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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

There was a period when the government said fat was bad for you, and low-fat (high sugar) magically appeared. It was also cheaper because HFCS is subsidized indirectly by the government.

It's easy to overeat sugary foods.

Are you that gullible? That sounds like people who thought eating Snackwells were virtuous.

Are you telling me to question the advice of the CDC and the FDA and do my own research? That sounds a bit like an antivaxxer.

DP: I'm not an anti vaxxer. But if you thought eating "low fat cookies" was a good thing yes you are ridiculous. All the packaged crap is bad for you. Even cookies you make yourself with tons of sugar is bad for you. Your body does NOT need that sugar. Better to get used to Berries or apples for dessert and maybe once a week have a "real dessert". But if you eat it nightly, you are not taking care of your body

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

And salt, sugar, and meat. We need to put together a master list of things which the government should ban to improve the health of all Americans! We could have a utopia

Meat and salt can be very healthy. Lots of people have reversed multiple health conditions on an animal based diet.

The current food pyramid is what is unhealthy and it tracks with an explosion in obesity and insulin becoming a huge money maker.

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The food pyramid is wrong. We don't need grains, it lead to this obesity epidemic. Cut them out and see what it does to your body. You won't know until you give it a try

First, no, the food pyramid recommendations (which no one has ever followed anyway) did not lead to the obesity epidemic. Second, the word you are looking for in this context is “led” - I assume you also don’t understand the difference between “loose” and “lose”.

Exactly - the idea that the 40% of Americans that are obese are that way because they meticulously followed some food pyramid guidelines is so intellectually dishonest its impossible to know where to start.

The sad part is the rush to blame externalities in all this ends up neutering the ability of people from taking control of their own health. Any time you speak any form of actual truth its too mean and its shaming. The opposite of the empowerment.

Imagine being arrogant enough to think you, and only you, know "the actual truth" about the complexities of a stranger's physical health. What an AH.

Imagine being so dishonest that you decide obesity on a population level is all about elaborate exceptions and narrow medical conditions. Its impossible to even have this discussion because people always wade in here with some elaborate tale that is not at all a reflection of what is actually happening on a population level.

So, according to you, a DCUM shitposter/self-proclaimed expert, the whole problem is "fat people eat too much"?

You're a simple-minded fool, and a judgmental ass.

Unfortunately for you, the scientific consensus is exactly that. The obesity epidemic on a population level is people wildly over-consuming according to their energy needs and storing that energy as fat. Go ahead and read the literature if you have the honesty to do so. There are various reasons why that is happening, and unfortunately for you, the vast majority are not reasons where human agency and free will are entirely absent from the equation.

Or write some elaborate rant about cow feces on fruits and vegetables and how it’s impossible to be a functioning adult. A functioning adult that doesn’t eat piles of garbage, doesn’t have the need to count anything because they are eating real food, and occasionally does some exercise to emulate what the human body was designed for in the first place.

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If you do that, you almost certainly will loose weight. But keep in mind, if you are 50lbs overweight, it will take time. You might not be able to get 15K steps in initially, so start with 5-8K and cutting crap out of your diet. And know that yes, you might "feel hungry" because you have been overeating and feeding your body crap for years. But if you power thru the first 2 weeks, your cravings will diminish, and you will start to feel better. You didnt' put on those 50lbs in 1-2 months, so you will take longer than that to remove them and change your lifestyle. Only you can decide if you want to do this.

Then why the hell are so many people on this thread acting like it's their business? And the only actual argument they have to justify it is "fat people make my insurance costs go up" but these same people aren't protesting, you know, the insurance companies themselves, the deny/delay/depose/defend of it all, etc.

Hating fat people is acceptable, and some people are hateful. You either hate strangers or you don't, and it's about you either way.

Obese people cost the US healthcare system nearly $200 billion a year.

This 100%

We all pay for it when society is unhealthy. We used to get a break on our company health insurance (10+ years ago). If we did biometrics and a few other things, we saved $200 per person. Which just goes to show that they think just "informing people that they are unhealthY" and offering a few ways to change can make a difference. Because the company is only doing it to save money, they don't actually care about you, they care about the $$$

SO being fat is a way to stick it to the man? Pass me the chicken fat!!!!

