Stats on how many white kids at each high school

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Anonymous wrote:Hundreds of millions of DC tax dollars supporting “Afrofuturism.”

Nice.

No, as noted above, that program is grant funded, not taxpayer funded. And also it's a lot less than "hundreds of millions" (it's 25 million spread over 6 schools including schools with programs that sound a lot less ridiculous than the Dunbar one).

Though insofar as programs like this paper over real issues at these schools that need actual solutions, it does undermine the benefit of actual DCPS spending. Because Dunbar embracing a program like this just further alienates IB families who want high academic standards and more academic opportunity, pushing them to look elsewhere than their by right school.

Np on this issue, but Dunbar is our inbounds high school. I looked at the website and as a non-African American, I legitimately can't tell if this school is open to my family: https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/

It very much looks like segregation is the aim.

I don't get that from the website (that segregation is the aim). They are (rightfully, IMO) celebrating a time of excellence for that school, when they sent graduates to the Ivy League during segregation. It really was a good school amidst an overtly racist school situation. Hard to talk about that past without including all the information.

I don't see it as them trying to recreate it... They just want current students to be reminded of that excellence.

np: I don't think you looked at the Mission and Vision page. Dunbar absolutely should be proud of its past, but its values explicitly emphasize Black pride, while there is no mention of their vision for a multicultural future.

It's not a reasonable application of taxpayer money for a neighborhood public school in a diverse boundary to identify itself as a jr. HBCU.

The website states: Our mission is to ensure that every student reaches their full potential through rigorous and joyful learning experiences provided in a nurturing environment.

You know that isn't all it says.

Maybe I missed it but where is the section that states its "values explicitly emphasize Black pride?"

https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/about_us/mission_and_vision

"Our Values

Sankofa
Community
Lifelong Learning
Activism
Pride [with black upraised fist icon]
"

All of the icons are black. If they were all white would that make you feel better?

So maybe it's meant to invoke anarchism? general resistance? trade union power?

And what of Sankofa?

You are being obtuse. You can split hairs on technicalities, but the message is still loud and clear.

The message I am getting from people on this board is that white people are uncomfortable if whiteness is not centered.

How about taking this message instead:

White people are uncomfortable if their child is zoned for a school and that school makes it clear that their child is not welcome.

The future is multicultural. Just because DC has been "Chocolate City" in the past doesn't mean that's its future. Is there some tension around this? Yes. Is it understandable? Yes.

Is it also understandable that white parents who pay taxes and have committed to this city want their child to be explicitly welcomed through words and actions into the school they are zoned for? Yes. Wouldn't you want the same as a black family?

The school's stated mission is to educate every student. I see the school as celebrating its history and you see it as "making it clear your child is not welcome." My other point is that in my opinion it doesn't matter if the school changed the website today to a more inclusive message, it would not lead to increased white enrollment because the students at the school are overwhelmingly black.

That’s funny, I don’t see a commitment to education explicitly stated anywhere outside of “lifelong learning,” and if look at revealed preference in terms of graduation rate and test scores, those look terrible as well. As for the “everyone” piece, it’s not troubling that the neighborhood public school population looks nothing like the neighborhood?

If non black people want the school to reflect the neighborhood, they should send their children there.

Also, by the way, the school (as of 2023) had 3 white students, 3 asian students, and 101 hispanic students, so it's not all white.

Should be not all black.

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Anonymous wrote:Hundreds of millions of DC tax dollars supporting “Afrofuturism.”

Nice.

No, as noted above, that program is grant funded, not taxpayer funded. And also it's a lot less than "hundreds of millions" (it's 25 million spread over 6 schools including schools with programs that sound a lot less ridiculous than the Dunbar one).

Though insofar as programs like this paper over real issues at these schools that need actual solutions, it does undermine the benefit of actual DCPS spending. Because Dunbar embracing a program like this just further alienates IB families who want high academic standards and more academic opportunity, pushing them to look elsewhere than their by right school.

Np on this issue, but Dunbar is our inbounds high school. I looked at the website and as a non-African American, I legitimately can't tell if this school is open to my family: https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/

It very much looks like segregation is the aim.

I don't get that from the website (that segregation is the aim). They are (rightfully, IMO) celebrating a time of excellence for that school, when they sent graduates to the Ivy League during segregation. It really was a good school amidst an overtly racist school situation. Hard to talk about that past without including all the information.

I don't see it as them trying to recreate it... They just want current students to be reminded of that excellence.

np: I don't think you looked at the Mission and Vision page. Dunbar absolutely should be proud of its past, but its values explicitly emphasize Black pride, while there is no mention of their vision for a multicultural future.

It's not a reasonable application of taxpayer money for a neighborhood public school in a diverse boundary to identify itself as a jr. HBCU.

The website states: Our mission is to ensure that every student reaches their full potential through rigorous and joyful learning experiences provided in a nurturing environment.

You know that isn't all it says.

Maybe I missed it but where is the section that states its "values explicitly emphasize Black pride?"

https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/about_us/mission_and_vision

"Our Values

Sankofa
Community
Lifelong Learning
Activism
Pride [with black upraised fist icon]
"

All of the icons are black. If they were all white would that make you feel better?

