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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

And salt, sugar, and meat. We need to put together a master list of things which the government should ban to improve the health of all Americans! We could have a utopia

Meat and salt can be very healthy. Lots of people have reversed multiple health conditions on an animal based diet.

The current food pyramid is what is unhealthy and it tracks with an explosion in obesity and insulin becoming a huge money maker.

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The food pyramid is wrong. We don't need grains, it lead to this obesity epidemic. Cut them out and see what it does to your body. You won't know until you give it a try

First, no, the food pyramid recommendations (which no one has ever followed anyway) did not lead to the obesity epidemic. Second, the word you are looking for in this context is “led” - I assume you also don’t understand the difference between “loose” and “lose”.

Exactly - the idea that the 40% of Americans that are obese are that way because they meticulously followed some food pyramid guidelines is so intellectually dishonest its impossible to know where to start.

The sad part is the rush to blame externalities in all this ends up neutering the ability of people from taking control of their own health. Any time you speak any form of actual truth its too mean and its shaming. The opposite of the empowerment.

Imagine being arrogant enough to think you, and only you, know "the actual truth" about the complexities of a stranger's physical health. What an AH.

Imagine being so dishonest that you decide obesity on a population level is all about elaborate exceptions and narrow medical conditions. Its impossible to even have this discussion because people always wade in here with some elaborate tale that is not at all a reflection of what is actually happening on a population level.

So, according to you, a DCUM shitposter/self-proclaimed expert, the whole problem is "fat people eat too much"?

You're a simple-minded fool, and a judgmental ass.

Unfortunately for you, the scientific consensus is exactly that. The obesity epidemic on a population level is people wildly over-consuming according to their energy needs and storing that energy as fat. Go ahead and read the literature if you have the honesty to do so. There are various reasons why that is happening, and unfortunately for you, the vast majority are not reasons where human agency and free will are entirely absent from the equation.

Or write some elaborate rant about cow feces on fruits and vegetables and how it’s impossible to be a functioning adult. A functioning adult that doesn’t eat piles of garbage, doesn’t have the need to count anything because they are eating real food, and occasionally does some exercise to emulate what the human body was designed for in the first place.

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If you do that, you almost certainly will loose weight. But keep in mind, if you are 50lbs overweight, it will take time. You might not be able to get 15K steps in initially, so start with 5-8K and cutting crap out of your diet. And know that yes, you might "feel hungry" because you have been overeating and feeding your body crap for years. But if you power thru the first 2 weeks, your cravings will diminish, and you will start to feel better. You didnt' put on those 50lbs in 1-2 months, so you will take longer than that to remove them and change your lifestyle. Only you can decide if you want to do this.

Then why the hell are so many people on this thread acting like it's their business? And the only actual argument they have to justify it is "fat people make my insurance costs go up" but these same people aren't protesting, you know, the insurance companies themselves, the deny/delay/depose/defend of it all, etc.

Hating fat people is acceptable, and some people are hateful. You either hate strangers or you don't, and it's about you either way.

You can do both things---wish insurance rates were not higher because of people who are unhealthy due to their own choices and ALSO hate the insurance companies themselves.

I also "hate" people who DUI, DUI of drugs, or are alcoholics. All things that people have control over if they want to

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

Likely well-meaning non-fat people. Or people a few pounds overweight who think they’re obese. Truly fat people have no disillusions as to the cause of their fatness.

There are many posts in here of disillusions. The mere suggestion that obesity isn’t like being hit by a bus is met with a violent reaction and long screeds about feces laden vegetables. It’s like that every time.

Again, if I had to put money on it my guess is that the people responding that way aren’t actually fat. While they might mean well, they are just as bad as the people who claim to hate obesity because of “health concerns”. The people talking about feces-laden vegetables think they are helping, but they are just reducing fat people to children who can’t take accountability. They then cause people like you to hate fat people even more because you think we are the ones saying these inane things.

