Sign Petition Asking for Boundaries Now, Programs Later

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Anonymous wrote:MVC lady has moved on the linear algebra. The point is the same.

I'm not the MVC lady.

Whitman has 3 different AP physics classes while many schools have none. That is just one example.

That seems a little unnecessary?

Apparently these are good classes to do if you want to get into a good engineering program. Too bad if your school offers none of them.

Ok but colleges know if your school doesn’t have these classes and wouldn’t expect you to have taken them.

Fair enough, I guess Whitman kids don't necessarily get an admissions advantage but will be vastly better prepared. Good for them. But let's not pretend that the DCC is this uniquely privileged area when schools like Whitman have massive numbers of advanced math, science and social studies courses that other schools don't have. Taking away the DCC and putting magnets at Whitman and BCC (for Region 1) is absurd and to call that "equity" is beyond offensive.

They’re not putting anything new at BCC (IB is already there) and you’re getting a new magnet at your school, actually you will have multiple magnets in different areas (medical AND visual arts) plus you will retain IB just for zoned students at Einstein. And your overcrowding will be relieved. And you can access ANY of the magnets at the schools in your region, some of which are much better than Einstein and offer 3 physics classes and MVC. But you are unsatisfied.

Oh and you are in the region with Blair and can also access SMCS with reduced competition. It’s hard to understand what more you could possibly want other than Einstein offering bespoke classes for their 1 percenters.

Many SMCS teachers have said they will be moving to other schools to have shorter commutes. It won't be the same program.

Thanks for asking what I want. Not that it matters, but I want no magnets at wealthy schools that already have academically advanced cohorts and plenty of programs for kids at the home school.

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Anonymous wrote:MVC lady has moved on the linear algebra. The point is the same.

I'm not the MVC lady.

Whitman has 3 different AP physics classes while many schools have none. That is just one example.

That seems a little unnecessary?

Apparently these are good classes to do if you want to get into a good engineering program. Too bad if your school offers none of them.

Ok but colleges know if your school doesn’t have these classes and wouldn’t expect you to have taken them.

Fair enough, I guess Whitman kids don't necessarily get an admissions advantage but will be vastly better prepared. Good for them. But let's not pretend that the DCC is this uniquely privileged area when schools like Whitman have massive numbers of advanced math, science and social studies courses that other schools don't have. Taking away the DCC and putting magnets at Whitman and BCC (for Region 1) is absurd and to call that "equity" is beyond offensive.

They’re not putting anything new at BCC (IB is already there) and you’re getting a new magnet at your school, actually you will have multiple magnets in different areas (medical AND visual arts) plus you will retain IB just for zoned students at Einstein. And your overcrowding will be relieved. And you can access ANY of the magnets at the schools in your region, some of which are much better than Einstein and offer 3 physics classes and MVC. But you are unsatisfied.

Oh and you are in the region with Blair and can also access SMCS with reduced competition. It’s hard to understand what more you could possibly want other than Einstein offering bespoke classes for their 1 percenters.

Many SMCS teachers have said they will be moving to other schools to have shorter commutes. It won't be the same program.

Thanks for asking what I want. Not that it matters, but I want no magnets at wealthy schools that already have academically advanced cohorts and plenty of programs for kids at the home school.

Also the magnets should ONLY be for FARMS kids.

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Anonymous wrote:MVC lady has moved on the linear algebra. The point is the same.

I'm not the MVC lady.

Whitman has 3 different AP physics classes while many schools have none. That is just one example.

That seems a little unnecessary?

Apparently these are good classes to do if you want to get into a good engineering program. Too bad if your school offers none of them.

Ok but colleges know if your school doesn’t have these classes and wouldn’t expect you to have taken them.

Fair enough, I guess Whitman kids don't necessarily get an admissions advantage but will be vastly better prepared. Good for them. But let's not pretend that the DCC is this uniquely privileged area when schools like Whitman have massive numbers of advanced math, science and social studies courses that other schools don't have. Taking away the DCC and putting magnets at Whitman and BCC (for Region 1) is absurd and to call that "equity" is beyond offensive.

They’re not putting anything new at BCC (IB is already there) and you’re getting a new magnet at your school, actually you will have multiple magnets in different areas (medical AND visual arts) plus you will retain IB just for zoned students at Einstein. And your overcrowding will be relieved. And you can access ANY of the magnets at the schools in your region, some of which are much better than Einstein and offer 3 physics classes and MVC. But you are unsatisfied.

Oh and you are in the region with Blair and can also access SMCS with reduced competition. It’s hard to understand what more you could possibly want other than Einstein offering bespoke classes for their 1 percenters.

