SR/Project Veritas video

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Anonymous wrote:Is this what things are really like out there? I’m a Catholic on the west coast. Our parish school has multiple pairs of catholic teachers who are (civic) married couples. Our baptism class included a two-mom family.

Do you DMV Catholics really think that these people should be shunned and removed from Catholic society? Because a lot of others disagree with you.

no one is shunning anyone. calm down. read up on what it really means to be catholic and raise your children catholic then come back to the conversation educated.

I’ve read plenty and you can’t pick and choose from 2000 years’ theology and a worldwide religion just to suit your bigoted point of view. The insistence that every Catholic school needs to be a maga/opus dei foxhole or else it “isn’t Catholic” is ridiculous.

I don't know what you've been reading, but it's obviously nothing of Catholic theology or YOU wouldn't be the one trying to pick & choose whatever of the faith suits your woke beliefs. Catholic schools do not need to be of the opus dei or maga variety (mercy!), but it also needs to be based on full Catholic teachings. Not your pick & choose woke theology.

Amen. 100% this. So tired of progressives trying to hijack Catholicism. Isn't that why the Episcopal church exists?

You both realize that this is why the different orders exist in Catholicism? Do you think a Jesuit would agree with everything a Franciscan believes or says?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SR US parent here. This teacher was clearly an “ally” for girls who didn’t fit in to the SR heteroLax (sorry) culture. At the time—around 2018–trans mania was getting fired up. We missed it as parents; you had to be on tumblr, discord, and quora. I think he probably was there for girls who decided they were they / them, kind of like as an adult supporter. We found out about the renaming craze from our daughter; she was on the periphery but thankfully still communicated with us. The school handled it as well as it could have. There was tremendous social pressure to “affirm”. The school informed parents but also kept things discrete. It was very hard. I think they knew he was a support mechanism for those girls, and they were ok with it. The video is of course unacceptable, but they trapped the guy. Yes, in vino veritas (lol) but they literally boozed him up and primed him. I would challenge people to think of the worst thing they’ve said about the Church or the Pope and imagine it went viral on YouTube. You think you’d still be popular at church?

Thank you for this background. I would not want to be hot mic'd sitting on a bar stool, I would sound like the most horrible person in the world. I figure there was some sort of entrapment. Well, like not asking permission to record for example. With that being said, trust has been broken. He is in an admin position handing out 'demerits' along with support, right? The kids need to trust him. I read him as a very nice person with good intentions, but many of the children he works with will have their trust-meters out without some kind of explanation or reparative process. And maybe neither he or the school wants to wade into that? I agree that the school was overtaken by social currents, and needs a transparent policy on children seeking allies. Transparent to the children, to the faculty, to the parents. Put it in the handbook. And I trust that the school will handle this with compassion and dignity. I wish him well. Again, don't think this came from a bad place at all.

“I don’t think it came from a bad place”. It is very difficult to see into the hearts and minds of others. But clearly this teacher is acting in opposition to the mission of the school and is subverting the teachings of the church. He’s doing it in a subtle way (many of you say already, who cares about genderless bathrooms?!) but it is a calculated effort to make it seem the”norm” or nothing to think twice about. When in fact, it’s perpetuating the lie that gender is fluid (whatever THEY are calling it these days) which is opposite of the church’s teachings. This is how you change culture- push the envelope and hope everyone goes along with it. The problem is that this school has veered so far left, it really has an identity problem. Just flip secular if you are leaning toward embracing secular beliefs. Concerned Catholic Parents need to rise up!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is this what things are really like out there? I’m a Catholic on the west coast. Our parish school has multiple pairs of catholic teachers who are (civic) married couples. Our baptism class included a two-mom family.

Do you DMV Catholics really think that these people should be shunned and removed from Catholic society? Because a lot of others disagree with you.

no one is shunning anyone. calm down. read up on what it really means to be catholic and raise your children catholic then come back to the conversation educated.

I’ve read plenty and you can’t pick and choose from 2000 years’ theology and a worldwide religion just to suit your bigoted point of view. The insistence that every Catholic school needs to be a maga/opus dei foxhole or else it “isn’t Catholic” is ridiculous.