What in the nonsensical victimese is this mess?! Anti-fat trolls are the real victims because they bully strangers? And if the strangers counter that bullying, at all, even with lived experience, it "causes haters to hate"?

That's some extreme psychological flexibility ya got there. Hateful people will do anything to justify their hatred so they don't have to learn how to let others simply live. But go off about how fat people are the ones who need to "be honest".

I don’t think you’re reading that post correctly. It isn’t making a victim of the trolls. How did you get there?

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

And salt, sugar, and meat. We need to put together a master list of things which the government should ban to improve the health of all Americans! We could have a utopia

Meat and salt can be very healthy. Lots of people have reversed multiple health conditions on an animal based diet.

The current food pyramid is what is unhealthy and it tracks with an explosion in obesity and insulin becoming a huge money maker.

+1

The food pyramid is wrong. We don't need grains, it lead to this obesity epidemic. Cut them out and see what it does to your body. You won't know until you give it a try

First, no, the food pyramid recommendations (which no one has ever followed anyway) did not lead to the obesity epidemic. Second, the word you are looking for in this context is “led” - I assume you also don’t understand the difference between “loose” and “lose”.

Exactly - the idea that the 40% of Americans that are obese are that way because they meticulously followed some food pyramid guidelines is so intellectually dishonest its impossible to know where to start.

The sad part is the rush to blame externalities in all this ends up neutering the ability of people from taking control of their own health. Any time you speak any form of actual truth its too mean and its shaming. The opposite of the empowerment.

Imagine being arrogant enough to think you, and only you, know "the actual truth" about the complexities of a stranger's physical health. What an AH.

Imagine being so dishonest that you decide obesity on a population level is all about elaborate exceptions and narrow medical conditions. Its impossible to even have this discussion because people always wade in here with some elaborate tale that is not at all a reflection of what is actually happening on a population level.

So, according to you, a DCUM shitposter/self-proclaimed expert, the whole problem is "fat people eat too much"?

You're a simple-minded fool, and a judgmental ass.

Unfortunately for you, the scientific consensus is exactly that. The obesity epidemic on a population level is people wildly over-consuming according to their energy needs and storing that energy as fat. Go ahead and read the literature if you have the honesty to do so. There are various reasons why that is happening, and unfortunately for you, the vast majority are not reasons where human agency and free will are entirely absent from the equation.

Or write some elaborate rant about cow feces on fruits and vegetables and how it’s impossible to be a functioning adult. A functioning adult that doesn’t eat piles of garbage, doesn’t have the need to count anything because they are eating real food, and occasionally does some exercise to emulate what the human body was designed for in the first place.

+1

If you do that, you almost certainly will loose weight. But keep in mind, if you are 50lbs overweight, it will take time. You might not be able to get 15K steps in initially, so start with 5-8K and cutting crap out of your diet. And know that yes, you might "feel hungry" because you have been overeating and feeding your body crap for years. But if you power thru the first 2 weeks, your cravings will diminish, and you will start to feel better. You didnt' put on those 50lbs in 1-2 months, so you will take longer than that to remove them and change your lifestyle. Only you can decide if you want to do this.

Then why the hell are so many people on this thread acting like it's their business? And the only actual argument they have to justify it is "fat people make my insurance costs go up" but these same people aren't protesting, you know, the insurance companies themselves, the deny/delay/depose/defend of it all, etc.

Hating fat people is acceptable, and some people are hateful. You either hate strangers or you don't, and it's about you either way.

Obese people cost the US healthcare system nearly $200 billion a year.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

And salt, sugar, and meat. We need to put together a master list of things which the government should ban to improve the health of all Americans! We could have a utopia

Meat and salt can be very healthy. Lots of people have reversed multiple health conditions on an animal based diet.

The current food pyramid is what is unhealthy and it tracks with an explosion in obesity and insulin becoming a huge money maker.