Many SMCS teachers have said they will be moving to other schools to have shorter commutes. It won't be the same program.

Thanks for asking what I want. Not that it matters, but I want no magnets at wealthy schools that already have academically advanced cohorts and plenty of programs for kids at the home school.

Also the magnets should ONLY be for FARMS kids.

I'm sorry what?

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Right now the magnets are dominated by kids from rich schools who come to poorer schools, when they can just stay at their home schools and get advanced class work.

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Anonymous wrote:MVC lady has moved on the linear algebra. The point is the same.

I'm not the MVC lady.

Whitman has 3 different AP physics classes while many schools have none. That is just one example.

That seems a little unnecessary?

Apparently these are good classes to do if you want to get into a good engineering program. Too bad if your school offers none of them.

Ok but colleges know if your school doesn’t have these classes and wouldn’t expect you to have taken them.

Fair enough, I guess Whitman kids don't necessarily get an admissions advantage but will be vastly better prepared. Good for them. But let's not pretend that the DCC is this uniquely privileged area when schools like Whitman have massive numbers of advanced math, science and social studies courses that other schools don't have. Taking away the DCC and putting magnets at Whitman and BCC (for Region 1) is absurd and to call that "equity" is beyond offensive.

They’re not putting anything new at BCC (IB is already there) and you’re getting a new magnet at your school, actually you will have multiple magnets in different areas (medical AND visual arts) plus you will retain IB just for zoned students at Einstein. And your overcrowding will be relieved. And you can access ANY of the magnets at the schools in your region, some of which are much better than Einstein and offer 3 physics classes and MVC. But you are unsatisfied.

Oh and you are in the region with Blair and can also access SMCS with reduced competition. It’s hard to understand what more you could possibly want other than Einstein offering bespoke classes for their 1 percenters.

Many SMCS teachers have said they will be moving to other schools to have shorter commutes. It won't be the same program.

Thanks for asking what I want. Not that it matters, but I want no magnets at wealthy schools that already have academically advanced cohorts and plenty of programs for kids at the home school.

Also the magnets should ONLY be for FARMS kids.

I'm sorry what?

They are just a cover for not offering poorer Black and Brown kids advanced education.

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Anonymous wrote:MVC lady has moved on the linear algebra. The point is the same.

I'm not the MVC lady.

Whitman has 3 different AP physics classes while many schools have none. That is just one example.

That seems a little unnecessary?

Apparently these are good classes to do if you want to get into a good engineering program. Too bad if your school offers none of them.

Ok but colleges know if your school doesn’t have these classes and wouldn’t expect you to have taken them.

Fair enough, I guess Whitman kids don't necessarily get an admissions advantage but will be vastly better prepared. Good for them. But let's not pretend that the DCC is this uniquely privileged area when schools like Whitman have massive numbers of advanced math, science and social studies courses that other schools don't have. Taking away the DCC and putting magnets at Whitman and BCC (for Region 1) is absurd and to call that "equity" is beyond offensive.

They’re not putting anything new at BCC (IB is already there) and you’re getting a new magnet at your school, actually you will have multiple magnets in different areas (medical AND visual arts) plus you will retain IB just for zoned students at Einstein. And your overcrowding will be relieved. And you can access ANY of the magnets at the schools in your region, some of which are much better than Einstein and offer 3 physics classes and MVC. But you are unsatisfied.

Oh and you are in the region with Blair and can also access SMCS with reduced competition. It’s hard to understand what more you could possibly want other than Einstein offering bespoke classes for their 1 percenters.

Many SMCS teachers have said they will be moving to other schools to have shorter commutes. It won't be the same program.

Thanks for asking what I want. Not that it matters, but I want no magnets at wealthy schools that already have academically advanced cohorts and plenty of programs for kids at the home school.

Also the magnets should ONLY be for FARMS kids.

I'm sorry what?

I'm the person that said no magnets at wealthy schools. I didn't write the above. I think it's a terrible idea for several reasons (and I personally don't think my child would be admitted to a magnet or benefit from attending one, what I most want for my kid is a strong home school)

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The non FARMS kids in the high-FARMS schools can just get the spots on the magnet classes that are not taken by the magnet kids (who will be FARMS kids). That would be the best use of resources and help correct historical inequities.

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Anonymous wrote:Right now the magnets are dominated by kids from rich schools who come to poorer schools, when they can just stay at their home schools and get advanced class work.

Well since the new magnets will not be properly staffed or supported I think this problem will resolve itself

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Anonymous wrote:MVC lady has moved on the linear algebra. The point is the same.

I'm not the MVC lady.

Whitman has 3 different AP physics classes while many schools have none. That is just one example.

That seems a little unnecessary?

