MAGA - describe when America was “Great”

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Anonymous wrote:There was a time where going to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, or Wharton meant something.

Now not so much.

Many employers now prefer to hire folks from state schools.

Many people prefer unsupported sweeping generalizations to actual data.
You might be right — but there’s no way to tell by your comment, or even to accurately assess it.
“Many employees “ includes everything from McDonalds to top tier law firms.
It’s a mistake to assume that all of the “many” are hiring for the same reasons or even the same skill sets.

Depends on what you're hiring for of course. Do you want a superstar that will use your company as a stepping stone, or do you want someone who will stay around long term. Both have their pluses and minuses.

True. And neither of these options is correlated with having a degree from HYP vs “state schools”.

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Anonymous wrote:"When them thar ______ knew their place."

They'll lie and say that's not it, but that's it.

- foreigners, like that Melania with her stupid accent,

Amirite? Amirite??

To quote a MAGA who was asked by a reporter about her questionable immigration status: "At least she's white"

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Melanie posed nude. WITH ANOTHER WOMAN!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Asking MAGAs honestly - please describe when America was “great” and what you want “again”. Thank you.

1980’s. Silicon Valley was crating innovation without own children

Business would hire US citizens and train them

College grads could find entry leve jobs and afford a house in 5 years of saving

It was immoral to fire someone and replace them with cheap temporary foreign worker

NP
Politics aside I think this is the first time I've ever heard anyone look back at the 1980s fondly.

Do you associate in any way with actual humans that were alive at that time? Or do you spend all your time grinding your teeth about politics and reading the internet?

80s were fun! And race relations were great then as reflected by appreciative pop culture. America was a big hug. The only thing we had to fear were the Ruskies, and yes, that was scary but it united us .

Was also the decade of AIDS and gay people were heavily discriminated against. There’s that heart wrenching story of the woman in Little Rock who took care of more than 1000 dying AIDS patients whose own families disowned them and had no one else to be with them on their deathbed or claim their bodies for burial.

Read this https://www.today.com/today/amp/tdna223666

Yes, well, this is another “fun” plus for MAGA’s—a rampant disease killing gay men.

It was also a decade for progress on gay rights, princess diana hugging AIDS patients and so on. it's interesting how the parallel progress and acceptance is never recognized. 80s rocked.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
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"Liberals" insult other people's rose-colored dream? The MAGA creed that they want to go back to the past is pooping all over many "liberals" rose-colored dream of equal treatment and respect for all people. How about that shite?

This whole post goes to show that there is good and bad in every time. For every thing you find from the past that was positive, we can find a dark underbelly or point out a group for which that time was horrible. That is NOT saying everything is horrible all the time. It is pointing out an unfortunate fact of human existence, that there is always a mix of good and bad. That there are always upsides and downsides to every thing. And whenever humans try to make things better, there are always some bad actors who try to take advantage and ruin it for everyone else for their own benefit.

The MAGA dream of "make America great again" is truly just an imaginary cherry-picking of things to benefit mainly white Americans or address white male grievances that they cannot say and do whatever they want without consequence. It's not really about making America ideal. So stop trying to pretend it's anything else.

Or it's a time when the middle class was strong.

You all are so obsessed about social equality that you ignore the real economic problems that are the result of giving away our economy and self sufficiency.

Hunger Trump's social issues.

the middle class was strong in the 1950's and 60's when unions were strong and the marginal tax rates for the top 20% was over 50%.

Correction needed: until the mid-60s the top tax rate was over 90%.

Yes. 90%.

And yes it led to investment in R&D, top notch infrastructure, excellent public schools (including university that was affordable).

Is MAGA then advocating for the highest tax rate to go back over 90%?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
m

"Liberals" insult other people's rose-colored dream? The MAGA creed that they want to go back to the past is pooping all over many "liberals" rose-colored dream of equal treatment and respect for all people. How about that shite?

This whole post goes to show that there is good and bad in every time. For every thing you find from the past that was positive, we can find a dark underbelly or point out a group for which that time was horrible. That is NOT saying everything is horrible all the time. It is pointing out an unfortunate fact of human existence, that there is always a mix of good and bad. That there are always upsides and downsides to every thing. And whenever humans try to make things better, there are always some bad actors who try to take advantage and ruin it for everyone else for their own benefit.

The MAGA dream of "make America great again" is truly just an imaginary cherry-picking of things to benefit mainly white Americans or address white male grievances that they cannot say and do whatever they want without consequence. It's not really about making America ideal. So stop trying to pretend it's anything else.

Or it's a time when the middle class was strong.

You all are so obsessed about social equality that you ignore the real economic problems that are the result of giving away our economy and self sufficiency.

Hunger Trump's social issues.

the middle class was strong in the 1950's and 60's when unions were strong and the marginal tax rates for the top 20% was over 50%.

Correction needed: until the mid-60s the top tax rate was over 90%.

Yes. 90%.

And yes it led to investment in R&D, top notch infrastructure, excellent public schools (including university that was affordable).

Is MAGA then advocating for the highest tax rate to go back over 90%?