+1

The food pyramid is wrong. We don't need grains, it lead to this obesity epidemic. Cut them out and see what it does to your body. You won't know until you give it a try

First, no, the food pyramid recommendations (which no one has ever followed anyway) did not lead to the obesity epidemic. Second, the word you are looking for in this context is “led” - I assume you also don’t understand the difference between “loose” and “lose”.

Exactly - the idea that the 40% of Americans that are obese are that way because they meticulously followed some food pyramid guidelines is so intellectually dishonest its impossible to know where to start.

The sad part is the rush to blame externalities in all this ends up neutering the ability of people from taking control of their own health. Any time you speak any form of actual truth its too mean and its shaming. The opposite of the empowerment.

Imagine being arrogant enough to think you, and only you, know "the actual truth" about the complexities of a stranger's physical health. What an AH.

Imagine being so dishonest that you decide obesity on a population level is all about elaborate exceptions and narrow medical conditions. Its impossible to even have this discussion because people always wade in here with some elaborate tale that is not at all a reflection of what is actually happening on a population level.

So, according to you, a DCUM shitposter/self-proclaimed expert, the whole problem is "fat people eat too much"?

You're a simple-minded fool, and a judgmental ass.

Unfortunately for you, the scientific consensus is exactly that. The obesity epidemic on a population level is people wildly over-consuming according to their energy needs and storing that energy as fat. Go ahead and read the literature if you have the honesty to do so. There are various reasons why that is happening, and unfortunately for you, the vast majority are not reasons where human agency and free will are entirely absent from the equation.

Or write some elaborate rant about cow feces on fruits and vegetables and how it’s impossible to be a functioning adult. A functioning adult that doesn’t eat piles of garbage, doesn’t have the need to count anything because they are eating real food, and occasionally does some exercise to emulate what the human body was designed for in the first place.

+1

If you do that, you almost certainly will loose weight. But keep in mind, if you are 50lbs overweight, it will take time. You might not be able to get 15K steps in initially, so start with 5-8K and cutting crap out of your diet. And know that yes, you might "feel hungry" because you have been overeating and feeding your body crap for years. But if you power thru the first 2 weeks, your cravings will diminish, and you will start to feel better. You didnt' put on those 50lbs in 1-2 months, so you will take longer than that to remove them and change your lifestyle. Only you can decide if you want to do this.

Then why the hell are so many people on this thread acting like it's their business? And the only actual argument they have to justify it is "fat people make my insurance costs go up" but these same people aren't protesting, you know, the insurance companies themselves, the deny/delay/depose/defend of it all, etc.

Hating fat people is acceptable, and some people are hateful. You either hate strangers or you don't, and it's about you either way.

Obese people cost the US healthcare system nearly $200 billion a year.

This 100%

We all pay for it when society is unhealthy. We used to get a break on our company health insurance (10+ years ago). If we did biometrics and a few other things, we saved $200 per person. Which just goes to show that they think just "informing people that they are unhealthY" and offering a few ways to change can make a difference. Because the company is only doing it to save money, they don't actually care about you, they care about the $$$

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Anonymous wrote:In planning for the zombie apocalypse, there would be pros and cons to obesity.

The obvious pro is that you could go longer on a reduced calorie diet.

The obvious con is that you would be significantly less mobile in avoiding the zombie hordes.

This is a choose your own adventure kind of thing. How would you like to live your life in a zombie apocalypse?

I’d rather be a fast running survivor.

You can run from zombies, but you just die tired then.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

I’m 50 and so obviously I have seen attitudes towards smoking change since I was a kid. Even when smoking was commonplace, I don’t recall people blaming society or structures for smoking. Was that happening?

Then you don't understand what happened with smoking. The shift against smoking was driven by government action -- municipalities banning smoking, state AGs filing lawsuits against cigarette manufacturers for lying to the public about the addictive qualities of cigarettes and the impacts on health. Federal and state health agencies also launched campaigns to educate the public on the dangers if smoking, and the marketing of cigarettes was heavily regulated to force companies to disclose the risks and to eliminate advertising that targeted children.

