ED really has to go!

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Anonymous wrote:Blah, blah, blah from the rich person trying to justify her privilege. ED needs to go because of the privilege it affords rich people (the ED admits are definitely lower quality admits). It also shows desperation on the part of the schools. Which is why truly elite schools like Harvard Princeton, Yale, mit, Caltech, Stanford don’t do it.

All of which is irrelevant to OP’s assertion. Her kid is anxious and it sounds like she is, too. None of that is the result of ED.

Top 25 schools are not offering merit. The FA they offer in ED is the same they will offer in RD. Fact is, if you haven't saved and/or are not willing to spend $90K/year, that won't change for RD/EA. If you need to/want to compare merit offers, that is fine, then ED isn't your thing. However, at schools where ED matters the most (the ones most on here are complaining about), you STILL won't be able to afford the school in RD. And if you "might be willing to pay the 90K if you don't get into another good school" well then, you need to decide that before Nov 1. But anyone can do ED.
Yes the decision to be full pay is easier if you can afford it. But exit the T25 and there are plenty of schools that will be affordable/give merit to assist. If you want elite/T25 school, you need to pay for it--nobody is entitled to it

Quit using the word "entitled." The only "Entitled" ones are the ones that can pay for it easily-the very definition of the word. Because they can take advantage of ED, knowing it will boost their chances of acceptance AND they can swing the bill.

The people complaining -and rightfully so- are those whose kids have worked hard but will be shut out due to inability to ED b/c of inability to pay. We are told from the time we are little that the American Dream is work hard and that will pay off. But that's BS. It pays off for the rich; everyone else is expected to settle for something less, then judged for it. Look on here all the people dismissing schools that are outside the top 20.

So spare me your "entitled" crap.

Nope---your kid feels "entitled to an elite education because they worked hard, have a high gpa and Sat and rigorous coursework". Nobody ever stated "if you work really hard, you will get to go to Harvard or Stanford".

Hint: nobody is entitled to an elite education---some win out and get admitted, most do not. For the last time: if you cannot afford a T25 school in ED, well nothing is going to change for RD. You would still be paying the same thing if you get admitted in RD (and odds are not that much worse---much of ED is QB, sports, legacy, really connected students with hooks who were getting in no matter what). So if you cannot pay 90K, it doesn't matter when you get accepted or rejected.

Oh---so you're saying, "well I want to compare offers, and if the next school that gives us money is lower than 50, well then we can find a way to pay $90K", well you have that choice too. however, then you are not willing to commit so you cannot do ED. ED is for someone willing to commit to the school and accept the NPC for that school. If you are not willing to do that (and I get that---if you don't have 90K/year saved, it's probably not the best idea), then ED may not be for you. And you should compare offers and search for merit---but that merit isn't coming from your T25 schools.


Hint: my kid worked "really hard, is really smart etc" yet still didnt' get into their ED1, and we are full pay. I'm not complaining, they tried, it didn't work, they moved on selected their best option (in the 30s) and is very happy and excelling academically and with internships.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Blah, blah, blah from the rich person trying to justify her privilege. ED needs to go because of the privilege it affords rich people (the ED admits are definitely lower quality admits). It also shows desperation on the part of the schools. Which is why truly elite schools like Harvard Princeton, Yale, mit, Caltech, Stanford don’t do it.

All of which is irrelevant to OP’s assertion. Her kid is anxious and it sounds like she is, too. None of that is the result of ED.

Many top schools are/may be going back to ED because enrollment has dropped and they want to lock-in new student enrollment.

I am doubtful that demand (number of applicants / year) has fallen at top schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blah, blah, blah from the rich person trying to justify her privilege. ED needs to go because of the privilege it affords rich people (the ED admits are definitely lower quality admits). It also shows desperation on the part of the schools. Which is why truly elite schools like Harvard Princeton, Yale, mit, Caltech, Stanford don’t do it.