Being fat means you most likely will die earlier and/or have major health issues along the way. Something that costs everyone. At some point people need to learn to take personal responsibility for themselves. And yes, I have no issue with making people pay a bit more for services if they choose to be unhealthy and not make any efforts to improve themselves.

Just like I get a discount on my auto insurance for being accident free and you might pay more because you have 2 speeding tickets and an accident in the last 2 years. That is how it should be...you made those choices now you deal with the consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

And salt, sugar, and meat. We need to put together a master list of things which the government should ban to improve the health of all Americans! We could have a utopia

Meat and salt can be very healthy. Lots of people have reversed multiple health conditions on an animal based diet.

The current food pyramid is what is unhealthy and it tracks with an explosion in obesity and insulin becoming a huge money maker.

+1

The food pyramid is wrong. We don't need grains, it lead to this obesity epidemic. Cut them out and see what it does to your body. You won't know until you give it a try

First, no, the food pyramid recommendations (which no one has ever followed anyway) did not lead to the obesity epidemic. Second, the word you are looking for in this context is “led” - I assume you also don’t understand the difference between “loose” and “lose”.

Exactly - the idea that the 40% of Americans that are obese are that way because they meticulously followed some food pyramid guidelines is so intellectually dishonest its impossible to know where to start.

The sad part is the rush to blame externalities in all this ends up neutering the ability of people from taking control of their own health. Any time you speak any form of actual truth its too mean and its shaming. The opposite of the empowerment.

Imagine being arrogant enough to think you, and only you, know "the actual truth" about the complexities of a stranger's physical health. What an AH.

Imagine being so dishonest that you decide obesity on a population level is all about elaborate exceptions and narrow medical conditions. Its impossible to even have this discussion because people always wade in here with some elaborate tale that is not at all a reflection of what is actually happening on a population level.

So, according to you, a DCUM shitposter/self-proclaimed expert, the whole problem is "fat people eat too much"?

You're a simple-minded fool, and a judgmental ass.

Unfortunately for you, the scientific consensus is exactly that. The obesity epidemic on a population level is people wildly over-consuming according to their energy needs and storing that energy as fat. Go ahead and read the literature if you have the honesty to do so. There are various reasons why that is happening, and unfortunately for you, the vast majority are not reasons where human agency and free will are entirely absent from the equation.

Or write some elaborate rant about cow feces on fruits and vegetables and how it’s impossible to be a functioning adult. A functioning adult that doesn’t eat piles of garbage, doesn’t have the need to count anything because they are eating real food, and occasionally does some exercise to emulate what the human body was designed for in the first place.

+1

If you do that, you almost certainly will loose weight. But keep in mind, if you are 50lbs overweight, it will take time. You might not be able to get 15K steps in initially, so start with 5-8K and cutting crap out of your diet. And know that yes, you might "feel hungry" because you have been overeating and feeding your body crap for years. But if you power thru the first 2 weeks, your cravings will diminish, and you will start to feel better. You didnt' put on those 50lbs in 1-2 months, so you will take longer than that to remove them and change your lifestyle. Only you can decide if you want to do this.

Then why the hell are so many people on this thread acting like it's their business? And the only actual argument they have to justify it is "fat people make my insurance costs go up" but these same people aren't protesting, you know, the insurance companies themselves, the deny/delay/depose/defend of it all, etc.

Hating fat people is acceptable, and some people are hateful. You either hate strangers or you don't, and it's about you either way.

Obese people cost the US healthcare system nearly $200 billion a year.

Based on data from 2021-2023, about 40% of US adults are obese, more than any country in Europe, Central America or South America. For 1999-2000, the US obesity rate was 30%.

If this doesn't scream systemic problem to you, nobody can help you.

