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Anonymous wrote:As a current SR parent, I am absolutely disgusted by this entire thread, and even more disgusted that it hasn’t been shut down. The fact that there are over 200 posts about 1 teacher - a human being - who isn’t here to defend himself, and people can just freely shame, defend, or generally talk about behind a computer screen without all the facts is just gross to me. It’s no wonder our kids are struggling in so many ways - we as parents set the example and it starts with us. Be better.

Fair point. I jumped in to offer support to the school and to him, but now see it wasn’t helpful at all.

I did the same. I thought that defending an educator who has been nothing but supportive to my daughters for years was the right thing to do but I see how this just gives more fuel to his critics. If my girls weren’t already in high school I’d be looking for a new school, I’ve learned a lot about my fellow SR parents and am disgusted.

I don’t understand, if you don’t believe in Catholic values, why did you send your daughters to a Catholic school all these years? SR is as a foundation, a Catholic school. If you support a teacher who had been trying to subvert Catholic values at a Catholic school, then I would say, you, like him, shouldn’t be at a Catholic school.

I don’t believe he’s been subverting Catholic values, I think he said one stupid thing that has been taken out of context. I am a Catholic who has read all of the papal Enciclicals around sexuality and he is no more out of line with catholic doctrine than any teacher who has used artificial birth control. Is anyone going after them? My family has been in Catholic schools for generations, admittedly my grandparents generation were much more devout with daily mass as part of their practice. It’s really odd to see all of these families come to my Catholic school, many of whom aren’t Catholic just MAGA conservatives, and suddenly they’re the Catholic police.

He said he feels great about subverted Catholic values. How much worse could it be? Even if he did not subvert the Catholic teachings in that act, he said he felt great about subverting Catholic teachings, and that is the crux of the matter.

That’s not what he said. He said “subverting the Catholic Church’s agenda on homosexuality”.

Agendas aren’t values.

Mince words however you want, he did say he has been purposely subverting Catholic teachings. The Catholic Church has not embraced the doctrines of LGBTQ, so he is working against the Catholic Church. If he doesn’t agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school.

What specifically are the Catholic Church "teachings" on homosexuality?

And "teachings" is still different than "agenda". Teachings may support an agenda but they are different things.

You can Google that yourself if you need to educate yourself further. The final point of this thread is: If an educator does not agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school. There are plenty of public Moco schools or woke private schools that will embrace him with open arms.

No - because then we would have no educators.

Interesting how some people are so "concerned" about "Catholic teachings" only when it comes to LGBTQ issues...very telling.

So you are implying that it is ok for a teacher to pass out condoms in a classroom of a Catholic school, because most Catholic teachers have used them? Got it.

False equivalence. He wasn't encouraging students to become homosexual.

He was "affirming" their identities, while initially keeping parents out of the loop. He said it on the tape.

OK - that's not trying to change the girls, just support them.

SR strongly states in their contract with parents that the school and parents are PARTNERS in the education of our daughters. The school will not overstep familial boundaries in each family’s personal values. Teachers who hide information about children from their parents are not being partners in the education of their children. This goes against the school’s contract with parents.

Except, this wasn't about the girls' education. It was emotional support for girls who couldn't find support at home.

Teachers should support girls, every time.

But this teacher stated that part of his subversion of the Catholic teaching was in keeping identity information about the students from their parents. His only purview as an educator is to teach school subjects, not taking on parents’ roles in personal areas or sexual identity. Furthermore, he went against the foundational teachings of the school, the basis for which most parents chose this school. His overstepped his boundary and does not belong at this school.

He did not say that. He just said he affirmed their identity.

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Anonymous wrote:As a current SR parent, I am absolutely disgusted by this entire thread, and even more disgusted that it hasn’t been shut down. The fact that there are over 200 posts about 1 teacher - a human being - who isn’t here to defend himself, and people can just freely shame, defend, or generally talk about behind a computer screen without all the facts is just gross to me. It’s no wonder our kids are struggling in so many ways - we as parents set the example and it starts with us. Be better.

Fair point. I jumped in to offer support to the school and to him, but now see it wasn’t helpful at all.

I did the same. I thought that defending an educator who has been nothing but supportive to my daughters for years was the right thing to do but I see how this just gives more fuel to his critics. If my girls weren’t already in high school I’d be looking for a new school, I’ve learned a lot about my fellow SR parents and am disgusted.

I don’t understand, if you don’t believe in Catholic values, why did you send your daughters to a Catholic school all these years? SR is as a foundation, a Catholic school. If you support a teacher who had been trying to subvert Catholic values at a Catholic school, then I would say, you, like him, shouldn’t be at a Catholic school.

I don’t believe he’s been subverting Catholic values, I think he said one stupid thing that has been taken out of context. I am a Catholic who has read all of the papal Enciclicals around sexuality and he is no more out of line with catholic doctrine than any teacher who has used artificial birth control. Is anyone going after them? My family has been in Catholic schools for generations, admittedly my grandparents generation were much more devout with daily mass as part of their practice. It’s really odd to see all of these families come to my Catholic school, many of whom aren’t Catholic just MAGA conservatives, and suddenly they’re the Catholic police.

He said he feels great about subverted Catholic values. How much worse could it be? Even if he did not subvert the Catholic teachings in that act, he said he felt great about subverting Catholic teachings, and that is the crux of the matter.

That’s not what he said. He said “subverting the Catholic Church’s agenda on homosexuality”.

Agendas aren’t values.

Mince words however you want, he did say he has been purposely subverting Catholic teachings. The Catholic Church has not embraced the doctrines of LGBTQ, so he is working against the Catholic Church. If he doesn’t agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school.

