearing the questions.

Why are bathing suits getting smaller and smaller such that you need to shave everything off? Who designed these things? Did you come up with the design of these skimpy bathing suits on your own? No, you didn't. You succumbed to the media pushing the itty bitty bikini and now have to shave everything off to wear it.

Do you not have a choice to wear one that covers your entire body if you so desire? No one is forcing you to put a tiny bikini on.

I see women wearing shorts and even burkinis at the pool all the time. They come with their children and husbands. I'm assuming that they also have access to all of the same media that you have access to and just choose not to participate in these trends.

Yah spot on. My daughter's circle of friends are very pretty and athletic like her, comfortable in their bodies. They typically wear shorts and rash guards to the lake or beach. Bathing suits are not getting smaller and smaller. This gen is more likely to wear what I described than the last gen. Just like Germany's olympic gymnastics team now wears athletic wear that is more covering.

Stop screaming into the void. You already have the right to wear modest clothing.

Exactly. I’ll save my outrage for things that actually matter, like women dying because they can’t get an abortion.

This is some weird whataboutism. I can comment on the patriarchal nature of women's grooming standards and also fight for a woman's right to an abortion and it really does not require any extra effort on my part. Those issues are linked, anyway, because they are all about who decides what women are allowed to do with their bodies and how society treats women who do "unapproved" things with their bodies.

Other than not being able to go nude in public, what other laws do have that limit your personal grooming or attire choices?

Some misogyny is coded into law, like anti-abortion laws.

Some misogyny is cultural, like when women who have abortions are labeled as irresponsible or selfish, even when aboriton is legal. OR when women who don't conform to certain grooming standards are labeled dirty or unclean.

I care about both kinds of misogyny and can see how they are connected and feed into one another.

Did some of you never get even like a one day crash course in feminist thought? This is some 101 stuff here.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the anti-hair people also against eyebrow grooming and facial hair removal?

You’re so dense. You’re being asked to consider why. Stop being defensive and look at the bigger picture. Look at what we are doing to our children.

Simple question: are you suggesting we should keep our unibrows, mustaches, and chin hairs?

DP but I think people are just suggesting we start asking WHY we do some of this stuff, who it is for, and who benefits.

Today I had an appointment for my ortho, where I had to do some practical physical tests, so I wore workout clothes. It's warm today, so I wanted short sleeves, but I discovered I only had long sleeve or tank workout tops that were clean. The thing about a tank is that when I do these tests at my ortho, I have to reach above my head and stretch my arms out, and people can see my underarms. Now, I shave my underarms. But I just feel sort of uncomfortable about how they look. I have dark hair and pale skin, so even with shaving, there's a little shadow there. If I were at the gym I'd wouldn't worry about it, but I was thinking about being in an office with people looking at my body and watching me do these tests, and I felt uncomfortable about it. I wound up wearing the tank but then wearing a hoody over it, so that I could keep the hoody on for the tests, even though honestly I felt hot in the hoody.

Maybe you never worry about stuff like that, but reread this thread. Hair on women is "masculine", "untidy", "gross." Hairy and beefy thrown around as insults (along with lesbian). Women should be "clean" and "tidy" which means hairless except on their heads.

You can say I'm neurotic for feeling bad about how my *shaved* armpits look due to the fact that I'm a human being who has hair follicles in my armpit, but I look at this conversation and am like "yup, that's exactly why I felt weird about it and didn't want people to see it."

It's worth talking about. I'm not going to stop shaving my armpits (obviously! that would only make me feel worse and more self conscious) but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the way these expectations around how women's bodies are "supposed" to look (which is so different from how our bodies look naturally, especially as we age) can be a prison for us.

Why can't it just be a personal choice? Men choose whether to shave their faces, just as I choose to get my eyebrows, mustache, and chin hairs threaded. It's how I like to groom myself, much like my husband prefers to shave his face every morning.

? the PP is saying it's a personal choice. This thread is just discussing WHY the standard of beauty is set such that women feel thy need to wax their pubes off (which sounds incredibly painful).

Men groom, too, though.

But men are not told they are unclean or gross if they choose not to fully remove all their body and facial hair. A man may choose to shave or not, but it's an aesthetic choice and people are accepting either way. Men with beards are not given dirty looks or called gross. A woman who doesn't shave her armpits would get both.