The shift away from smoking was almost entirely due to societal factors, not individuals taking personal responsibility and changing behavior.

What you have described is deceptive advertising. Are you telling me that people are deceived today about the food and movement?

Come on, we all grew up being told we should eat a ton of carbs and that fat was our worst enemy. We are surrounded by ultra processed foods marketed as "healthy". Of course there is deceptive advertising.

So the US is fat because they were perceptive enough to be paying attention but stopped around the year 2000?

The problems with consuming processed carbohydrates is exceptionally well known and expressed everywhere. It’s all over media. The pamphlet at every GP physical says it in bold letters and I am confident your GP and every other one on the planet repeats that line - even with their sometimes poor understanding of nutrition.

It’s not a grand conspiracy. People don’t care and don’t want to put in the effort if they are privileged enough to avoid it. Preferring instead to dose themselves all day. Others are in a financial or socioeconomic circumstance that fights against them - that’s not the DCUM demographic for the majority of participants here.

Whoosh

The response that we grew up thinking it was good to eat ultra processed food is both incorrect and dumb. How many decades have we known to eat fruits and vegetables and lean protein? Is any doctor who has counseled otherwise in decades? What is the deception today? I understand the convience issue in the U.S. in 2025. But deception?

Bolded part "lean" is part of the food pyramid propaganda. Fat is good for you.

Even lean protein has fat.

Sometimes not enough. Eating too lean of meat too often = toxic. Rabbit meat is a traditional example of that and how many people died throughout history not knowing it.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

I’m 50 and so obviously I have seen attitudes towards smoking change since I was a kid. Even when smoking was commonplace, I don’t recall people blaming society or structures for smoking. Was that happening?

Then you don't understand what happened with smoking. The shift against smoking was driven by government action -- municipalities banning smoking, state AGs filing lawsuits against cigarette manufacturers for lying to the public about the addictive qualities of cigarettes and the impacts on health. Federal and state health agencies also launched campaigns to educate the public on the dangers if smoking, and the marketing of cigarettes was heavily regulated to force companies to disclose the risks and to eliminate advertising that targeted children.

The shift away from smoking was almost entirely due to societal factors, not individuals taking personal responsibility and changing behavior.

What you have described is deceptive advertising. Are you telling me that people are deceived today about the food and movement?

Come on, we all grew up being told we should eat a ton of carbs and that fat was our worst enemy. We are surrounded by ultra processed foods marketed as "healthy". Of course there is deceptive advertising.

So the US is fat because they were perceptive enough to be paying attention but stopped around the year 2000?

The problems with consuming processed carbohydrates is exceptionally well known and expressed everywhere. It’s all over media. The pamphlet at every GP physical says it in bold letters and I am confident your GP and every other one on the planet repeats that line - even with their sometimes poor understanding of nutrition.

It’s not a grand conspiracy. People don’t care and don’t want to put in the effort if they are privileged enough to avoid it. Preferring instead to dose themselves all day. Others are in a financial or socioeconomic circumstance that fights against them - that’s not the DCUM demographic for the majority of participants here.

Whoosh

The response that we grew up thinking it was good to eat ultra processed food is both incorrect and dumb. How many decades have we known to eat fruits and vegetables and lean protein? Is any doctor who has counseled otherwise in decades? What is the deception today? I understand the convience issue in the U.S. in 2025. But deception?

Bolded part "lean" is part of the food pyramid propaganda. Fat is good for you.

Healthy fats are good for you. If you want to stave off dementia/alzheimers, you want to give your body good fats. A steak or good quality burger is fine 1-2 times per week, but if you eat it twice a day your body will not appreciate it. You should add in fish and chicken/turkey for much of your protein.
But yes, meat/protein is not the issue typically, it's the carbs/sugars we put into our bodies

Chicken fat is one of the worst animal fats to eat. Read more, you are on the right track overall.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

There was a period when the government said fat was bad for you, and low-fat (high sugar) magically appeared. It was also cheaper because HFCS is subsidized indirectly by the government.