That would require taxing investment income the same as regular income which is it's own hornets nest. Otherwise you won't capture all that much money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you're a Republican complaining about grocery costs, then what in the hell do you think they would cost if migrants weren't working in all of these industries providing you with meat, dairy, produce, etc?

There no reason those jobs shouldn't be a viable living wage. Exploiting foreigners for cheap stuff is normally wrong.

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“Kearney also contended that a stable two-parent household, particularly one where both parents are actively involved, offers unique advantages to children that extend beyond a pooled income. Having two parents in the household, Kearney explained, offers benefits such as increased parental time for activities like reading and homework assistance, as well as reduced stress and greater emotional bandwidth for parenting”


https://www.brookings.edu/articles/key-takeaways-from-the-discussion-on-the-two-parent-privilege/#:~:text=Having%20two%20parents%20in%20the,greater%20emotional%20bandwidth%20for%20parenting.

Yet, as I recall (from reading in college many years ago) These studies didn’t really look seriously at other family models. Two parents families are the default model. But what if the two parents have a hostile relationship, or if even one of them is seriously impaired by alcohol, other substance abuse, mental illness, or even unremitting stress. Would that really be “better” on clearly specified measures than, say, a household that includes a grandmother, her adult daughter and son, and her own children’s children? That offers all of the benefits that Kearney indicated, possibly with more egalitarian and more flexibility among the adults in the household, and possibly more support for the kids. I’m not arguing in favor of either model. I’m saying that there are multiple models beyond the ones that most researchers look at from the secure perspectives of their own cultures.

Not PP but I feel strongly that boys in particular benefit from a strong male in the house. I see this most striking when my husband goes out of town- even though we parent similarly and are both actively engaged, there just appears to be something different about a booming deep voice in regards to discipline that leaves a void when he is not here, despite my best efforts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
m

"Liberals" insult other people's rose-colored dream? The MAGA creed that they want to go back to the past is pooping all over many "liberals" rose-colored dream of equal treatment and respect for all people. How about that shite?

This whole post goes to show that there is good and bad in every time. For every thing you find from the past that was positive, we can find a dark underbelly or point out a group for which that time was horrible. That is NOT saying everything is horrible all the time. It is pointing out an unfortunate fact of human existence, that there is always a mix of good and bad. That there are always upsides and downsides to every thing. And whenever humans try to make things better, there are always some bad actors who try to take advantage and ruin it for everyone else for their own benefit.

The MAGA dream of "make America great again" is truly just an imaginary cherry-picking of things to benefit mainly white Americans or address white male grievances that they cannot say and do whatever they want without consequence. It's not really about making America ideal. So stop trying to pretend it's anything else.

Or it's a time when the middle class was strong.

You all are so obsessed about social equality that you ignore the real economic problems that are the result of giving away our economy and self sufficiency.

Hunger Trump's social issues.

the middle class was strong in the 1950's and 60's when unions were strong and the marginal tax rates for the top 20% was over 50%.

Correction needed: until the mid-60s the top tax rate was over 90%.

Yes. 90%.

And yes it led to investment in R&D, top notch infrastructure, excellent public schools (including university that was affordable).

Is MAGA then advocating for the highest tax rate to go back over 90%?

That would require taxing investment income the same as regular income which is it's own hornets nest. Otherwise you won't capture all that much money.

That’s not the question though is it? The MAGA crowd that has responded it is referring to America being great broadly in the post WWII decades until the 80s or the 90a. From the 30s until the 80s the highest marginal tax rate was well above 60% with about 25 years over 90%.

My question is whether MAGA and Trump are advocating for those tax rates to make America great again under the MAGA definition?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It would be great if I could afford my bills and groceries again. That would be great again.

Was everything "great" years ago? Hell no. But I need to afford groceries, heat, electricity, mortgage, etc. right now. Due to inflation, I've been knocked down lower on Maslows hierarchy of needs. My needs now are simply shelter, food, water, etc.

I dunno. I grew up in 1970s and my parents lived paycheck to paycheck. I mean they borrowed from the bank every month to pay off bills. We had very little in terms of things and never went on vacation. One small b&w tv. 5 of us sharing a bathroom. Both of my parents grew up in families who had very little as well. As in, 5 kids sleeping in one room. All hand-me-down clothes. One family didn't have a car, the other had a 30+ year old car that was falling apart. Basically the same as what you are saying now: the only things spent on were simply shelter, food, water. So, where was the great? I mean, I guess it sounds like for you it was the 90s? When a Democrat was in the White House?

2018 to 2020 we had no problems paying for things. We all know prices went through the roof in 2021.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
m

"Liberals" insult other people's rose-colored dream? The MAGA creed that they want to go back to the past is pooping all over many "liberals" rose-colored dream of equal treatment and respect for all people. How about that shite?

This whole post goes to show that there is good and bad in every time. For every thing you find from the past that was positive, we can find a dark underbelly or point out a group for which that time was horrible. That is NOT saying everything is horrible all the time. It is pointing out an unfortunate fact of human existence, that there is always a mix of good and bad. That there are always upsides and downsides to every thing. And whenever humans try to make things better, there are always some bad actors who try to take advantage and ruin it for everyone else for their own benefit.