What specifically are the Catholic Church "teachings" on homosexuality?

And "teachings" is still different than "agenda". Teachings may support an agenda but they are different things.

You can Google that yourself if you need to educate yourself further. The final point of this thread is: If an educator does not agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school. There are plenty of public Moco schools or woke private schools that will embrace him with open arms.

No - because then we would have no educators.

Interesting how some people are so "concerned" about "Catholic teachings" only when it comes to LGBTQ issues...very telling.

So you are implying that it is ok for a teacher to pass out condoms in a classroom of a Catholic school, because most Catholic teachers have used them? Got it.

False equivalence. He wasn't encouraging students to become homosexual.

He was "affirming" their identities, while initially keeping parents out of the loop. He said it on the tape.

OK - that's not trying to change the girls, just support them.

SR strongly states in their contract with parents that the school and parents are PARTNERS in the education of our daughters. The school will not overstep familial boundaries in each family’s personal values. Teachers who hide information about children from their parents are not being partners in the education of their children. This goes against the school’s contract with parents.

Except, this wasn't about the girls' education. It was emotional support for girls who couldn't find support at home.

Teachers should support girls, every time.

But this teacher stated that part of his subversion of the Catholic teaching was in keeping identity information about the students from their parents. His only purview as an educator is to teach school subjects, not taking on parents’ roles in personal areas or sexual identity. Furthermore, he went against the foundational teachings of the school, the basis for which most parents chose this school. His overstepped his boundary and does not belong at this school.

He did not say that. He just said he affirmed their identity.

He said, "we affirm their identity before they were able to..." referring to their parents.

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Anonymous wrote:As a current SR parent, I am absolutely disgusted by this entire thread, and even more disgusted that it hasn’t been shut down. The fact that there are over 200 posts about 1 teacher - a human being - who isn’t here to defend himself, and people can just freely shame, defend, or generally talk about behind a computer screen without all the facts is just gross to me. It’s no wonder our kids are struggling in so many ways - we as parents set the example and it starts with us. Be better.

Fair point. I jumped in to offer support to the school and to him, but now see it wasn’t helpful at all.

I did the same. I thought that defending an educator who has been nothing but supportive to my daughters for years was the right thing to do but I see how this just gives more fuel to his critics. If my girls weren’t already in high school I’d be looking for a new school, I’ve learned a lot about my fellow SR parents and am disgusted.

I don’t understand, if you don’t believe in Catholic values, why did you send your daughters to a Catholic school all these years? SR is as a foundation, a Catholic school. If you support a teacher who had been trying to subvert Catholic values at a Catholic school, then I would say, you, like him, shouldn’t be at a Catholic school.

I don’t believe he’s been subverting Catholic values, I think he said one stupid thing that has been taken out of context. I am a Catholic who has read all of the papal Enciclicals around sexuality and he is no more out of line with catholic doctrine than any teacher who has used artificial birth control. Is anyone going after them? My family has been in Catholic schools for generations, admittedly my grandparents generation were much more devout with daily mass as part of their practice. It’s really odd to see all of these families come to my Catholic school, many of whom aren’t Catholic just MAGA conservatives, and suddenly they’re the Catholic police.

He said he feels great about subverted Catholic values. How much worse could it be? Even if he did not subvert the Catholic teachings in that act, he said he felt great about subverting Catholic teachings, and that is the crux of the matter.

That’s not what he said. He said “subverting the Catholic Church’s agenda on homosexuality”.

Agendas aren’t values.

Mince words however you want, he did say he has been purposely subverting Catholic teachings. The Catholic Church has not embraced the doctrines of LGBTQ, so he is working against the Catholic Church. If he doesn’t agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school.

What specifically are the Catholic Church "teachings" on homosexuality?

And "teachings" is still different than "agenda". Teachings may support an agenda but they are different things.

You can Google that yourself if you need to educate yourself further. The final point of this thread is: If an educator does not agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school. There are plenty of public Moco schools or woke private schools that will embrace him with open arms.

No - because then we would have no educators.

Interesting how some people are so "concerned" about "Catholic teachings" only when it comes to LGBTQ issues...very telling.

So you are implying that it is ok for a teacher to pass out condoms in a classroom of a Catholic school, because most Catholic teachers have used them? Got it.

False equivalence. He wasn't encouraging students to become homosexual.

He was "affirming" their identities, while initially keeping parents out of the loop. He said it on the tape.

OK - that's not trying to change the girls, just support them.

SR strongly states in their contract with parents that the school and parents are PARTNERS in the education of our daughters. The school will not overstep familial boundaries in each family’s personal values. Teachers who hide information about children from their parents are not being partners in the education of their children. This goes against the school’s contract with parents.

Except, this wasn't about the girls' education. It was emotional support for girls who couldn't find support at home.

Teachers should support girls, every time.

Teacher overstepped his role. If anything, his interference likely confused the poor girls even more. Teachers and schools should stay out of these issues altogether unless parents are involved and want the school involved.

What interference? He's just supporting the girls until their parents "are able to".

And he kept the information from the parents.

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Anonymous wrote:As a current SR parent, I am absolutely disgusted by this entire thread, and even more disgusted that it hasn’t been shut down. The fact that there are over 200 posts about 1 teacher - a human being - who isn’t here to defend himself, and people can just freely shame, defend, or generally talk about behind a computer screen without all the facts is just gross to me. It’s no wonder our kids are struggling in so many ways - we as parents set the example and it starts with us. Be better.

Fair point. I jumped in to offer support to the school and to him, but now see it wasn’t helpful at all.

