QuestBridge kids taking half the spots at top schools, and it’s unfair

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Anonymous wrote:Does QB look at assets? DH could quit tomorrow, but I think our assets would give us away unless they aren’t checking.

QB students submit BOTH to QB AND to the schools. Schools use CSS which vets everything. If anything, these students undergo additional scrutiny.

This thread is just infuriating. Why do people think it is OK to pick on kids who have been dealt a bad hand, worked hard and now may MAY be getting some good news? Why? Why do people immediately suspect foul.play from the poor kid? Why are people so freaking selfish and delusional?

People are so privileged that they are mad a kid with much less in life is getting a chance to change their lives. QB and other low income students getting into any college will change their life trajectory. It will help break the poverty cycle of their family---help show their larger family that other kids can go to college and do well, etc. I agree....my UMC+ kid will do well in life because the first 18 years of their life were privileged...they have had all they need to succeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A kid who makes really good grades while having to watch his 3 younger siblings because his single mom works at a fast food restaurant displays sooo much more grit, growth mentality, leadership ability, and resilience than a coddled UMC kid who never has to do chores because the cleaners handle it for them, paid tutors to correct their homework errors, and a parent who helps edit their essays.

Exactly! Not to mention, the UMC kid will do well no matter where they attend.
But the first kid, needs help to break out of the family cycle of poverty and low wage jobs with not much chance for advancement. That one kid getting a break can help the entire family, and their relatives---it will help other cousins and future generations see that college might be a path to a better life...so they can break the cycle

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Now you know how my kid feels.

Super high stats kid, rejected to T15, Asian male.

Awww. Poor thing.

Yes, the system is inherently unfair. It's not like I grew up in a wealthy household myself. My parents are uneducated immigrants who don't speak English, and I went to a no name cheapo state u because we couldn't afford it. I worked my way through college. We were on food stamps for a bit.

But if that’a not how your kid grew up, why is this relevant to anything?

It's the assumption that the Asian parents grew up with privilege that I'm countering.

It’s not about how the parents grew up, it’s about how their kids, the ones who are applying to college, grew up.

You went to college. Even if you consider it a “no name cheapo state u,” you went to college- and your kids have an enormous leg up over kids whose parents did not go to college.

Be thankful for the advantages you have been able to give your kids, and maybe find it in your heart to be happy that other kids who are poor like you were are getting some help to go to college.

That is why most colleges have help for first generation kids. With my first kid, the parents FB page had many first generation parents asking so many questions, that most of us take for granted. Because they didnt' attend college there are basic things they don't know---from "does my kid have to move every thing out of the dorms for Dec/Jan Break" to "my kid didn't get into a course they need for their major that it states they must take this next semester, what do they do to fix this". My kid was friends with a few first gen, and I connected (online) with the parents when they had basic questions---for them this was so new, they are paying a lot to make it happen and they just want to "do things correctly". Was happy to help them, my kid was happy to help the friends as well. But we take a lot for granted that we just assume since we as parents went to college and understand the basics

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Anonymous wrote:QB is profoundly unfair when it means they get slots in place of better qualified kids. That's a fact at my high school. Why should they get T20 slots? They can get a GREAT education at a top public right? Don't people post that here all the time. Top academic performers that are QB. Okay, perfectly fine. 1300 SATs, less than 4.0 GPA. Still strong but T20 strong?

Give it up!

That 1300SATS from a kid who babysits siblings after school so Mom can work a 2nd or 3rd job or the kid themselves works 20+ hours/week in HS to help keep food on the table and the lights on is much more impressive than a coddled UMC+ kid. That kid has major potential and colleges recognize this.

I for one am happy to have them take a spot over my kid--they deserve it more, my kid will be just fine with their extreme privilege.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, and we're not rich. We saved and scrimped but make too much to be QB not nearly enough to pay full cost but close enough. They'll milk us for all we're worth. We're the ones in the middle getting squeezed from all sides

You have privilege to be able to save. Also, your kid can do what millions do---attend a school they can afford.

Being jealous because you are "not poor enough to get a full ride FA" is not a good look. If you can "be nearly full cost" you are extremely privileged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. I am bothered by QB, I am bothered by "dean's list", I am bothered by athletic recruits, i am bothered by full pay bias, I am bothered by the cloak of holistic admissions.

The whole fu&$@ing process is stupid, unfair, and ridiculously cockamamie.

It's the clearance rack at tj maxx masquerading as a meritocracy.

Schools are allowed to determine for themselves, which students they want to admit. Get over yourself and realize that a 1580/4.0UW/10+ AP does NOT make your kid anything special. It does not guarantee your kid admission at any T25. However, they should likely get into plenty in the 30-100 range, however, if their attitude and personality is like yours, they might not be that appealing.

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Anonymous wrote:QB is so much money. I personally know people who got divorced to qualify, quit jobs to qualify, etc.
Reddit is full of posters who admit to all sorts of crazy stuff.