Men go to the pool with hairy legs and arms and backs and chests, and no one says anything. They may even have hair on their stomachs or lower back that is likely an extension of pubic hair, and people would not really care because they are men and they are allowed to have body hair. A woman at the pool with visible leg hair or back hair, or some visible pubic hair, would be made fun of and avoided.

It's not the same. A lot of grooming is not a true choice for women unless they are willing to accept a limited social role or cover themselves up. Many women only shave and wax out of fear of judgement or to be socially acceptable, and not because it's a genuine choice they are making for personal preference only.

I've run into a few young women in their twenties who don't shave their body hair. They seem to intentionally wear revealing clothing to let everyone see where they stand. Fine.

Sure, but they are young. Do you see a lot of older women not shaving their body hair? No, older women shave and wax (or cover themselves up) and get botox and fillers and do whatever they can to make their older female bodies more acceptable to the power that be.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the anti-hair people also against eyebrow grooming and facial hair removal?

You’re so dense. You’re being asked to consider why. Stop being defensive and look at the bigger picture. Look at what we are doing to our children.

Simple question: are you suggesting we should keep our unibrows, mustaches, and chin hairs?

DP but I think people are just suggesting we start asking WHY we do some of this stuff, who it is for, and who benefits.

Today I had an appointment for my ortho, where I had to do some practical physical tests, so I wore workout clothes. It's warm today, so I wanted short sleeves, but I discovered I only had long sleeve or tank workout tops that were clean. The thing about a tank is that when I do these tests at my ortho, I have to reach above my head and stretch my arms out, and people can see my underarms. Now, I shave my underarms. But I just feel sort of uncomfortable about how they look. I have dark hair and pale skin, so even with shaving, there's a little shadow there. If I were at the gym I'd wouldn't worry about it, but I was thinking about being in an office with people looking at my body and watching me do these tests, and I felt uncomfortable about it. I wound up wearing the tank but then wearing a hoody over it, so that I could keep the hoody on for the tests, even though honestly I felt hot in the hoody.

Maybe you never worry about stuff like that, but reread this thread. Hair on women is "masculine", "untidy", "gross." Hairy and beefy thrown around as insults (along with lesbian). Women should be "clean" and "tidy" which means hairless except on their heads.

You can say I'm neurotic for feeling bad about how my *shaved* armpits look due to the fact that I'm a human being who has hair follicles in my armpit, but I look at this conversation and am like "yup, that's exactly why I felt weird about it and didn't want people to see it."

It's worth talking about. I'm not going to stop shaving my armpits (obviously! that would only make me feel worse and more self conscious) but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the way these expectations around how women's bodies are "supposed" to look (which is so different from how our bodies look naturally, especially as we age) can be a prison for us.

Why can't it just be a personal choice? Men choose whether to shave their faces, just as I choose to get my eyebrows, mustache, and chin hairs threaded. It's how I like to groom myself, much like my husband prefers to shave his face every morning.

? the PP is saying it's a personal choice. This thread is just discussing WHY the standard of beauty is set such that women feel thy need to wax their pubes off (which sounds incredibly painful).

Men groom, too, though.

But men are not told they are unclean or gross if they choose not to fully remove all their body and facial hair. A man may choose to shave or not, but it's an aesthetic choice and people are accepting either way. Men with beards are not given dirty looks or called gross. A woman who doesn't shave her armpits would get both.

Men go to the pool with hairy legs and arms and backs and chests, and no one says anything. They may even have hair on their stomachs or lower back that is likely an extension of pubic hair, and people would not really care because they are men and they are allowed to have body hair. A woman at the pool with visible leg hair or back hair, or some visible pubic hair, would be made fun of and avoided.

It's not the same. A lot of grooming is not a true choice for women unless they are willing to accept a limited social role or cover themselves up. Many women only shave and wax out of fear of judgement or to be socially acceptable, and not because it's a genuine choice they are making for personal preference only.

I've run into a few young women in their twenties who don't shave their body hair. They seem to intentionally wear revealing clothing to let everyone see where they stand. Fine.

Sure, but they are young. Do you see a lot of older women not shaving their body hair? No, older women shave and wax (or cover themselves up) and get botox and fillers and do whatever they can to make their older female bodies more acceptable to the power that be.