All of which is irrelevant to OP’s assertion. Her kid is anxious and it sounds like she is, too. None of that is the result of ED.

Top 25 schools are not offering merit. The FA they offer in ED is the same they will offer in RD. Fact is, if you haven't saved and/or are not willing to spend $90K/year, that won't change for RD/EA. If you need to/want to compare merit offers, that is fine, then ED isn't your thing. However, at schools where ED matters the most (the ones most on here are complaining about), you STILL won't be able to afford the school in RD. And if you "might be willing to pay the 90K if you don't get into another good school" well then, you need to decide that before Nov 1. But anyone can do ED.
Yes the decision to be full pay is easier if you can afford it. But exit the T25 and there are plenty of schools that will be affordable/give merit to assist. If you want elite/T25 school, you need to pay for it--nobody is entitled to it

Quit using the word "entitled." The only "Entitled" ones are the ones that can pay for it easily-the very definition of the word. Because they can take advantage of ED, knowing it will boost their chances of acceptance AND they can swing the bill.

The people complaining -and rightfully so- are those whose kids have worked hard but will be shut out due to inability to ED b/c of inability to pay. We are told from the time we are little that the American Dream is work hard and that will pay off. But that's BS. It pays off for the rich; everyone else is expected to settle for something less, then judged for it. Look on here all the people dismissing schools that are outside the top 20.

So spare me your "entitled" crap.

If you can't afford a college ED how can you afford it RD? Please explain.

/DP - that's a rhetorical question, obviously you can't. So spare us the "crap" crap.

Because these special snowflakes think "I can't afford it, but IF we get a good merit offer from a school NOT TOO FAR BELOW we will take that school. Otherwise, we might pay $90K even though we "cannot afford it" because our kid deserves to go to the best school."

Either that or they are not smart enough to realize that none of the T25 give much merit (maybe 10-20 merit awards at most), so nope, RD is not going to look any different.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blah, blah, blah from the rich person trying to justify her privilege. ED needs to go because of the privilege it affords rich people (the ED admits are definitely lower quality admits). It also shows desperation on the part of the schools. Which is why truly elite schools like Harvard Princeton, Yale, mit, Caltech, Stanford don’t do it.

All of which is irrelevant to OP’s assertion. Her kid is anxious and it sounds like she is, too. None of that is the result of ED.

Top 25 schools are not offering merit. The FA they offer in ED is the same they will offer in RD. Fact is, if you haven't saved and/or are not willing to spend $90K/year, that won't change for RD/EA. If you need to/want to compare merit offers, that is fine, then ED isn't your thing. However, at schools where ED matters the most (the ones most on here are complaining about), you STILL won't be able to afford the school in RD. And if you "might be willing to pay the 90K if you don't get into another good school" well then, you need to decide that before Nov 1. But anyone can do ED.
Yes the decision to be full pay is easier if you can afford it. But exit the T25 and there are plenty of schools that will be affordable/give merit to assist. If you want elite/T25 school, you need to pay for it--nobody is entitled to it

Quit using the word "entitled." The only "Entitled" ones are the ones that can pay for it easily-the very definition of the word. Because they can take advantage of ED, knowing it will boost their chances of acceptance AND they can swing the bill.

The people complaining -and rightfully so- are those whose kids have worked hard but will be shut out due to inability to ED b/c of inability to pay. We are told from the time we are little that the American Dream is work hard and that will pay off. But that's BS. It pays off for the rich; everyone else is expected to settle for something less, then judged for it. Look on here all the people dismissing schools that are outside the top 20.

So spare me your "entitled" crap.

First, on this thread, OP is complaining about ED because her daughter can't handle the stress, and has gotten fixated on one school.

Second, you are not "shut out" of a school because you can't ED - that's ridiculous. Do some people have advantages that others don't? Sure. Tell your kids to get used to it.

Third, your victim attitude is going to do your kids at least as much harm as is OP's failure to make sure her kid was properly equipped emotionaly for this process.

