Sign Petition Asking for Boundaries Now, Programs Later

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Anonymous wrote:This is such a bullshit letter. We see right through this hey keep all the rich white school is the same and don’t rush anything else. GTFO

Huh? How'd you get that from the petition? It's not about favoring rich white schools at all. Did you read it?

NP- As an upcounty resident who read the petition and the comments about 50 MCCPTA delegates, I won’t be signing this petition despite agreeing with some of its points. Why? Because it seems to overwhelming focus on certain areas and not take into account the needs of many others parts of the county. This is evident by calling out Silver Spring and the DCC without even a bit of acknowledgement that others in the boundary studies experience split articulations. Further, 50 MCCPTA delegates when there is more than 200 schools, mean there vote represents less than 1/4 of the districts schools.

Folks are constantly talking about MCPS needing to reach out and communicate more and better. Seems the same can be said for this effort against MCPS.

I"m an MCCPTA delegate and there were over 130 people at the delegates meeting representing over 50 schools and all the clusters.

I voted for the resolution. I don't like the DCC, but I don't think this model has been thought through yet. I'd much rather see strong local schools.

I wish the petition was written to say just that. Stop trying to divide the county into DCC vs the "rich" schools. Everyone wants this to slow down so write a petition that encompasses what we all want.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This is such a bullshit letter. We see right through this hey keep all the rich white school is the same and don’t rush anything else. GTFO

Huh? How'd you get that from the petition? It's not about favoring rich white schools at all. Did you read it?

NP- As an upcounty resident who read the petition and the comments about 50 MCCPTA delegates, I won’t be signing this petition despite agreeing with some of its points. Why? Because it seems to overwhelming focus on certain areas and not take into account the needs of many others parts of the county. This is evident by calling out Silver Spring and the DCC without even a bit of acknowledgement that others in the boundary studies experience split articulations. Further, 50 MCCPTA delegates when there is more than 200 schools, mean there vote represents less than 1/4 of the districts schools.

Folks are constantly talking about MCPS needing to reach out and communicate more and better. Seems the same can be said for this effort against MCPS.

I"m an MCCPTA delegate and there were over 130 people at the delegates meeting representing over 50 schools and all the clusters.

I voted for the resolution. I don't like the DCC, but I don't think this model has been thought through yet. I'd much rather see strong local schools.

I wish the petition was written to say just that. Stop trying to divide the county into DCC vs the "rich" schools. Everyone wants this to slow down so write a petition that encompasses what we all want.

Agreed. I am for slowing down the regional analysis a year. But I don't want to sign something that is this divisory, and I'm not for characterizing all kids at schools as the same (e.g., West v East, rich v poor).

[Anonymous]

Signed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They should leave the DCC and NEC alone and make consortia in the rest of the county.

we all get that school choice = self-segregation, right?

You also get that the regional program perpetuates that self-segregation, right? Who do you think are the families that are going to sign up and be capable of supporting their kids going to a school other than their home school? Primarily white and Asian families, and to the extent that minority students are in these programs, they will be most likely upper middle-class Black and Hispanic families who can shuttle their kids to and from those schools.

Yes, exactly! I don’t support either the regional model or the consortia.

I think we should work hard at having all strong high schools with no school choice, but with that is also an end to the middle school consortium and DCC. I think my frustration over reading some of these entries is that it comes across that people want every school to be identical, which is impossible. Schools cannot run a class for 5 kids! So MCPS is doing the next best thing- making sure that every high school has a core set of advanced courses. What schools choose to do after that is that school's decision and should be based on the interests of the students they are serving and the skills of the teachers. Comparison is the thief of joy. Every school can bring something different to the table, which is a good thing. And every student has access to dual enrollment if they are ready for the most advanced classes.

Actually, MCPS is the one that wants every school to be identical. They're the ones who are flattening and dismantling unique programs and making swaps from programs that have thrived in one school to instead be housed in another that has no track record of program success in that area in the name of equity.