I don't know what you've been reading, but it's obviously nothing of Catholic theology or YOU wouldn't be the one trying to pick & choose whatever of the faith suits your woke beliefs. Catholic schools do not need to be of the opus dei or maga variety (mercy!), but it also needs to be based on full Catholic teachings. Not your pick & choose woke theology.

Amen. 100% this. So tired of progressives trying to hijack Catholicism. Isn't that why the Episcopal church exists?

You both realize that this is why the different orders exist in Catholicism? Do you think a Jesuit would agree with everything a Franciscan believes or says?

That's a ridiculous statement and I challenge you to support it. What tenets of the Church do these two orders disagree on?

You don't know what you think you know!

The difference between the orders is one of emphasis not on any disagreement on Catholicism.

Let's see if you can support your vague ideas on the differences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SR US parent here. This teacher was clearly an “ally” for girls who didn’t fit in to the SR heteroLax (sorry) culture. At the time—around 2018–trans mania was getting fired up. We missed it as parents; you had to be on tumblr, discord, and quora. I think he probably was there for girls who decided they were they / them, kind of like as an adult supporter. We found out about the renaming craze from our daughter; she was on the periphery but thankfully still communicated with us. The school handled it as well as it could have. There was tremendous social pressure to “affirm”. The school informed parents but also kept things discrete. It was very hard. I think they knew he was a support mechanism for those girls, and they were ok with it. The video is of course unacceptable, but they trapped the guy. Yes, in vino veritas (lol) but they literally boozed him up and primed him. I would challenge people to think of the worst thing they’ve said about the Church or the Pope and imagine it went viral on YouTube. You think you’d still be popular at church?

Thank you for this background. I would not want to be hot mic'd sitting on a bar stool, I would sound like the most horrible person in the world. I figure there was some sort of entrapment. Well, like not asking permission to record for example. With that being said, trust has been broken. He is in an admin position handing out 'demerits' along with support, right? The kids need to trust him. I read him as a very nice person with good intentions, but many of the children he works with will have their trust-meters out without some kind of explanation or reparative process. And maybe neither he or the school wants to wade into that? I agree that the school was overtaken by social currents, and needs a transparent policy on children seeking allies. Transparent to the children, to the faculty, to the parents. Put it in the handbook. And I trust that the school will handle this with compassion and dignity. I wish him well. Again, don't think this came from a bad place at all.

“I don’t think it came from a bad place”. It is very difficult to see into the hearts and minds of others. But clearly this teacher is acting in opposition to the mission of the school and is subverting the teachings of the church. He’s doing it in a subtle way (many of you say already, who cares about genderless bathrooms?!) but it is a calculated effort to make it seem the”norm” or nothing to think twice about. When in fact, it’s perpetuating the lie that gender is fluid (whatever THEY are calling it these days) which is opposite of the church’s teachings. This is how you change culture- push the envelope and hope everyone goes along with it. The problem is that this school has veered so far left, it really has an identity problem. Just flip secular if you are leaning toward embracing secular beliefs. Concerned Catholic Parents need to rise up!

I believe he believes he is trying to help. I understand your pt. of view, and I stand by everything I said. The school will need to address this situation with compassion and dignity, but trust has been broken so it does need to be addressed..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this what things are really like out there? I’m a Catholic on the west coast. Our parish school has multiple pairs of catholic teachers who are (civic) married couples. Our baptism class included a two-mom family.

Do you DMV Catholics really think that these people should be shunned and removed from Catholic society? Because a lot of others disagree with you.

no one is shunning anyone. calm down. read up on what it really means to be catholic and raise your children catholic then come back to the conversation educated.

I’ve read plenty and you can’t pick and choose from 2000 years’ theology and a worldwide religion just to suit your bigoted point of view. The insistence that every Catholic school needs to be a maga/opus dei foxhole or else it “isn’t Catholic” is ridiculous.

