1530 SAT at McLean High not enough for UVA now?

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Anonymous wrote:JMU, ODU and Mary Washington are also fine schools, OP.

those school are sub 1200 sat averages stop trolling

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Anonymous wrote:Yes UVA's requirement of one language is even sillier than the language requirement. Penalizes students who want to switch. Makes no sense.

It does make sense. Taking intro Spanish, after intro French and maybe intro Latin/german/sign language is not a the same as one language up to level 4+. Get a grip.

It's not a requirement, but a best practice.

And yes, shifting around 3 languages is not good. Doing 3 years of one (possible via middle school in FCPS) and 2 of another, is different and not disqualifying. I know because my own DC did that and is now in CAS.

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Anonymous wrote:It's your zip code.

This. From McLean and Langley, you need a 4.5 on top of that SAT score. Highest rigor, highest grades. No room for an emotional breakup, friend troubles, personal issues to work through, or family struggle. Be perfect since age 14 or no UVA for you.

Which means there are lots of parents helicoptering and snow plowing to make this happen and they have all the money they need to support that.

If you have more money you don’t obsess about your kids going to an in-state school like UVA. You let your kids enjoy life a bit more and go to another in-state school, a SLAC or an OOS flagship, comfortable that their basic smarts and social skills will serve them well later.

You must be posting from the south. That’s how southern wealthy parents act, not DC/Northern Virginia parents.

We are in NoVa and not rich, but we saw the writing on the wall. UVA wasn’t going to be for our DC, who had some transcript/GPA things that would have been issues at UVA. We went the SLAC route and with aid ended up being less than what we would have paid for UVA.

Similar story here, DC took a very rigorous STEM focused courseload but didn’t want to play UVA’s language game. Headed to a top SLAC instead. Who knows whether he would have gotten into UVA. Pulled his app when he got in the SLAC ED.

"language game" - aka it was never the right fit and that's fine!

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Disagree that a state flagship should have such an arbitrary standard on world languages if they are trying to attract top students, particularly top STEM students.

It seems very basic and incurious to denigrate foreign languages.

For upper class people, fluency in other languages is a sign of being educated and cultured. In the lower class, it’s often valued as well. Why do middle class people convince themselves it’s not a good thing to study languages?

Of course it's a good thing, but so is studying advanced science. Sometimes both don't fit a kid's interests or literally fit into the high school schedule. When that happens, why is foreign language automatically deemed better by UVA? [b]That's the point.

It isn’t advanced science OR works languages. uVA wants to se that the applicant has taken “the most rigorous” courses offered in all core subjects, one of which happens to be world language. It’s the same at most of the T25z Princeton, for example, has a four year minimum of world language. Remember also that the top schools then have their own foreign language requirements for its own undergrads.

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Anonymous wrote:It's your zip code.

This. From McLean and Langley, you need a 4.5 on top of that SAT score. Highest rigor, highest grades. No room for an emotional breakup, friend troubles, personal issues to work through, or family struggle. Be perfect since age 14 or no UVA for you.

Which means there are lots of parents helicoptering and snow plowing to make this happen and they have all the money they need to support that.

If you have more money you don’t obsess about your kids going to an in-state school like UVA. You let your kids enjoy life a bit more and go to another in-state school, a SLAC or an OOS flagship, comfortable that their basic smarts and social skills will serve them well later.

You must be posting from the south. That’s how southern wealthy parents act, not DC/Northern Virginia parents.

We are in NoVa and not rich, but we saw the writing on the wall. UVA wasn’t going to be for our DC, who had some transcript/GPA things that would have been issues at UVA. We went the SLAC route and with aid ended up being less than what we would have paid for UVA.

Similar story here, DC took a very rigorous STEM focused courseload but didn’t want to play UVA’s language game. Headed to a top SLAC instead. Who knows whether he would have gotten into UVA. Pulled his app when he got in the SLAC ED.

"language game" - aka it was never the right fit and that's fine!

DP.
Disagree that a state flagship should have such an arbitrary standard on world languages if they are trying to attract top students, particularly top STEM students.

