ED really has to go!

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Anonymous wrote:Blah, blah, blah from the rich person trying to justify her privilege. ED needs to go because of the privilege it affords rich people (the ED admits are definitely lower quality admits). It also shows desperation on the part of the schools. Which is why truly elite schools like Harvard Princeton, Yale, mit, Caltech, Stanford don’t do it.

All of which is irrelevant to OP’s assertion. Her kid is anxious and it sounds like she is, too. None of that is the result of ED.

Top 25 schools are not offering merit. The FA they offer in ED is the same they will offer in RD. Fact is, if you haven't saved and/or are not willing to spend $90K/year, that won't change for RD/EA. If you need to/want to compare merit offers, that is fine, then ED isn't your thing. However, at schools where ED matters the most (the ones most on here are complaining about), you STILL won't be able to afford the school in RD. And if you "might be willing to pay the 90K if you don't get into another good school" well then, you need to decide that before Nov 1. But anyone can do ED.
Yes the decision to be full pay is easier if you can afford it. But exit the T25 and there are plenty of schools that will be affordable/give merit to assist. If you want elite/T25 school, you need to pay for it--nobody is entitled to it

Quit using the word "entitled." The only "Entitled" ones are the ones that can pay for it easily-the very definition of the word. Because they can take advantage of ED, knowing it will boost their chances of acceptance AND they can swing the bill.

The people complaining -and rightfully so- are those whose kids have worked hard but will be shut out due to inability to ED b/c of inability to pay. We are told from the time we are little that the American Dream is work hard and that will pay off. But that's BS. It pays off for the rich; everyone else is expected to settle for something less, then judged for it. Look on here all the people dismissing schools that are outside the top 20.

So spare me your "entitled" crap.

Nope---your kid feels "entitled to an elite education because they worked hard, have a high gpa and Sat and rigorous coursework". Nobody ever stated "if you work really hard, you will get to go to Harvard or Stanford".

Hint: nobody is entitled to an elite education---some win out and get admitted, most do not. For the last time: if you cannot afford a T25 school in ED, well nothing is going to change for RD. You would still be paying the same thing if you get admitted in RD (and odds are not that much worse---much of ED is QB, sports, legacy, really connected students with hooks who were getting in no matter what). So if you cannot pay 90K, it doesn't matter when you get accepted or rejected.

Oh---so you're saying, "well I want to compare offers, and if the next school that gives us money is lower than 50, well then we can find a way to pay $90K", well you have that choice too. however, then you are not willing to commit so you cannot do ED. ED is for someone willing to commit to the school and accept the NPC for that school. If you are not willing to do that (and I get that---if you don't have 90K/year saved, it's probably not the best idea), then ED may not be for you. And you should compare offers and search for merit---but that merit isn't coming from your T25 schools.


Hint: my kid worked "really hard, is really smart etc" yet still didnt' get into their ED1, and we are full pay. I'm not complaining, they tried, it didn't work, they moved on selected their best option (in the 30s) and is very happy and excelling academically and with internships.

Wrong. You are using entitled as "expected" or demanded. That's not it at all. You expect a fair shot at admission and attending. That's not entitled. That is the promise of what we tell these kids since they are little. And it is all BS. Just like ED.

And FTR, my kid did not go to an "elite" school by choice. So you can point that finger at someone else.

Given the critical reasoning skills you have demonstrated in this thread, and the influence nature/genetics has on academic achievement, I'm going to guess it wasn;t "by choice." At least, not her choice - the elite schools' choice, more likely. But hey, maybe she beat the odds.

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Eliminating ED will actually make college admissions more inequitable because colleges have limited financial resources. Admitting students early that are full pay, allows colleges to better predict enrollment and manage revenue. ED actually helps colleges to be able to afford to enroll a higher number of students on FA and enhances educational opportunities for low-income students that would otherwise be unable to afford to attend highly selective schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Eliminating ED will actually make college admissions more inequitable because colleges have limited financial resources. Admitting students early that are full pay, allows colleges to better predict enrollment and manage revenue. ED actually helps colleges to be able to afford to enroll a higher number of students on FA and enhances educational opportunities for low-income students that would otherwise be unable to afford to attend highly selective schools.

This 1000%!

Majority of 90K universities have a desired balance of full pay vs financial aid kids. Most have 55-60%+ at full pay. There will be less financial aid if that percent goes down---which hurts everyone else.