I don't know what you've been reading, but it's obviously nothing of Catholic theology or YOU wouldn't be the one trying to pick & choose whatever of the faith suits your woke beliefs. Catholic schools do not need to be of the opus dei or maga variety (mercy!), but it also needs to be based on full Catholic teachings. Not your pick & choose woke theology.

Amen. 100% this. So tired of progressives trying to hijack Catholicism. Isn't that why the Episcopal church exists?

You both realize that this is why the different orders exist in Catholicism? Do you think a Jesuit would agree with everything a Franciscan believes or says?

That's a ridiculous statement and I challenge you to support it. What tenets of the Church do these two orders disagree on?

You don't know what you think you know!

The difference between the orders is one of emphasis not on any disagreement on Catholicism.

Let's see if you can support your vague ideas on the differences.

"Jesuits and Franciscans are both Catholic, but they do represent different forms of Catholic spirituality. In times past, the Jesuits and Franciscans have also had their share of disagreements—over mission territory, over involvement in secular affairs and over the finer points of theology."

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/a-franciscan-jesuit-for-pope/2013/03/14/323a1e68-8cf1-11e2-b63f-f53fb9f2fcb4_story.html

So, yes, there are differences in interpretation, though those differences aren't as prononounced as some people make them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SR US parent here. This teacher was clearly an “ally” for girls who didn’t fit in to the SR heteroLax (sorry) culture. At the time—around 2018–trans mania was getting fired up. We missed it as parents; you had to be on tumblr, discord, and quora. I think he probably was there for girls who decided they were they / them, kind of like as an adult supporter. We found out about the renaming craze from our daughter; she was on the periphery but thankfully still communicated with us. The school handled it as well as it could have. There was tremendous social pressure to “affirm”. The school informed parents but also kept things discrete. It was very hard. I think they knew he was a support mechanism for those girls, and they were ok with it. The video is of course unacceptable, but they trapped the guy. Yes, in vino veritas (lol) but they literally boozed him up and primed him. I would challenge people to think of the worst thing they’ve said about the Church or the Pope and imagine it went viral on YouTube. You think you’d still be popular at church?

Thank you for this background. I would not want to be hot mic'd sitting on a bar stool, I would sound like the most horrible person in the world. I figure there was some sort of entrapment. Well, like not asking permission to record for example. With that being said, trust has been broken. He is in an admin position handing out 'demerits' along with support, right? The kids need to trust him. I read him as a very nice person with good intentions, but many of the children he works with will have their trust-meters out without some kind of explanation or reparative process. And maybe neither he or the school wants to wade into that? I agree that the school was overtaken by social currents, and needs a transparent policy on children seeking allies. Transparent to the children, to the faculty, to the parents. Put it in the handbook. And I trust that the school will handle this with compassion and dignity. I wish him well. Again, don't think this came from a bad place at all.

Yes, I agree. Saying that you enjoy subverting the Church is horrible, but it's also the kind of over-the-top language repeated amongst people these days all the time. He thought he was talking to a friend who agreed with him. Humans try to be "like" the people they're with to impress them (the mimetic desire). Indeed, this is Veritas's whole approach. Ply them with the alcohol, act like an ally, get them to say bad stuff. It's just terrible all around; what he said was awful; Veritas is awful; what the school is going through is also awful. It's not so "clean cut" as others make it. The other thing that makes this gross is the whole "groomer" slur that the right uses for anyone who is gay working with children. This is in the same swimlane as Pizzagate, etc. I am mad at the MS Dean for making the mistake, but I can't honestly say that I couldn't be just as easily entrapped at a work conference surrounded by people I thought were friendly trying to get me to say something to get me fired.

[Anonymous]

The school needs to part ways with the teacher, and should also create a policy for how the school will handle underlying ally/ gender identity issues going forward in a way that includes the student's parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this what things are really like out there? I’m a Catholic on the west coast. Our parish school has multiple pairs of catholic teachers who are (civic) married couples. Our baptism class included a two-mom family.

Do you DMV Catholics really think that these people should be shunned and removed from Catholic society? Because a lot of others disagree with you.

no one is shunning anyone. calm down. read up on what it really means to be catholic and raise your children catholic then come back to the conversation educated.