It's easy to overeat sugary foods.

That started in the late 1960s and still exists today. There were several reasons they pushed that unhealthy food pyramid on the public, all of them sinister.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

And salt, sugar, and meat. We need to put together a master list of things which the government should ban to improve the health of all Americans! We could have a utopia

Meat and salt can be very healthy. Lots of people have reversed multiple health conditions on an animal based diet.

The current food pyramid is what is unhealthy and it tracks with an explosion in obesity and insulin becoming a huge money maker.

+1

The food pyramid is wrong. We don't need grains, it lead to this obesity epidemic. Cut them out and see what it does to your body. You won't know until you give it a try

First, no, the food pyramid recommendations (which no one has ever followed anyway) did not lead to the obesity epidemic. Second, the word you are looking for in this context is “led” - I assume you also don’t understand the difference between “loose” and “lose”.

Exactly - the idea that the 40% of Americans that are obese are that way because they meticulously followed some food pyramid guidelines is so intellectually dishonest its impossible to know where to start.

The sad part is the rush to blame externalities in all this ends up neutering the ability of people from taking control of their own health. Any time you speak any form of actual truth its too mean and its shaming. The opposite of the empowerment.

Imagine being arrogant enough to think you, and only you, know "the actual truth" about the complexities of a stranger's physical health. What an AH.

Imagine being so dishonest that you decide obesity on a population level is all about elaborate exceptions and narrow medical conditions. Its impossible to even have this discussion because people always wade in here with some elaborate tale that is not at all a reflection of what is actually happening on a population level.

So, according to you, a DCUM shitposter/self-proclaimed expert, the whole problem is "fat people eat too much"?

You're a simple-minded fool, and a judgmental ass.

Unfortunately for you, the scientific consensus is exactly that. The obesity epidemic on a population level is people wildly over-consuming according to their energy needs and storing that energy as fat. Go ahead and read the literature if you have the honesty to do so. There are various reasons why that is happening, and unfortunately for you, the vast majority are not reasons where human agency and free will are entirely absent from the equation.

Or write some elaborate rant about cow feces on fruits and vegetables and how it’s impossible to be a functioning adult. A functioning adult that doesn’t eat piles of garbage, doesn’t have the need to count anything because they are eating real food, and occasionally does some exercise to emulate what the human body was designed for in the first place.

+1

If you do that, you almost certainly will loose weight. But keep in mind, if you are 50lbs overweight, it will take time. You might not be able to get 15K steps in initially, so start with 5-8K and cutting crap out of your diet. And know that yes, you might "feel hungry" because you have been overeating and feeding your body crap for years. But if you power thru the first 2 weeks, your cravings will diminish, and you will start to feel better. You didnt' put on those 50lbs in 1-2 months, so you will take longer than that to remove them and change your lifestyle. Only you can decide if you want to do this.

Then why the hell are so many people on this thread acting like it's their business? And the only actual argument they have to justify it is "fat people make my insurance costs go up" but these same people aren't protesting, you know, the insurance companies themselves, the deny/delay/depose/defend of it all, etc.

Hating fat people is acceptable, and some people are hateful. You either hate strangers or you don't, and it's about you either way.

Obese people cost the US healthcare system nearly $200 billion a year.

Based on data from 2021-2023, about 40% of US adults are obese, more than any country in Europe, Central America or South America. For 1999-2000, the US obesity rate was 30%.

If this doesn't scream systemic problem to you, nobody can help you.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

There was a period when the government said fat was bad for you, and low-fat (high sugar) magically appeared. It was also cheaper because HFCS is subsidized indirectly by the government.

It's easy to overeat sugary foods.

Are you that gullible? That sounds like people who thought eating Snackwells were virtuous.

Are you telling me to question the advice of the CDC and the FDA and do my own research? That sounds a bit like an antivaxxer.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

And salt, sugar, and meat. We need to put together a master list of things which the government should ban to improve the health of all Americans! We could have a utopia

Meat and salt can be very healthy. Lots of people have reversed multiple health conditions on an animal based diet.