Wait until their kid graduates from any school and is hired alongside people from schools ranked 50-200, paid the same, and then in a few years realizes the kids at school #150+ is moving up in rank faster than their kid and those from T25 schools. Or better yet when their next two managers are people from non-elite schools who are there thru their hard work and dedication as well, just they perform better than others so have advanced to management faster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blah, blah, blah from the rich person trying to justify her privilege. ED needs to go because of the privilege it affords rich people (the ED admits are definitely lower quality admits). It also shows desperation on the part of the schools. Which is why truly elite schools like Harvard Princeton, Yale, mit, Caltech, Stanford don’t do it.

All of which is irrelevant to OP’s assertion. Her kid is anxious and it sounds like she is, too. None of that is the result of ED.

Top 25 schools are not offering merit. The FA they offer in ED is the same they will offer in RD. Fact is, if you haven't saved and/or are not willing to spend $90K/year, that won't change for RD/EA. If you need to/want to compare merit offers, that is fine, then ED isn't your thing. However, at schools where ED matters the most (the ones most on here are complaining about), you STILL won't be able to afford the school in RD. And if you "might be willing to pay the 90K if you don't get into another good school" well then, you need to decide that before Nov 1. But anyone can do ED.
Yes the decision to be full pay is easier if you can afford it. But exit the T25 and there are plenty of schools that will be affordable/give merit to assist. If you want elite/T25 school, you need to pay for it--nobody is entitled to it

Quit using the word "entitled." The only "Entitled" ones are the ones that can pay for it easily-the very definition of the word. Because they can take advantage of ED, knowing it will boost their chances of acceptance AND they can swing the bill.

The people complaining -and rightfully so- are those whose kids have worked hard but will be shut out due to inability to ED b/c of inability to pay. We are told from the time we are little that the American Dream is work hard and that will pay off. But that's BS. It pays off for the rich; everyone else is expected to settle for something less, then judged for it. Look on here all the people dismissing schools that are outside the top 20.

So spare me your "entitled" crap.

If you can't afford a college ED how can you afford it RD? Please explain.

/DP - that's a rhetorical question, obviously you can't. So spare us the "crap" crap.

You're not bound by their "offer" as you are in RD. You already know this. So yeah, crap.

The offer you get from a T25 in RD will be the same as ED. So either you can afford 90K or you can't. Run the NPC, if you can afford what it says, then apply ED. If it says you are full pay yet you can only afford $30K/year, that WILL NOT CHANGE FOR RD. You still won't be able to afford the school. So you are arguing about something that is stupid---nothing changes financially from the T25 schools for RD.

And if you don't want to decide what you can afford in Nov, well then ED isn't an option for you. That's on you, you have the choice and if you want to play you play by the rules.

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Anonymous wrote:OP. I am sorry this is happening. All the parents talking about how this is your fault and she needs therapy, act like they have never had a teen before. They are absolutely shocked that a teen is acting emotional and irrational during a stressful situation. As a parent of a 17 year old, I am not surprised your child feels this way - especially in this area full of strivers. It’s utter irony that posters are acting like this when other DCUM posters (grown adults) are all over this board obsessing, stressing out, and melting down over college applications and acceptances.

Nope, I have had two teens, a boy and a girl. Both have moderate anxiety, but don't react like that as teens, because we have gotten them the help they need to deal with life and it's ups and downs. We prepared the high stats kid that reaches are just that---REaches that 95% won't get into. Such is life, you worked hard and are really smart, so let's have that next level of targets and safeties lined up with choices you really like, as that is where you are likely attending. If you get into reaches--then it's icing on the cake.
Yes teens act emotional. But I'd be concerned about a kid's ability to function at college the next fall if they are this upset over not getting what they want. Freshman year is hard, there is a lot of anxiety inducing happening. Kids who are prepared to deal with life do better

this might be the first time the op’s kid experienced this level of anxiety. that’s a parenting win in my opinion - she didn’t grind her kid down starting at age 5. the kid will be fine. the parents on here pretending this isn’t a very stressful time for the kids are wild.