Apparently these are good classes to do if you want to get into a good engineering program. Too bad if your school offers none of them.

Ok but colleges know if your school doesn’t have these classes and wouldn’t expect you to have taken them.

Fair enough, I guess Whitman kids don't necessarily get an admissions advantage but will be vastly better prepared. Good for them. But let's not pretend that the DCC is this uniquely privileged area when schools like Whitman have massive numbers of advanced math, science and social studies courses that other schools don't have. Taking away the DCC and putting magnets at Whitman and BCC (for Region 1) is absurd and to call that "equity" is beyond offensive.

They’re not putting anything new at BCC (IB is already there) and you’re getting a new magnet at your school, actually you will have multiple magnets in different areas (medical AND visual arts) plus you will retain IB just for zoned students at Einstein. And your overcrowding will be relieved. And you can access ANY of the magnets at the schools in your region, some of which are much better than Einstein and offer 3 physics classes and MVC. But you are unsatisfied.

Oh and you are in the region with Blair and can also access SMCS with reduced competition. It’s hard to understand what more you could possibly want other than Einstein offering bespoke classes for their 1 percenters.

Many SMCS teachers have said they will be moving to other schools to have shorter commutes. It won't be the same program.

Thanks for asking what I want. Not that it matters, but I want no magnets at wealthy schools that already have academically advanced cohorts and plenty of programs for kids at the home school.

Also the magnets should ONLY be for FARMS kids.

I'm sorry what?

I'm the person that said no magnets at wealthy schools. I didn't write the above. I think it's a terrible idea for several reasons (and I personally don't think my child would be admitted to a magnet or benefit from attending one, what I most want for my kid is a strong home school)

Typical resource border.

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Anonymous wrote:Guys, please ignore this one abrasive, aggressive person pushing the petition. She doesn't speak for all of us in the DCC and is clearly getting off on fighting with people.

It's probably the original person who wrote the petition who isn't in the DCC schools. Living in the DCC is not the same as going to the schools and they are protecting their interests.

Nah, I know the person who wrote it and this sounds nothing like her.

My guess is it is either 1) crazy Einstein MVC mom, who is known to have no self-awareness about appropriate behavior online and to post over and over incessantly, or 2) someone who isn't even in the DCC at all but is pretending to be to make us look bad. But it could be some other random DCC person with an axe to grind and a lot of resentment.

Regardless, the key points are 1) that is one person posting over and over again; they don't represent all of us in the DCC if they even are one of us at all, and 2) they're clearly fixing for a fight, so the best thing to do is probably to just ignore them.

You’re being hostile to others and fighting while ignoring the real concerns. Do you even have kids in MCPS? Are you the poster who posted the other day, saying you left years ago and just causing drama? Or you work for MCPS, BOE, or another group that is pushing this for their own agenda without thinking of the best interests of ALL students?

All students deserve equal access. This isn’t just about boundaries but fairness. DCC and other schools, including Upper County, offer fewer programs and opportunities. Families care about academics, safety, distance, clubs, and resources. Redrawing lines is fine, but the current plan worsens transportation and focuses only on FARMS, ignoring everything else. Many families have to go to the MS and HS's multiple times a day between drop off, pick up, then drop off and pick up again for sports and clubs, or the kids have to stay all day, leading them to be at school for 10-14 hour days (not including coming home to do homework/shower). And, this doesn't include outside sports and activities.

Lack of access to advanced math, science, and STEM drives families to Blair, Wheaton, or private schools. Without expanding options, more will leave MCPS or will be forced to move. This is one reason why you see a higher Farms at these schools.

You’re the one obsessed with MVC. Families just want access to more classes — math, AP science, computer science, engineering, arts, and more humanities — at their own schools. Your kids may not want MVC, but others do. My kids may not want what your kids want, but as parents, we should all support each other's kids in being successful and supporting their interests. It's about them, not us.

What’s your goal? You attack every poster who disagrees, offer no real solutions, and just criticize and tear others down. Real equity means giving all students access to the same opportunities. MCPS needs to figure out a plan to meet all students' needs if they choose to implement this regional model.

I am not disagreeing with you on the substance. But I think your time and approach (and the frequency with which you post) are profoundly counterproductive to your goals and makes us all (parents of DCC-area kids) look bad. Please consider using some self-restraint

Sorry, tone and approach.

It is the MVC person. She will never quit.

There are more than just one person who feel that academic opportunities in publicly funded schools should not largely be determined by one's location. MVC is a convenient example, as the current MCPS paradigm for offering classes at a school results in the class being offered at some, but not at others, despite there being students at the ones not offering it with equivalent needs to students at the ones that do offer it.