MCPS has started saying they want to have strong localized programming at every high school in the latest talking points of this regional program expansion, but they have not articulated in any way what that means and how they would enforce that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is such a bullshit letter. We see right through this hey keep all the rich white school is the same and don’t rush anything else. GTFO

Huh? How'd you get that from the petition? It's not about favoring rich white schools at all. Did you read it?

NP- As an upcounty resident who read the petition and the comments about 50 MCCPTA delegates, I won’t be signing this petition despite agreeing with some of its points. Why? Because it seems to overwhelming focus on certain areas and not take into account the needs of many others parts of the county. This is evident by calling out Silver Spring and the DCC without even a bit of acknowledgement that others in the boundary studies experience split articulations. Further, 50 MCCPTA delegates when there is more than 200 schools, mean there vote represents less than 1/4 of the districts schools.

Folks are constantly talking about MCPS needing to reach out and communicate more and better. Seems the same can be said for this effort against MCPS.

I"m an MCCPTA delegate and there were over 130 people at the delegates meeting representing over 50 schools and all the clusters.

I voted for the resolution. I don't like the DCC, but I don't think this model has been thought through yet. I'd much rather see strong local schools.

I wish the petition was written to say just that. Stop trying to divide the county into DCC vs the "rich" schools. Everyone wants this to slow down so write a petition that encompasses what we all want.

The petition is different than what MCCPTA voted on. I thought what MCCPTA voted on was more balanced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should leave the DCC and NEC alone and make consortia in the rest of the county.

we all get that school choice = self-segregation, right?

You also get that the regional program perpetuates that self-segregation, right? Who do you think are the families that are going to sign up and be capable of supporting their kids going to a school other than their home school? Primarily white and Asian families, and to the extent that minority students are in these programs, they will be most likely upper middle-class Black and Hispanic families who can shuttle their kids to and from those schools.

Yes, exactly! I don’t support either the regional model or the consortia.

I think we should work hard at having all strong high schools with no school choice, but with that is also an end to the middle school consortium and DCC. I think my frustration over reading some of these entries is that it comes across that people want every school to be identical, which is impossible. Schools cannot run a class for 5 kids! So MCPS is doing the next best thing- making sure that every high school has a core set of advanced courses. What schools choose to do after that is that school's decision and should be based on the interests of the students they are serving and the skills of the teachers. Comparison is the thief of joy. Every school can bring something different to the table, which is a good thing. And every student has access to dual enrollment if they are ready for the most advanced classes.

Actually, MCPS is the one that wants every school to be identical. They're the ones who are flattening and dismantling unique programs and making swaps from programs that have thrived in one school to instead be housed in another that has no track record of program success in that area in the name of equity.

MCPS has started saying they want to have strong localized programming at every high school in the latest talking points of this regional program expansion, but they have not articulated in any way what that means and how they would enforce that.

They had a slide covering this in August, see p. 19:

https://www.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DKRJWU4F383C/$file/10.01%20Program%20Analysis%20Boundary%20Studies%20Comm%20Engage%20Plan%20Update%20250821%20PPT%20REV.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is such a bullshit letter. We see right through this hey keep all the rich white school is the same and don’t rush anything else. GTFO

Huh? How'd you get that from the petition? It's not about favoring rich white schools at all. Did you read it?

NP- As an upcounty resident who read the petition and the comments about 50 MCCPTA delegates, I won’t be signing this petition despite agreeing with some of its points. Why? Because it seems to overwhelming focus on certain areas and not take into account the needs of many others parts of the county. This is evident by calling out Silver Spring and the DCC without even a bit of acknowledgement that others in the boundary studies experience split articulations. Further, 50 MCCPTA delegates when there is more than 200 schools, mean there vote represents less than 1/4 of the districts schools.

Folks are constantly talking about MCPS needing to reach out and communicate more and better. Seems the same can be said for this effort against MCPS.

I"m an MCCPTA delegate and there were over 130 people at the delegates meeting representing over 50 schools and all the clusters.