Different perspective. Kid is struggling so excessively hard because she's never learned to fail. Maybe her parents have always been able to protect her, help her so she avoids failure. But college acceptance is out of parents' control.

It's more likely what you stated. Kid has never been allowed to fail and this is first time parents cannot help fix something.

[Anonymous]

I wish my kids had the opportunity to ED at their top choice schools (VT and JMU). ED should be available for those who want it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Blah, blah, blah from the rich person trying to justify her privilege. ED needs to go because of the privilege it affords rich people (the ED admits are definitely lower quality admits). It also shows desperation on the part of the schools. Which is why truly elite schools like Harvard Princeton, Yale, mit, Caltech, Stanford don’t do it.

All of which is irrelevant to OP’s assertion. Her kid is anxious and it sounds like she is, too. None of that is the result of ED.

Many top schools are/may be going back to ED because enrollment has dropped and they want to lock-in new student enrollment.

It's a win for the schools as well. Ultimately, they are a business. Their goal is to put X seats (with out going over by too much, and definately not going under) in the freshman class that matriculates in Aug/Sept. They want the best variety/best class possible by their definitions. Accepting 50%+ from ED1/ED2 makes RD and yield management much easier to achieve.

Harvard deferrs 75-80% of their Early admissions (whatever the hell it's called). That makes yield management extremely easy. Would love to see stats on how many accepted in RD were from the "deferred group"---because you can just about guarantee a 90-95% matriculation rate from that group

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Blah, blah, blah from the rich person trying to justify her privilege. ED needs to go because of the privilege it affords rich people (the ED admits are definitely lower quality admits). It also shows desperation on the part of the schools. Which is why truly elite schools like Harvard Princeton, Yale, mit, Caltech, Stanford don’t do it.

All of which is irrelevant to OP’s assertion. Her kid is anxious and it sounds like she is, too. None of that is the result of ED.

Many top schools are/may be going back to ED because enrollment has dropped and they want to lock-in new student enrollment.

It's a win for the schools as well. Ultimately, they are a business. Their goal is to put X seats (with out going over by too much, and definately not going under) in the freshman class that matriculates in Aug/Sept. They want the best variety/best class possible by their definitions. Accepting 50%+ from ED1/ED2 makes RD and yield management much easier to achieve.

Harvard deferrs 75-80% of their Early admissions (whatever the hell it's called). That makes yield management extremely easy. Would love to see stats on how many accepted in RD were from the "deferred group"---because you can just about guarantee a 90-95% matriculation rate from that group

So Harvard accepted 772 for class of 2027 in EA (whatever it's called) of 9553. 7450 were deferred.

They accepted a total of 1220 students in RD. Historically about 10% of those deferred in ED gain admission in RD. So that is 745 students, leaving about 475 from new RD applications. Given normal stats, they are wanting a total of 1400-1500 freshman. Easy to see how they met their yield expectations--most come from EA deferrals who are almost guaranteed to attend (I'm sure Harvard knows exact numbers).

All schools do this

[Anonymous]

so OP's kid didn't get into Duke?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blah, blah, blah from the rich person trying to justify her privilege. ED needs to go because of the privilege it affords rich people (the ED admits are definitely lower quality admits). It also shows desperation on the part of the schools. Which is why truly elite schools like Harvard Princeton, Yale, mit, Caltech, Stanford don’t do it.

All of which is irrelevant to OP’s assertion. Her kid is anxious and it sounds like she is, too. None of that is the result of ED.

