How do all of you end up engaged in these conversations? I’ve been in Europe during a Trump presidency, the Iraq war…and never once over many trips did I end up in one of these conversations. |
I need staff. Ex fed types welcome. Willingness to travel a plus. |
Because I was on a private tours with local people for several days in different areas. And Trump always comes up. But yes you’re right, otherwise it probably wouldn’t come up. |
I live in Europe and it does come up. They actually have real news here - not just Fox News - and they know what's going on. They despise Trump/Musk. |
Then why are they voting for far right governments? Do they hate Trump but like their homegrown bigots? |
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It’s not a bad thing they don’t watch Fox News. But European news has always been left wing and anti-American. Even if trump is the best president ever (he is not), European news will be constantly sharing negative stories about Trump. Europeans are subject to constant anti-American news and it’s exhausting. Most Europeans don’t even realize this though. |
Are you a tall male? I’m a petite female and Europeans constantly insult America and our leadership to me at any chance they get. This has happened to me for decades. It’s so aggressive that it comes across as being brainwashed. I can’t stand Trump but the TDS overseas is quite something. I remember being a teenager waiting in line to board a flight to CDG and having a random group of men start badmouthing Clinton to me. |
Yeah all the people who voted for LePen probably like Trump. |
Pretty much. European far right parties are almost entirely focused on immigration. No one in Europe - not even Nazis - want Republican policies on healthcare, education, the environment, retirement, etc etc. The only similarity between the European far right and the Republican Party is that they are both supported by Russia. |
Not entirely true. For instance the French far right is anti environment. There was just a vote on PFAS regulations and they were againt it. |
I’m also a petite woman and no one ever talks American politics with me abroad, so I don’t think that is a factor. |
I had a lot of similar political conversations on my last two Europe trips, but I don’t agree that they were more informed. For example, our guide in Denmark brought up abortion rights and was shocked to learn that Democrats support open-ended abortion rights. European countries have 12/15/22 week limits and she didn’t understand why that would be considered controversial. So that is just one example where she had a bias against Republicans based on lack of knowledge. |
The reason this works in Europe is because everyone has access to affordable health care, including reproductive health care. When someone finds out they’re pregnant, it’s not difficult to get an early term abortion. In the US, many people don’t have access to any health care, and reproductive health care is virtually non-existent in many (red) states. So even if they find out they’re pregnant early, they can’t easily get abortion care. And many don’t find out early or have to delay care because it’s so hard to fine, leaving them needing later term abortions. And European countries do allow late-term abortion when situation is life-threatening. |
This is very common. The bias is unreal |