Mass shooting at KC Chiefs victory parade

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the presence of 800 LEOs ("good guys") isn't enough to deter gun crime, then we are truly living in a lawless time. Expecting "good guys" to bail us out each and every time is simply not realistic. Reducing the number of guns and making it harder to get them is what's needed.

I disagree.
Making it harder for law abiding citizens to own firearms will result in criminals being the ones with the weapons.
Law abiding citizens should be free to defend themselves and their loved ones.
After all, when seconds matter, the police are just minutes away.
The solution is getting criminals off the streets. Let's find out what the rap sheets are on these shooters.

INCORRECT. Every gun used by a criminal originally started out in the hands of a supposed "law abiding citizen." Every single one. That shows that there aren't enough controls on the supposed law-abiders. There are far too many people who can legally purchase guns skirting laws to funnel them to criminals, there are far too many irresponsible law abiding criminals who fail to secure their guns, who let friends and relatives with criminal records or criminal intent get guns through them and so on. The more checks, balances and controls in place, the harder it will be for criminals to get guns.

How are laws going to make it harder for criminals to get guns?

The issue: CRIMINALS DON’T ABIDE BY LAWS.

We have laws against murder, rape, kidnapping, theft, drunk driving: those crimes still happen EVERY DAY.


Laws don’t change criminal behavior; laws punish criminals who commit crimes.

I don’t rape people, steal, kill, etc, because I have no desire to do those things. I am not sitting at home thinking: “hmmmm, boy oh boy, I sure would like to go rape and murder some people. But gosh darn it! Those laws say I can’t! So now I can’t! Curse those laws from keeping me from doing evil! Oh well, guess I will go check out my tomato plants in the garden, instead.”

You are very confused. Nobody is saying that illegal guns = no more murder. We are saying that guns have a higher kill rate than other tools that murderers commonly use and therefor fewer guns in circulation = less death and innocent bystander carnage whenever thugs fight or whatever the actions of the criminal. This is not rocket science yet you guys can’t seem to comprehend the actual debate here.

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

Did TJ allow his slaves to own guns?

You want to make your fellow Americans slaves, you have no right to judge TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:If the presence of 800 LEOs ("good guys") isn't enough to deter gun crime, then we are truly living in a lawless time. Expecting "good guys" to bail us out each and every time is simply not realistic. Reducing the number of guns and making it harder to get them is what's needed.

I disagree.
Making it harder for law abiding citizens to own firearms will result in criminals being the ones with the weapons.
Law abiding citizens should be free to defend themselves and their loved ones.
After all, when seconds matter, the police are just minutes away.
The solution is getting criminals off the streets. Let's find out what the rap sheets are on these shooters.

INCORRECT. Every gun used by a criminal originally started out in the hands of a supposed "law abiding citizen." Every single one. That shows that there aren't enough controls on the supposed law-abiders. There are far too many people who can legally purchase guns skirting laws to funnel them to criminals, there are far too many irresponsible law abiding criminals who fail to secure their guns, who let friends and relatives with criminal records or criminal intent get guns through them and so on. The more checks, balances and controls in place, the harder it will be for criminals to get guns.

How are laws going to make it harder for criminals to get guns?

The issue: CRIMINALS DON’T ABIDE BY LAWS.

We have laws against murder, rape, kidnapping, theft, drunk driving: those crimes still happen EVERY DAY.


Laws don’t change criminal behavior; laws punish criminals who commit crimes.

I don’t rape people, steal, kill, etc, because I have no desire to do those things. I am not sitting at home thinking: “hmmmm, boy oh boy, I sure would like to go rape and murder some people. But gosh darn it! Those laws say I can’t! So now I can’t! Curse those laws from keeping me from doing evil! Oh well, guess I will go check out my tomato plants in the garden, instead.”

You are very confused. Nobody is saying that illegal guns = no more murder. We are saying that guns have a higher kill rate than other tools that murderers commonly use and therefor fewer guns in circulation = less death and innocent bystander carnage whenever thugs fight or whatever the actions of the criminal. This is not rocket science yet you guys can’t seem to comprehend the actual debate here.

So take guns away from the criminals, not law abiding citizens.

There can be 3 billion guns in circulation, lthe responsible and law abiding gun owners aren’t using guns to kill or harm anyone. They are already following the law.

Why are criminals using guns currently to do these things? There are already hundreds of laws that prohibit criminal behavior. Why will criminals follow the new laws you all want to pass?