It's a systemic problem because nobody is willing to tell people how to change their diets! And the patients are not willing to get nutritional counseling and follow it.
It's not that difficult. Eat whole Foods, make 60-75% of your plate veggies and the rest good protein source. And no, corn is NOT a veggie. Cut out grains and get your carbs from veggies and fruits. But remember to limit your overall carbs to "diabetic diet levels"---so nope, you cannot eat 3 bags of sweet potato chips and unlimited fruit all day---you need to watch your carb count.

No need for chips, cookies, anything with added sugars. If you are hungry, have a glass of water, and if in 10 mins you are still hungry then snack on some carrots/celery/radishes/veggies and dip them in guac.

If you do that, 99% of people will loose weight and be healthier. Continue it as a lifestyle.

It's only systemic because people think "breakfast should be cereal or toast" and lunch is a sandwich---but no fruit or veggies and basically it's just bread/carbs. Snacks are all mostly junk food and make you crave more snacks.
Then dinner is pizza or fast food.

I don't know anyone overweight/obese who eats mostly whole foods and attempts to limit carbs (ie Diabetic diet rules).

Then if you add in exercise---walking, everyone can do that. It will help even more

Are they more "willing" in Europe? Sounds like we need ourselves a good old nanny state.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

And salt, sugar, and meat. We need to put together a master list of things which the government should ban to improve the health of all Americans! We could have a utopia

Meat and salt can be very healthy. Lots of people have reversed multiple health conditions on an animal based diet.

The current food pyramid is what is unhealthy and it tracks with an explosion in obesity and insulin becoming a huge money maker.

+1

The food pyramid is wrong. We don't need grains, it lead to this obesity epidemic. Cut them out and see what it does to your body. You won't know until you give it a try

First, no, the food pyramid recommendations (which no one has ever followed anyway) did not lead to the obesity epidemic. Second, the word you are looking for in this context is “led” - I assume you also don’t understand the difference between “loose” and “lose”.

Exactly - the idea that the 40% of Americans that are obese are that way because they meticulously followed some food pyramid guidelines is so intellectually dishonest its impossible to know where to start.

The sad part is the rush to blame externalities in all this ends up neutering the ability of people from taking control of their own health. Any time you speak any form of actual truth its too mean and its shaming. The opposite of the empowerment.

Imagine being arrogant enough to think you, and only you, know "the actual truth" about the complexities of a stranger's physical health. What an AH.

Imagine being so dishonest that you decide obesity on a population level is all about elaborate exceptions and narrow medical conditions. Its impossible to even have this discussion because people always wade in here with some elaborate tale that is not at all a reflection of what is actually happening on a population level.

So, according to you, a DCUM shitposter/self-proclaimed expert, the whole problem is "fat people eat too much"?

You're a simple-minded fool, and a judgmental ass.

Unfortunately for you, the scientific consensus is exactly that. The obesity epidemic on a population level is people wildly over-consuming according to their energy needs and storing that energy as fat. Go ahead and read the literature if you have the honesty to do so. There are various reasons why that is happening, and unfortunately for you, the vast majority are not reasons where human agency and free will are entirely absent from the equation.

Or write some elaborate rant about cow feces on fruits and vegetables and how it’s impossible to be a functioning adult. A functioning adult that doesn’t eat piles of garbage, doesn’t have the need to count anything because they are eating real food, and occasionally does some exercise to emulate what the human body was designed for in the first place.

+1

If you do that, you almost certainly will loose weight. But keep in mind, if you are 50lbs overweight, it will take time. You might not be able to get 15K steps in initially, so start with 5-8K and cutting crap out of your diet. And know that yes, you might "feel hungry" because you have been overeating and feeding your body crap for years. But if you power thru the first 2 weeks, your cravings will diminish, and you will start to feel better. You didnt' put on those 50lbs in 1-2 months, so you will take longer than that to remove them and change your lifestyle. Only you can decide if you want to do this.

Then why the hell are so many people on this thread acting like it's their business? And the only actual argument they have to justify it is "fat people make my insurance costs go up" but these same people aren't protesting, you know, the insurance companies themselves, the deny/delay/depose/defend of it all, etc.