Imagine some school in Nebraska putting “retvrn” (as close to Sankofa as it gets in spirit from the supremacist brigades) and “pride” at the bottom, and you’ll roughly get how everyone not black feels when they see the language. We get the message, whether they carefully counted out 14 words or not.

oh just stop. you were never going to send your kid to Dunbar so myob and focus on your own child.

I would, they’re mixed and it’s a great football school. He’ll play like I did, and if he wants to play for real Dunbar is a place to do it. There’s a way to be empowering without being exclusive (and making in this case making some bad external attributions for being in bad shape). Dunbar is falling short there.

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Anonymous wrote:Hundreds of millions of DC tax dollars supporting “Afrofuturism.”

Nice.

No, as noted above, that program is grant funded, not taxpayer funded. And also it's a lot less than "hundreds of millions" (it's 25 million spread over 6 schools including schools with programs that sound a lot less ridiculous than the Dunbar one).

Though insofar as programs like this paper over real issues at these schools that need actual solutions, it does undermine the benefit of actual DCPS spending. Because Dunbar embracing a program like this just further alienates IB families who want high academic standards and more academic opportunity, pushing them to look elsewhere than their by right school.

Np on this issue, but Dunbar is our inbounds high school. I looked at the website and as a non-African American, I legitimately can't tell if this school is open to my family: https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/

It very much looks like segregation is the aim.

I don't get that from the website (that segregation is the aim). They are (rightfully, IMO) celebrating a time of excellence for that school, when they sent graduates to the Ivy League during segregation. It really was a good school amidst an overtly racist school situation. Hard to talk about that past without including all the information.

I don't see it as them trying to recreate it... They just want current students to be reminded of that excellence.

np: I don't think you looked at the Mission and Vision page. Dunbar absolutely should be proud of its past, but its values explicitly emphasize Black pride, while there is no mention of their vision for a multicultural future.

It's not a reasonable application of taxpayer money for a neighborhood public school in a diverse boundary to identify itself as a jr. HBCU.

The website states: Our mission is to ensure that every student reaches their full potential through rigorous and joyful learning experiences provided in a nurturing environment.

You know that isn't all it says.

Maybe I missed it but where is the section that states its "values explicitly emphasize Black pride?"

https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/about_us/mission_and_vision

"Our Values

Sankofa
Community
Lifelong Learning
Activism
Pride [with black upraised fist icon]
"

All of the icons are black. If they were all white would that make you feel better?

Imagine some school in Nebraska putting “retvrn” (as close to Sankofa as it gets in spirit from the supremacist brigades) and “pride” at the bottom, and you’ll roughly get how everyone not black feels when they see the language. We get the message, whether they carefully counted out 14 words or not.

oh just stop. you were never going to send your kid to Dunbar so myob and focus on your own child.

This. Leave Dunbar alone and let them try to uplift and educate the kids who actually go there. I'm speaking as a non-black resident of this neighborhood with kids. Not everyone has to bend over backwards and erase their own history to make a white lady who has NO intention of sending her kids there more comfortable.

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Celebrating the history of Dunbar is really cool and important. Adding a class or two on Afrofuturism would have been cool. But, if you believe that racially and socioeconomically diverse schools are a truly valid long-term goal which would overall best serve the interests of all students, rebranding the entire school as rooted in Afrofuturism was a gigantic step backwards.

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Anonymous wrote:Hundreds of millions of DC tax dollars supporting “Afrofuturism.”

Nice.

No, as noted above, that program is grant funded, not taxpayer funded. And also it's a lot less than "hundreds of millions" (it's 25 million spread over 6 schools including schools with programs that sound a lot less ridiculous than the Dunbar one).

Though insofar as programs like this paper over real issues at these schools that need actual solutions, it does undermine the benefit of actual DCPS spending. Because Dunbar embracing a program like this just further alienates IB families who want high academic standards and more academic opportunity, pushing them to look elsewhere than their by right school.

Np on this issue, but Dunbar is our inbounds high school. I looked at the website and as a non-African American, I legitimately can't tell if this school is open to my family: https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/

It very much looks like segregation is the aim.

I don't get that from the website (that segregation is the aim). They are (rightfully, IMO) celebrating a time of excellence for that school, when they sent graduates to the Ivy League during segregation. It really was a good school amidst an overtly racist school situation. Hard to talk about that past without including all the information.

I don't see it as them trying to recreate it... They just want current students to be reminded of that excellence.

np: I don't think you looked at the Mission and Vision page. Dunbar absolutely should be proud of its past, but its values explicitly emphasize Black pride, while there is no mention of their vision for a multicultural future.

It's not a reasonable application of taxpayer money for a neighborhood public school in a diverse boundary to identify itself as a jr. HBCU.

The website states: Our mission is to ensure that every student reaches their full potential through rigorous and joyful learning experiences provided in a nurturing environment.

You know that isn't all it says.

Maybe I missed it but where is the section that states its "values explicitly emphasize Black pride?"

https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/about_us/mission_and_vision

"Our Values

Sankofa
Community
Lifelong Learning
Activism
Pride [with black upraised fist icon]
"

All of the icons are black. If they were all white would that make you feel better?