ED is not going anywhere. It's a useful tool for both students and universities. People who choose not to save enough to "afford their NPC amount" need to realize that is on them. Plenty of people can meet their NPC amount, even people in the "donut hole". Because they chose to save for college.

Just like everything in life, nothing is "fair" for everyone. The fact your kid can even consider T25 schools or you are a "donut hole family" means you have HUGE advantages in life over those who are eligible for full or nearly full FA. Your kid already has many advantages, you just wish they had more. But unless your name is Gates, Musk, Bezos, etc. someone will always have "more than you"

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Anonymous wrote:So my DD applied to her dream school. For the past couple of years we've been downplaying this school and hyping up some more reasonable schools. We even toured a few and she claimed how much she liked them. She assured us that she would be fine if she didn't win the ED lottery. Anytime I would mention another school she would quickly shut me down and tell me she has her list and she is good with it.
Part of me always thought she was blowing smoke to get us to back off and i was right.
ED school is announcing today and just got a call from her counselor that she is having a melt down at school triggered by a friend of hers who told her that this school will never accept someone from our high school. Our HS does not have the greatest reputation and although there have been a small handful of kids getting into top 10/Ivy - level schools - its few and far between.
So this comment was the straw that broke her back. The counselor told me that Dd unloaded on her and how hard she has worked (very true) to get straight As and take many AP classes (very true). Our school doesnt rank but she would definitely be top 5. The time she put into her ECs and building relationships with her teachers..... She kept telling me that she was doing all of this because she liked doing this but it turns out, it was because she wants this school this bad.
i am furious at the ED system for the torture this process causes for so many families. I thought it was terrible they announced hen results will come out so everyone can be on pins and needles for days. And why do schools announce before the holidays....similar to how companies announce layoffs before holidays...to ruin them?
And now, with this phone call, I am upset and having trouble focusing on my job.
Yes - I am going off here and mostly because I am her mom and believed her when she said she wouldn't care about not getting into this school. I should have known better.
Counselor said she calmed down and will be staying at school, but I am at a loss as to how to handle this situation when we all get home this afternoon and when we get the decision. This really really sucks.

The payoff for your kid is not the end result - it's the work they did to get there. Even if they don't get their desired result, the value of their experience is what actually matters. The one thing parents don't teach their kids enough is pushing ahead regardless of what happens. Failure is not permanent - only a temporary obstacle to be overcome. The harder they work, the better off they will be.

They won't see it now, but they will over time. Life is a long game...

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Anonymous wrote:Eliminating ED will actually make college admissions more inequitable because colleges have limited financial resources. Admitting students early that are full pay, allows colleges to better predict enrollment and manage revenue. ED actually helps colleges to be able to afford to enroll a higher number of students on FA and enhances educational opportunities for low-income students that would otherwise be unable to afford to attend highly selective schools.

Limited financial resources??? Have you seen the endowments are some of these top tier schools?

ED may indeed help predict revenues from enrollments, but perhaps they should also look at their administrative bloat and possibly get their costs under control as well so they aren't charging people 100K a year for an "education".

Last thing - ED may help rich kids who can afford it, and it may help the school provide FA to low income...but what about everyone in the middle? Doesn't help them at all - in fact it hurts them...

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Anonymous wrote:Eliminating ED will actually make college admissions more inequitable because colleges have limited financial resources. Admitting students early that are full pay, allows colleges to better predict enrollment and manage revenue. ED actually helps colleges to be able to afford to enroll a higher number of students on FA and enhances educational opportunities for low-income students that would otherwise be unable to afford to attend highly selective schools.

Limited financial resources??? Have you seen the endowments are some of these top tier schools?

ED may indeed help predict revenues from enrollments, but perhaps they should also look at their administrative bloat and possibly get their costs under control as well so they aren't charging people 100K a year for an "education".

Last thing - ED may help rich kids who can afford it, and it may help the school provide FA to low income...but what about everyone in the middle? Doesn't help them at all - in fact it hurts them...

Endowments are not used for financial aid or merit aid.

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Anonymous wrote:ED to a target you can afford.

Not all schools have ED. Very few of the ones my son looked at had ED.

Then clearly your son wasn’t looking at DCUM-approved schools 😂

you mean like Harvard or yale or Princeton? etc? All with no ED?

Girl plz. Get that stick outta your bum.

Are you in middle school?

You were proven wrong. Now admit it, like a big girl.

DP

I wasn’t proven wrong, but your response to my joke about DCUMs and colleges shows you can’t take one. Prob because of that stick. #sad