At what point are you willfully ignoring the fact that criminals aren’t going to follow any law passed, so what is the real reason you want to take my guns?

So there are less guns which equals less opportunity to use them to kill people.
Less guns = less opportunity to use one to kill people. Simple. It's so simple.
My question to you is why do you think you need a gun? What are you so afraid of?

The 2nd Amendment gives every American the right to own a gun. I am exercising my 2nd Amendment rights.

What other rights guaranteed by the Constitution are exercised out of “fear?”

Owning guns and hunting and shooting skeet are all enjoyable hobbies. Hunting is extremely enjoyable and venison is delicious. It’s nice to have a freezer packed with venison.

Why do you associate a Constitutional right with fear? You seem to be projecting your fear of guns onto other people.

My Military training with weapons began in Basic Training, every trainee must qualify on their weapon to graduate Basic Training. That is not based on fear;
it’s based on the ability to safely and effectively use a weapon to protect yourself, your buddies, and protect America. You do understand there are many people who don’t like Americans and America, and we protect our people and country with weapons, right?

Do you think police should be unarmed- what are they afraid of?

Politicians and celebrities have bodyguards and security- what are they afraid of?

Jewish synagogues have armed security guards- what are they afraid of?

Walk into your local Social Security Administration office, the first person you will encounter is a fully armed security guard- what are they afraid of?

Why do you live in the community you do? Did you choose a house in part based on location? You did? Why? Are you so afraid of crime you bought a house in an area with low crime? Why? What are you afraid of in low or lower ses communities?

Do you lock your door to your home, have a security system, and Ring/Nest doorbells and cameras around your home and property? What are you afraid of?

Crazy people like you!

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Remember: people who are posting here about implementing gun control, and anyone who otherwise is a gun control proponent, is not disturbed by every communist regime banning their citizens from owning guns and then killing millions of their own citizens.

They literally don’t care.

They say oh, that’s not going to happen in America! Never!!

Then why not just prosecute people who commit gun crimes? Why is it so awful for law abiding Americans to own guns?

Read about communist regimes and their policies on gun control and ownership.

Read about how many of their own citizens they killed.

There is a reason why every communist government banned gun ownership and possession. They don’t want their people to have the ability to defend themselves or fight back.

[Anonymous]

After reading this, a few observations:

-a lawful gun owner becomes an unlawful gun owner when that owner kills/shoots someone so who cares about the argument about lawful v. unlawful gun owner no important

-citizens owning guns is not the thing that is keeping the government from oppressing them

-women and children are sacrificed to protect US gun culture

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After reading this, a few observations:

-a lawful gun owner becomes an unlawful gun owner when that owner kills/shoots someone so who cares about the argument about lawful v. unlawful gun owner no important

-citizens owning guns is not the thing that is keeping the government from oppressing them

-women and children are sacrificed to protect US gun culture

Women have every right to purchase a gun and learn how to use a gun for protection.

HAMMOND, La. (WVUE) - A man suspected of breaking into a home was shot and killed by a woman who was protecting her two children, according to the Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff’s Office.

Authorities say the shooting happened around 5 a.m. on Sun., Jan. 8 on Klein Road in Hammond.

Robert Rheams, 51, was wearing a ski mask and armed with a shovel and a lug wrench when he broke into the home of a woman and her two young children, detectives say.

A physical altercation took place between Rheams and the homeowner which deputies say ended when the woman shot the alleged intruder.

https://www.fox8live.com/2023/01/09/home-invasion-suspect-killed-by-woman-protecting-her-children-hammond-sheriff-says/?outputType=amp

Women and children are sacrificed because of violence against them because they are physically weaker than men are.

What do you think a man wearing a ski mask, armed with a shovel and a lug wrench, was going to do to this woman and her children? Dig them a garden? Tighten some bolts and nuts around their apartment? How about beat them all to death?


Detectives tied Rheams to an attempted carjacking hours prior one street over near the intersection of Old Baton Rouge Highway and Willow Villa Road.

Travis said that the car owner was an out-of-state worker staying in a local motel when Rheams asked him to give him a ride.

“During the drive, he started striking the driver with his fist and the driver ran into a ditch causing the car to become stuck,” Travis said. “The driver was able to exit the car and flee to safety.”

Travis said the driver was battered and bruised from the attack and his stuck car was abandoned by the suspect.