Yes, they are often colloquially known as hippies. I have no problem with their personal choices about grooming or aging.

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Anonymous wrote:My 21 yo daughter and all her friends wax everything off. While it’s completely her choice, I do inwardly cringe when I think about how this is the expectation these days. She said she just likes to feel totally clean and not have to worry in her swimsuit, which I totally understand. I’ve always waxed my bikini line, but the idea of taking it *all* off is so extreme to me.

Oh well - it’s her body, not mine.

On the one hand, yes, your daughter and her friends of course get to make their own choices about their bodies.

On the other hadn't, think of how much time and money they will spend on removing all the hair from their bodies so that they can wear whatever skimpy bathing suit is in fashion and "not have to worry."

Think of what they could spend that time and money on instead.

Yes, of course. Not sure why you felt the need to tell me that - again, it’s her body and her money. She can do what she pleases. I’m sure you agree.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the anti-hair people also against eyebrow grooming and facial hair removal?

You’re so dense. You’re being asked to consider why. Stop being defensive and look at the bigger picture. Look at what we are doing to our children.

Simple question: are you suggesting we should keep our unibrows, mustaches, and chin hairs?

DP but I think people are just suggesting we start asking WHY we do some of this stuff, who it is for, and who benefits.

Today I had an appointment for my ortho, where I had to do some practical physical tests, so I wore workout clothes. It's warm today, so I wanted short sleeves, but I discovered I only had long sleeve or tank workout tops that were clean. The thing about a tank is that when I do these tests at my ortho, I have to reach above my head and stretch my arms out, and people can see my underarms. Now, I shave my underarms. But I just feel sort of uncomfortable about how they look. I have dark hair and pale skin, so even with shaving, there's a little shadow there. If I were at the gym I'd wouldn't worry about it, but I was thinking about being in an office with people looking at my body and watching me do these tests, and I felt uncomfortable about it. I wound up wearing the tank but then wearing a hoody over it, so that I could keep the hoody on for the tests, even though honestly I felt hot in the hoody.

Maybe you never worry about stuff like that, but reread this thread. Hair on women is "masculine", "untidy", "gross." Hairy and beefy thrown around as insults (along with lesbian). Women should be "clean" and "tidy" which means hairless except on their heads.

You can say I'm neurotic for feeling bad about how my *shaved* armpits look due to the fact that I'm a human being who has hair follicles in my armpit, but I look at this conversation and am like "yup, that's exactly why I felt weird about it and didn't want people to see it."

It's worth talking about. I'm not going to stop shaving my armpits (obviously! that would only make me feel worse and more self conscious) but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the way these expectations around how women's bodies are "supposed" to look (which is so different from how our bodies look naturally, especially as we age) can be a prison for us.

DP - I hear you!! I also have very dark hair and fair skin and the armpits and bikini area have been a lifelong struggle for me. I finally decided to do laser about ten years ago and it has been life changing. I do not say that lightly. I spend countless hours of my life waxing, shaving, etc. and was always thinking about it. Laser was expensive, but the best thing I’ve ever done for myself. I didn’t “take it all off,” but did an extensive bikini area and underarms. I’m so much more confident now in situations like you describe.

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Anonymous wrote:Anti aging is about looking 25, not 17.

This. Plus at 48 no matter what I do, I will never ever look even 30 much less like a child.

So dumb. I really hate when other women create these dumb posts to tell us what we should be doing with our bodies. Go gray, never shave, be flabby. WHO CARES. I'll do whatever I damn well please with my body. I dont have to justify it to anyone.

How can a 50 year old look 25? What does that entail?

I think there's been a cultural shift away from trying to look younger in favor of trying to look good for your age. There are so many women in their forties (Giselle, Jessica Alba) and fifties (Halle Barry, Heidi Klum, Nicole Kidman) who still look gorgeous. It's not about looking 25; it's about looking and feeling your best for as long as you can.

Don’t you get it. It’s the same thing. They’re trying to look not their age.

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Anonymous wrote:Bikini wax is 100% related to this.

No, I do this because I don't want hairs picking out of my swimsuit. I like being clean and fresh. But you do you.

lol yeah but why does your swimsuit cover such little of your body that hairs inevitably peek out?