Top 25 schools are not offering merit. The FA they offer in ED is the same they will offer in RD. Fact is, if you haven't saved and/or are not willing to spend $90K/year, that won't change for RD/EA. If you need to/want to compare merit offers, that is fine, then ED isn't your thing. However, at schools where ED matters the most (the ones most on here are complaining about), you STILL won't be able to afford the school in RD. And if you "might be willing to pay the 90K if you don't get into another good school" well then, you need to decide that before Nov 1. But anyone can do ED.
Yes the decision to be full pay is easier if you can afford it. But exit the T25 and there are plenty of schools that will be affordable/give merit to assist. If you want elite/T25 school, you need to pay for it--nobody is entitled to it

Quit using the word "entitled." The only "Entitled" ones are the ones that can pay for it easily-the very definition of the word. Because they can take advantage of ED, knowing it will boost their chances of acceptance AND they can swing the bill.

The people complaining -and rightfully so- are those whose kids have worked hard but will be shut out due to inability to ED b/c of inability to pay. We are told from the time we are little that the American Dream is work hard and that will pay off. But that's BS. It pays off for the rich; everyone else is expected to settle for something less, then judged for it. Look on here all the people dismissing schools that are outside the top 20.

So spare me your "entitled" crap.

Nope---your kid feels "entitled to an elite education because they worked hard, have a high gpa and Sat and rigorous coursework". Nobody ever stated "if you work really hard, you will get to go to Harvard or Stanford".

Hint: nobody is entitled to an elite education---some win out and get admitted, most do not. For the last time: if you cannot afford a T25 school in ED, well nothing is going to change for RD. You would still be paying the same thing if you get admitted in RD (and odds are not that much worse---much of ED is QB, sports, legacy, really connected students with hooks who were getting in no matter what). So if you cannot pay 90K, it doesn't matter when you get accepted or rejected.

Oh---so you're saying, "well I want to compare offers, and if the next school that gives us money is lower than 50, well then we can find a way to pay $90K", well you have that choice too. however, then you are not willing to commit so you cannot do ED. ED is for someone willing to commit to the school and accept the NPC for that school. If you are not willing to do that (and I get that---if you don't have 90K/year saved, it's probably not the best idea), then ED may not be for you. And you should compare offers and search for merit---but that merit isn't coming from your T25 schools.


Hint: my kid worked "really hard, is really smart etc" yet still didnt' get into their ED1, and we are full pay. I'm not complaining, they tried, it didn't work, they moved on selected their best option (in the 30s) and is very happy and excelling academically and with internships.

Wrong. You are using entitled as "expected" or demanded. That's not it at all. You expect a fair shot at admission and attending. That's not entitled. That is the promise of what we tell these kids since they are little. And it is all BS. Just like ED.

And FTR, my kid did not go to an "elite" school by choice. So you can point that finger at someone else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blah, blah, blah from the rich person trying to justify her privilege. ED needs to go because of the privilege it affords rich people (the ED admits are definitely lower quality admits). It also shows desperation on the part of the schools. Which is why truly elite schools like Harvard Princeton, Yale, mit, Caltech, Stanford don’t do it.

All of which is irrelevant to OP’s assertion. Her kid is anxious and it sounds like she is, too. None of that is the result of ED.

Top 25 schools are not offering merit. The FA they offer in ED is the same they will offer in RD. Fact is, if you haven't saved and/or are not willing to spend $90K/year, that won't change for RD/EA. If you need to/want to compare merit offers, that is fine, then ED isn't your thing. However, at schools where ED matters the most (the ones most on here are complaining about), you STILL won't be able to afford the school in RD. And if you "might be willing to pay the 90K if you don't get into another good school" well then, you need to decide that before Nov 1. But anyone can do ED.
Yes the decision to be full pay is easier if you can afford it. But exit the T25 and there are plenty of schools that will be affordable/give merit to assist. If you want elite/T25 school, you need to pay for it--nobody is entitled to it

Quit using the word "entitled." The only "Entitled" ones are the ones that can pay for it easily-the very definition of the word. Because they can take advantage of ED, knowing it will boost their chances of acceptance AND they can swing the bill.