Imagine some school in Nebraska putting “retvrn” (as close to Sankofa as it gets in spirit from the supremacist brigades) and “pride” at the bottom, and you’ll roughly get how everyone not black feels when they see the language. We get the message, whether they carefully counted out 14 words or not.

It is really disingenuous to equate Sankofa which is a Ghanaian word that basicaly means to reflect on the past with the goal of improving the future with white supremacist tropes like retvrn and the ok symbol.

And Robert e Lee just loved Virginia

Most reasonable people would not equate these concepts. If that is how you see it then you are a lost cause.

There are multiple people posting up and down here about how we equate white and black supremacism, and know it when we see it. Black power in dc is, generally speaking, pretty supremacist in language and action, and just generally antagonistic to anyone who doesn’t look the part. There are good historical reasons for that, but you can’t blame people for reading the signal to stay away loud and clear, and then staying away.

This is all a completely imagined scenario designed to make UMC a little more comfortable by having another external target for their internal anxiety about their children. I promise you that any white child enrolled at Dunbar would he welcomed and if you set foot in their as a white parent everyone would be exceedingly kind and helpful. I know this because my child goes to a 90% black school and I have not one single time felt anything other than totally welcomed.

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Anonymous wrote:Hundreds of millions of DC tax dollars supporting “Afrofuturism.”

Nice.

No, as noted above, that program is grant funded, not taxpayer funded. And also it's a lot less than "hundreds of millions" (it's 25 million spread over 6 schools including schools with programs that sound a lot less ridiculous than the Dunbar one).

Though insofar as programs like this paper over real issues at these schools that need actual solutions, it does undermine the benefit of actual DCPS spending. Because Dunbar embracing a program like this just further alienates IB families who want high academic standards and more academic opportunity, pushing them to look elsewhere than their by right school.

Np on this issue, but Dunbar is our inbounds high school. I looked at the website and as a non-African American, I legitimately can't tell if this school is open to my family: https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/

It very much looks like segregation is the aim.

I don't get that from the website (that segregation is the aim). They are (rightfully, IMO) celebrating a time of excellence for that school, when they sent graduates to the Ivy League during segregation. It really was a good school amidst an overtly racist school situation. Hard to talk about that past without including all the information.

I don't see it as them trying to recreate it... They just want current students to be reminded of that excellence.

np: I don't think you looked at the Mission and Vision page. Dunbar absolutely should be proud of its past, but its values explicitly emphasize Black pride, while there is no mention of their vision for a multicultural future.

It's not a reasonable application of taxpayer money for a neighborhood public school in a diverse boundary to identify itself as a jr. HBCU.

The website states: Our mission is to ensure that every student reaches their full potential through rigorous and joyful learning experiences provided in a nurturing environment.

You know that isn't all it says.

Maybe I missed it but where is the section that states its "values explicitly emphasize Black pride?"

https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/about_us/mission_and_vision

"Our Values

Sankofa
Community
Lifelong Learning
Activism
Pride [with black upraised fist icon]
"

All of the icons are black. If they were all white would that make you feel better?

Imagine some school in Nebraska putting “retvrn” (as close to Sankofa as it gets in spirit from the supremacist brigades) and “pride” at the bottom, and you’ll roughly get how everyone not black feels when they see the language. We get the message, whether they carefully counted out 14 words or not.

oh just stop. you were never going to send your kid to Dunbar so myob and focus on your own child.

This. Leave Dunbar alone and let them try to uplift and educate the kids who actually go there. I'm speaking as a non-black resident of this neighborhood with kids. Not everyone has to bend over backwards and erase their own history to make a white lady who has NO intention of sending her kids there more comfortable.

I can kind of see this argument for a Private school? (And even then, I mean, invert the argument and it looks really bad) But a public one? Absolutely not

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Anonymous wrote:Hundreds of millions of DC tax dollars supporting “Afrofuturism.”

Nice.

No, as noted above, that program is grant funded, not taxpayer funded. And also it's a lot less than "hundreds of millions" (it's 25 million spread over 6 schools including schools with programs that sound a lot less ridiculous than the Dunbar one).

Though insofar as programs like this paper over real issues at these schools that need actual solutions, it does undermine the benefit of actual DCPS spending. Because Dunbar embracing a program like this just further alienates IB families who want high academic standards and more academic opportunity, pushing them to look elsewhere than their by right school.

Np on this issue, but Dunbar is our inbounds high school. I looked at the website and as a non-African American, I legitimately can't tell if this school is open to my family: https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/

It very much looks like segregation is the aim.

I don't get that from the website (that segregation is the aim). They are (rightfully, IMO) celebrating a time of excellence for that school, when they sent graduates to the Ivy League during segregation. It really was a good school amidst an overtly racist school situation. Hard to talk about that past without including all the information.

I don't see it as them trying to recreate it... They just want current students to be reminded of that excellence.

np: I don't think you looked at the Mission and Vision page. Dunbar absolutely should be proud of its past, but its values explicitly emphasize Black pride, while there is no mention of their vision for a multicultural future.