I did the same. I thought that defending an educator who has been nothing but supportive to my daughters for years was the right thing to do but I see how this just gives more fuel to his critics. If my girls weren’t already in high school I’d be looking for a new school, I’ve learned a lot about my fellow SR parents and am disgusted.

I don’t understand, if you don’t believe in Catholic values, why did you send your daughters to a Catholic school all these years? SR is as a foundation, a Catholic school. If you support a teacher who had been trying to subvert Catholic values at a Catholic school, then I would say, you, like him, shouldn’t be at a Catholic school.

I don’t believe he’s been subverting Catholic values, I think he said one stupid thing that has been taken out of context. I am a Catholic who has read all of the papal Enciclicals around sexuality and he is no more out of line with catholic doctrine than any teacher who has used artificial birth control. Is anyone going after them? My family has been in Catholic schools for generations, admittedly my grandparents generation were much more devout with daily mass as part of their practice. It’s really odd to see all of these families come to my Catholic school, many of whom aren’t Catholic just MAGA conservatives, and suddenly they’re the Catholic police.

He said he feels great about subverted Catholic values. How much worse could it be? Even if he did not subvert the Catholic teachings in that act, he said he felt great about subverting Catholic teachings, and that is the crux of the matter.

That’s not what he said. He said “subverting the Catholic Church’s agenda on homosexuality”.

Agendas aren’t values.

Mince words however you want, he did say he has been purposely subverting Catholic teachings. The Catholic Church has not embraced the doctrines of LGBTQ, so he is working against the Catholic Church. If he doesn’t agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school.

What specifically are the Catholic Church "teachings" on homosexuality?

And "teachings" is still different than "agenda". Teachings may support an agenda but they are different things.

You can Google that yourself if you need to educate yourself further. The final point of this thread is: If an educator does not agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school. There are plenty of public Moco schools or woke private schools that will embrace him with open arms.

No - because then we would have no educators.

Interesting how some people are so "concerned" about "Catholic teachings" only when it comes to LGBTQ issues...very telling.

So you are implying that it is ok for a teacher to pass out condoms in a classroom of a Catholic school, because most Catholic teachers have used them? Got it.

False equivalence. He wasn't encouraging students to become homosexual.

He was "affirming" their identities, while initially keeping parents out of the loop. He said it on the tape.

OK - that's not trying to change the girls, just support them.

SR strongly states in their contract with parents that the school and parents are PARTNERS in the education of our daughters. The school will not overstep familial boundaries in each family’s personal values. Teachers who hide information about children from their parents are not being partners in the education of their children. This goes against the school’s contract with parents.

Except, this wasn't about the girls' education. It was emotional support for girls who couldn't find support at home.

Teachers should support girls, every time.

But this teacher stated that part of his subversion of the Catholic teaching was in keeping identity information about the students from their parents. His only purview as an educator is to teach school subjects, not taking on parents’ roles in personal areas or sexual identity. Furthermore, he went against the foundational teachings of the school, the basis for which most parents chose this school. His overstepped his boundary and does not belong at this school.

He did not say that. He just said he affirmed their identity.

He said, "we affirm their identity before they were able to..." referring to their parents.

It sounds like he supported the students at school without interfering with what was happening at home. To me, that is not overstepping boundaries. He wasn't keeping anything from parents, he was just giving the family space to work through it.

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Anonymous wrote:As a current SR parent, I am absolutely disgusted by this entire thread, and even more disgusted that it hasn’t been shut down. The fact that there are over 200 posts about 1 teacher - a human being - who isn’t here to defend himself, and people can just freely shame, defend, or generally talk about behind a computer screen without all the facts is just gross to me. It’s no wonder our kids are struggling in so many ways - we as parents set the example and it starts with us. Be better.

Fair point. I jumped in to offer support to the school and to him, but now see it wasn’t helpful at all.

I did the same. I thought that defending an educator who has been nothing but supportive to my daughters for years was the right thing to do but I see how this just gives more fuel to his critics. If my girls weren’t already in high school I’d be looking for a new school, I’ve learned a lot about my fellow SR parents and am disgusted.

I don’t understand, if you don’t believe in Catholic values, why did you send your daughters to a Catholic school all these years? SR is as a foundation, a Catholic school. If you support a teacher who had been trying to subvert Catholic values at a Catholic school, then I would say, you, like him, shouldn’t be at a Catholic school.

I don’t believe he’s been subverting Catholic values, I think he said one stupid thing that has been taken out of context. I am a Catholic who has read all of the papal Enciclicals around sexuality and he is no more out of line with catholic doctrine than any teacher who has used artificial birth control. Is anyone going after them? My family has been in Catholic schools for generations, admittedly my grandparents generation were much more devout with daily mass as part of their practice. It’s really odd to see all of these families come to my Catholic school, many of whom aren’t Catholic just MAGA conservatives, and suddenly they’re the Catholic police.

He said he feels great about subverted Catholic values. How much worse could it be? Even if he did not subvert the Catholic teachings in that act, he said he felt great about subverting Catholic teachings, and that is the crux of the matter.

That’s not what he said. He said “subverting the Catholic Church’s agenda on homosexuality”.

Agendas aren’t values.

Mince words however you want, he did say he has been purposely subverting Catholic teachings. The Catholic Church has not embraced the doctrines of LGBTQ, so he is working against the Catholic Church. If he doesn’t agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school.

What specifically are the Catholic Church "teachings" on homosexuality?

And "teachings" is still different than "agenda". Teachings may support an agenda but they are different things.

You can Google that yourself if you need to educate yourself further. The final point of this thread is: If an educator does not agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school. There are plenty of public Moco schools or woke private schools that will embrace him with open arms.