Hating fat people is acceptable, and some people are hateful. You either hate strangers or you don't, and it's about you either way.

Obese people cost the US healthcare system nearly $200 billion a year.

Based on data from 2021-2023, about 40% of US adults are obese, more than any country in Europe, Central America or South America. For 1999-2000, the US obesity rate was 30%.

If this doesn't scream systemic problem to you, nobody can help you.

It's a systemic problem because nobody is willing to tell people how to change their diets! And the patients are not willing to get nutritional counseling and follow it.
It's not that difficult. Eat whole Foods, make 60-75% of your plate veggies and the rest good protein source. And no, corn is NOT a veggie. Cut out grains and get your carbs from veggies and fruits. But remember to limit your overall carbs to "diabetic diet levels"---so nope, you cannot eat 3 bags of sweet potato chips and unlimited fruit all day---you need to watch your carb count.

No need for chips, cookies, anything with added sugars. If you are hungry, have a glass of water, and if in 10 mins you are still hungry then snack on some carrots/celery/radishes/veggies and dip them in guac.

If you do that, 99% of people will loose weight and be healthier. Continue it as a lifestyle.

It's only systemic because people think "breakfast should be cereal or toast" and lunch is a sandwich---but no fruit or veggies and basically it's just bread/carbs. Snacks are all mostly junk food and make you crave more snacks.
Then dinner is pizza or fast food.

I don't know anyone overweight/obese who eats mostly whole foods and attempts to limit carbs (ie Diabetic diet rules).

Then if you add in exercise---walking, everyone can do that. It will help even more

Assclown, I'm disabled, and can't always walk, so no, "everyone" can't do that.

That your position is apparently "fat people wouldn't be fat if skinny people lectured them more" illustrates a large part of the problem. You're clueless, your point is grossly oversimplified and myopically biased by your own experience(s), and lectures and shaming only incite rebellion and/or depression (which can lead to overeating because sugar=dopamine).

So maybe just mind your own business, since you allege that simply minding one's business once told how is so easy to do?

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

There was a period when the government said fat was bad for you, and low-fat (high sugar) magically appeared. It was also cheaper because HFCS is subsidized indirectly by the government.

It's easy to overeat sugary foods.

Are you that gullible? That sounds like people who thought eating Snackwells were virtuous.

Are you telling me to question the advice of the CDC and the FDA and do my own research? That sounds a bit like an antivaxxer.

DP: I'm not an anti vaxxer. But if you thought eating "low fat cookies" was a good thing yes you are ridiculous. All the packaged crap is bad for you. Even cookies you make yourself with tons of sugar is bad for you. Your body does NOT need that sugar. Better to get used to Berries or apples for dessert and maybe once a week have a "real dessert". But if you eat it nightly, you are not taking care of your body

You can't deny that the government was proclaiming low fat as a healthy diet. Regardless of what it was, foods were suddenly advertised as low fat where all the fat had been replaced with sugar. And it was usually more calories to make it taste as good as the full fat product.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

There was a period when the government said fat was bad for you, and low-fat (high sugar) magically appeared. It was also cheaper because HFCS is subsidized indirectly by the government.

It's easy to overeat sugary foods.

Are you that gullible? That sounds like people who thought eating Snackwells were virtuous.

Are you telling me to question the advice of the CDC and the FDA and do my own research? That sounds a bit like an antivaxxer.

I have a high degree of confidence neither of those organizations would suggest eating low fat Oreos.

Not directly. But they didn't have nuance to their messaging either.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/diet/themes/lowfat.html

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

There was a period when the government said fat was bad for you, and low-fat (high sugar) magically appeared. It was also cheaper because HFCS is subsidized indirectly by the government.

It's easy to overeat sugary foods.

Are you that gullible? That sounds like people who thought eating Snackwells were virtuous.

Are you telling me to question the advice of the CDC and the FDA and do my own research? That sounds a bit like an antivaxxer.