It's not a reasonable application of taxpayer money for a neighborhood public school in a diverse boundary to identify itself as a jr. HBCU.

The website states: Our mission is to ensure that every student reaches their full potential through rigorous and joyful learning experiences provided in a nurturing environment.

You know that isn't all it says.

Maybe I missed it but where is the section that states its "values explicitly emphasize Black pride?"

https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/about_us/mission_and_vision

"Our Values

Sankofa
Community
Lifelong Learning
Activism
Pride [with black upraised fist icon]
"

All of the icons are black. If they were all white would that make you feel better?

Imagine some school in Nebraska putting “retvrn” (as close to Sankofa as it gets in spirit from the supremacist brigades) and “pride” at the bottom, and you’ll roughly get how everyone not black feels when they see the language. We get the message, whether they carefully counted out 14 words or not.

oh just stop. you were never going to send your kid to Dunbar so myob and focus on your own child.

This. Leave Dunbar alone and let them try to uplift and educate the kids who actually go there. I'm speaking as a non-black resident of this neighborhood with kids. Not everyone has to bend over backwards and erase their own history to make a white lady who has NO intention of sending her kids there more comfortable.

right. to be clear I think project Q or whatever sounds like a boondoggle but to be pretending to be offended that DCPS schools have a lot of black iconography is just 🤡 🤡

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Anonymous wrote:Hundreds of millions of DC tax dollars supporting “Afrofuturism.”

Nice.

No, as noted above, that program is grant funded, not taxpayer funded. And also it's a lot less than "hundreds of millions" (it's 25 million spread over 6 schools including schools with programs that sound a lot less ridiculous than the Dunbar one).

Though insofar as programs like this paper over real issues at these schools that need actual solutions, it does undermine the benefit of actual DCPS spending. Because Dunbar embracing a program like this just further alienates IB families who want high academic standards and more academic opportunity, pushing them to look elsewhere than their by right school.

Np on this issue, but Dunbar is our inbounds high school. I looked at the website and as a non-African American, I legitimately can't tell if this school is open to my family: https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/

It very much looks like segregation is the aim.

I don't get that from the website (that segregation is the aim). They are (rightfully, IMO) celebrating a time of excellence for that school, when they sent graduates to the Ivy League during segregation. It really was a good school amidst an overtly racist school situation. Hard to talk about that past without including all the information.

I don't see it as them trying to recreate it... They just want current students to be reminded of that excellence.

np: I don't think you looked at the Mission and Vision page. Dunbar absolutely should be proud of its past, but its values explicitly emphasize Black pride, while there is no mention of their vision for a multicultural future.

It's not a reasonable application of taxpayer money for a neighborhood public school in a diverse boundary to identify itself as a jr. HBCU.

The website states: Our mission is to ensure that every student reaches their full potential through rigorous and joyful learning experiences provided in a nurturing environment.

You know that isn't all it says.

Maybe I missed it but where is the section that states its "values explicitly emphasize Black pride?"

https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/about_us/mission_and_vision

"Our Values

Sankofa
Community
Lifelong Learning
Activism
Pride [with black upraised fist icon]
"

All of the icons are black. If they were all white would that make you feel better?

So maybe it's meant to invoke anarchism? general resistance? trade union power?

And what of Sankofa?

You are being obtuse. You can split hairs on technicalities, but the message is still loud and clear.

The message I am getting from people on this board is that white people are uncomfortable if whiteness is not centered.

How about taking this message instead:

White people are uncomfortable if their child is zoned for a school and that school makes it clear that their child is not welcome.

The future is multicultural. Just because DC has been "Chocolate City" in the past doesn't mean that's its future. Is there some tension around this? Yes. Is it understandable? Yes.

Is it also understandable that white parents who pay taxes and have committed to this city want their child to be explicitly welcomed through words and actions into the school they are zoned for? Yes. Wouldn't you want the same as a black family?

The school's stated mission is to educate every student. I see the school as celebrating its history and you see it as "making it clear your child is not welcome." My other point is that in my opinion it doesn't matter if the school changed the website today to a more inclusive message, it would not lead to increased white enrollment because the students at the school are overwhelmingly black.

That’s funny, I don’t see a commitment to education explicitly stated anywhere outside of “lifelong learning,” and if look at revealed preference in terms of graduation rate and test scores, those look terrible as well. As for the “everyone” piece, it’s not troubling that the neighborhood public school population looks nothing like the neighborhood?

If non black people want the school to reflect the neighborhood, they should send their children there.

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Anonymous wrote:Hundreds of millions of DC tax dollars supporting “Afrofuturism.”

Nice.

No, as noted above, that program is grant funded, not taxpayer funded. And also it's a lot less than "hundreds of millions" (it's 25 million spread over 6 schools including schools with programs that sound a lot less ridiculous than the Dunbar one).

Though insofar as programs like this paper over real issues at these schools that need actual solutions, it does undermine the benefit of actual DCPS spending. Because Dunbar embracing a program like this just further alienates IB families who want high academic standards and more academic opportunity, pushing them to look elsewhere than their by right school.