You do not

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does QB look at assets? DH could quit tomorrow, but I think our assets would give us away unless they aren’t checking.

QB students submit BOTH to QB AND to the schools. Schools use CSS which vets everything. If anything, these students undergo additional scrutiny.

This thread is just infuriating. Why do people think it is OK to pick on kids who have been dealt a bad hand, worked hard and now may MAY be getting some good news? Why? Why do people immediately suspect foul.play from the poor kid? Why are people so freaking selfish and delusional?

People are so privileged that they are mad a kid with much less in life is getting a chance to change their lives. QB and other low income students getting into any college will change their life trajectory. It will help break the poverty cycle of their family---help show their larger family that other kids can go to college and do well, etc. I agree....my UMC+ kid will do well in life because the first 18 years of their life were privileged...they have had all they need to succeed.

You gave a great perspective.

Unfortunately, people tend to be selfish and self serving, especially people with financial means. Rich families want to throw their kids out as "volunteers" to help low-income kids to boost ECs come college application time, but scoff at low-income kids getting into top colleges.

When Varsity Blues happened- rich families gaming the college admissions system - DCUM was very quiet. But let FGLI kids get an opportunity via QB and some DCUMers are mad and/or making up extreme and rare (IF true) of QB anomalies.

Despite the fact that QB serves more low-income whites and Asians based on pure numbers, DCUMers use QB as a euphemism for URMs. And you know how URMs are treated in this forum.

Sad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:QB is profoundly unfair when it means they get slots in place of better qualified kids. That's a fact at my high school. Why should they get T20 slots? They can get a GREAT education at a top public right? Don't people post that here all the time. Top academic performers that are QB. Okay, perfectly fine. 1300 SATs, less than 4.0 GPA. Still strong but T20 strong?

Give it up!

That 1300SATS from a kid who babysits siblings after school so Mom can work a 2nd or 3rd job or the kid themselves works 20+ hours/week in HS to help keep food on the table and the lights on is much more impressive than a coddled UMC+ kid. That kid has major potential and colleges recognize this.

I for one am happy to have them take a spot over my kid--they deserve it more, my kid will be just fine with their extreme privilege.

Would you rather have your kid grow up in their current MC/UMC life and attend a T100 school vs grow up in poverty and attend a top T20?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A kid who makes really good grades while having to watch his 3 younger siblings because his single mom works at a fast food restaurant displays sooo much more grit, growth mentality, leadership ability, and resilience than a coddled UMC kid who never has to do chores because the cleaners handle it for them, paid tutors to correct their homework errors, and a parent who helps edit their essays.

Exactly! Not to mention, the UMC kid will do well no matter where they attend.
But the first kid, needs help to break out of the family cycle of poverty and low wage jobs with not much chance for advancement. That one kid getting a break can help the entire family, and their relatives---it will help other cousins and future generations see that college might be a path to a better life...so they can break the cycle

I would add that the FGLI kids often return to their communities in helping roles. The world is better with more doctors in rural areas, or social workers in cities, and those are jobs that are often fulfilled by students who left and came back. The world is not that much better if yet another Jayson takes an entry-level Wall Street role.

[Anonymous]

Much more deserving than little sh!ts like Brick Johnson, son of billionaire Woody Johnson (Google both) who is on the Harvard Tennis team. Wonder how he got in???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Much more deserving than little sh!ts like Brick Johnson, son of billionaire Woody Johnson (Google both) who is on the Harvard Tennis team. Wonder how he got in???

You do realize people expect to go to Harvard to have access to families like this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:QB is so much money. I personally know people who got divorced to qualify, quit jobs to qualify, etc.
Reddit is full of posters who admit to all sorts of crazy stuff.

You do not

Ha ha, this

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:QB is profoundly unfair when it means they get slots in place of better qualified kids. That's a fact at my high school. Why should they get T20 slots? They can get a GREAT education at a top public right? Don't people post that here all the time. Top academic performers that are QB. Okay, perfectly fine. 1300 SATs, less than 4.0 GPA. Still strong but T20 strong?

Give it up!

That 1300SATS from a kid who babysits siblings after school so Mom can work a 2nd or 3rd job or the kid themselves works 20+ hours/week in HS to help keep food on the table and the lights on is much more impressive than a coddled UMC+ kid. That kid has major potential and colleges recognize this.

I for one am happy to have them take a spot over my kid--they deserve it more, my kid will be just fine with their extreme privilege.

Would you rather have your kid grow up in their current MC/UMC life and attend a T100 school vs grow up in poverty and attend a top T20?

the idiots on DCUM believe the latter

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:QB is so much money. I personally know people who got divorced to qualify, quit jobs to qualify, etc.
Reddit is full of posters who admit to all sorts of crazy stuff.

You do not

I know someone who divorced so that they could get better welfare benefits. I could see people divorcing to get better financial benefits from college. -dp