It seems very basic and incurious to denigrate foreign languages.

For upper class people, fluency in other languages is a sign of being educated and cultured. In the lower class, it’s often valued as well. Why do middle class people convince themselves it’s not a good thing to study languages?

Of course it's a good thing, but so is studying advanced science. Sometimes both don't fit a kid's interests or literally fit into the high school schedule. When that happens, why is foreign language automatically deemed better by UVA? That's the point.

It isn’t advanced science OR works languages. uVA wants to se that the applicant has taken “the most rigorous” courses offered in all core subjects, one of which happens to be world language. [b]It’s the same at most of the T25z Princeton, for example, has a four year minimum of world language. Remember also that the top schools then have their own foreign language requirements for its own undergrads.

This. Not meeting the language requirement for UVA is also disqualifying for numerous other colleges. In the current situation where admit rates are ridiculously low it makes no sense to make your candidacy even more of a long shot.

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Why does everyone keep saying you need four years of foreign language for UVA? You don’t! That has been debunked time and again.

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Anonymous wrote:JMU, ODU and Mary Washington are also fine schools, OP.

those school are sub 1200 sat averages stop trolling

False: SCHEV reports the students at JMU
last fall had a 1330 at the 75th percentile and a 1280 at the median; U of Mary Washington had a 1340 at the 75th and a 1269 at the median; ODU had a 1270 at the 75th and a 1190 at the 50th.

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Anonymous wrote:JMU, ODU and Mary Washington are also fine schools, OP.

those school are sub 1200 sat averages stop trolling

False: SCHEV reports the students at JMU
last fall had a 1330 at the 75th percentile and a 1280 at the median; U of Mary Washington had a 1340 at the 75th and a 1269 at the median; ODU had a 1270 at the 75th and a 1190 at the 50th.

Come on, only 14% at JMU submitted test scores, and those top scorers only had 1280 median. Average across all students they are the 1100s at best.

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Anonymous wrote:JMU, ODU and Mary Washington are also fine schools, OP.

those school are sub 1200 sat averages stop trolling

False: SCHEV reports the students at JMU
last fall had a 1330 at the 75th percentile and a 1280 at the median; U of Mary Washington had a 1340 at the 75th and a 1269 at the median; ODU had a 1270 at the 75th and a 1190 at the 50th.

Come on, only 14% at JMU submitted test scores, and those top scorers only had 1280 median. Average across all students they are the 1100s at best.

I've heard JMU is getting really hard to get in to - 3.75gpa min

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Anonymous wrote:JMU, ODU and Mary Washington are also fine schools, OP.

those school are sub 1200 sat averages stop trolling

False: SCHEV reports the students at JMU
last fall had a 1330 at the 75th percentile and a 1280 at the median; U of Mary Washington had a 1340 at the 75th and a 1269 at the median; ODU had a 1270 at the 75th and a 1190 at the 50th.

Come on, only 14% at JMU submitted test scores, and those top scorers only had 1280 median. Average across all students they are the 1100s at best.

I've heard JMU is getting really hard to get in to - 3.75gpa min

PP....hit submit too soon. By that, I mean it's not the shoo in it once was.

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Anonymous wrote:JMU, ODU and Mary Washington are also fine schools, OP.

those school are sub 1200 sat averages stop trolling

False: SCHEV reports the students at JMU
last fall had a 1330 at the 75th percentile and a 1280 at the median; U of Mary Washington had a 1340 at the 75th and a 1269 at the median; ODU had a 1270 at the 75th and a 1190 at the 50th.

Come on, only 14% at JMU submitted test scores, and those top scorers only had 1280 median. Average across all students they are the 1100s at best.

I've heard JMU is getting really hard to get in to - 3.75gpa min

PP....hit submit too soon. By that, I mean it's not the shoo in it once was.

True. It has gone from 85% acceptance rate to around 75%.

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Anonymous wrote:The SAT and the rigor is just fine, its the gpa.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone keep saying you need four years of foreign language for UVA? You don’t! That has been debunked time and again.