Np on this issue, but Dunbar is our inbounds high school. I looked at the website and as a non-African American, I legitimately can't tell if this school is open to my family: https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/

It very much looks like segregation is the aim.

I don't get that from the website (that segregation is the aim). They are (rightfully, IMO) celebrating a time of excellence for that school, when they sent graduates to the Ivy League during segregation. It really was a good school amidst an overtly racist school situation. Hard to talk about that past without including all the information.

I don't see it as them trying to recreate it... They just want current students to be reminded of that excellence.

np: I don't think you looked at the Mission and Vision page. Dunbar absolutely should be proud of its past, but its values explicitly emphasize Black pride, while there is no mention of their vision for a multicultural future.

It's not a reasonable application of taxpayer money for a neighborhood public school in a diverse boundary to identify itself as a jr. HBCU.

The website states: Our mission is to ensure that every student reaches their full potential through rigorous and joyful learning experiences provided in a nurturing environment.

You know that isn't all it says.

Maybe I missed it but where is the section that states its "values explicitly emphasize Black pride?"

https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/about_us/mission_and_vision

"Our Values

Sankofa
Community
Lifelong Learning
Activism
Pride [with black upraised fist icon]
"

All of the icons are black. If they were all white would that make you feel better?

Imagine some school in Nebraska putting “retvrn” (as close to Sankofa as it gets in spirit from the supremacist brigades) and “pride” at the bottom, and you’ll roughly get how everyone not black feels when they see the language. We get the message, whether they carefully counted out 14 words or not.

It is really disingenuous to equate Sankofa which is a Ghanaian word that basicaly means to reflect on the past with the goal of improving the future with white supremacist tropes like retvrn and the ok symbol.

And Robert e Lee just loved Virginia

Most reasonable people would not equate these concepts. If that is how you see it then you are a lost cause.

There are multiple people posting up and down here about how we equate white and black supremacism, and know it when we see it. Black power in dc is, generally speaking, pretty supremacist in language and action, and just generally antagonistic to anyone who doesn’t look the part. There are good historical reasons for that, but you can’t blame people for reading the signal to stay away loud and clear, and then staying away.

This is all a completely imagined scenario designed to make UMC a little more comfortable by having another external target for their internal anxiety about their children. I promise you that any white child enrolled at Dunbar would he welcomed and if you set foot in their as a white parent everyone would be exceedingly kind and helpful. I know this because my child goes to a 90% black school and I have not one single time felt anything other than totally welcomed.

And I bet they’re at schools that are institutionally committed to equity inside the school. Dunbar is not, and structures produce the outcomes intended by an institution even if the actors within them don’t intend for that outcome.

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Anonymous wrote:Hundreds of millions of DC tax dollars supporting “Afrofuturism.”

Nice.

No, as noted above, that program is grant funded, not taxpayer funded. And also it's a lot less than "hundreds of millions" (it's 25 million spread over 6 schools including schools with programs that sound a lot less ridiculous than the Dunbar one).

Though insofar as programs like this paper over real issues at these schools that need actual solutions, it does undermine the benefit of actual DCPS spending. Because Dunbar embracing a program like this just further alienates IB families who want high academic standards and more academic opportunity, pushing them to look elsewhere than their by right school.

Np on this issue, but Dunbar is our inbounds high school. I looked at the website and as a non-African American, I legitimately can't tell if this school is open to my family: https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/

It very much looks like segregation is the aim.

I don't get that from the website (that segregation is the aim). They are (rightfully, IMO) celebrating a time of excellence for that school, when they sent graduates to the Ivy League during segregation. It really was a good school amidst an overtly racist school situation. Hard to talk about that past without including all the information.

I don't see it as them trying to recreate it... They just want current students to be reminded of that excellence.

np: I don't think you looked at the Mission and Vision page. Dunbar absolutely should be proud of its past, but its values explicitly emphasize Black pride, while there is no mention of their vision for a multicultural future.

It's not a reasonable application of taxpayer money for a neighborhood public school in a diverse boundary to identify itself as a jr. HBCU.

The website states: Our mission is to ensure that every student reaches their full potential through rigorous and joyful learning experiences provided in a nurturing environment.

You know that isn't all it says.

Maybe I missed it but where is the section that states its "values explicitly emphasize Black pride?"

https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/about_us/mission_and_vision

"Our Values

Sankofa
Community
Lifelong Learning
Activism
Pride [with black upraised fist icon]
"

All of the icons are black. If they were all white would that make you feel better?

Imagine some school in Nebraska putting “retvrn” (as close to Sankofa as it gets in spirit from the supremacist brigades) and “pride” at the bottom, and you’ll roughly get how everyone not black feels when they see the language. We get the message, whether they carefully counted out 14 words or not.

oh just stop. you were never going to send your kid to Dunbar so myob and focus on your own child.

I would, they’re mixed and it’s a great football school. He’ll play like I did, and if he wants to play for real Dunbar is a place to do it. There’s a way to be empowering without being exclusive (and making in this case making some bad external attributions for being in bad shape). Dunbar is falling short there.

sure you would. and sure the Sankofa image is stopping you!

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Anonymous wrote:Hundreds of millions of DC tax dollars supporting “Afrofuturism.”

