Youth sports and over scheduling

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Anonymous wrote:People know other people, we all know kids who are overscheduled whether you want to admit it or not. Also, there is only so much time in a day.

I think you think about how other people spend their time too much.

I don't at all. I'm participating in a thread about overscheduling.

So you didn’t read the article

Of course I did

It’s about learning to under schedule and leave over schedulers alone. They aren’t the problem, your feeling you need to keep up is the problem.

I don't feel the need to keep up with them at all. I think overscheduling is very bad for kids. And I've never attacked anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really see kids these days having much different schedules then my friends and I had in the Midwest in the 80s. Year round swim team from a young age, plus several other sports depending on the season or age, an instrument, etc.

I'm in the Midwest and that is what people do today. Competitive swim or hockey/baseball, plus another sport or two each season. Some do an instrument, but nobody calls out families for overdoing sports. Only if the kid is taking an instrument or doing academic enrichment is he "over scheduled." Meanwhile I'm side eying the elementary kid who can't make half his practices due to his "main sport", and when he shows up to games and practices he's a tired mess.

DP, but I do find it interesting that this thread is in the sports forum, but the one study mentioned in the article is about everything kids do after school, including homework. It also found the effects strongest in high school, not younger. It feels like kind of the reverse of your situation (probably cultural in different regions), but I see a lot more overscheduling discourse here around the problems elementary schoolers in travel sports and not high schoolers with too much homework.

(I have neither a high schooler nor a kid in travel sports, so I'm not coming at this from either angle personally)

Kids at every age need and should have free time, they deserve it . I understand wanting to keep high school aged teens out if trouble, and some business is good, but overscheduling is never good.

I don't think I know a single competitive college bound high schooler who isn't overscheduled by those definitions.

You don't know a college bound high schooler who can't scrape together several hours of hangout time with friends every week? Really?

Not in this day in age anyway. When I was in HS yes, but weren't as busy or had as much homework. And I find it hard to believe that ppl haven't met overscheduled kids who were forced to do activities

I find it hard to believe that kids don't have free time. How much of that is because they're scrolling TikTok while they're supposed to be doing homework? When I was in HS it was just IM-ing other kids instead of doing our work, but same idea. I don't buy that kids have more homework now than they did decades ago, given the insane amount of griping about teachers giving less and less homework in the press and on here.

I don't understand parents wanting their kids to have a ton of homework either.

Because I want my kid to learn how to be successful. And part of life is doing work (even if homework seems mindless or redundant). Learning to do work and learning to manage one's schedule at a young age assists down the road. Further, without doing homework, how can you (and the school system) possible know if a student has mastered the material. I'm also not talking about hours and hours but the ten minute per grade up through 6th grade is a good gage of how much homework a child should have.

Homework does not equal success in life though. Adults don't have homework.

I don't find it unironic that the anti-homework crowd fails in reading and reading comprehension (they aren't the same thing). I said I want my kid to learn to be successful and part of that is doing work. I didn't write work would make you successful. I also set the parameters out that I thought equated to what level of homework I child should have - 10 minutes per grade level. And for you anti homeworkers out there, I'll provide an example, for a 1st grade that would mean 10 minutes, a second grader 20 minutes. That's basically a worksheet a night. That is not tons.

Adults have work. A prerequisite to being a successful adult is hard work. Working hard doesn't mean you will be successful but part of the equation that includes things like luck, intelligence, etc.

But, hey, if homework wasn't that important you wouldn't be protesting so much because your kids school doesn't give any.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really see kids these days having much different schedules then my friends and I had in the Midwest in the 80s. Year round swim team from a young age, plus several other sports depending on the season or age, an instrument, etc.

I'm in the Midwest and that is what people do today. Competitive swim or hockey/baseball, plus another sport or two each season. Some do an instrument, but nobody calls out families for overdoing sports. Only if the kid is taking an instrument or doing academic enrichment is he "over scheduled." Meanwhile I'm side eying the elementary kid who can't make half his practices due to his "main sport", and when he shows up to games and practices he's a tired mess.