I voted for the resolution. I don't like the DCC, but I don't think this model has been thought through yet. I'd much rather see strong local schools.

I wish the petition was written to say just that. Stop trying to divide the county into DCC vs the "rich" schools. Everyone wants this to slow down so write a petition that encompasses what we all want.

There is already a huge divide and this I’ll make it worse. The offerings are vastly different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should leave the DCC and NEC alone and make consortia in the rest of the county.

we all get that school choice = self-segregation, right?

You also get that the regional program perpetuates that self-segregation, right? Who do you think are the families that are going to sign up and be capable of supporting their kids going to a school other than their home school? Primarily white and Asian families, and to the extent that minority students are in these programs, they will be most likely upper middle-class Black and Hispanic families who can shuttle their kids to and from those schools.

Yes, exactly! I don’t support either the regional model or the consortia.

I think we should work hard at having all strong high schools with no school choice, but with that is also an end to the middle school consortium and DCC. I think my frustration over reading some of these entries is that it comes across that people want every school to be identical, which is impossible. Schools cannot run a class for 5 kids! So MCPS is doing the next best thing- making sure that every high school has a core set of advanced courses. What schools choose to do after that is that school's decision and should be based on the interests of the students they are serving and the skills of the teachers. Comparison is the thief of joy. Every school can bring something different to the table, which is a good thing. And every student has access to dual enrollment if they are ready for the most advanced classes.

Actually, MCPS is the one that wants every school to be identical. They're the ones who are flattening and dismantling unique programs and making swaps from programs that have thrived in one school to instead be housed in another that has no track record of program success in that area in the name of equity.

MCPS has started saying they want to have strong localized programming at every high school in the latest talking points of this regional program expansion, but they have not articulated in any way what that means and how they would enforce that.

They had a slide covering this in August, see p. 19:

https://www.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DKRJWU4F383C/$file/10.01%20Program%20Analysis%20Boundary%20Studies%20Comm%20Engage%20Plan%20Update%20250821%20PPT%20REV.pdf

You think that addresses what I was asking? Listing the courses, but not going into how you staff those courses, address the existing proficiency gaps in math and literacy that prevent kids from accessing the many of those courses, or the enforcement of "strong localized programs" is not articulating how this would work or make a difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should leave the DCC and NEC alone and make consortia in the rest of the county.

we all get that school choice = self-segregation, right?

You also get that the regional program perpetuates that self-segregation, right? Who do you think are the families that are going to sign up and be capable of supporting their kids going to a school other than their home school? Primarily white and Asian families, and to the extent that minority students are in these programs, they will be most likely upper middle-class Black and Hispanic families who can shuttle their kids to and from those schools.

Yes, exactly! I don’t support either the regional model or the consortia.

I think we should work hard at having all strong high schools with no school choice, but with that is also an end to the middle school consortium and DCC. I think my frustration over reading some of these entries is that it comes across that people want every school to be identical, which is impossible. Schools cannot run a class for 5 kids! So MCPS is doing the next best thing- making sure that every high school has a core set of advanced courses. What schools choose to do after that is that school's decision and should be based on the interests of the students they are serving and the skills of the teachers. Comparison is the thief of joy. Every school can bring something different to the table, which is a good thing. And every student has access to dual enrollment if they are ready for the most advanced classes.

Actually, MCPS is the one that wants every school to be identical. They're the ones who are flattening and dismantling unique programs and making swaps from programs that have thrived in one school to instead be housed in another that has no track record of program success in that area in the name of equity.

MCPS has started saying they want to have strong localized programming at every high school in the latest talking points of this regional program expansion, but they have not articulated in any way what that means and how they would enforce that.

They posted their strong offerings and it’s not more than we have now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They should leave the DCC and NEC alone and make consortia in the rest of the county.

we all get that school choice = self-segregation, right?

What else do we do when offerings are not the same?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is such a bullshit letter. We see right through this hey keep all the rich white school is the same and don’t rush anything else. GTFO

Huh? How'd you get that from the petition? It's not about favoring rich white schools at all. Did you read it?