DP: I'm not an anti vaxxer. But if you thought eating "low fat cookies" was a good thing yes you are ridiculous. All the packaged crap is bad for you. Even cookies you make yourself with tons of sugar is bad for you. Your body does NOT need that sugar. Better to get used to Berries or apples for dessert and maybe once a week have a "real dessert". But if you eat it nightly, you are not taking care of your body

You can't deny that the government was proclaiming low fat as a healthy diet. Regardless of what it was, foods were suddenly advertised as low fat where all the fat had been replaced with sugar. And it was usually more calories to make it taste as good as the full fat product.

Dude, this dumb argument is so ancient. That was 30 years ago.

People don’t live under rocks and aren’t ill informed. They are just addicted to too much yum yums.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

There was a period when the government said fat was bad for you, and low-fat (high sugar) magically appeared. It was also cheaper because HFCS is subsidized indirectly by the government.

It's easy to overeat sugary foods.

Are you that gullible? That sounds like people who thought eating Snackwells were virtuous.

Are you telling me to question the advice of the CDC and the FDA and do my own research? That sounds a bit like an antivaxxer.

DP: I'm not an anti vaxxer. But if you thought eating "low fat cookies" was a good thing yes you are ridiculous. All the packaged crap is bad for you. Even cookies you make yourself with tons of sugar is bad for you. Your body does NOT need that sugar. Better to get used to Berries or apples for dessert and maybe once a week have a "real dessert". But if you eat it nightly, you are not taking care of your body

You can't deny that the government was proclaiming low fat as a healthy diet. Regardless of what it was, foods were suddenly advertised as low fat where all the fat had been replaced with sugar. And it was usually more calories to make it taste as good as the full fat product.

Dude, this dumb argument is so ancient. That was 30 years ago.

People don’t live under rocks and aren’t ill informed. They are just addicted to too much yum yums.

Is it because of all the immigrants or because of the Black people? I'm trying to understand why other countries have much, much lower obesity rates.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

And salt, sugar, and meat. We need to put together a master list of things which the government should ban to improve the health of all Americans! We could have a utopia

Meat and salt can be very healthy. Lots of people have reversed multiple health conditions on an animal based diet.

The current food pyramid is what is unhealthy and it tracks with an explosion in obesity and insulin becoming a huge money maker.

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The food pyramid is wrong. We don't need grains, it lead to this obesity epidemic. Cut them out and see what it does to your body. You won't know until you give it a try

First, no, the food pyramid recommendations (which no one has ever followed anyway) did not lead to the obesity epidemic. Second, the word you are looking for in this context is “led” - I assume you also don’t understand the difference between “loose” and “lose”.

Exactly - the idea that the 40% of Americans that are obese are that way because they meticulously followed some food pyramid guidelines is so intellectually dishonest its impossible to know where to start.

The sad part is the rush to blame externalities in all this ends up neutering the ability of people from taking control of their own health. Any time you speak any form of actual truth its too mean and its shaming. The opposite of the empowerment.

Imagine being arrogant enough to think you, and only you, know "the actual truth" about the complexities of a stranger's physical health. What an AH.

Imagine being so dishonest that you decide obesity on a population level is all about elaborate exceptions and narrow medical conditions. Its impossible to even have this discussion because people always wade in here with some elaborate tale that is not at all a reflection of what is actually happening on a population level.

So, according to you, a DCUM shitposter/self-proclaimed expert, the whole problem is "fat people eat too much"?

You're a simple-minded fool, and a judgmental ass.

Unfortunately for you, the scientific consensus is exactly that. The obesity epidemic on a population level is people wildly over-consuming according to their energy needs and storing that energy as fat. Go ahead and read the literature if you have the honesty to do so. There are various reasons why that is happening, and unfortunately for you, the vast majority are not reasons where human agency and free will are entirely absent from the equation.

Or write some elaborate rant about cow feces on fruits and vegetables and how it’s impossible to be a functioning adult. A functioning adult that doesn’t eat piles of garbage, doesn’t have the need to count anything because they are eating real food, and occasionally does some exercise to emulate what the human body was designed for in the first place.