Nice.

No, as noted above, that program is grant funded, not taxpayer funded. And also it's a lot less than "hundreds of millions" (it's 25 million spread over 6 schools including schools with programs that sound a lot less ridiculous than the Dunbar one).

Though insofar as programs like this paper over real issues at these schools that need actual solutions, it does undermine the benefit of actual DCPS spending. Because Dunbar embracing a program like this just further alienates IB families who want high academic standards and more academic opportunity, pushing them to look elsewhere than their by right school.

Np on this issue, but Dunbar is our inbounds high school. I looked at the website and as a non-African American, I legitimately can't tell if this school is open to my family: https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/

It very much looks like segregation is the aim.

I don't get that from the website (that segregation is the aim). They are (rightfully, IMO) celebrating a time of excellence for that school, when they sent graduates to the Ivy League during segregation. It really was a good school amidst an overtly racist school situation. Hard to talk about that past without including all the information.

I don't see it as them trying to recreate it... They just want current students to be reminded of that excellence.

np: I don't think you looked at the Mission and Vision page. Dunbar absolutely should be proud of its past, but its values explicitly emphasize Black pride, while there is no mention of their vision for a multicultural future.

It's not a reasonable application of taxpayer money for a neighborhood public school in a diverse boundary to identify itself as a jr. HBCU.

The website states: Our mission is to ensure that every student reaches their full potential through rigorous and joyful learning experiences provided in a nurturing environment.

You know that isn't all it says.

Maybe I missed it but where is the section that states its "values explicitly emphasize Black pride?"

https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/about_us/mission_and_vision

"Our Values

Sankofa
Community
Lifelong Learning
Activism
Pride [with black upraised fist icon]
"

All of the icons are black. If they were all white would that make you feel better?

Imagine some school in Nebraska putting “retvrn” (as close to Sankofa as it gets in spirit from the supremacist brigades) and “pride” at the bottom, and you’ll roughly get how everyone not black feels when they see the language. We get the message, whether they carefully counted out 14 words or not.

It is really disingenuous to equate Sankofa which is a Ghanaian word that basicaly means to reflect on the past with the goal of improving the future with white supremacist tropes like retvrn and the ok symbol.

And Robert e Lee just loved Virginia

Most reasonable people would not equate these concepts. If that is how you see it then you are a lost cause.

There are multiple people posting up and down here about how we equate white and black supremacism, and know it when we see it. Black power in dc is, generally speaking, pretty supremacist in language and action, and just generally antagonistic to anyone who doesn’t look the part. There are good historical reasons for that, but you can’t blame people for reading the signal to stay away loud and clear, and then staying away.

I think it is more nuanced. This is just my take but when pro black or African iconography is used it is typically to celebrate cultures that have been systematically oppressed and discriminated against - hence Dunbar's segregated past. The symbolism is to uplift and inspire a group needs encouragement and validation, not to imply that blacks are superior to whites.

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Anonymous wrote:Hundreds of millions of DC tax dollars supporting “Afrofuturism.”

Nice.

No, as noted above, that program is grant funded, not taxpayer funded. And also it's a lot less than "hundreds of millions" (it's 25 million spread over 6 schools including schools with programs that sound a lot less ridiculous than the Dunbar one).

Though insofar as programs like this paper over real issues at these schools that need actual solutions, it does undermine the benefit of actual DCPS spending. Because Dunbar embracing a program like this just further alienates IB families who want high academic standards and more academic opportunity, pushing them to look elsewhere than their by right school.

Np on this issue, but Dunbar is our inbounds high school. I looked at the website and as a non-African American, I legitimately can't tell if this school is open to my family: https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/

It very much looks like segregation is the aim.

I don't get that from the website (that segregation is the aim). They are (rightfully, IMO) celebrating a time of excellence for that school, when they sent graduates to the Ivy League during segregation. It really was a good school amidst an overtly racist school situation. Hard to talk about that past without including all the information.

I don't see it as them trying to recreate it... They just want current students to be reminded of that excellence.

np: I don't think you looked at the Mission and Vision page. Dunbar absolutely should be proud of its past, but its values explicitly emphasize Black pride, while there is no mention of their vision for a multicultural future.

It's not a reasonable application of taxpayer money for a neighborhood public school in a diverse boundary to identify itself as a jr. HBCU.

The website states: Our mission is to ensure that every student reaches their full potential through rigorous and joyful learning experiences provided in a nurturing environment.

You know that isn't all it says.

Maybe I missed it but where is the section that states its "values explicitly emphasize Black pride?"

https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/about_us/mission_and_vision

"Our Values

Sankofa
Community
Lifelong Learning
Activism
Pride [with black upraised fist icon]
"

All of the icons are black. If they were all white would that make you feel better?

Imagine some school in Nebraska putting “retvrn” (as close to Sankofa as it gets in spirit from the supremacist brigades) and “pride” at the bottom, and you’ll roughly get how everyone not black feels when they see the language. We get the message, whether they carefully counted out 14 words or not.

It is really disingenuous to equate Sankofa which is a Ghanaian word that basicaly means to reflect on the past with the goal of improving the future with white supremacist tropes like retvrn and the ok symbol.