NP- As an upcounty resident who read the petition and the comments about 50 MCCPTA delegates, I won’t be signing this petition despite agreeing with some of its points. Why? Because it seems to overwhelming focus on certain areas and not take into account the needs of many others parts of the county. This is evident by calling out Silver Spring and the DCC without even a bit of acknowledgement that others in the boundary studies experience split articulations. Further, 50 MCCPTA delegates when there is more than 200 schools, mean there vote represents less than 1/4 of the districts schools.

Folks are constantly talking about MCPS needing to reach out and communicate more and better. Seems the same can be said for this effort against MCPS.

I"m an MCCPTA delegate and there were over 130 people at the delegates meeting representing over 50 schools and all the clusters.

I voted for the resolution. I don't like the DCC, but I don't think this model has been thought through yet. I'd much rather see strong local schools.

They aren’t offering to make all the DCC schools strong so what do you consider strong? We will have to bail. This is a nightmare. We choose our home school for one child and will not for the second due to the lack of course offerings. My kid has to go to MC or somewhere else in in two years as there are not enough classes to graduate. I cannot even figure out how to make Mc work with sports and transport without me quitting my job and child dropping out of sports they’ve been doing for years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should leave the DCC and NEC alone and make consortia in the rest of the county.

we all get that school choice = self-segregation, right?

You also get that the regional program perpetuates that self-segregation, right? Who do you think are the families that are going to sign up and be capable of supporting their kids going to a school other than their home school? Primarily white and Asian families, and to the extent that minority students are in these programs, they will be most likely upper middle-class Black and Hispanic families who can shuttle their kids to and from those schools.

Yes, exactly! I don’t support either the regional model or the consortia.

I think we should work hard at having all strong high schools with no school choice, but with that is also an end to the middle school consortium and DCC. I think my frustration over reading some of these entries is that it comes across that people want every school to be identical, which is impossible. Schools cannot run a class for 5 kids! So MCPS is doing the next best thing- making sure that every high school has a core set of advanced courses. What schools choose to do after that is that school's decision and should be based on the interests of the students they are serving and the skills of the teachers. Comparison is the thief of joy. Every school can bring something different to the table, which is a good thing. And every student has access to dual enrollment if they are ready for the most advanced classes.

Actually, MCPS is the one that wants every school to be identical. They're the ones who are flattening and dismantling unique programs and making swaps from programs that have thrived in one school to instead be housed in another that has no track record of program success in that area in the name of equity.

MCPS has started saying they want to have strong localized programming at every high school in the latest talking points of this regional program expansion, but they have not articulated in any way what that means and how they would enforce that.

They posted their strong offerings and it’s not more than we have now.

+1. Every course on that slide is already at most high schools, with the possible exceptions of Calc BC and English 10 AP Seminar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is such a bullshit letter. We see right through this hey keep all the rich white school is the same and don’t rush anything else. GTFO

Huh? How'd you get that from the petition? It's not about favoring rich white schools at all. Did you read it?

NP- As an upcounty resident who read the petition and the comments about 50 MCCPTA delegates, I won’t be signing this petition despite agreeing with some of its points. Why? Because it seems to overwhelming focus on certain areas and not take into account the needs of many others parts of the county. This is evident by calling out Silver Spring and the DCC without even a bit of acknowledgement that others in the boundary studies experience split articulations. Further, 50 MCCPTA delegates when there is more than 200 schools, mean there vote represents less than 1/4 of the districts schools.

Folks are constantly talking about MCPS needing to reach out and communicate more and better. Seems the same can be said for this effort against MCPS.

You seem really triggered by other people advocating for their communities. We're not going to stop just because you want us to stfu.

DP. But pot…kettle…African American.

Huh? I have no problem with up county advocating for itself. PP doesn't seem to want to do that, just attack DCC parents.

Funny how so many people are so angry the DCC doesn't want to lose its programs but nobody has a problem with all the special classes at wealthy schools that most other schools don't have.