I’ve read plenty and you can’t pick and choose from 2000 years’ theology and a worldwide religion just to suit your bigoted point of view. The insistence that every Catholic school needs to be a maga/opus dei foxhole or else it “isn’t Catholic” is ridiculous.

I don't know what you've been reading, but it's obviously nothing of Catholic theology or YOU wouldn't be the one trying to pick & choose whatever of the faith suits your woke beliefs. Catholic schools do not need to be of the opus dei or maga variety (mercy!), but it also needs to be based on full Catholic teachings. Not your pick & choose woke theology.

Amen. 100% this. So tired of progressives trying to hijack Catholicism. Isn't that why the Episcopal church exists?

You both realize that this is why the different orders exist in Catholicism? Do you think a Jesuit would agree with everything a Franciscan believes or says?

That's a ridiculous statement and I challenge you to support it. What tenets of the Church do these two orders disagree on?

You don't know what you think you know!

The difference between the orders is one of emphasis not on any disagreement on Catholicism.

Let's see if you can support your vague ideas on the differences.

"Jesuits and Franciscans are both Catholic, but they do represent different forms of Catholic spirituality. In times past, the Jesuits and Franciscans have also had their share of disagreements—over mission territory, over involvement in secular affairs and over the finer points of theology."

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/a-franciscan-jesuit-for-pope/2013/03/14/323a1e68-8cf1-11e2-b63f-f53fb9f2fcb4_story.html

So, yes, there are differences in interpretation, though those differences aren't as prononounced as some people make them.

Some seem to believe (or wish to believe) that with the Jesuits they have found some sort of "Catholic Lite" middle ground in which they are free to do what they like and espouse the positions they prefer versus those of the Catholic church.

I'd agree with the poster above. The Episcopal Church (and schools) is where they belong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this what things are really like out there? I’m a Catholic on the west coast. Our parish school has multiple pairs of catholic teachers who are (civic) married couples. Our baptism class included a two-mom family.

Do you DMV Catholics really think that these people should be shunned and removed from Catholic society? Because a lot of others disagree with you.

no one is shunning anyone. calm down. read up on what it really means to be catholic and raise your children catholic then come back to the conversation educated.

I’ve read plenty and you can’t pick and choose from 2000 years’ theology and a worldwide religion just to suit your bigoted point of view. The insistence that every Catholic school needs to be a maga/opus dei foxhole or else it “isn’t Catholic” is ridiculous.

I don't know what you've been reading, but it's obviously nothing of Catholic theology or YOU wouldn't be the one trying to pick & choose whatever of the faith suits your woke beliefs. Catholic schools do not need to be of the opus dei or maga variety (mercy!), but it also needs to be based on full Catholic teachings. Not your pick & choose woke theology.

Amen. 100% this. So tired of progressives trying to hijack Catholicism. Isn't that why the Episcopal church exists?

You both realize that this is why the different orders exist in Catholicism? Do you think a Jesuit would agree with everything a Franciscan believes or says?

That's a ridiculous statement and I challenge you to support it. What tenets of the Church do these two orders disagree on?

You don't know what you think you know!

The difference between the orders is one of emphasis not on any disagreement on Catholicism.

Let's see if you can support your vague ideas on the differences.

"Jesuits and Franciscans are both Catholic, but they do represent different forms of Catholic spirituality. In times past, the Jesuits and Franciscans have also had their share of disagreements—over mission territory, over involvement in secular affairs and over the finer points of theology."

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/a-franciscan-jesuit-for-pope/2013/03/14/323a1e68-8cf1-11e2-b63f-f53fb9f2fcb4_story.html

So, yes, there are differences in interpretation, though those differences aren't as prononounced as some people make them.

Some seem to believe (or wish to believe) that with the Jesuits they have found some sort of "Catholic Lite" middle ground in which they are free to do what they like and espouse the positions they prefer versus those of the Catholic church.

I'd agree with the poster above. The Episcopal Church (and schools) is where they belong.