No - because then we would have no educators.

Interesting how some people are so "concerned" about "Catholic teachings" only when it comes to LGBTQ issues...very telling.

So you are implying that it is ok for a teacher to pass out condoms in a classroom of a Catholic school, because most Catholic teachers have used them? Got it.

False equivalence. He wasn't encouraging students to become homosexual.

He was "affirming" their identities, while initially keeping parents out of the loop. He said it on the tape.

OK - that's not trying to change the girls, just support them.

SR strongly states in their contract with parents that the school and parents are PARTNERS in the education of our daughters. The school will not overstep familial boundaries in each family’s personal values. Teachers who hide information about children from their parents are not being partners in the education of their children. This goes against the school’s contract with parents.

Except, this wasn't about the girls' education. It was emotional support for girls who couldn't find support at home.

Teachers should support girls, every time.

Teacher overstepped his role. If anything, his interference likely confused the poor girls even more. Teachers and schools should stay out of these issues altogether unless parents are involved and want the school involved.

What interference? He's just supporting the girls until their parents "are able to".

And he kept the information from the parents.

Getting a phone call from your kid's teacher about their gender/sexuality is WAY more intrusive than him simply affirming the students at school. He didn't proactively notify parents but he also didn't keep anything from parents.

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Anonymous wrote:As a current SR parent, I am absolutely disgusted by this entire thread, and even more disgusted that it hasn’t been shut down. The fact that there are over 200 posts about 1 teacher - a human being - who isn’t here to defend himself, and people can just freely shame, defend, or generally talk about behind a computer screen without all the facts is just gross to me. It’s no wonder our kids are struggling in so many ways - we as parents set the example and it starts with us. Be better.

Fair point. I jumped in to offer support to the school and to him, but now see it wasn’t helpful at all.

I did the same. I thought that defending an educator who has been nothing but supportive to my daughters for years was the right thing to do but I see how this just gives more fuel to his critics. If my girls weren’t already in high school I’d be looking for a new school, I’ve learned a lot about my fellow SR parents and am disgusted.

I don’t understand, if you don’t believe in Catholic values, why did you send your daughters to a Catholic school all these years? SR is as a foundation, a Catholic school. If you support a teacher who had been trying to subvert Catholic values at a Catholic school, then I would say, you, like him, shouldn’t be at a Catholic school.

I don’t believe he’s been subverting Catholic values, I think he said one stupid thing that has been taken out of context. I am a Catholic who has read all of the papal Enciclicals around sexuality and he is no more out of line with catholic doctrine than any teacher who has used artificial birth control. Is anyone going after them? My family has been in Catholic schools for generations, admittedly my grandparents generation were much more devout with daily mass as part of their practice. It’s really odd to see all of these families come to my Catholic school, many of whom aren’t Catholic just MAGA conservatives, and suddenly they’re the Catholic police.

He said he feels great about subverted Catholic values. How much worse could it be? Even if he did not subvert the Catholic teachings in that act, he said he felt great about subverting Catholic teachings, and that is the crux of the matter.

That’s not what he said. He said “subverting the Catholic Church’s agenda on homosexuality”.

Agendas aren’t values.

Mince words however you want, he did say he has been purposely subverting Catholic teachings. The Catholic Church has not embraced the doctrines of LGBTQ, so he is working against the Catholic Church. If he doesn’t agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school.

What specifically are the Catholic Church "teachings" on homosexuality?

And "teachings" is still different than "agenda". Teachings may support an agenda but they are different things.

You can Google that yourself if you need to educate yourself further. The final point of this thread is: If an educator does not agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school. There are plenty of public Moco schools or woke private schools that will embrace him with open arms.

No - because then we would have no educators.

Interesting how some people are so "concerned" about "Catholic teachings" only when it comes to LGBTQ issues...very telling.

So you are implying that it is ok for a teacher to pass out condoms in a classroom of a Catholic school, because most Catholic teachers have used them? Got it.

False equivalence. He wasn't encouraging students to become homosexual.

He was "affirming" their identities, while initially keeping parents out of the loop. He said it on the tape.

OK - that's not trying to change the girls, just support them.

SR strongly states in their contract with parents that the school and parents are PARTNERS in the education of our daughters. The school will not overstep familial boundaries in each family’s personal values. Teachers who hide information about children from their parents are not being partners in the education of their children. This goes against the school’s contract with parents.

Except, this wasn't about the girls' education. It was emotional support for girls who couldn't find support at home.

Teachers should support girls, every time.

Teacher overstepped his role. If anything, his interference likely confused the poor girls even more. Teachers and schools should stay out of these issues altogether unless parents are involved and want the school involved.

What interference? He's just supporting the girls until their parents "are able to".

And he kept the information from the parents.

Getting a phone call from your kid's teacher about their gender/sexuality is WAY more intrusive than him simply affirming the students at school. He didn't proactively notify parents but he also didn't keep anything from parents.

How long do you think it is reasonable to keep the information from the parents? One week, one month, one semester, one school year? Is this information share at the administrative level at school, or is he just keeping it between student/teacher? A little secret they have?

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Anonymous wrote:As a current SR parent, I am absolutely disgusted by this entire thread, and even more disgusted that it hasn’t been shut down. The fact that there are over 200 posts about 1 teacher - a human being - who isn’t here to defend himself, and people can just freely shame, defend, or generally talk about behind a computer screen without all the facts is just gross to me. It’s no wonder our kids are struggling in so many ways - we as parents set the example and it starts with us. Be better.

Fair point. I jumped in to offer support to the school and to him, but now see it wasn’t helpful at all.