DP, but I do find it interesting that this thread is in the sports forum, but the one study mentioned in the article is about everything kids do after school, including homework. It also found the effects strongest in high school, not younger. It feels like kind of the reverse of your situation (probably cultural in different regions), but I see a lot more overscheduling discourse here around the problems elementary schoolers in travel sports and not high schoolers with too much homework.

(I have neither a high schooler nor a kid in travel sports, so I'm not coming at this from either angle personally)

Kids at every age need and should have free time, they deserve it . I understand wanting to keep high school aged teens out if trouble, and some business is good, but overscheduling is never good.

I don't think I know a single competitive college bound high schooler who isn't overscheduled by those definitions.

You don't know a college bound high schooler who can't scrape together several hours of hangout time with friends every week? Really?

Not in this day in age anyway. When I was in HS yes, but weren't as busy or had as much homework. And I find it hard to believe that ppl haven't met overscheduled kids who were forced to do activities

I find it hard to believe that kids don't have free time. How much of that is because they're scrolling TikTok while they're supposed to be doing homework? When I was in HS it was just IM-ing other kids instead of doing our work, but same idea. I don't buy that kids have more homework now than they did decades ago, given the insane amount of griping about teachers giving less and less homework in the press and on here.

I don't understand parents wanting their kids to have a ton of homework either.

Because I want my kid to learn how to be successful. And part of life is doing work (even if homework seems mindless or redundant). Learning to do work and learning to manage one's schedule at a young age assists down the road. Further, without doing homework, how can you (and the school system) possible know if a student has mastered the material. I'm also not talking about hours and hours but the ten minute per grade up through 6th grade is a good gage of how much homework a child should have.

My child didn’t do any honors or APs and did fine at a T30 college.

DP. There's a big difference between not pushing hard through high school and being an ES kid who literally doesn't know how to manage your afternoon because your teacher is too lazy to assign 15 minutes of math worksheets - which is a common complaint these days on the public school forums (not everyone, not at every school, but common enough). If your kid is in college or out of college now, your kid went to school in a much different environment. So much has changed in a decade with elementary school educations.

No it hasn’t.

I managed my kids school so they weren’t taking Algebra in 6th or 7th and being pushed into ridiculous classes with endless homework.

You push your kids homework because you think it will get them somewhere… like the article says.

My child followed his passion.., which looked to you like over scheduling… and his passion led home somewhere.

Parents don’t understand that we are letting kids follow passion not pushing them .

PP you immediately responded to here. My kids are in ES. My 6th and 4th graders don't have homework.

You made assumptions that I: 1) was anti keeping kids busy with non-academic stuff and 2) push my kids to have a bajillion hours of homework.

And neither of those are correct.

I’m responding to this

I don't understand parents wanting their kids to have a ton of homework either.

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Because I want my kid to learn how to be successful. And part of life is doing work

Kids get too much homework, that's the problem.

One of the pro-homework PPs here. Only one of my 3 kids gets homework (the youngest, because that makes sense) and it's 20 minutes a day and that kid is in 2nd grade. Perfectly fits in the "10 minutes per grade per day" parameters.

The other 2 could use more practice on basics like math and spelling, but no. No homework for them unless I set it up.

So no, my kids definitely don't have too much homework. If they did maybe I'd be complaining the other way.

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The effects are temporary

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Anonymous wrote:The effects are temporary

The effects of what are temporary?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really see kids these days having much different schedules then my friends and I had in the Midwest in the 80s. Year round swim team from a young age, plus several other sports depending on the season or age, an instrument, etc.

I'm in the Midwest and that is what people do today. Competitive swim or hockey/baseball, plus another sport or two each season. Some do an instrument, but nobody calls out families for overdoing sports. Only if the kid is taking an instrument or doing academic enrichment is he "over scheduled." Meanwhile I'm side eying the elementary kid who can't make half his practices due to his "main sport", and when he shows up to games and practices he's a tired mess.

