1530 SAT at McLean High not enough for UVA now?

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I really think it's ridiculous that a child who get B's in DE and AP classes and is taking advanced math that is second and third year mathematics college major is going to end up in jmu , odu or Mary Washington. Maybe uva isnt the right fit but where does a b ap/de student who has taken all second and third math college level courses go? Maybe that is the real question.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think it's ridiculous that a child who get B's in DE and AP classes and is taking advanced math that is second and third year mathematics college major is going to end up in jmu , odu or Mary Washington. Maybe uva isnt the right fit but where does a b ap/de student who has taken all second and third math college level courses go? Maybe that is the real question.

3.98/4.5, 1560 9 APs and HS math through Multi/Linear was waitlisted at UVA in 2023. Accepted at WM, UMD (merit), Pitt, Lehigh (merit), BU (merit), Ohio St.(merit) CWRU (merit) and UMN (merit). Plenty of state flagships will offer merit to bring COA near or better than UVA in-state.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think it's ridiculous that a child who get B's in DE and AP classes and is taking advanced math that is second and third year mathematics college major is going to end up in jmu , odu or Mary Washington. Maybe uva isnt the right fit but where does a b ap/de student who has taken all second and third math college level courses go? Maybe that is the real question.

3.98/4.5, 1560 9 APs and HS math through Multi/Linear was waitlisted at UVA in 2023. Accepted at WM, UMD (merit), Pitt, Lehigh (merit), BU (merit), Ohio St.(merit) CWRU (merit) and UMN (merit). Plenty of state flagships will offer merit to bring COA near or better than UVA in-state.

ok very interesting, where did they end up? WM looks interesting but I am not sure if my kid would like being at a liberal arts school to double major in math and cs.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think it's ridiculous that a child who get B's in DE and AP classes and is taking advanced math that is second and third year mathematics college major is going to end up in jmu , odu or Mary Washington. Maybe uva isnt the right fit but where does a b ap/de student who has taken all second and third math college level courses go? Maybe that is the real question.

3.98/4.5, 1560 9 APs and HS math through Multi/Linear was waitlisted at UVA in 2023. Accepted at WM, UMD (merit), Pitt, Lehigh (merit), BU (merit), Ohio St.(merit) CWRU (merit) and UMN (merit). Plenty of state flagships will offer merit to bring COA near or better than UVA in-state.

ok very interesting, where did they end up? WM looks interesting but I am not sure if my kid would like being at a liberal arts school to double major in math and cs.

PP. UMD. My kid is a CS major with minors in math and philosophy. UMD is a tougher admit for CS majors since 23. However as OOS, its easier than MoCo.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think it's ridiculous that a child who get B's in DE and AP classes and is taking advanced math that is second and third year mathematics college major is going to end up in jmu , odu or Mary Washington. Maybe uva isnt the right fit but where does a b ap/de student who has taken all second and third math college level courses go? Maybe that is the real question.

B students go to JMU.

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Anonymous wrote:JMU, ODU and Mary Washington are also fine schools, OP.

those school are sub 1200 sat averages stop trolling

False: SCHEV reports the students at JMU
last fall had a 1330 at the 75th percentile and a 1280 at the median; U of Mary Washington had a 1340 at the 75th and a 1269 at the median; ODU had a 1270 at the 75th and a 1190 at the 50th.

Come on, only 14% at JMU submitted test scores, and those top scorers only had 1280 median. Average across all students they are the 1100s at best.

I've heard JMU is getting really hard to get in to - 3.75gpa min

That’s a really high gpa for alot of kids, mine included!

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Anonymous wrote:I really think it's ridiculous that a child who get B's in DE and AP classes and is taking advanced math that is second and third year mathematics college major is going to end up in jmu , odu or Mary Washington. Maybe uva isnt the right fit but where does a b ap/de student who has taken all second and third math college level courses go? Maybe that is the real question.

3.98/4.5, 1560 9 APs and HS math through Multi/Linear was waitlisted at UVA in 2023. Accepted at WM, UMD (merit), Pitt, Lehigh (merit), BU (merit), Ohio St.(merit) CWRU (merit) and UMN (merit). Plenty of state flagships will offer merit to bring COA near or better than UVA in-state.

ok very interesting, where did they end up? WM looks interesting but I am not sure if my kid would like being at a liberal arts school to double major in math and cs.

I dont think you understand what a liberal arts school is. It isnt just for humanities.

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Anonymous wrote:It's your zip code.

This. From McLean and Langley, you need a 4.5 on top of that SAT score. Highest rigor, highest grades. No room for an emotional breakup, friend troubles, personal issues to work through, or family struggle. Be perfect since age 14 or no UVA for you.

Which means there are lots of parents helicoptering and snow plowing to make this happen and they have all the money they need to support that.

If you have more money you don’t obsess about your kids going to an in-state school like UVA. You let your kids enjoy life a bit more and go to another in-state school, a SLAC or an OOS flagship, comfortable that their basic smarts and social skills will serve them well later.

You must be posting from the south. That’s how southern wealthy parents act, not DC/Northern Virginia parents.

We are in NoVa and not rich, but we saw the writing on the wall. UVA wasn’t going to be for our DC, who had some transcript/GPA things that would have been issues at UVA. We went the SLAC route and with aid ended up being less than what we would have paid for UVA.

Similar story here, DC took a very rigorous STEM focused courseload but didn’t want to play UVA’s language game. Headed to a top SLAC instead. Who knows whether he would have gotten into UVA. Pulled his app when he got in the SLAC ED.

"language game" - aka it was never the right fit and that's fine!

DP.
Disagree that a state flagship should have such an arbitrary standard on world languages if they are trying to attract top students, particularly top STEM students.