I think the "Save the DCC" sentiment would be far less if there were not such blatant examples of lack of equivalent opportunity and there were not the refusal of MCPS to clearly and unequivocally address that to a standard of reasonable equivalence in their regions plan -- the one chance they are giving themselves to get this right in any near term. Even though the DCC doesn't guarantee it, either, it would seem to offer better chances vs. the current proposal.

They ARE saying they will guarantee access to a set of higher level classes at all schools. It just may not go as high as MVC lady wants because she over accelerated her kid beyond the typical most rigorous pathway.

As stated by others, the set they are guaranteeing is notably short of broad/deep enough to meet the need, and largely already in place, much less robust enough to approach school-zone-to-school-zone relative equity. There's no real change for nearly all schools in guaranteeing AP Calc BC, for example.

Your strawman argument of the "MVC lady" overaccelerating her DC holds no water. Those in standard MCPS Math acceleration (4/5, 5/6, PreAlgebra) get to AP Calc BC in Junior year, even outside of magnets (unless forced to take AB and then largely repeat the content the next year in BC, which is that toward which the less fortunate students at some of these lower-offering schools are steered). Telling some of those kids who aim towards Math, a hard science or many engineering majors that they don't have the option in Senior year of the natural sequence, which is MVC, simply due to their not being zoned to an MCPS school that offers it is the problem.

This will be even more the problem when Integrated Algebra 1 & 2 take the place of Algebra 1, Geometry & Algebra 2 in 2027-28, where those same mathy kids will end up in Calc in Sophomore year.

Go chase after the Dr. Li/Algebra in 6th (or 5th) families with your misdirected hyperbole.

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Anonymous wrote:The non FARMS kids in the high-FARMS schools can just get the spots on the magnet classes that are not taken by the magnet kids (who will be FARMS kids). That would be the best use of resources and help correct historical inequities.

You are saying the FARMS kids will have to travel and the non FARMS kids won't. That is pathological. And it will fail because most of these kids will not be able to swing an hour long commute each way.

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Anonymous wrote:The non FARMS kids in the high-FARMS schools can just get the spots on the magnet classes that are not taken by the magnet kids (who will be FARMS kids). That would be the best use of resources and help correct historical inequities.

You are saying the FARMS kids will have to travel and the non FARMS kids won't. That is pathological. And it will fail because most of these kids will not be able to swing an hour long commute each way.

No the FARMS kids will have all of the magnet spots in their home schools.

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They don’t have the resources to travel anyway so it’s better to just offer them all of the magnet spots in their home schools.

This is a better outcome than the present.

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Anonymous wrote:MVC lady has moved on the linear algebra. The point is the same.

I'm not the MVC lady.

Whitman has 3 different AP physics classes while many schools have none. That is just one example.

That seems a little unnecessary?

Apparently these are good classes to do if you want to get into a good engineering program. Too bad if your school offers none of them.

Ok but colleges know if your school doesn’t have these classes and wouldn’t expect you to have taken them.

Fair enough, I guess Whitman kids don't necessarily get an admissions advantage but will be vastly better prepared. Good for them. But let's not pretend that the DCC is this uniquely privileged area when schools like Whitman have massive numbers of advanced math, science and social studies courses that other schools don't have. Taking away the DCC and putting magnets at Whitman and BCC (for Region 1) is absurd and to call that "equity" is beyond offensive.

They’re not putting anything new at BCC (IB is already there) and you’re getting a new magnet at your school, actually you will have multiple magnets in different areas (medical AND visual arts) plus you will retain IB just for zoned students at Einstein. And your overcrowding will be relieved. And you can access ANY of the magnets at the schools in your region, some of which are much better than Einstein and offer 3 physics classes and MVC. But you are unsatisfied.

Oh and you are in the region with Blair and can also access SMCS with reduced competition. It’s hard to understand what more you could possibly want other than Einstein offering bespoke classes for their 1 percenters.

Many SMCS teachers have said they will be moving to other schools to have shorter commutes. It won't be the same program.

Thanks for asking what I want. Not that it matters, but I want no magnets at wealthy schools that already have academically advanced cohorts and plenty of programs for kids at the home school.

Also the magnets should ONLY be for FARMS kids.

That makes no sense as some of the schools without offerings are a mix of farms and not farms. You are going to punish the non-farms kids at these schools. The should be saved for specific schools without the strong course offerings.

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Anonymous wrote:They don’t have the resources to travel anyway so it’s better to just offer them all of the magnet spots in their home schools.

This is a better outcome than the present.

Oh I see, I misunderstood your proposal.

I think it is wildly optimistic and I don't think the FARMS kids would fill those home school spots. But I would definitely support giving them priority. I just don't think it would make much of a difference.