I did the same. I thought that defending an educator who has been nothing but supportive to my daughters for years was the right thing to do but I see how this just gives more fuel to his critics. If my girls weren’t already in high school I’d be looking for a new school, I’ve learned a lot about my fellow SR parents and am disgusted.

I don’t understand, if you don’t believe in Catholic values, why did you send your daughters to a Catholic school all these years? SR is as a foundation, a Catholic school. If you support a teacher who had been trying to subvert Catholic values at a Catholic school, then I would say, you, like him, shouldn’t be at a Catholic school.

I don’t believe he’s been subverting Catholic values, I think he said one stupid thing that has been taken out of context. I am a Catholic who has read all of the papal Enciclicals around sexuality and he is no more out of line with catholic doctrine than any teacher who has used artificial birth control. Is anyone going after them? My family has been in Catholic schools for generations, admittedly my grandparents generation were much more devout with daily mass as part of their practice. It’s really odd to see all of these families come to my Catholic school, many of whom aren’t Catholic just MAGA conservatives, and suddenly they’re the Catholic police.

He said he feels great about subverted Catholic values. How much worse could it be? Even if he did not subvert the Catholic teachings in that act, he said he felt great about subverting Catholic teachings, and that is the crux of the matter.

That’s not what he said. He said “subverting the Catholic Church’s agenda on homosexuality”.

Agendas aren’t values.

Mince words however you want, he did say he has been purposely subverting Catholic teachings. The Catholic Church has not embraced the doctrines of LGBTQ, so he is working against the Catholic Church. If he doesn’t agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school.

What specifically are the Catholic Church "teachings" on homosexuality?

And "teachings" is still different than "agenda". Teachings may support an agenda but they are different things.

You can Google that yourself if you need to educate yourself further. The final point of this thread is: If an educator does not agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school. There are plenty of public Moco schools or woke private schools that will embrace him with open arms.

No - because then we would have no educators.

Interesting how some people are so "concerned" about "Catholic teachings" only when it comes to LGBTQ issues...very telling.

So you are implying that it is ok for a teacher to pass out condoms in a classroom of a Catholic school, because most Catholic teachers have used them? Got it.

False equivalence. He wasn't encouraging students to become homosexual.

He was "affirming" their identities, while initially keeping parents out of the loop. He said it on the tape.

OK - that's not trying to change the girls, just support them.

SR strongly states in their contract with parents that the school and parents are PARTNERS in the education of our daughters. The school will not overstep familial boundaries in each family’s personal values. Teachers who hide information about children from their parents are not being partners in the education of their children. This goes against the school’s contract with parents.

Except, this wasn't about the girls' education. It was emotional support for girls who couldn't find support at home.

Teachers should support girls, every time.

Teacher overstepped his role. If anything, his interference likely confused the poor girls even more. Teachers and schools should stay out of these issues altogether unless parents are involved and want the school involved.

What interference? He's just supporting the girls until their parents "are able to".

And he kept the information from the parents.

Getting a phone call from your kid's teacher about their gender/sexuality is WAY more intrusive than him simply affirming the students at school. He didn't proactively notify parents but he also didn't keep anything from parents.

How long do you think it is reasonable to keep the information from the parents? One week, one month, one semester, one school year? Is this information share at the administrative level at school, or is he just keeping it between student/teacher? A little secret they have?

Which then reeks of inappropriate student-teacher relationship, and all of the potential consequences of that.

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Anonymous wrote:As a current SR parent, I am absolutely disgusted by this entire thread, and even more disgusted that it hasn’t been shut down. The fact that there are over 200 posts about 1 teacher - a human being - who isn’t here to defend himself, and people can just freely shame, defend, or generally talk about behind a computer screen without all the facts is just gross to me. It’s no wonder our kids are struggling in so many ways - we as parents set the example and it starts with us. Be better.

Fair point. I jumped in to offer support to the school and to him, but now see it wasn’t helpful at all.

I did the same. I thought that defending an educator who has been nothing but supportive to my daughters for years was the right thing to do but I see how this just gives more fuel to his critics. If my girls weren’t already in high school I’d be looking for a new school, I’ve learned a lot about my fellow SR parents and am disgusted.

I don’t understand, if you don’t believe in Catholic values, why did you send your daughters to a Catholic school all these years? SR is as a foundation, a Catholic school. If you support a teacher who had been trying to subvert Catholic values at a Catholic school, then I would say, you, like him, shouldn’t be at a Catholic school.

I don’t believe he’s been subverting Catholic values, I think he said one stupid thing that has been taken out of context. I am a Catholic who has read all of the papal Enciclicals around sexuality and he is no more out of line with catholic doctrine than any teacher who has used artificial birth control. Is anyone going after them? My family has been in Catholic schools for generations, admittedly my grandparents generation were much more devout with daily mass as part of their practice. It’s really odd to see all of these families come to my Catholic school, many of whom aren’t Catholic just MAGA conservatives, and suddenly they’re the Catholic police.

He said he feels great about subverted Catholic values. How much worse could it be? Even if he did not subvert the Catholic teachings in that act, he said he felt great about subverting Catholic teachings, and that is the crux of the matter.

That’s not what he said. He said “subverting the Catholic Church’s agenda on homosexuality”.

Agendas aren’t values.

Mince words however you want, he did say he has been purposely subverting Catholic teachings. The Catholic Church has not embraced the doctrines of LGBTQ, so he is working against the Catholic Church. If he doesn’t agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school.

What specifically are the Catholic Church "teachings" on homosexuality?

And "teachings" is still different than "agenda". Teachings may support an agenda but they are different things.

