Palisades Fire - Los Angeles

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Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t fire mitigation systems installed as part of the public works systems, developments or private homes? Large water guns to create a barrier or cover a neighborhood?

jfc. Can we all agree to ignore these posts? The stupidity is overwhelming.

Yeah it’s so stupid other countries use it.

https://www.wired.com/story/spanish-wildfire-defenses/

Not sure it would be effective in the face of huge winds, and considering how many of these sprinklets LA would need since so much of the residential areas borders nature. You really cannot compare that to a tiny village's set up with 40 towers. LA would need thousands.

Damp surfaces put out the embers carried by wind, it’s not a wall of fire moving through the area. Water on roofs and yards would go a long way.

Not in high winds. There is no damp when you have Santa Ana winds. Water evaporates almost immediately. There isn't enough water for everyone in this huge area. You DO NOT GET IT.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Why are they allowing this to happen?

I swear to God some of you are still drunk from NYE and the snow days.

This reminds me of a few years back, when Trump (then Prez) blamed the people of CA for all of the destruction that the wildfires caused.

He actually said it was the residents of CA’s fault that there were so many wildfires!! 🤦🏼
He claimed that CA residents were not keeping their “floors”/grounds swept + raked properly (like the folks in Greenland did!) and he even spoke of withholding emergency monies because of it!
Of course - it was all part of his power trip (the guys LOVES power + control!)

Personally he was just butt hurt that CA didn’t vote for him.
But to the PP >> how can you say such an insensitive remark when so many people lose their lives & homes??

Calm down. What Trump said actually is correct. The fires aren't just because of global warming, there have always been wildfires in California due to the dry nature of the region combined with the wind patterns. It's that there are now so many people living in high fire risk areas. As other posters have already pointed out, you have to take proactive steps with the vegetations around your properties. If you don't you put yourself at a higher risk for fire. Although there are definitely times when there's nothing you can do.

DP. I’m a native Californian who lived there 21 years and never experienced a fire. Droughts were common, and one year we recycled shower water. In the last 8 years, both the area I grew up and my college town have been devastated by fires.

I'd think a native Californian would know wildfires have always been part of California's history. I remember seeing them on TV back in the 80s.

Native Californians (there are many on this thread including me) are telling you that the fires in the last 10 years are like nothing else before, and the fact you saw a fire once on the news is irrelevant. Or you could go read many many scientific reports that say the same thing. You are like somebody looking at unprecedented ice loss in the Arctic and saying "I saw ice melt once, it's natural, nbd."

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Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t fire mitigation systems installed as part of the public works systems, developments or private homes? Large water guns to create a barrier or cover a neighborhood?

jfc. Can we all agree to ignore these posts? The stupidity is overwhelming.

Yeah it’s so stupid other countries use it.

https://www.wired.com/story/spanish-wildfire-defenses/

Not sure it would be effective in the face of huge winds, and considering how many of these sprinklets LA would need since so much of the residential areas borders nature. You really cannot compare that to a tiny village's set up with 40 towers. LA would need thousands.

Damp surfaces put out the embers carried by wind, it’s not a wall of fire moving through the area. Water on roofs and yards would go a long way.

Not in high winds. There is no damp when you have Santa Ana winds. Water evaporates almost immediately. There isn't enough water for everyone in this huge area. You DO NOT GET IT.

And yet the demand to live there only goes up. A fool and his money…

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Anonymous wrote:Stop talking about new watering systems JFC they don’t have water in the existing hydrants! There is a water shortage in ca. One cannot escape the fact the the tree huggers in those parts of ca have resisted proper forest management forever and that management gives fire fighters the ability to create fire lanes and manage fires such as this one. It’s been screamed about for years by the professionals. And where is the Mayor of la? In Africa on a tour. What a f g joke! Such a beautiful state controlled by absolute morons. Prayers up for the firefighters putting themselves in harms way. Oh and for the idiot Californians.

SoCal is a desert – but one right next to an ocean. Old-fashioned fire management techniques like PP is talking about plus out of the box ocean water utilization would help.