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If you do that, you almost certainly will loose weight. But keep in mind, if you are 50lbs overweight, it will take time. You might not be able to get 15K steps in initially, so start with 5-8K and cutting crap out of your diet. And know that yes, you might "feel hungry" because you have been overeating and feeding your body crap for years. But if you power thru the first 2 weeks, your cravings will diminish, and you will start to feel better. You didnt' put on those 50lbs in 1-2 months, so you will take longer than that to remove them and change your lifestyle. Only you can decide if you want to do this.

Then why the hell are so many people on this thread acting like it's their business? And the only actual argument they have to justify it is "fat people make my insurance costs go up" but these same people aren't protesting, you know, the insurance companies themselves, the deny/delay/depose/defend of it all, etc.

Hating fat people is acceptable, and some people are hateful. You either hate strangers or you don't, and it's about you either way.

Obese people cost the US healthcare system nearly $200 billion a year.

Based on data from 2021-2023, about 40% of US adults are obese, more than any country in Europe, Central America or South America. For 1999-2000, the US obesity rate was 30%.

If this doesn't scream systemic problem to you, nobody can help you.

It's a systemic problem because nobody is willing to tell people how to change their diets! And the patients are not willing to get nutritional counseling and follow it.
It's not that difficult. Eat whole Foods, make 60-75% of your plate veggies and the rest good protein source. And no, corn is NOT a veggie. Cut out grains and get your carbs from veggies and fruits. But remember to limit your overall carbs to "diabetic diet levels"---so nope, you cannot eat 3 bags of sweet potato chips and unlimited fruit all day---you need to watch your carb count.

No need for chips, cookies, anything with added sugars. If you are hungry, have a glass of water, and if in 10 mins you are still hungry then snack on some carrots/celery/radishes/veggies and dip them in guac.

If you do that, 99% of people will loose weight and be healthier. Continue it as a lifestyle.

It's only systemic because people think "breakfast should be cereal or toast" and lunch is a sandwich---but no fruit or veggies and basically it's just bread/carbs. Snacks are all mostly junk food and make you crave more snacks.
Then dinner is pizza or fast food.

I don't know anyone overweight/obese who eats mostly whole foods and attempts to limit carbs (ie Diabetic diet rules).

Then if you add in exercise---walking, everyone can do that. It will help even more

Pizza as a “meal” is a real problem here. Especially with kids. It’s literally nothing but sugar and chemicals and maybe a tiny bit of protein and bad fat in the form of cheese. It’s gross and it’s very unhealthy and yet it’s literally everywhere. I guess because it’s cheap. But it’s not food and it’s certainly not an appropriate meal for growing kids.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

And salt, sugar, and meat. We need to put together a master list of things which the government should ban to improve the health of all Americans! We could have a utopia

Meat and salt can be very healthy. Lots of people have reversed multiple health conditions on an animal based diet.

The current food pyramid is what is unhealthy and it tracks with an explosion in obesity and insulin becoming a huge money maker.

+1

The food pyramid is wrong. We don't need grains, it lead to this obesity epidemic. Cut them out and see what it does to your body. You won't know until you give it a try

First, no, the food pyramid recommendations (which no one has ever followed anyway) did not lead to the obesity epidemic. Second, the word you are looking for in this context is “led” - I assume you also don’t understand the difference between “loose” and “lose”.

Exactly - the idea that the 40% of Americans that are obese are that way because they meticulously followed some food pyramid guidelines is so intellectually dishonest its impossible to know where to start.

The sad part is the rush to blame externalities in all this ends up neutering the ability of people from taking control of their own health. Any time you speak any form of actual truth its too mean and its shaming. The opposite of the empowerment.

Imagine being arrogant enough to think you, and only you, know "the actual truth" about the complexities of a stranger's physical health. What an AH.

Imagine being so dishonest that you decide obesity on a population level is all about elaborate exceptions and narrow medical conditions. Its impossible to even have this discussion because people always wade in here with some elaborate tale that is not at all a reflection of what is actually happening on a population level.