You can Google that yourself if you need to educate yourself further. The final point of this thread is: If an educator does not agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school. There are plenty of public Moco schools or woke private schools that will embrace him with open arms.

No - because then we would have no educators.

Interesting how some people are so "concerned" about "Catholic teachings" only when it comes to LGBTQ issues...very telling.

So you are implying that it is ok for a teacher to pass out condoms in a classroom of a Catholic school, because most Catholic teachers have used them? Got it.

False equivalence. He wasn't encouraging students to become homosexual.

He was "affirming" their identities, while initially keeping parents out of the loop. He said it on the tape.

OK - that's not trying to change the girls, just support them.

SR strongly states in their contract with parents that the school and parents are PARTNERS in the education of our daughters. The school will not overstep familial boundaries in each family’s personal values. Teachers who hide information about children from their parents are not being partners in the education of their children. This goes against the school’s contract with parents.

Except, this wasn't about the girls' education. It was emotional support for girls who couldn't find support at home.

Teachers should support girls, every time.

Teacher overstepped his role. If anything, his interference likely confused the poor girls even more. Teachers and schools should stay out of these issues altogether unless parents are involved and want the school involved.

What interference? He's just supporting the girls until their parents "are able to".

And he kept the information from the parents.

Getting a phone call from your kid's teacher about their gender/sexuality is WAY more intrusive than him simply affirming the students at school. He didn't proactively notify parents but he also didn't keep anything from parents.

How long do you think it is reasonable to keep the information from the parents? One week, one month, one semester, one school year? Is this information share at the administrative level at school, or is he just keeping it between student/teacher? A little secret they have?

If the student was "out" at school it wasn't a secret. Maybe he was trying to respect families' privacy and let them work it out in their own time.

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Fair point. I jumped in to offer support to the school and to him, but now see it wasn’t helpful at all.

I did the same. I thought that defending an educator who has been nothing but supportive to my daughters for years was the right thing to do but I see how this just gives more fuel to his critics. If my girls weren’t already in high school I’d be looking for a new school, I’ve learned a lot about my fellow SR parents and am disgusted.

I don’t understand, if you don’t believe in Catholic values, why did you send your daughters to a Catholic school all these years? SR is as a foundation, a Catholic school. If you support a teacher who had been trying to subvert Catholic values at a Catholic school, then I would say, you, like him, shouldn’t be at a Catholic school.

I don’t believe he’s been subverting Catholic values, I think he said one stupid thing that has been taken out of context. I am a Catholic who has read all of the papal Enciclicals around sexuality and he is no more out of line with catholic doctrine than any teacher who has used artificial birth control. Is anyone going after them? My family has been in Catholic schools for generations, admittedly my grandparents generation were much more devout with daily mass as part of their practice. It’s really odd to see all of these families come to my Catholic school, many of whom aren’t Catholic just MAGA conservatives, and suddenly they’re the Catholic police.

He said he feels great about subverted Catholic values. How much worse could it be? Even if he did not subvert the Catholic teachings in that act, he said he felt great about subverting Catholic teachings, and that is the crux of the matter.

That’s not what he said. He said “subverting the Catholic Church’s agenda on homosexuality”.

Agendas aren’t values.

Mince words however you want, he did say he has been purposely subverting Catholic teachings. The Catholic Church has not embraced the doctrines of LGBTQ, so he is working against the Catholic Church. If he doesn’t agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school.

What specifically are the Catholic Church "teachings" on homosexuality?

And "teachings" is still different than "agenda". Teachings may support an agenda but they are different things.

You can Google that yourself if you need to educate yourself further. The final point of this thread is: If an educator does not agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school. There are plenty of public Moco schools or woke private schools that will embrace him with open arms.

No - because then we would have no educators.

Interesting how some people are so "concerned" about "Catholic teachings" only when it comes to LGBTQ issues...very telling.

So you are implying that it is ok for a teacher to pass out condoms in a classroom of a Catholic school, because most Catholic teachers have used them? Got it.

False equivalence. He wasn't encouraging students to become homosexual.

He was "affirming" their identities, while initially keeping parents out of the loop. He said it on the tape.

OK - that's not trying to change the girls, just support them.

SR strongly states in their contract with parents that the school and parents are PARTNERS in the education of our daughters. The school will not overstep familial boundaries in each family’s personal values. Teachers who hide information about children from their parents are not being partners in the education of their children. This goes against the school’s contract with parents.

Except, this wasn't about the girls' education. It was emotional support for girls who couldn't find support at home.

Teachers should support girls, every time.

Teacher overstepped his role. If anything, his interference likely confused the poor girls even more. Teachers and schools should stay out of these issues altogether unless parents are involved and want the school involved.

What interference? He's just supporting the girls until their parents "are able to".

And he kept the information from the parents.

Getting a phone call from your kid's teacher about their gender/sexuality is WAY more intrusive than him simply affirming the students at school. He didn't proactively notify parents but he also didn't keep anything from parents.

How long do you think it is reasonable to keep the information from the parents? One week, one month, one semester, one school year? Is this information share at the administrative level at school, or is he just keeping it between student/teacher? A little secret they have?

If the student was "out" at school it wasn't a secret. Maybe he was trying to respect families' privacy and let them work it out in their own time.

From what he was recorded saying, it sounds like he was keeping secrets from the parents. That’s not respecting a family’s boundaries or privacy, that’s trying to divide the family and subverting the family’s dynamics.

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Anonymous wrote:As a current SR parent, I am absolutely disgusted by this entire thread, and even more disgusted that it hasn’t been shut down. The fact that there are over 200 posts about 1 teacher - a human being - who isn’t here to defend himself, and people can just freely shame, defend, or generally talk about behind a computer screen without all the facts is just gross to me. It’s no wonder our kids are struggling in so many ways - we as parents set the example and it starts with us. Be better.