The current food pyramid is what is unhealthy and it tracks with an explosion in obesity and insulin becoming a huge money maker.

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The food pyramid is wrong. We don't need grains, it lead to this obesity epidemic. Cut them out and see what it does to your body. You won't know until you give it a try

First, no, the food pyramid recommendations (which no one has ever followed anyway) did not lead to the obesity epidemic. Second, the word you are looking for in this context is “led” - I assume you also don’t understand the difference between “loose” and “lose”.

Exactly - the idea that the 40% of Americans that are obese are that way because they meticulously followed some food pyramid guidelines is so intellectually dishonest its impossible to know where to start.

The sad part is the rush to blame externalities in all this ends up neutering the ability of people from taking control of their own health. Any time you speak any form of actual truth its too mean and its shaming. The opposite of the empowerment.

Imagine being arrogant enough to think you, and only you, know "the actual truth" about the complexities of a stranger's physical health. What an AH.

Imagine being so dishonest that you decide obesity on a population level is all about elaborate exceptions and narrow medical conditions. Its impossible to even have this discussion because people always wade in here with some elaborate tale that is not at all a reflection of what is actually happening on a population level.

So, according to you, a DCUM shitposter/self-proclaimed expert, the whole problem is "fat people eat too much"?

You're a simple-minded fool, and a judgmental ass.

Unfortunately for you, the scientific consensus is exactly that. The obesity epidemic on a population level is people wildly over-consuming according to their energy needs and storing that energy as fat. Go ahead and read the literature if you have the honesty to do so. There are various reasons why that is happening, and unfortunately for you, the vast majority are not reasons where human agency and free will are entirely absent from the equation.

Or write some elaborate rant about cow feces on fruits and vegetables and how it’s impossible to be a functioning adult. A functioning adult that doesn’t eat piles of garbage, doesn’t have the need to count anything because they are eating real food, and occasionally does some exercise to emulate what the human body was designed for in the first place.

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If you do that, you almost certainly will loose weight. But keep in mind, if you are 50lbs overweight, it will take time. You might not be able to get 15K steps in initially, so start with 5-8K and cutting crap out of your diet. And know that yes, you might "feel hungry" because you have been overeating and feeding your body crap for years. But if you power thru the first 2 weeks, your cravings will diminish, and you will start to feel better. You didnt' put on those 50lbs in 1-2 months, so you will take longer than that to remove them and change your lifestyle. Only you can decide if you want to do this.

Then why the hell are so many people on this thread acting like it's their business? And the only actual argument they have to justify it is "fat people make my insurance costs go up" but these same people aren't protesting, you know, the insurance companies themselves, the deny/delay/depose/defend of it all, etc.

Hating fat people is acceptable, and some people are hateful. You either hate strangers or you don't, and it's about you either way.

Obese people cost the US healthcare system nearly $200 billion a year.

And greedy billionaires cost the people paying for that same healthcare system...? When you go this hard against them, I'll believe you're something other than a fatshaming asshat.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

And salt, sugar, and meat. We need to put together a master list of things which the government should ban to improve the health of all Americans! We could have a utopia

Meat and salt can be very healthy. Lots of people have reversed multiple health conditions on an animal based diet.

The current food pyramid is what is unhealthy and it tracks with an explosion in obesity and insulin becoming a huge money maker.

+1

The food pyramid is wrong. We don't need grains, it lead to this obesity epidemic. Cut them out and see what it does to your body. You won't know until you give it a try

First, no, the food pyramid recommendations (which no one has ever followed anyway) did not lead to the obesity epidemic. Second, the word you are looking for in this context is “led” - I assume you also don’t understand the difference between “loose” and “lose”.

Exactly - the idea that the 40% of Americans that are obese are that way because they meticulously followed some food pyramid guidelines is so intellectually dishonest its impossible to know where to start.