So, according to you, a DCUM shitposter/self-proclaimed expert, the whole problem is "fat people eat too much"?

You're a simple-minded fool, and a judgmental ass.

Unfortunately for you, the scientific consensus is exactly that. The obesity epidemic on a population level is people wildly over-consuming according to their energy needs and storing that energy as fat. Go ahead and read the literature if you have the honesty to do so. There are various reasons why that is happening, and unfortunately for you, the vast majority are not reasons where human agency and free will are entirely absent from the equation.

Or write some elaborate rant about cow feces on fruits and vegetables and how it’s impossible to be a functioning adult. A functioning adult that doesn’t eat piles of garbage, doesn’t have the need to count anything because they are eating real food, and occasionally does some exercise to emulate what the human body was designed for in the first place.

+1

If you do that, you almost certainly will loose weight. But keep in mind, if you are 50lbs overweight, it will take time. You might not be able to get 15K steps in initially, so start with 5-8K and cutting crap out of your diet. And know that yes, you might "feel hungry" because you have been overeating and feeding your body crap for years. But if you power thru the first 2 weeks, your cravings will diminish, and you will start to feel better. You didnt' put on those 50lbs in 1-2 months, so you will take longer than that to remove them and change your lifestyle. Only you can decide if you want to do this.

Then why the hell are so many people on this thread acting like it's their business? And the only actual argument they have to justify it is "fat people make my insurance costs go up" but these same people aren't protesting, you know, the insurance companies themselves, the deny/delay/depose/defend of it all, etc.

Hating fat people is acceptable, and some people are hateful. You either hate strangers or you don't, and it's about you either way.

Obese people cost the US healthcare system nearly $200 billion a year.

Based on data from 2021-2023, about 40% of US adults are obese, more than any country in Europe, Central America or South America. For 1999-2000, the US obesity rate was 30%.

If this doesn't scream systemic problem to you, nobody can help you.

It's a systemic problem because nobody is willing to tell people how to change their diets! And the patients are not willing to get nutritional counseling and follow it.
It's not that difficult. Eat whole Foods, make 60-75% of your plate veggies and the rest good protein source. And no, corn is NOT a veggie. Cut out grains and get your carbs from veggies and fruits. But remember to limit your overall carbs to "diabetic diet levels"---so nope, you cannot eat 3 bags of sweet potato chips and unlimited fruit all day---you need to watch your carb count.

No need for chips, cookies, anything with added sugars. If you are hungry, have a glass of water, and if in 10 mins you are still hungry then snack on some carrots/celery/radishes/veggies and dip them in guac.

If you do that, 99% of people will loose weight and be healthier. Continue it as a lifestyle.

It's only systemic because people think "breakfast should be cereal or toast" and lunch is a sandwich---but no fruit or veggies and basically it's just bread/carbs. Snacks are all mostly junk food and make you crave more snacks.
Then dinner is pizza or fast food.

I don't know anyone overweight/obese who eats mostly whole foods and attempts to limit carbs (ie Diabetic diet rules).

Then if you add in exercise---walking, everyone can do that. It will help even more

Pizza as a “meal” is a real problem here. Especially with kids. It’s literally nothing but sugar and chemicals and maybe a tiny bit of protein and bad fat in the form of cheese. It’s gross and it’s very unhealthy and yet it’s literally everywhere. I guess because it’s cheap. But it’s not food and it’s certainly not an appropriate meal for growing kids.

Pizza is technically a vegetable.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

There was a period when the government said fat was bad for you, and low-fat (high sugar) magically appeared. It was also cheaper because HFCS is subsidized indirectly by the government.

It's easy to overeat sugary foods.

Are you that gullible? That sounds like people who thought eating Snackwells were virtuous.

Are you telling me to question the advice of the CDC and the FDA and do my own research? That sounds a bit like an antivaxxer.