Fair point. I jumped in to offer support to the school and to him, but now see it wasn’t helpful at all.

I did the same. I thought that defending an educator who has been nothing but supportive to my daughters for years was the right thing to do but I see how this just gives more fuel to his critics. If my girls weren’t already in high school I’d be looking for a new school, I’ve learned a lot about my fellow SR parents and am disgusted.

I don’t understand, if you don’t believe in Catholic values, why did you send your daughters to a Catholic school all these years? SR is as a foundation, a Catholic school. If you support a teacher who had been trying to subvert Catholic values at a Catholic school, then I would say, you, like him, shouldn’t be at a Catholic school.

I don’t believe he’s been subverting Catholic values, I think he said one stupid thing that has been taken out of context. I am a Catholic who has read all of the papal Enciclicals around sexuality and he is no more out of line with catholic doctrine than any teacher who has used artificial birth control. Is anyone going after them? My family has been in Catholic schools for generations, admittedly my grandparents generation were much more devout with daily mass as part of their practice. It’s really odd to see all of these families come to my Catholic school, many of whom aren’t Catholic just MAGA conservatives, and suddenly they’re the Catholic police.

He said he feels great about subverted Catholic values. How much worse could it be? Even if he did not subvert the Catholic teachings in that act, he said he felt great about subverting Catholic teachings, and that is the crux of the matter.

That’s not what he said. He said “subverting the Catholic Church’s agenda on homosexuality”.

Agendas aren’t values.

Mince words however you want, he did say he has been purposely subverting Catholic teachings. The Catholic Church has not embraced the doctrines of LGBTQ, so he is working against the Catholic Church. If he doesn’t agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school.

What specifically are the Catholic Church "teachings" on homosexuality?

And "teachings" is still different than "agenda". Teachings may support an agenda but they are different things.

You can Google that yourself if you need to educate yourself further. The final point of this thread is: If an educator does not agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school. There are plenty of public Moco schools or woke private schools that will embrace him with open arms.

No - because then we would have no educators.

Interesting how some people are so "concerned" about "Catholic teachings" only when it comes to LGBTQ issues...very telling.

So you are implying that it is ok for a teacher to pass out condoms in a classroom of a Catholic school, because most Catholic teachers have used them? Got it.

False equivalence. He wasn't encouraging students to become homosexual.

He was "affirming" their identities, while initially keeping parents out of the loop. He said it on the tape.

OK - that's not trying to change the girls, just support them.

SR strongly states in their contract with parents that the school and parents are PARTNERS in the education of our daughters. The school will not overstep familial boundaries in each family’s personal values. Teachers who hide information about children from their parents are not being partners in the education of their children. This goes against the school’s contract with parents.

Except, this wasn't about the girls' education. It was emotional support for girls who couldn't find support at home.

Teachers should support girls, every time.

Teacher overstepped his role. If anything, his interference likely confused the poor girls even more. Teachers and schools should stay out of these issues altogether unless parents are involved and want the school involved.

What interference? He's just supporting the girls until their parents "are able to".

And he kept the information from the parents.

Getting a phone call from your kid's teacher about their gender/sexuality is WAY more intrusive than him simply affirming the students at school. He didn't proactively notify parents but he also didn't keep anything from parents.

How long do you think it is reasonable to keep the information from the parents? One week, one month, one semester, one school year? Is this information share at the administrative level at school, or is he just keeping it between student/teacher? A little secret they have?

If the student was "out" at school it wasn't a secret. Maybe he was trying to respect families' privacy and let them work it out in their own time.

From what he was recorded saying, it sounds like he was keeping secrets from the parents. That’s not respecting a family’s boundaries or privacy, that’s trying to divide the family and subverting the family’s dynamics.

Not proactively reaching out isn't the same thing as "keeping secrets".

If a student told the class that they didn't believe in God, should the teacher immediately contact the parents?

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Anonymous wrote:As a current SR parent, I am absolutely disgusted by this entire thread, and even more disgusted that it hasn’t been shut down. The fact that there are over 200 posts about 1 teacher - a human being - who isn’t here to defend himself, and people can just freely shame, defend, or generally talk about behind a computer screen without all the facts is just gross to me. It’s no wonder our kids are struggling in so many ways - we as parents set the example and it starts with us. Be better.

Fair point. I jumped in to offer support to the school and to him, but now see it wasn’t helpful at all.

I did the same. I thought that defending an educator who has been nothing but supportive to my daughters for years was the right thing to do but I see how this just gives more fuel to his critics. If my girls weren’t already in high school I’d be looking for a new school, I’ve learned a lot about my fellow SR parents and am disgusted.

I don’t understand, if you don’t believe in Catholic values, why did you send your daughters to a Catholic school all these years? SR is as a foundation, a Catholic school. If you support a teacher who had been trying to subvert Catholic values at a Catholic school, then I would say, you, like him, shouldn’t be at a Catholic school.

I don’t believe he’s been subverting Catholic values, I think he said one stupid thing that has been taken out of context. I am a Catholic who has read all of the papal Enciclicals around sexuality and he is no more out of line with catholic doctrine than any teacher who has used artificial birth control. Is anyone going after them? My family has been in Catholic schools for generations, admittedly my grandparents generation were much more devout with daily mass as part of their practice. It’s really odd to see all of these families come to my Catholic school, many of whom aren’t Catholic just MAGA conservatives, and suddenly they’re the Catholic police.