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These are really devastating fires. Pacific Palisades, Altadena, Malibu, Pasadena and on and on. Even the Jet Propulsion Lab is under threat. And there is 0 containment. Plus 80 mph winds that make it impossible to fight this from the air. These fires are going to continue to grow all day.

I don't understand how all this gets rebuilt. Insurers are losing billions and billions of dollars today. This is some of the most expensive real estate in the world. I read that Steven Spielberg and Conan O'Brian lost their homes overnight. It's going to be impossible to get fire insurance going forward.

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Yes, native Southern California lady too. Grew up there from 1980-2000 moved away after that but family still there. Never did we have to evacuate for fire. My family has now done so more than twice in the last few years and may need to again this time. It’s like nothing I have seen before and the lack of fire coverage is real now too. Only very wealthy people will be able to rebuild and live here with these conditions because insurance is not going to cover fire.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Why are they allowing this to happen?

Republicans are such idiots.

What an odd response, completely out of left field. This is a combination of bad state policies, dry conditions in challenging terrain, dense population, high winds.

Delusional idiots who still argue that climate change isn't a thing is doing us in.

Yet the believers in climate change in CA are doing the least to mitigate the risks. It's mind boggling.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, native Southern California lady too. Grew up there from 1980-2000 moved away after that but family still there. Never did we have to evacuate for fire. My family has now done so more than twice in the last few years and may need to again this time. It’s like nothing I have seen before and the lack of fire coverage is real now too. Only very wealthy people will be able to rebuild and live here with these conditions because insurance is not going to cover fire.

I moved away 5 years ago. Was tired of having the kids stay inside for recess because of smoke in the area, wiping ashes off the car, roads closed due to summer fires, it was endless and scary. That with the earthquakes, crime, winds, drought, it became very uncomfortable living there. Just a ticking time bomb. And now so many friends have lost their homes. I can't even imagine the devastation when it's all over.

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Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

No. They will remain single family homes. People rebuild. There’s no way pacific palisades, Malibu or anywhere near the Ocean front will be anything less than multimillion dollar property. This will not affect anything. These people love their lifestyle and paradise there.

If anything, the mildly rich will be replaced by the very rich.

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Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t fire mitigation systems installed as part of the public works systems, developments or private homes? Large water guns to create a barrier or cover a neighborhood?

jfc. Can we all agree to ignore these posts? The stupidity is overwhelming.

Yeah it’s so stupid other countries use it.

https://www.wired.com/story/spanish-wildfire-defenses/

Not sure it would be effective in the face of huge winds, and considering how many of these sprinklets LA would need since so much of the residential areas borders nature. You really cannot compare that to a tiny village's set up with 40 towers. LA would need thousands.

Damp surfaces put out the embers carried by wind, it’s not a wall of fire moving through the area. Water on roofs and yards would go a long way.

Not in high winds. There is no damp when you have Santa Ana winds. Water evaporates almost immediately. There isn't enough water for everyone in this huge area. You DO NOT GET IT.

Do I don’t and I don’t think you do either. You seem to have a defeatist position on this topic. I’m not saying it will eliminate all risk but it certainly wouldn’t make it worse. I’m literally watching people on tv using buckets and garden hoses to protect their homes, I’m suggesting it be implemented on wider scale. You still haven’t offered ANY suggestions

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Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

No. They will remain single family homes. People rebuild. There’s no way pacific palisades, Malibu or anywhere near the Ocean front will be anything less than multimillion dollar property. This will not affect anything. These people love their lifestyle and paradise there.

If anything, the mildly rich will be replaced by the very rich.

Exactly. My family was never uber rich but comfortable upper middle class and wouldn’t be able to start over in the same place. Many neighbors were regular jobs like electricians and teachers who bought in the 70s, 80s, paid off home and continued on. They will never be able to rebuild and live in the same communities. It’s sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop talking about new watering systems JFC they don’t have water in the existing hydrants! There is a water shortage in ca. One cannot escape the fact the the tree huggers in those parts of ca have resisted proper forest management forever and that management gives fire fighters the ability to create fire lanes and manage fires such as this one. It’s been screamed about for years by the professionals. And where is the Mayor of la? In Africa on a tour. What a f g joke! Such a beautiful state controlled by absolute morons. Prayers up for the firefighters putting themselves in harms way. Oh and for the idiot Californians.