DP, but I do find it interesting that this thread is in the sports forum, but the one study mentioned in the article is about everything kids do after school, including homework. It also found the effects strongest in high school, not younger. It feels like kind of the reverse of your situation (probably cultural in different regions), but I see a lot more overscheduling discourse here around the problems elementary schoolers in travel sports and not high schoolers with too much homework.

(I have neither a high schooler nor a kid in travel sports, so I'm not coming at this from either angle personally)

Kids at every age need and should have free time, they deserve it . I understand wanting to keep high school aged teens out if trouble, and some business is good, but overscheduling is never good.

I don't think I know a single competitive college bound high schooler who isn't overscheduled by those definitions.

You don't know a college bound high schooler who can't scrape together several hours of hangout time with friends every week? Really?

Not in this day in age anyway. When I was in HS yes, but weren't as busy or had as much homework. And I find it hard to believe that ppl haven't met overscheduled kids who were forced to do activities

I find it hard to believe that kids don't have free time. How much of that is because they're scrolling TikTok while they're supposed to be doing homework? When I was in HS it was just IM-ing other kids instead of doing our work, but same idea. I don't buy that kids have more homework now than they did decades ago, given the insane amount of griping about teachers giving less and less homework in the press and on here.

I don't understand parents wanting their kids to have a ton of homework either.

Because I want my kid to learn how to be successful. And part of life is doing work (even if homework seems mindless or redundant). Learning to do work and learning to manage one's schedule at a young age assists down the road. Further, without doing homework, how can you (and the school system) possible know if a student has mastered the material. I'm also not talking about hours and hours but the ten minute per grade up through 6th grade is a good gage of how much homework a child should have.

Homework does not equal success in life though. Adults don't have homework.

I don't find it unironic that the anti-homework crowd fails in reading and reading comprehension (they aren't the same thing). I said I want my kid to learn to be successful and part of that is doing work. I didn't write work would make you successful. I also set the parameters out that I thought equated to what level of homework I child should have - 10 minutes per grade level. And for you anti homeworkers out there, I'll provide an example, for a 1st grade that would mean 10 minutes, a second grader 20 minutes. That's basically a worksheet a night. That is not tons.

Adults have work. A prerequisite to being a successful adult is hard work. Working hard doesn't mean you will be successful but part of the equation that includes things like luck, intelligence, etc.

But, hey, if homework wasn't that important you wouldn't be protesting so much because your kids school doesn't give any.

So kids don't learn to work hard without homework or sports? Adults don't take work home with them.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really see kids these days having much different schedules then my friends and I had in the Midwest in the 80s. Year round swim team from a young age, plus several other sports depending on the season or age, an instrument, etc.

I'm in the Midwest and that is what people do today. Competitive swim or hockey/baseball, plus another sport or two each season. Some do an instrument, but nobody calls out families for overdoing sports. Only if the kid is taking an instrument or doing academic enrichment is he "over scheduled." Meanwhile I'm side eying the elementary kid who can't make half his practices due to his "main sport", and when he shows up to games and practices he's a tired mess.

DP, but I do find it interesting that this thread is in the sports forum, but the one study mentioned in the article is about everything kids do after school, including homework. It also found the effects strongest in high school, not younger. It feels like kind of the reverse of your situation (probably cultural in different regions), but I see a lot more overscheduling discourse here around the problems elementary schoolers in travel sports and not high schoolers with too much homework.

(I have neither a high schooler nor a kid in travel sports, so I'm not coming at this from either angle personally)

Kids at every age need and should have free time, they deserve it . I understand wanting to keep high school aged teens out if trouble, and some business is good, but overscheduling is never good.

I don't think I know a single competitive college bound high schooler who isn't overscheduled by those definitions.

You don't know a college bound high schooler who can't scrape together several hours of hangout time with friends every week? Really?