DP because we don't live under Taliban rule and I can wear whatever the eff I want. Any other stupid questions?

You are not hearing the questions.

Why are bathing suits getting smaller and smaller such that you need to shave everything off? Who designed these things? Did you come up with the design of these skimpy bathing suits on your own? No, you didn't. You succumbed to the media pushing the itty bitty bikini and now have to shave everything off to wear it.

DP. I suppose we could wear wetsuits and not have to worry… I don’t even wear the tiny bikinis/thongs you’re talking about but of course I have to take care of anything that might show. If you choose not to, that’s certainly your prerogative but I have no desire to have hair hanging out of my swimsuit.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't want to date a bald man with a paunch so guess there are biases on both sides.

Sure, but having some kind of bush = woman. Being bald down there = prepubescent.

Eh, give it a rest.

"Having some kind of facial hair = man. Being cleanshaven = prepubescent."

This gets boring so fast.

Yes, exactly. Lots of youthful looking men grow facial hair precisely for the reason that - they look prepubescent without facial hair.

But, if the man without the facial hair looks like an adult, it doesn't matter.

Unlike a man's face, you can't really tell the age of a woman by looking at her shaved pubic area. So, if she has no hair there, yes, it can look prepubescent.

Please stop shaving your armpits and legs immediately. You look prepubescent if you shave those. See how dumb you sound. Stop policing what women do with their bodies.

But if a woman didn't shave or wax her armpits or legs, she would be policed for it instantly. She would be called gross and unhygienic.

The policing is happening already, all the time.

All the more reason for other women to stop saying dumb shit about women who choose to wax.

Well said. Low IQ "feminist" sez "you were so brainwashed by the patriarchy that you can't think; therefore you wax". As if I'm that dumb. Fck off with your condescension. A beefy, hairy lesbian does not have more feminist credibility than I do just by virtue of her grooming and sex partner decisions.

Sigh. This comment. We will never rise above this level of less than.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the anti-hair people also against eyebrow grooming and facial hair removal?

You’re so dense. You’re being asked to consider why. Stop being defensive and look at the bigger picture. Look at what we are doing to our children.

Simple question: are you suggesting we should keep our unibrows, mustaches, and chin hairs?

DP but I think people are just suggesting we start asking WHY we do some of this stuff, who it is for, and who benefits.

Today I had an appointment for my ortho, where I had to do some practical physical tests, so I wore workout clothes. It's warm today, so I wanted short sleeves, but I discovered I only had long sleeve or tank workout tops that were clean. The thing about a tank is that when I do these tests at my ortho, I have to reach above my head and stretch my arms out, and people can see my underarms. Now, I shave my underarms. But I just feel sort of uncomfortable about how they look. I have dark hair and pale skin, so even with shaving, there's a little shadow there. If I were at the gym I'd wouldn't worry about it, but I was thinking about being in an office with people looking at my body and watching me do these tests, and I felt uncomfortable about it. I wound up wearing the tank but then wearing a hoody over it, so that I could keep the hoody on for the tests, even though honestly I felt hot in the hoody.

Maybe you never worry about stuff like that, but reread this thread. Hair on women is "masculine", "untidy", "gross." Hairy and beefy thrown around as insults (along with lesbian). Women should be "clean" and "tidy" which means hairless except on their heads.

You can say I'm neurotic for feeling bad about how my *shaved* armpits look due to the fact that I'm a human being who has hair follicles in my armpit, but I look at this conversation and am like "yup, that's exactly why I felt weird about it and didn't want people to see it."

It's worth talking about. I'm not going to stop shaving my armpits (obviously! that would only make me feel worse and more self conscious) but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the way these expectations around how women's bodies are "supposed" to look (which is so different from how our bodies look naturally, especially as we age) can be a prison for us.

Why can't it just be a personal choice? Men choose whether to shave their faces, just as I choose to get my eyebrows, mustache, and chin hairs threaded. It's how I like to groom myself, much like my husband prefers to shave his face every morning.

? the PP is saying it's a personal choice. This thread is just discussing WHY the standard of beauty is set such that women feel thy need to wax their pubes off (which sounds incredibly painful).

Men groom, too, though.

A man shaving everything off down there is weird, too. I really think it's the porn effect.

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I would be seriously grossed out if my husband did that. Or any man.