+100,000,000

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Anonymous wrote:It's your zip code.

This. From McLean and Langley, you need a 4.5 on top of that SAT score. Highest rigor, highest grades. No room for an emotional breakup, friend troubles, personal issues to work through, or family struggle. Be perfect since age 14 or no UVA for you.

Which means there are lots of parents helicoptering and snow plowing to make this happen and they have all the money they need to support that.

If you have more money you don’t obsess about your kids going to an in-state school like UVA. You let your kids enjoy life a bit more and go to another in-state school, a SLAC or an OOS flagship, comfortable that their basic smarts and social skills will serve them well later.

You must be posting from the south. That’s how southern wealthy parents act, not DC/Northern Virginia parents.

We are in NoVa and not rich, but we saw the writing on the wall. UVA wasn’t going to be for our DC, who had some transcript/GPA things that would have been issues at UVA. We went the SLAC route and with aid ended up being less than what we would have paid for UVA.

Similar story here, DC took a very rigorous STEM focused courseload but didn’t want to play UVA’s language game. Headed to a top SLAC instead. Who knows whether he would have gotten into UVA. Pulled his app when he got in the SLAC ED.

"language game" - aka it was never the right fit and that's fine!

DP.
Disagree that a state flagship should have such an arbitrary standard on world languages if they are trying to attract top students, particularly top STEM students.

It’s not arbitrary.

It does narrow the field to top students.

The top STEM public university in VA is VT.

Well it excludes top STEM students. They didn't get my NMSF with a perfect SAT score. Their loss!

You said he didn’t play/apply. How can you say they exclude him? He probably knew it’s not a good fit.

No, I did not say he did not apply. He did apply. I did say he did not play the language game, by that meaning he stopped a lang after soph yr even knowing UVA - then his top choice school - would look down on it. Over time, UVA went down in his list. He didn't apply there ED. He did still apply EA in the end.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone keep saying you need four years of foreign language for UVA? You don’t! That has been debunked time and again.

+100,000,000

A UVA rep literally told us you need 4 years of a foreign language. but sure i'm sure you know better than her!

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Anonymous wrote:It's your zip code.

This. From McLean and Langley, you need a 4.5 on top of that SAT score. Highest rigor, highest grades. No room for an emotional breakup, friend troubles, personal issues to work through, or family struggle. Be perfect since age 14 or no UVA for you.

Which means there are lots of parents helicoptering and snow plowing to make this happen and they have all the money they need to support that.

If you have more money you don’t obsess about your kids going to an in-state school like UVA. You let your kids enjoy life a bit more and go to another in-state school, a SLAC or an OOS flagship, comfortable that their basic smarts and social skills will serve them well later.

You must be posting from the south. That’s how southern wealthy parents act, not DC/Northern Virginia parents.

We are in NoVa and not rich, but we saw the writing on the wall. UVA wasn’t going to be for our DC, who had some transcript/GPA things that would have been issues at UVA. We went the SLAC route and with aid ended up being less than what we would have paid for UVA.

Similar story here, DC took a very rigorous STEM focused courseload but didn’t want to play UVA’s language game. Headed to a top SLAC instead. Who knows whether he would have gotten into UVA. Pulled his app when he got in the SLAC ED.

"language game" - aka it was never the right fit and that's fine!

DP.
Disagree that a state flagship should have such an arbitrary standard on world languages if they are trying to attract top students, particularly top STEM students.

It’s not arbitrary.

It does narrow the field to top students.

The top STEM public university in VA is VT.

Well it excludes top STEM students. They didn't get my NMSF with a perfect SAT score. Their loss!

You said he didn’t play/apply. How can you say they exclude him? He probably knew it’s not a good fit.

No, I did not say he did not apply. He did apply. I did say he did not play the language game, by that meaning he stopped a lang after soph yr even knowing UVA - then his top choice school - would look down on it. Over time, UVA went down in his list. He didn't apply there ED. He did still apply EA in the end.

But didn’t get in.