As far as I know, the Jesuits are very accepting of LGBTQ people and affirm their lives and families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this what things are really like out there? I’m a Catholic on the west coast. Our parish school has multiple pairs of catholic teachers who are (civic) married couples. Our baptism class included a two-mom family.

Do you DMV Catholics really think that these people should be shunned and removed from Catholic society? Because a lot of others disagree with you.

no one is shunning anyone. calm down. read up on what it really means to be catholic and raise your children catholic then come back to the conversation educated.

I’ve read plenty and you can’t pick and choose from 2000 years’ theology and a worldwide religion just to suit your bigoted point of view. The insistence that every Catholic school needs to be a maga/opus dei foxhole or else it “isn’t Catholic” is ridiculous.

I don't know what you've been reading, but it's obviously nothing of Catholic theology or YOU wouldn't be the one trying to pick & choose whatever of the faith suits your woke beliefs. Catholic schools do not need to be of the opus dei or maga variety (mercy!), but it also needs to be based on full Catholic teachings. Not your pick & choose woke theology.

Amen. 100% this. So tired of progressives trying to hijack Catholicism. Isn't that why the Episcopal church exists?

You both realize that this is why the different orders exist in Catholicism? Do you think a Jesuit would agree with everything a Franciscan believes or says?

That's a ridiculous statement and I challenge you to support it. What tenets of the Church do these two orders disagree on?

You don't know what you think you know!

The difference between the orders is one of emphasis not on any disagreement on Catholicism.

Let's see if you can support your vague ideas on the differences.

"Jesuits and Franciscans are both Catholic, but they do represent different forms of Catholic spirituality. In times past, the Jesuits and Franciscans have also had their share of disagreements—over mission territory, over involvement in secular affairs and over the finer points of theology."

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/a-franciscan-jesuit-for-pope/2013/03/14/323a1e68-8cf1-11e2-b63f-f53fb9f2fcb4_story.html

So, yes, there are differences in interpretation, though those differences aren't as prononounced as some people make them.

Some seem to believe (or wish to believe) that with the Jesuits they have found some sort of "Catholic Lite" middle ground in which they are free to do what they like and espouse the positions they prefer versus those of the Catholic church.

I'd agree with the poster above. The Episcopal Church (and schools) is where they belong.

As far as I know, the Jesuits are very accepting of LGBTQ people and affirm their lives and families.

There’s a big difference between treating all people with respect and dignity (no matter what their sexuality) and “affirmation and acceptance”. Those are two totally different things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The school needs to part ways with the teacher, and should also create a policy for how the school will handle underlying ally/ gender identity issues going forward in a way that includes the student's parents.

I think this is the path forward, and wish all parties the best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school needs to part ways with the teacher, and should also create a policy for how the school will handle underlying ally/ gender identity issues going forward in a way that includes the student's parents.

I think this is the path forward, and wish all parties the best.

+1 Agree. Parents need to be part of the discussion. And the school cannot forget that it is a *Catholic* school and an all *girls* school, and Catholic families chose it for those reasons.

[Anonymous]

The school just announced that after placing the Dean on administrative leave, they determined to not bring him back after a thorough examination of the circumstances - especially in the light of their catholic identity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Project Veritas is garbage, and the last organization whose input I'd consider when applying to schools on behalf of my kids. YMMV.

You might not like their politics, but have they ever uncovered anything that was proven false, or somehow misinterpreted?

Yes, everything they have ever published has been substantially misleading. They just settled a lawsuit over pushing bogus claims of voter fraud. As part of that, they admitted that they had no evidence backing their claims. They attempted to plant an entirely fake story in the Post about Roy Moore. A grand jury found them guilty of fraud in connection with lies about the 2016 election. Project Veritas was also found to have violated the terms of service of multiple platforms by pushing obvious misinformation and intentionally evading controls on the speeding of false information.

[Anonymous]

I think blaming this on the scum at project veritas is a mistake. Yes, they’re gross and I oppose everything about them, but in this case the blame lies at the feet of the speaker. There’s no question that he said what he did while on official travel - that’s what matters here. Blaming it on the messenger, no matter how grotesque, gives them undue power and takes focus away from the real issues.