It seems very basic and incurious to denigrate foreign languages.

For upper class people, fluency in other languages is a sign of being educated and cultured. In the lower class, it’s often valued as well. Why do middle class people convince themselves it’s not a good thing to study languages?

Of course it's a good thing, but so is studying advanced science. Sometimes both don't fit a kid's interests or literally fit into the high school schedule. When that happens, why is foreign language automatically deemed better by UVA? That's the point.

Think about it this way - if a student is super into languages and humanities, so didn't take any difficult science or math classes, they probably wouldn't get into UVA either, right? Even if they spoke 5 languages and won an award for their poetry? It's not a preference for language vs science - it's a preference to take rigorous classes in all core subjects.

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Anonymous wrote:It's your zip code.

This. From McLean and Langley, you need a 4.5 on top of that SAT score. Highest rigor, highest grades. No room for an emotional breakup, friend troubles, personal issues to work through, or family struggle. Be perfect since age 14 or no UVA for you.

Which means there are lots of parents helicoptering and snow plowing to make this happen and they have all the money they need to support that.

If you have more money you don’t obsess about your kids going to an in-state school like UVA. You let your kids enjoy life a bit more and go to another in-state school, a SLAC or an OOS flagship, comfortable that their basic smarts and social skills will serve them well later.

You must be posting from the south. That’s how southern wealthy parents act, not DC/Northern Virginia parents.

We are in NoVa and not rich, but we saw the writing on the wall. UVA wasn’t going to be for our DC, who had some transcript/GPA things that would have been issues at UVA. We went the SLAC route and with aid ended up being less than what we would have paid for UVA.

Similar story here, DC took a very rigorous STEM focused courseload but didn’t want to play UVA’s language game. Headed to a top SLAC instead. Who knows whether he would have gotten into UVA. Pulled his app when he got in the SLAC ED.

"language game" - aka it was never the right fit and that's fine!

DP.
Disagree that a state flagship should have such an arbitrary standard on world languages if they are trying to attract top students, particularly top STEM students.

Language game poster here and I agree. While my kid is happy with his chosen college and I think it's a better fit than UVA, I am still a little disappointed he won't be taking advantage of instate tuition at my alma mater. I don't think the state flagship should have this weird standard. It definitely hurts STEM kids. He had to choose between a STEM AP double period class and a language. I think he picked correctly and I'm miffed that UVA penalizes kids for following their interests.

Did he include that explanation in the notes section?

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Is your kid in top 5% of his class? That seems to be what UVA is looking for. They will base it on other applicants from his school and class quartiles in the school profile. Plus, their own data they’ve collected over the years from your school.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think it's ridiculous that a child who get B's in DE and AP classes and is taking advanced math that is second and third year mathematics college major is going to end up in jmu , odu or Mary Washington. Maybe uva isnt the right fit but where does a b ap/de student who has taken all second and third math college level courses go? Maybe that is the real question.

B students go to JMU.

The typical profile of the "b" JMU student is all normal classes, not DE and AP. troll harder

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Anonymous wrote:I really think it's ridiculous that a child who get B's in DE and AP classes and is taking advanced math that is second and third year mathematics college major is going to end up in jmu , odu or Mary Washington. Maybe uva isnt the right fit but where does a b ap/de student who has taken all second and third math college level courses go? Maybe that is the real question.

3.98/4.5, 1560 9 APs and HS math through Multi/Linear was waitlisted at UVA in 2023. Accepted at WM, UMD (merit), Pitt, Lehigh (merit), BU (merit), Ohio St.(merit) CWRU (merit) and UMN (merit). Plenty of state flagships will offer merit to bring COA near or better than UVA in-state.

ok very interesting, where did they end up? WM looks interesting but I am not sure if my kid would like being at a liberal arts school to double major in math and cs.

PP. UMD. My kid is a CS major with minors in math and philosophy. UMD is a tougher admit for CS majors since 23. However as OOS, its easier than MoCo.

I thought UMD didn't give merit, i was basically saying don't make me pay full ride for UMD right across the border lol

I heard texas A&M was giving better scholarships, very interesting UMD does.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think it's ridiculous that a child who get B's in DE and AP classes and is taking advanced math that is second and third year mathematics college major is going to end up in jmu , odu or Mary Washington. Maybe uva isnt the right fit but where does a b ap/de student who has taken all second and third math college level courses go? Maybe that is the real question.

B students go to JMU.

The typical profile of the "b" JMU student is all normal classes, not DE and AP. troll harder

That’s not wholly accurate. Plenty of applicants to JMU take DE and AP classes.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think it's ridiculous that a child who get B's in DE and AP classes and is taking advanced math that is second and third year mathematics college major is going to end up in jmu , odu or Mary Washington. Maybe uva isnt the right fit but where does a b ap/de student who has taken all second and third math college level courses go? Maybe that is the real question.

3.98/4.5, 1560 9 APs and HS math through Multi/Linear was waitlisted at UVA in 2023. Accepted at WM, UMD (merit), Pitt, Lehigh (merit), BU (merit), Ohio St.(merit) CWRU (merit) and UMN (merit). Plenty of state flagships will offer merit to bring COA near or better than UVA in-state.

ok very interesting, where did they end up? WM looks interesting but I am not sure if my kid would like being at a liberal arts school to double major in math and cs.

Take another look at W&M. It has a good reputation and very solid CS and math offerings.

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Pssst: many, many kids despise taking a FL through HS. Something has to differentiate the kids. Choices have an impact. If kid 1 says I am dropping my foreign language after jr year and kid 2 grinds onward, it says something about both kids. No AO is thinking “wow! Kid 1 took two sciences senior year instead of a FL.”