SoCal is a desert – but one right next to an ocean. Old-fashioned fire management techniques like PP is talking about plus out of the box ocean water utilization would help.

You call up Cal Guard, US Army North, or any of the wildland firefighters working this fire. I’m sure they will be thrilled with your expertise.

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Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

No. They will remain single family homes. People rebuild. There’s no way pacific palisades, Malibu or anywhere near the Ocean front will be anything less than multimillion dollar property. This will not affect anything. These people love their lifestyle and paradise there.

If anything, the mildly rich will be replaced by the very rich.

Exactly. My family was never uber rich but comfortable upper middle class and wouldn’t be able to start over in the same place. Many neighbors were regular jobs like electricians and teachers who bought in the 70s, 80s, paid off home and continued on. They will never be able to rebuild and live in the same communities. It’s sad.

My friend in Palisades lost his home. It was a multimillion dollar home but that was his main asset. He doesn't have millions squirreled away to rebuild. A lot of people end up in the position that they could never afford to buy their own home even 5 years later with the way real estate prices increase. I don't know what these people will do, there are millions of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t fire mitigation systems installed as part of the public works systems, developments or private homes? Large water guns to create a barrier or cover a neighborhood?

jfc. Can we all agree to ignore these posts? The stupidity is overwhelming.

Yeah it’s so stupid other countries use it.

https://www.wired.com/story/spanish-wildfire-defenses/

Not sure it would be effective in the face of huge winds, and considering how many of these sprinklets LA would need since so much of the residential areas borders nature. You really cannot compare that to a tiny village's set up with 40 towers. LA would need thousands.

Damp surfaces put out the embers carried by wind, it’s not a wall of fire moving through the area. Water on roofs and yards would go a long way.

Not in high winds. There is no damp when you have Santa Ana winds. Water evaporates almost immediately. There isn't enough water for everyone in this huge area. You DO NOT GET IT.

Do I don’t and I don’t think you do either. You seem to have a defeatist position on this topic. I’m not saying it will eliminate all risk but it certainly wouldn’t make it worse. I’m literally watching people on tv using buckets and garden hoses to protect their homes, I’m suggesting it be implemented on wider scale. You still haven’t offered ANY suggestions

There are people who are knowledgeable who do. No one wants to read the idiocy you are spouting. Go find a Ca forum and post this stupidity. No one on this site wants to read suggestions by people who know absolutely nothing about the issue. You are overwhelming the thread with YOU. Its all about you.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t fire mitigation systems installed as part of the public works systems, developments or private homes? Large water guns to create a barrier or cover a neighborhood?

jfc. Can we all agree to ignore these posts? The stupidity is overwhelming.

Yeah it’s so stupid other countries use it.

https://www.wired.com/story/spanish-wildfire-defenses/

Not sure it would be effective in the face of huge winds, and considering how many of these sprinklets LA would need since so much of the residential areas borders nature. You really cannot compare that to a tiny village's set up with 40 towers. LA would need thousands.

Damp surfaces put out the embers carried by wind, it’s not a wall of fire moving through the area. Water on roofs and yards would go a long way.

Not in high winds. There is no damp when you have Santa Ana winds. Water evaporates almost immediately. There isn't enough water for everyone in this huge area. You DO NOT GET IT.

Do I don’t and I don’t think you do either. You seem to have a defeatist position on this topic. I’m not saying it will eliminate all risk but it certainly wouldn’t make it worse. I’m literally watching people on tv using buckets and garden hoses to protect their homes, I’m suggesting it be implemented on wider scale. You still haven’t offered ANY suggestions

Guess what? Sometimes that actually does make it worse. You listen to your fire department and follow their instructions.