Authorities say Rheams is also responsible for robbing a deli on Old Baton Rouge Highway one day before, around 8 p.m. Saturday night.

The chief added that the woman’s house that was broken into appeared “totally random,” and that the two had no prior knowledge of each other.

The department said the woman confronted Rheams when he entered her bedroom and fatally shot him. Officials with the Tangipahoa Sheriff's Office say two children were asleep inside the home when the incident occurred.

Rheams was out on parole at the time of the shooting, having served 20 years in prison for armed robbery.

Travis says the case appears to be a homeowner exercising second amendment rights to protect herself and her children from a violent home invasion.

No arrests have been made.


“a lawful gun owner becomes an unlawful gun owner when that owner kills/shoots someone so who cares about the argument about lawful v. unlawful gun owner no important”

I have no idea what this means, it’s a garbled mess of words that means absolutely nothing. Legal gun ownership is guaranteed for every American citizen under our Constitution. You don’t get to decide who a legal gun owner is. We are all legal gun owners.

If you don’t want to own a gun, don’t own a gun. If you don’t like guns, don’t like guns. You don’t have any right to limit or restrict gun ownership for other people.

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

[Anonymous]

If you vote in Trump in November, we will give up our guns. Deal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you vote in Trump in November, we will give up our guns. Deal?

Trump is a felon. Aim higher MAGA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guarantee it was gang-related.

This. But that will be downplayed. Given what it actually was, this story will fizzle so fast. Mark my words.

[Anonymous]

Have they seriously not charged any of the "suspects" yet??

[Anonymous]

How did so many children get shot? The 22 victims range in age from 8 to 47, Graves said, adding that half are younger than 16.

A shooting that killed a local DJ and injured more than 20 others, including children, at the end of the Kansas City Chiefs’ Super Bowl victory rally on Wednesday appears to have stemmed from a dispute between several people, according to the city's police chief.

Authorities say two juveniles remain in custody while police investigate the violence that overshadowed the celebration. A third person, an adult, was released Thursday after officials deemed them uninvolved in the shooting.

One of the three people detained in the wake of Wednesday’s Super Bowl celebration shooting has been released, the Kansas City Police Department said. That person was determined not to have been involved, a police spokesperson tells CNN.

Only two juvenile teens are currently in custody in connection with the incident, according to the police department.

"A third person who was in custody was determined to not be involved," spokesperson Alayna Gonzalez said.

"The two juveniles are currently being held in custody while we work with juvenile prosecutors to review investigative findings and determine applicable charges," the spokesperson added. "The juvenile court system determines the custody status of all juvenile arrests."



https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/14/us/kansas-city-chiefs-rally-shooting-thursday/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guarantee it was gang-related.

This. But that will be downplayed. Given what it actually was, this story will fizzle so fast. Mark my words.

It's going to fizzle because another multiple shooting will take its place in a few days. Mark my words.

[Anonymous]

From the CNN article above:

"The two juveniles are currently being held in custody while we work with juvenile prosecutors to review investigative findings and determine applicable charges," the spokesperson added. "The juvenile court system determines the custody status of all juvenile arrests."

This is maddening.
These "juveniles" brought firearms to this venue, shot 2 dozen people, killing 1.
If you are going to carry a firearm that the law says only people over 21 can carry, then you should be treated as an adult.

[Anonymous]

And democrats want people who own guns to be stripped of their gun rights because of people who act in criminal ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the CNN article above:

"The two juveniles are currently being held in custody while we work with juvenile prosecutors to review investigative findings and determine applicable charges," the spokesperson added. "The juvenile court system determines the custody status of all juvenile arrests."

This is maddening.
These "juveniles" brought firearms to this venue, shot 2 dozen people, killing 1.
If you are going to carry a firearm that the law says only people over 21 can carry, then you should be treated as an adult.

Absolutely. Just disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the CNN article above:

"The two juveniles are currently being held in custody while we work with juvenile prosecutors to review investigative findings and determine applicable charges," the spokesperson added. "The juvenile court system determines the custody status of all juvenile arrests."

This is maddening.
These "juveniles" brought firearms to this venue, shot 2 dozen people, killing 1.
If you are going to carry a firearm that the law says only people over 21 can carry, then you should be treated as an adult.

Progressives in DC actually RAISED the age of “juvenile” to 26 years-old, meaning all criminals that age and below get set free and face few charges.