The people complaining -and rightfully so- are those whose kids have worked hard but will be shut out due to inability to ED b/c of inability to pay. We are told from the time we are little that the American Dream is work hard and that will pay off. But that's BS. It pays off for the rich; everyone else is expected to settle for something less, then judged for it. Look on here all the people dismissing schools that are outside the top 20.

So spare me your "entitled" crap.

If you can't afford a college ED how can you afford it RD? Please explain.

/DP - that's a rhetorical question, obviously you can't. So spare us the "crap" crap.

You're not bound by their "offer" as you are in RD. You already know this. So yeah, crap.

The offer you get from a T25 in RD will be the same as ED. So either you can afford 90K or you can't. Run the NPC, if you can afford what it says, then apply ED. If it says you are full pay yet you can only afford $30K/year, that WILL NOT CHANGE FOR RD. You still won't be able to afford the school. So you are arguing about something that is stupid---nothing changes financially from the T25 schools for RD.

And if you don't want to decide what you can afford in Nov, well then ED isn't an option for you. That's on you, you have the choice and if you want to play you play by the rules.

Not accurate. And again, my kid is not in the position so take your assumptions and shove them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish my kids had the opportunity to ED at their top choice schools (VT and JMU). ED should be available for those who want it.

It is at many schools. Up to the school if they want to offer it.

Don't like it, pick another school to ED to

[Anonymous]

There's a pill for that, you know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blah, blah, blah from the rich person trying to justify her privilege. ED needs to go because of the privilege it affords rich people (the ED admits are definitely lower quality admits). It also shows desperation on the part of the schools. Which is why truly elite schools like Harvard Princeton, Yale, mit, Caltech, Stanford don’t do it.

All of which is irrelevant to OP’s assertion. Her kid is anxious and it sounds like she is, too. None of that is the result of ED.

Top 25 schools are not offering merit. The FA they offer in ED is the same they will offer in RD. Fact is, if you haven't saved and/or are not willing to spend $90K/year, that won't change for RD/EA. If you need to/want to compare merit offers, that is fine, then ED isn't your thing. However, at schools where ED matters the most (the ones most on here are complaining about), you STILL won't be able to afford the school in RD. And if you "might be willing to pay the 90K if you don't get into another good school" well then, you need to decide that before Nov 1. But anyone can do ED.
Yes the decision to be full pay is easier if you can afford it. But exit the T25 and there are plenty of schools that will be affordable/give merit to assist. If you want elite/T25 school, you need to pay for it--nobody is entitled to it

Quit using the word "entitled." The only "Entitled" ones are the ones that can pay for it easily-the very definition of the word. Because they can take advantage of ED, knowing it will boost their chances of acceptance AND they can swing the bill.

The people complaining -and rightfully so- are those whose kids have worked hard but will be shut out due to inability to ED b/c of inability to pay. We are told from the time we are little that the American Dream is work hard and that will pay off. But that's BS. It pays off for the rich; everyone else is expected to settle for something less, then judged for it. Look on here all the people dismissing schools that are outside the top 20.

So spare me your "entitled" crap.

If you can't afford a college ED how can you afford it RD? Please explain.

/DP - that's a rhetorical question, obviously you can't. So spare us the "crap" crap.

You're not bound by their "offer" as you are in RD. You already know this. So yeah, crap.

The offer you get from a T25 in RD will be the same as ED. So either you can afford 90K or you can't. Run the NPC, if you can afford what it says, then apply ED. If it says you are full pay yet you can only afford $30K/year, that WILL NOT CHANGE FOR RD. You still won't be able to afford the school. So you are arguing about something that is stupid---nothing changes financially from the T25 schools for RD.

And if you don't want to decide what you can afford in Nov, well then ED isn't an option for you. That's on you, you have the choice and if you want to play you play by the rules.

Not accurate. And again, my kid is not in the position so take your assumptions and shove them.

DP - sorry but pp is ENTIRELY 100% ACCURATE.

If you want to dispute, be specific and explain how it is more affordable in RD than in ED.

You won’t answer because you can’t.