The sad part is the rush to blame externalities in all this ends up neutering the ability of people from taking control of their own health. Any time you speak any form of actual truth its too mean and its shaming. The opposite of the empowerment.

Imagine being arrogant enough to think you, and only you, know "the actual truth" about the complexities of a stranger's physical health. What an AH.

Imagine being so dishonest that you decide obesity on a population level is all about elaborate exceptions and narrow medical conditions. Its impossible to even have this discussion because people always wade in here with some elaborate tale that is not at all a reflection of what is actually happening on a population level.

So, according to you, a DCUM shitposter/self-proclaimed expert, the whole problem is "fat people eat too much"?

You're a simple-minded fool, and a judgmental ass.

Unfortunately for you, the scientific consensus is exactly that. The obesity epidemic on a population level is people wildly over-consuming according to their energy needs and storing that energy as fat. Go ahead and read the literature if you have the honesty to do so. There are various reasons why that is happening, and unfortunately for you, the vast majority are not reasons where human agency and free will are entirely absent from the equation.

Or write some elaborate rant about cow feces on fruits and vegetables and how it’s impossible to be a functioning adult. A functioning adult that doesn’t eat piles of garbage, doesn’t have the need to count anything because they are eating real food, and occasionally does some exercise to emulate what the human body was designed for in the first place.

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If you do that, you almost certainly will loose weight. But keep in mind, if you are 50lbs overweight, it will take time. You might not be able to get 15K steps in initially, so start with 5-8K and cutting crap out of your diet. And know that yes, you might "feel hungry" because you have been overeating and feeding your body crap for years. But if you power thru the first 2 weeks, your cravings will diminish, and you will start to feel better. You didnt' put on those 50lbs in 1-2 months, so you will take longer than that to remove them and change your lifestyle. Only you can decide if you want to do this.

Then why the hell are so many people on this thread acting like it's their business? And the only actual argument they have to justify it is "fat people make my insurance costs go up" but these same people aren't protesting, you know, the insurance companies themselves, the deny/delay/depose/defend of it all, etc.

Hating fat people is acceptable, and some people are hateful. You either hate strangers or you don't, and it's about you either way.

Obese people cost the US healthcare system nearly $200 billion a year.

This 100%

We all pay for it when society is unhealthy. We used to get a break on our company health insurance (10+ years ago). If we did biometrics and a few other things, we saved $200 per person. Which just goes to show that they think just "informing people that they are unhealthY" and offering a few ways to change can make a difference. Because the company is only doing it to save money, they don't actually care about you, they care about the $$$

SO being fat is a way to stick it to the man? Pass me the chicken fat!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

There was a period when the government said fat was bad for you, and low-fat (high sugar) magically appeared. It was also cheaper because HFCS is subsidized indirectly by the government.

It's easy to overeat sugary foods.

Are you that gullible? That sounds like people who thought eating Snackwells were virtuous.

Are you telling me to question the advice of the CDC and the FDA and do my own research? That sounds a bit like an antivaxxer.

Not sure you are making the point you think you are.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

There was a period when the government said fat was bad for you, and low-fat (high sugar) magically appeared. It was also cheaper because HFCS is subsidized indirectly by the government.

It's easy to overeat sugary foods.

Are you that gullible? That sounds like people who thought eating Snackwells were virtuous.

Are you telling me to question the advice of the CDC and the FDA and do my own research? That sounds a bit like an antivaxxer.

I have a high degree of confidence neither of those organizations would suggest eating low fat Oreos.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

And salt, sugar, and meat. We need to put together a master list of things which the government should ban to improve the health of all Americans! We could have a utopia

Meat and salt can be very healthy. Lots of people have reversed multiple health conditions on an animal based diet.

The current food pyramid is what is unhealthy and it tracks with an explosion in obesity and insulin becoming a huge money maker.