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Anonymous wrote:Anti aging is about looking 25, not 17.

This. Plus at 48 no matter what I do, I will never ever look even 30 much less like a child.

So dumb. I really hate when other women create these dumb posts to tell us what we should be doing with our bodies. Go gray, never shave, be flabby. WHO CARES. I'll do whatever I damn well please with my body. I dont have to justify it to anyone.

How can a 50 year old look 25? What does that entail?

I think there's been a cultural shift away from trying to look younger in favor of trying to look good for your age. There are so many women in their forties (Giselle, Jessica Alba) and fifties (Halle Barry, Heidi Klum, Nicole Kidman) who still look gorgeous. It's not about looking 25; it's about looking and feeling your best for as long as you can.

Don’t you get it. It’s the same thing. They’re trying to look not their age.

There is a movement toward optimizing health for as long as possible. It's not about appearing younger so much as about living better and optimizing health and life for as long as possible. Biohacking, etc. Men also want to optimize their health and appearance for as long as possible. It's about living well for as long as possible.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the anti-hair people also against eyebrow grooming and facial hair removal?

You’re so dense. You’re being asked to consider why. Stop being defensive and look at the bigger picture. Look at what we are doing to our children.

Simple question: are you suggesting we should keep our unibrows, mustaches, and chin hairs?

DP but I think people are just suggesting we start asking WHY we do some of this stuff, who it is for, and who benefits.

Today I had an appointment for my ortho, where I had to do some practical physical tests, so I wore workout clothes. It's warm today, so I wanted short sleeves, but I discovered I only had long sleeve or tank workout tops that were clean. The thing about a tank is that when I do these tests at my ortho, I have to reach above my head and stretch my arms out, and people can see my underarms. Now, I shave my underarms. But I just feel sort of uncomfortable about how they look. I have dark hair and pale skin, so even with shaving, there's a little shadow there. If I were at the gym I'd wouldn't worry about it, but I was thinking about being in an office with people looking at my body and watching me do these tests, and I felt uncomfortable about it. I wound up wearing the tank but then wearing a hoody over it, so that I could keep the hoody on for the tests, even though honestly I felt hot in the hoody.

Maybe you never worry about stuff like that, but reread this thread. Hair on women is "masculine", "untidy", "gross." Hairy and beefy thrown around as insults (along with lesbian). Women should be "clean" and "tidy" which means hairless except on their heads.

You can say I'm neurotic for feeling bad about how my *shaved* armpits look due to the fact that I'm a human being who has hair follicles in my armpit, but I look at this conversation and am like "yup, that's exactly why I felt weird about it and didn't want people to see it."

It's worth talking about. I'm not going to stop shaving my armpits (obviously! that would only make me feel worse and more self conscious) but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the way these expectations around how women's bodies are "supposed" to look (which is so different from how our bodies look naturally, especially as we age) can be a prison for us.

Why can't it just be a personal choice? Men choose whether to shave their faces, just as I choose to get my eyebrows, mustache, and chin hairs threaded. It's how I like to groom myself, much like my husband prefers to shave his face every morning.

? the PP is saying it's a personal choice. This thread is just discussing WHY the standard of beauty is set such that women feel thy need to wax their pubes off (which sounds incredibly painful).

Men groom, too, though.

But men are not told they are unclean or gross if they choose not to fully remove all their body and facial hair. A man may choose to shave or not, but it's an aesthetic choice and people are accepting either way. Men with beards are not given dirty looks or called gross. A woman who doesn't shave her armpits would get both.

Men go to the pool with hairy legs and arms and backs and chests, and no one says anything. They may even have hair on their stomachs or lower back that is likely an extension of pubic hair, and people would not really care because they are men and they are allowed to have body hair. A woman at the pool with visible leg hair or back hair, or some visible pubic hair, would be made fun of and avoided.

It's not the same. A lot of grooming is not a true choice for women unless they are willing to accept a limited social role or cover themselves up. Many women only shave and wax out of fear of judgement or to be socially acceptable, and not because it's a genuine choice they are making for personal preference only.

I've run into a few young women in their twenties who don't shave their body hair. They seem to intentionally wear revealing clothing to let everyone see where they stand. Fine.

Yep. The obvious “look at me and my radical choice!” is so pathetic. Who cares.