What makes you believe that people don’t have problems with the wealthy schools have classes that others can’t access? Once again ya’ll seem to be making statements that are false in nature without doing any research to understand the other parts of the district? Oh and no one said you had to stop advocating for your community. What they said was they wouldn’t be joining you since you’ve made it crystal clear in you and the DCC against everyone else.

That's not what's in the letter. That is a narrative you have created in your head. Sorry you won't be joining us but it sounds like you are not aligned with us and frankly just have animus towards the DCC. Maybe you work for CO since they clearly do too.

Is it a created narrative when the letter specifically calls out Silver Spring, the DCC, or SSIMS without mentioning any place else? If you wanted it to be neutral either don’t call out any school/area and make generalized comments OR include a more wide ranging look at the issues created across the district while acknowledging the vast problems and complaints this seeks to solve.

This is a petition written by people from a particular part of the county trying to organize other folks from their part of the county so of course it is going to mention issues relevant to the people they are focusing on trying to get to sign... that's not malicious or oppositional and doesn't imply not caring about other parts of the county, it's just standard organizing. You're acting like it was designed to be a countywide petition when it obviously wasn't? Like, the authors have said that people from anywhere are welcome to sign it, but if you want a countywide petition you should write one, not complain that other people didn't and that it must mean that they hate other parts of the county or are super self-centered or something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the real issue is the DCC has masked all the east county neighborhoods zoned to bellow avg schools that when perspective buyers look at the zoned schools young parents think they can pick a better school even though all the choices are meh and the best of what is available is often over capacity. I bet if you looked under the covers here you would find a bunch of sacred home owners using poor kids as their proxies even though they will never use any of the advanced programs or choices in measurable percentages.

The lowest ranked DCC schools would do a little better when more kids stay home and the middle ranked schools like Blair will do much worse when the influx dries up. Its funny the DCC doesn't want to empower the equity bounce internally within its system that they want from the richer schools. I always said be careful what you wish for in redistricting which the East county has cried for years for, Slice up Whitman all you want in any direction you will only get different rich kids, a few blocks can completely change an east county schools makeup and rarely for the better. Truth is the strongest gerrymandering is in the east county when it comes to SFH areas vs Apts.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is such a bullshit letter. We see right through this hey keep all the rich white school is the same and don’t rush anything else. GTFO

Huh? How'd you get that from the petition? It's not about favoring rich white schools at all. Did you read it?

NP- As an upcounty resident who read the petition and the comments about 50 MCCPTA delegates, I won’t be signing this petition despite agreeing with some of its points. Why? Because it seems to overwhelming focus on certain areas and not take into account the needs of many others parts of the county. This is evident by calling out Silver Spring and the DCC without even a bit of acknowledgement that others in the boundary studies experience split articulations. Further, 50 MCCPTA delegates when there is more than 200 schools, mean there vote represents less than 1/4 of the districts schools.

Folks are constantly talking about MCPS needing to reach out and communicate more and better. Seems the same can be said for this effort against MCPS.

I"m an MCCPTA delegate and there were over 130 people at the delegates meeting representing over 50 schools and all the clusters.

I voted for the resolution. I don't like the DCC, but I don't think this model has been thought through yet. I'd much rather see strong local schools.

They aren’t offering to make all the DCC schools strong so what do you consider strong? We will have to bail. This is a nightmare. We choose our home school for one child and will not for the second due to the lack of course offerings. My kid has to go to MC or somewhere else in in two years as there are not enough classes to graduate. I cannot even figure out how to make Mc work with sports and transport without me quitting my job and child dropping out of sports they’ve been doing for years.

The East county schools are strong. However, we can’t change the students who live close to them to give the demographics that you seem to want. Everyone is opposed to longer bussing. Therefore the schools are going to reflect the students in that neighborhood. If your student is an outlier, then you will need to figure out MC. If you really believe that other schools are so much better, then MOVE. Otherwise, appreciate that MCPS is working hard to make sure that all schools offer some high level classes.