+1

The food pyramid is wrong. We don't need grains, it lead to this obesity epidemic. Cut them out and see what it does to your body. You won't know until you give it a try

First, no, the food pyramid recommendations (which no one has ever followed anyway) did not lead to the obesity epidemic. Second, the word you are looking for in this context is “led” - I assume you also don’t understand the difference between “loose” and “lose”.

Exactly - the idea that the 40% of Americans that are obese are that way because they meticulously followed some food pyramid guidelines is so intellectually dishonest its impossible to know where to start.

The sad part is the rush to blame externalities in all this ends up neutering the ability of people from taking control of their own health. Any time you speak any form of actual truth its too mean and its shaming. The opposite of the empowerment.

Imagine being arrogant enough to think you, and only you, know "the actual truth" about the complexities of a stranger's physical health. What an AH.

Imagine being so dishonest that you decide obesity on a population level is all about elaborate exceptions and narrow medical conditions. Its impossible to even have this discussion because people always wade in here with some elaborate tale that is not at all a reflection of what is actually happening on a population level.

So, according to you, a DCUM shitposter/self-proclaimed expert, the whole problem is "fat people eat too much"?

You're a simple-minded fool, and a judgmental ass.

Unfortunately for you, the scientific consensus is exactly that. The obesity epidemic on a population level is people wildly over-consuming according to their energy needs and storing that energy as fat. Go ahead and read the literature if you have the honesty to do so. There are various reasons why that is happening, and unfortunately for you, the vast majority are not reasons where human agency and free will are entirely absent from the equation.

Or write some elaborate rant about cow feces on fruits and vegetables and how it’s impossible to be a functioning adult. A functioning adult that doesn’t eat piles of garbage, doesn’t have the need to count anything because they are eating real food, and occasionally does some exercise to emulate what the human body was designed for in the first place.

+1

If you do that, you almost certainly will loose weight. But keep in mind, if you are 50lbs overweight, it will take time. You might not be able to get 15K steps in initially, so start with 5-8K and cutting crap out of your diet. And know that yes, you might "feel hungry" because you have been overeating and feeding your body crap for years. But if you power thru the first 2 weeks, your cravings will diminish, and you will start to feel better. You didnt' put on those 50lbs in 1-2 months, so you will take longer than that to remove them and change your lifestyle. Only you can decide if you want to do this.

Then why the hell are so many people on this thread acting like it's their business? And the only actual argument they have to justify it is "fat people make my insurance costs go up" but these same people aren't protesting, you know, the insurance companies themselves, the deny/delay/depose/defend of it all, etc.

Hating fat people is acceptable, and some people are hateful. You either hate strangers or you don't, and it's about you either way.

Obese people cost the US healthcare system nearly $200 billion a year.

Based on data from 2021-2023, about 40% of US adults are obese, more than any country in Europe, Central America or South America. For 1999-2000, the US obesity rate was 30%.

If this doesn't scream systemic problem to you, nobody can help you.

It's a systemic problem because nobody is willing to tell people how to change their diets! And the patients are not willing to get nutritional counseling and follow it.
It's not that difficult. Eat whole Foods, make 60-75% of your plate veggies and the rest good protein source. And no, corn is NOT a veggie. Cut out grains and get your carbs from veggies and fruits. But remember to limit your overall carbs to "diabetic diet levels"---so nope, you cannot eat 3 bags of sweet potato chips and unlimited fruit all day---you need to watch your carb count.

No need for chips, cookies, anything with added sugars. If you are hungry, have a glass of water, and if in 10 mins you are still hungry then snack on some carrots/celery/radishes/veggies and dip them in guac.

If you do that, 99% of people will loose weight and be healthier. Continue it as a lifestyle.

It's only systemic because people think "breakfast should be cereal or toast" and lunch is a sandwich---but no fruit or veggies and basically it's just bread/carbs. Snacks are all mostly junk food and make you crave more snacks.
Then dinner is pizza or fast food.

I don't know anyone overweight/obese who eats mostly whole foods and attempts to limit carbs (ie Diabetic diet rules).

Then if you add in exercise---walking, everyone can do that. It will help even more