And Robert e Lee just loved Virginia

Most reasonable people would not equate these concepts. If that is how you see it then you are a lost cause.

There are multiple people posting up and down here about how we equate white and black supremacism, and know it when we see it. Black power in dc is, generally speaking, pretty supremacist in language and action, and just generally antagonistic to anyone who doesn’t look the part. There are good historical reasons for that, but you can’t blame people for reading the signal to stay away loud and clear, and then staying away.

This is all a completely imagined scenario designed to make UMC a little more comfortable by having another external target for their internal anxiety about their children. I promise you that any white child enrolled at Dunbar would he welcomed and if you set foot in their as a white parent everyone would be exceedingly kind and helpful. I know this because my child goes to a 90% black school and I have not one single time felt anything other than totally welcomed.

And I bet they’re at schools that are institutionally committed to equity inside the school. Dunbar is not, and structures produce the outcomes intended by an institution even if the actors within them don’t intend for that outcome.

Well aren’t you the brave civil rights warrior. If you are so convinced by this why not stand up and integrate the school? Nobody is stopping you.

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Anonymous wrote:Hundreds of millions of DC tax dollars supporting “Afrofuturism.”

Nice.

No, as noted above, that program is grant funded, not taxpayer funded. And also it's a lot less than "hundreds of millions" (it's 25 million spread over 6 schools including schools with programs that sound a lot less ridiculous than the Dunbar one).

Though insofar as programs like this paper over real issues at these schools that need actual solutions, it does undermine the benefit of actual DCPS spending. Because Dunbar embracing a program like this just further alienates IB families who want high academic standards and more academic opportunity, pushing them to look elsewhere than their by right school.

Np on this issue, but Dunbar is our inbounds high school. I looked at the website and as a non-African American, I legitimately can't tell if this school is open to my family: https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/

It very much looks like segregation is the aim.

I don't get that from the website (that segregation is the aim). They are (rightfully, IMO) celebrating a time of excellence for that school, when they sent graduates to the Ivy League during segregation. It really was a good school amidst an overtly racist school situation. Hard to talk about that past without including all the information.

I don't see it as them trying to recreate it... They just want current students to be reminded of that excellence.

np: I don't think you looked at the Mission and Vision page. Dunbar absolutely should be proud of its past, but its values explicitly emphasize Black pride, while there is no mention of their vision for a multicultural future.

It's not a reasonable application of taxpayer money for a neighborhood public school in a diverse boundary to identify itself as a jr. HBCU.

The website states: Our mission is to ensure that every student reaches their full potential through rigorous and joyful learning experiences provided in a nurturing environment.

You know that isn't all it says.

Maybe I missed it but where is the section that states its "values explicitly emphasize Black pride?"

https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/about_us/mission_and_vision

"Our Values

Sankofa
Community
Lifelong Learning
Activism
Pride [with black upraised fist icon]
"

All of the icons are black. If they were all white would that make you feel better?

Imagine some school in Nebraska putting “retvrn” (as close to Sankofa as it gets in spirit from the supremacist brigades) and “pride” at the bottom, and you’ll roughly get how everyone not black feels when they see the language. We get the message, whether they carefully counted out 14 words or not.

It is really disingenuous to equate Sankofa which is a Ghanaian word that basicaly means to reflect on the past with the goal of improving the future with white supremacist tropes like retvrn and the ok symbol.

And Robert e Lee just loved Virginia

Most reasonable people would not equate these concepts. If that is how you see it then you are a lost cause.

There are multiple people posting up and down here about how we equate white and black supremacism, and know it when we see it. Black power in dc is, generally speaking, pretty supremacist in language and action, and just generally antagonistic to anyone who doesn’t look the part. There are good historical reasons for that, but you can’t blame people for reading the signal to stay away loud and clear, and then staying away.

I think it is more nuanced. This is just my take but when pro black or African iconography is used it is typically to celebrate cultures that have been systematically oppressed and discriminated against - hence Dunbar's segregated past. The symbolism is to uplift and inspire a group needs encouragement and validation, not to imply that blacks are superior to whites.

Surely we can give encouragement and validation without fostering an us-versus-them mentality.

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Anonymous wrote:Hundreds of millions of DC tax dollars supporting “Afrofuturism.”

Nice.

No, as noted above, that program is grant funded, not taxpayer funded. And also it's a lot less than "hundreds of millions" (it's 25 million spread over 6 schools including schools with programs that sound a lot less ridiculous than the Dunbar one).

Though insofar as programs like this paper over real issues at these schools that need actual solutions, it does undermine the benefit of actual DCPS spending. Because Dunbar embracing a program like this just further alienates IB families who want high academic standards and more academic opportunity, pushing them to look elsewhere than their by right school.

Np on this issue, but Dunbar is our inbounds high school. I looked at the website and as a non-African American, I legitimately can't tell if this school is open to my family: https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/

It very much looks like segregation is the aim.

I don't get that from the website (that segregation is the aim). They are (rightfully, IMO) celebrating a time of excellence for that school, when they sent graduates to the Ivy League during segregation. It really was a good school amidst an overtly racist school situation. Hard to talk about that past without including all the information.