The MAGA dream of "make America great again" is truly just an imaginary cherry-picking of things to benefit mainly white Americans or address white male grievances that they cannot say and do whatever they want without consequence. It's not really about making America ideal. So stop trying to pretend it's anything else.

Or it's a time when the middle class was strong.

You all are so obsessed about social equality that you ignore the real economic problems that are the result of giving away our economy and self sufficiency.

Hunger Trump's social issues.

the middle class was strong in the 1950's and 60's when unions were strong and the marginal tax rates for the top 20% was over 50%.

Correction needed: until the mid-60s the top tax rate was over 90%.

Yes. 90%.

And yes it led to investment in R&D, top notch infrastructure, excellent public schools (including university that was affordable).

Is MAGA then advocating for the highest tax rate to go back over 90%?

That would require taxing investment income the same as regular income which is it's own hornets nest. Otherwise you won't capture all that much money.

That’s not the question though is it? The MAGA crowd that has responded it is referring to America being great broadly in the post WWII decades until the 80s or the 90a. From the 30s until the 80s the highest marginal tax rate was well above 60% with about 25 years over 90%.

My question is whether MAGA and Trump are advocating for those tax rates to make America great again under the MAGA definition?

If yes, what’s MAGA getting in exchange for much higher taxes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you're a Republican complaining about grocery costs, then what in the hell do you think they would cost if migrants weren't working in all of these industries providing you with meat, dairy, produce, etc?

My DH, who is not a "migrant," works there. You are so out of touch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a Republican complaining about grocery costs, then what in the hell do you think they would cost if migrants weren't working in all of these industries providing you with meat, dairy, produce, etc?

There no reason those jobs shouldn't be a viable living wage. Exploiting foreigners for cheap stuff is normally wrong.

Yes and if they were a viable living wage, will you complain about the rise in cost to make up for that? You need to make up your mind.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It would be great if I could afford my bills and groceries again. That would be great again.

Was everything "great" years ago? Hell no. But I need to afford groceries, heat, electricity, mortgage, etc. right now. Due to inflation, I've been knocked down lower on Maslows hierarchy of needs. My needs now are simply shelter, food, water, etc.

I dunno. I grew up in 1970s and my parents lived paycheck to paycheck. I mean they borrowed from the bank every month to pay off bills. We had very little in terms of things and never went on vacation. One small b&w tv. 5 of us sharing a bathroom. Both of my parents grew up in families who had very little as well. As in, 5 kids sleeping in one room. All hand-me-down clothes. One family didn't have a car, the other had a 30+ year old car that was falling apart. Basically the same as what you are saying now: the only things spent on were simply shelter, food, water. So, where was the great? I mean, I guess it sounds like for you it was the 90s? When a Democrat was in the White House?

2018 to 2020 we had no problems paying for things. We all know prices went through the roof in 2021.

Those Trump tariffs helped inflation take off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
m

"Liberals" insult other people's rose-colored dream? The MAGA creed that they want to go back to the past is pooping all over many "liberals" rose-colored dream of equal treatment and respect for all people. How about that shite?

This whole post goes to show that there is good and bad in every time. For every thing you find from the past that was positive, we can find a dark underbelly or point out a group for which that time was horrible. That is NOT saying everything is horrible all the time. It is pointing out an unfortunate fact of human existence, that there is always a mix of good and bad. That there are always upsides and downsides to every thing. And whenever humans try to make things better, there are always some bad actors who try to take advantage and ruin it for everyone else for their own benefit.

The MAGA dream of "make America great again" is truly just an imaginary cherry-picking of things to benefit mainly white Americans or address white male grievances that they cannot say and do whatever they want without consequence. It's not really about making America ideal. So stop trying to pretend it's anything else.

Or it's a time when the middle class was strong.

You all are so obsessed about social equality that you ignore the real economic problems that are the result of giving away our economy and self sufficiency.

Hunger Trump's social issues.

the middle class was strong in the 1950's and 60's when unions were strong and the marginal tax rates for the top 20% was over 50%.

Correction needed: until the mid-60s the top tax rate was over 90%.

Yes. 90%.

And yes it led to investment in R&D, top notch infrastructure, excellent public schools (including university that was affordable).

Is MAGA then advocating for the highest tax rate to go back over 90%?

That would require taxing investment income the same as regular income which is it's own hornets nest. Otherwise you won't capture all that much money.

That’s not the question though is it? The MAGA crowd that has responded it is referring to America being great broadly in the post WWII decades until the 80s or the 90a. From the 30s until the 80s the highest marginal tax rate was well above 60% with about 25 years over 90%.

My question is whether MAGA and Trump are advocating for those tax rates to make America great again under the MAGA definition?

During the times of 90% taxation most of the wealthy were having their investment income taxed at a much lower rate instead of being paid wages. We see this today with various stock grants and $1 salaries.

It's window dressing. Business owners can shift it around in many different ways to legally avoid taxation. If one is serious about making the rich pay 90% of their income over a threshold you have to change how that is taxed.

I don't really have that much of a problem with shifting it around if it changes long term corporate behavior that isn't just thinking about the next quarter. Another bell labs or xerox parc would be nice.