DP: I'm not an anti vaxxer. But if you thought eating "low fat cookies" was a good thing yes you are ridiculous. All the packaged crap is bad for you. Even cookies you make yourself with tons of sugar is bad for you. Your body does NOT need that sugar. Better to get used to Berries or apples for dessert and maybe once a week have a "real dessert". But if you eat it nightly, you are not taking care of your body

You can't deny that the government was proclaiming low fat as a healthy diet. Regardless of what it was, foods were suddenly advertised as low fat where all the fat had been replaced with sugar. And it was usually more calories to make it taste as good as the full fat product.

Dude, this dumb argument is so ancient. That was 30 years ago.

People don’t live under rocks and aren’t ill informed. They are just addicted to too much yum yums.

Does that explain why the fad diets are so popular and we get a new one every couple of months?

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

There was a period when the government said fat was bad for you, and low-fat (high sugar) magically appeared. It was also cheaper because HFCS is subsidized indirectly by the government.

It's easy to overeat sugary foods.

Are you that gullible? That sounds like people who thought eating Snackwells were virtuous.

Are you telling me to question the advice of the CDC and the FDA and do my own research? That sounds a bit like an antivaxxer.

DP: I'm not an anti vaxxer. But if you thought eating "low fat cookies" was a good thing yes you are ridiculous. All the packaged crap is bad for you. Even cookies you make yourself with tons of sugar is bad for you. Your body does NOT need that sugar. Better to get used to Berries or apples for dessert and maybe once a week have a "real dessert". But if you eat it nightly, you are not taking care of your body

You can't deny that the government was proclaiming low fat as a healthy diet. Regardless of what it was, foods were suddenly advertised as low fat where all the fat had been replaced with sugar. And it was usually more calories to make it taste as good as the full fat product.

Dude, this dumb argument is so ancient. That was 30 years ago.

People don’t live under rocks and aren’t ill informed. They are just addicted to too much yum yums.

Is it because of all the immigrants or because of the Black people? I'm trying to understand why other countries have much, much lower obesity rates.

All the immigrants get fat when they come here. So let us know.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

There was a period when the government said fat was bad for you, and low-fat (high sugar) magically appeared. It was also cheaper because HFCS is subsidized indirectly by the government.

It's easy to overeat sugary foods.

Are you that gullible? That sounds like people who thought eating Snackwells were virtuous.

Are you telling me to question the advice of the CDC and the FDA and do my own research? That sounds a bit like an antivaxxer.

DP: I'm not an anti vaxxer. But if you thought eating "low fat cookies" was a good thing yes you are ridiculous. All the packaged crap is bad for you. Even cookies you make yourself with tons of sugar is bad for you. Your body does NOT need that sugar. Better to get used to Berries or apples for dessert and maybe once a week have a "real dessert". But if you eat it nightly, you are not taking care of your body

You can't deny that the government was proclaiming low fat as a healthy diet. Regardless of what it was, foods were suddenly advertised as low fat where all the fat had been replaced with sugar. And it was usually more calories to make it taste as good as the full fat product.

Dude, this dumb argument is so ancient. That was 30 years ago.

People don’t live under rocks and aren’t ill informed. They are just addicted to too much yum yums.

Does that explain why the fad diets are so popular and we get a new one every couple of months?

Are you dumb enough to believe every new dad diet you get every couple months? Because that’s what you are telling us when you post this stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

There was a period when the government said fat was bad for you, and low-fat (high sugar) magically appeared. It was also cheaper because HFCS is subsidized indirectly by the government.

It's easy to overeat sugary foods.

Are you that gullible? That sounds like people who thought eating Snackwells were virtuous.

Are you telling me to question the advice of the CDC and the FDA and do my own research? That sounds a bit like an antivaxxer.

I have a high degree of confidence neither of those organizations would suggest eating low fat Oreos.

Not directly. But they didn't have nuance to their messaging either.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/diet/themes/lowfat.html

I’m old enough to remember the low fat craze. No one thought eating Snackwells was actually neutral or good. Just less bad.

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As always, we have learned the same information in this thread. The continued low-fat craze from 30 years ago angle is a new one. As always, it’s the cheesecakes fault. Good to know.