Not in this day in age anyway. When I was in HS yes, but weren't as busy or had as much homework. And I find it hard to believe that ppl haven't met overscheduled kids who were forced to do activities

I find it hard to believe that kids don't have free time. How much of that is because they're scrolling TikTok while they're supposed to be doing homework? When I was in HS it was just IM-ing other kids instead of doing our work, but same idea. I don't buy that kids have more homework now than they did decades ago, given the insane amount of griping about teachers giving less and less homework in the press and on here.

I don't understand parents wanting their kids to have a ton of homework either.

Because I want my kid to learn how to be successful. And part of life is doing work (even if homework seems mindless or redundant). Learning to do work and learning to manage one's schedule at a young age assists down the road. Further, without doing homework, how can you (and the school system) possible know if a student has mastered the material. I'm also not talking about hours and hours but the ten minute per grade up through 6th grade is a good gage of how much homework a child should have.

Homework does not equal success in life though. Adults don't have homework.

I don't find it unironic that the anti-homework crowd fails in reading and reading comprehension (they aren't the same thing). I said I want my kid to learn to be successful and part of that is doing work. I didn't write work would make you successful. I also set the parameters out that I thought equated to what level of homework I child should have - 10 minutes per grade level. And for you anti homeworkers out there, I'll provide an example, for a 1st grade that would mean 10 minutes, a second grader 20 minutes. That's basically a worksheet a night. That is not tons.

Adults have work. A prerequisite to being a successful adult is hard work. Working hard doesn't mean you will be successful but part of the equation that includes things like luck, intelligence, etc.

But, hey, if homework wasn't that important you wouldn't be protesting so much because your kids school doesn't give any.

So kids don't learn to work hard without homework or sports? Adults don't take work home with them.

Not sure what type of work you do, but adults most certainly do take work home - or work outside of the normal work hours.

How about the point that homework allows you (the parent/teacher) to figure out whether a kid understands the material. If they don't this allows for earlier intervention to ensure they do understand the material. Waiting for a test 3-4 weeks after the material was provided is very much too late because the class is on to the next topic.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really see kids these days having much different schedules then my friends and I had in the Midwest in the 80s. Year round swim team from a young age, plus several other sports depending on the season or age, an instrument, etc.

I'm in the Midwest and that is what people do today. Competitive swim or hockey/baseball, plus another sport or two each season. Some do an instrument, but nobody calls out families for overdoing sports. Only if the kid is taking an instrument or doing academic enrichment is he "over scheduled." Meanwhile I'm side eying the elementary kid who can't make half his practices due to his "main sport", and when he shows up to games and practices he's a tired mess.

DP, but I do find it interesting that this thread is in the sports forum, but the one study mentioned in the article is about everything kids do after school, including homework. It also found the effects strongest in high school, not younger. It feels like kind of the reverse of your situation (probably cultural in different regions), but I see a lot more overscheduling discourse here around the problems elementary schoolers in travel sports and not high schoolers with too much homework.

(I have neither a high schooler nor a kid in travel sports, so I'm not coming at this from either angle personally)

Kids at every age need and should have free time, they deserve it . I understand wanting to keep high school aged teens out if trouble, and some business is good, but overscheduling is never good.

I don't think I know a single competitive college bound high schooler who isn't overscheduled by those definitions.

You don't know a college bound high schooler who can't scrape together several hours of hangout time with friends every week? Really?

Not in this day in age anyway. When I was in HS yes, but weren't as busy or had as much homework. And I find it hard to believe that ppl haven't met overscheduled kids who were forced to do activities

I find it hard to believe that kids don't have free time. How much of that is because they're scrolling TikTok while they're supposed to be doing homework? When I was in HS it was just IM-ing other kids instead of doing our work, but same idea. I don't buy that kids have more homework now than they did decades ago, given the insane amount of griping about teachers giving less and less homework in the press and on here.

I don't understand parents wanting their kids to have a ton of homework either.