I don't see it as them trying to recreate it... They just want current students to be reminded of that excellence.

np: I don't think you looked at the Mission and Vision page. Dunbar absolutely should be proud of its past, but its values explicitly emphasize Black pride, while there is no mention of their vision for a multicultural future.

It's not a reasonable application of taxpayer money for a neighborhood public school in a diverse boundary to identify itself as a jr. HBCU.

The website states: Our mission is to ensure that every student reaches their full potential through rigorous and joyful learning experiences provided in a nurturing environment.

You know that isn't all it says.

Maybe I missed it but where is the section that states its "values explicitly emphasize Black pride?"

https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/about_us/mission_and_vision

"Our Values

Sankofa
Community
Lifelong Learning
Activism
Pride [with black upraised fist icon]
"

All of the icons are black. If they were all white would that make you feel better?

Imagine some school in Nebraska putting “retvrn” (as close to Sankofa as it gets in spirit from the supremacist brigades) and “pride” at the bottom, and you’ll roughly get how everyone not black feels when they see the language. We get the message, whether they carefully counted out 14 words or not.

It is really disingenuous to equate Sankofa which is a Ghanaian word that basicaly means to reflect on the past with the goal of improving the future with white supremacist tropes like retvrn and the ok symbol.

And Robert e Lee just loved Virginia

Most reasonable people would not equate these concepts. If that is how you see it then you are a lost cause.

There are multiple people posting up and down here about how we equate white and black supremacism, and know it when we see it. Black power in dc is, generally speaking, pretty supremacist in language and action, and just generally antagonistic to anyone who doesn’t look the part. There are good historical reasons for that, but you can’t blame people for reading the signal to stay away loud and clear, and then staying away.

I think it is more nuanced. This is just my take but when pro black or African iconography is used it is typically to celebrate cultures that have been systematically oppressed and discriminated against - hence Dunbar's segregated past. The symbolism is to uplift and inspire a group needs encouragement and validation, not to imply that blacks are superior to whites.

Surely we can give encouragement and validation without fostering an us-versus-them mentality.

Surely you can understand why Black history iconography in an all-Black school is not “us vs them.” My 10 year old could grasp why DCPS celebrates black history so much. You can too!

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Anonymous wrote:Hundreds of millions of DC tax dollars supporting “Afrofuturism.”

Nice.

No, as noted above, that program is grant funded, not taxpayer funded. And also it's a lot less than "hundreds of millions" (it's 25 million spread over 6 schools including schools with programs that sound a lot less ridiculous than the Dunbar one).

Though insofar as programs like this paper over real issues at these schools that need actual solutions, it does undermine the benefit of actual DCPS spending. Because Dunbar embracing a program like this just further alienates IB families who want high academic standards and more academic opportunity, pushing them to look elsewhere than their by right school.

Np on this issue, but Dunbar is our inbounds high school. I looked at the website and as a non-African American, I legitimately can't tell if this school is open to my family: https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/

It very much looks like segregation is the aim.

I don't get that from the website (that segregation is the aim). They are (rightfully, IMO) celebrating a time of excellence for that school, when they sent graduates to the Ivy League during segregation. It really was a good school amidst an overtly racist school situation. Hard to talk about that past without including all the information.

I don't see it as them trying to recreate it... They just want current students to be reminded of that excellence.

np: I don't think you looked at the Mission and Vision page. Dunbar absolutely should be proud of its past, but its values explicitly emphasize Black pride, while there is no mention of their vision for a multicultural future.

It's not a reasonable application of taxpayer money for a neighborhood public school in a diverse boundary to identify itself as a jr. HBCU.

The website states: Our mission is to ensure that every student reaches their full potential through rigorous and joyful learning experiences provided in a nurturing environment.

You know that isn't all it says.

Maybe I missed it but where is the section that states its "values explicitly emphasize Black pride?"

https://www.dunbarhsdc.org/about_us/mission_and_vision

"Our Values

Sankofa
Community
Lifelong Learning
Activism
Pride [with black upraised fist icon]
"

All of the icons are black. If they were all white would that make you feel better?

Imagine some school in Nebraska putting “retvrn” (as close to Sankofa as it gets in spirit from the supremacist brigades) and “pride” at the bottom, and you’ll roughly get how everyone not black feels when they see the language. We get the message, whether they carefully counted out 14 words or not.

oh just stop. you were never going to send your kid to Dunbar so myob and focus on your own child.

I would, they’re mixed and it’s a great football school. He’ll play like I did, and if he wants to play for real Dunbar is a place to do it. There’s a way to be empowering without being exclusive (and making in this case making some bad external attributions for being in bad shape). Dunbar is falling short there.

sure you would. and sure the Sankofa image is stopping you!

I mean first and foremost, it’s a terrible school with a pretty good football team attached, and you don’t need to settle for that here like you do in the country. Throw a rock and you hit a good, committed coach at a decent school. If it were even a slightly better school, and committed to that I’d definitely consider it. The way to get to being a better school is by convincing people in the neighborhood to go there.