Because I want my kid to learn how to be successful. And part of life is doing work (even if homework seems mindless or redundant). Learning to do work and learning to manage one's schedule at a young age assists down the road. Further, without doing homework, how can you (and the school system) possible know if a student has mastered the material. I'm also not talking about hours and hours but the ten minute per grade up through 6th grade is a good gage of how much homework a child should have.

Homework does not equal success in life though. Adults don't have homework.

I don't find it unironic that the anti-homework crowd fails in reading and reading comprehension (they aren't the same thing). I said I want my kid to learn to be successful and part of that is doing work. I didn't write work would make you successful. I also set the parameters out that I thought equated to what level of homework I child should have - 10 minutes per grade level. And for you anti homeworkers out there, I'll provide an example, for a 1st grade that would mean 10 minutes, a second grader 20 minutes. That's basically a worksheet a night. That is not tons.

Adults have work. A prerequisite to being a successful adult is hard work. Working hard doesn't mean you will be successful but part of the equation that includes things like luck, intelligence, etc.

But, hey, if homework wasn't that important you wouldn't be protesting so much because your kids school doesn't give any.

So kids don't learn to work hard without homework or sports? Adults don't take work home with them.

Not sure what type of work you do, but adults most certainly do take work home - or work outside of the normal work hours.

How about the point that homework allows you (the parent/teacher) to figure out whether a kid understands the material. If they don't this allows for earlier intervention to ensure they do understand the material. Waiting for a test 3-4 weeks after the material was provided is very much too late because the class is on to the next topic.

An adult can choose or not to take a job that requires this. Not the same.

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If kids are overscheduled and have an overreliance on organized activities or screens, aren't parents c9ncerned that they won't learn how to entertain themselves

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really see kids these days having much different schedules then my friends and I had in the Midwest in the 80s. Year round swim team from a young age, plus several other sports depending on the season or age, an instrument, etc.

I'm in the Midwest and that is what people do today. Competitive swim or hockey/baseball, plus another sport or two each season. Some do an instrument, but nobody calls out families for overdoing sports. Only if the kid is taking an instrument or doing academic enrichment is he "over scheduled." Meanwhile I'm side eying the elementary kid who can't make half his practices due to his "main sport", and when he shows up to games and practices he's a tired mess.

DP, but I do find it interesting that this thread is in the sports forum, but the one study mentioned in the article is about everything kids do after school, including homework. It also found the effects strongest in high school, not younger. It feels like kind of the reverse of your situation (probably cultural in different regions), but I see a lot more overscheduling discourse here around the problems elementary schoolers in travel sports and not high schoolers with too much homework.

(I have neither a high schooler nor a kid in travel sports, so I'm not coming at this from either angle personally)

Kids at every age need and should have free time, they deserve it . I understand wanting to keep high school aged teens out if trouble, and some business is good, but overscheduling is never good.

Over anything is never good. The problem is, you don't get to define what overscheduling is for everyone else.

What Michael Phelps eats in a day would be considered overeating for a majority of Americans. But it's not for him. There are a million other examples, but the point is, over anything is bad, but there is no line that says what is under/normal/over for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:It may be hard to define overscheduling, but no one can really give an answer as to why kids being so busy is a good thing

Busy doing what? If they're out playing with friends, they're "busy." If they're in bed reading, they're "busy." Do you have a prescribed amount of time per day that kids should spend meditating? Even then they're technically busy...

And I have no dog in this fight because my kids aren't overscheduled but you're just being ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:It may be hard to define overscheduling, but no one can really give an answer as to why kids being so busy is a good thing

Busy doing what? If they're out playing with friends, they're "busy." If they're in bed reading, they're "busy." Do you have a prescribed amount of time per day that kids should spend meditating? Even then they're technically busy...

And I have no dog in this fight because my kids aren't overscheduled but you're just being ridiculous.

I'm not ridiculous, you know exactly what I mean by busy and overscheduling.

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What am I doing with my life reading this discussion….

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Anonymous wrote:What am I doing with my life reading this discussion….

It's quite long, but its good.

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I can eat that Indian for lunch