He said he feels great about subverted Catholic values. How much worse could it be? Even if he did not subvert the Catholic teachings in that act, he said he felt great about subverting Catholic teachings, and that is the crux of the matter.

That’s not what he said. He said “subverting the Catholic Church’s agenda on homosexuality”.

Agendas aren’t values.

Mince words however you want, he did say he has been purposely subverting Catholic teachings. The Catholic Church has not embraced the doctrines of LGBTQ, so he is working against the Catholic Church. If he doesn’t agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school.

What specifically are the Catholic Church "teachings" on homosexuality?

And "teachings" is still different than "agenda". Teachings may support an agenda but they are different things.

You can Google that yourself if you need to educate yourself further. The final point of this thread is: If an educator does not agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school. There are plenty of public Moco schools or woke private schools that will embrace him with open arms.

No - because then we would have no educators.

Interesting how some people are so "concerned" about "Catholic teachings" only when it comes to LGBTQ issues...very telling.

So you are implying that it is ok for a teacher to pass out condoms in a classroom of a Catholic school, because most Catholic teachers have used them? Got it.

False equivalence. He wasn't encouraging students to become homosexual.

He was "affirming" their identities, while initially keeping parents out of the loop. He said it on the tape.

OK - that's not trying to change the girls, just support them.

SR strongly states in their contract with parents that the school and parents are PARTNERS in the education of our daughters. The school will not overstep familial boundaries in each family’s personal values. Teachers who hide information about children from their parents are not being partners in the education of their children. This goes against the school’s contract with parents.

Except, this wasn't about the girls' education. It was emotional support for girls who couldn't find support at home.

Teachers should support girls, every time.

Teacher overstepped his role. If anything, his interference likely confused the poor girls even more. Teachers and schools should stay out of these issues altogether unless parents are involved and want the school involved.

What interference? He's just supporting the girls until their parents "are able to".

And he kept the information from the parents.

Getting a phone call from your kid's teacher about their gender/sexuality is WAY more intrusive than him simply affirming the students at school. He didn't proactively notify parents but he also didn't keep anything from parents.

How long do you think it is reasonable to keep the information from the parents? One week, one month, one semester, one school year? Is this information share at the administrative level at school, or is he just keeping it between student/teacher? A little secret they have?

If the student was "out" at school it wasn't a secret. Maybe he was trying to respect families' privacy and let them work it out in their own time.

From what he was recorded saying, it sounds like he was keeping secrets from the parents. That’s not respecting a family’s boundaries or privacy, that’s trying to divide the family and subverting the family’s dynamics.

Not proactively reaching out isn't the same thing as "keeping secrets".

If a student told the class that they didn't believe in God, should the teacher immediately contact the parents?

NP. Yes. In a Catholic school, that should be a no brainer.

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Anonymous wrote:As a current SR parent, I am absolutely disgusted by this entire thread, and even more disgusted that it hasn’t been shut down. The fact that there are over 200 posts about 1 teacher - a human being - who isn’t here to defend himself, and people can just freely shame, defend, or generally talk about behind a computer screen without all the facts is just gross to me. It’s no wonder our kids are struggling in so many ways - we as parents set the example and it starts with us. Be better.

Fair point. I jumped in to offer support to the school and to him, but now see it wasn’t helpful at all.

I did the same. I thought that defending an educator who has been nothing but supportive to my daughters for years was the right thing to do but I see how this just gives more fuel to his critics. If my girls weren’t already in high school I’d be looking for a new school, I’ve learned a lot about my fellow SR parents and am disgusted.

I don’t understand, if you don’t believe in Catholic values, why did you send your daughters to a Catholic school all these years? SR is as a foundation, a Catholic school. If you support a teacher who had been trying to subvert Catholic values at a Catholic school, then I would say, you, like him, shouldn’t be at a Catholic school.

I don’t believe he’s been subverting Catholic values, I think he said one stupid thing that has been taken out of context. I am a Catholic who has read all of the papal Enciclicals around sexuality and he is no more out of line with catholic doctrine than any teacher who has used artificial birth control. Is anyone going after them? My family has been in Catholic schools for generations, admittedly my grandparents generation were much more devout with daily mass as part of their practice. It’s really odd to see all of these families come to my Catholic school, many of whom aren’t Catholic just MAGA conservatives, and suddenly they’re the Catholic police.

He said he feels great about subverted Catholic values. How much worse could it be? Even if he did not subvert the Catholic teachings in that act, he said he felt great about subverting Catholic teachings, and that is the crux of the matter.

That’s not what he said. He said “subverting the Catholic Church’s agenda on homosexuality”.

Agendas aren’t values.

Mince words however you want, he did say he has been purposely subverting Catholic teachings. The Catholic Church has not embraced the doctrines of LGBTQ, so he is working against the Catholic Church. If he doesn’t agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school.

What specifically are the Catholic Church "teachings" on homosexuality?

And "teachings" is still different than "agenda". Teachings may support an agenda but they are different things.

You can Google that yourself if you need to educate yourself further. The final point of this thread is: If an educator does not agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school. There are plenty of public Moco schools or woke private schools that will embrace him with open arms.

No - because then we would have no educators.

Interesting how some people are so "concerned" about "Catholic teachings" only when it comes to LGBTQ issues...very telling.

So you are implying that it is ok for a teacher to pass out condoms in a classroom of a Catholic school, because most Catholic teachers have used them? Got it.

False equivalence. He wasn't encouraging students to become homosexual.

He was "affirming" their identities, while initially keeping parents out of the loop. He said it on the tape.

OK - that's not trying to change the girls, just support them.

SR strongly states in their contract with parents that the school and parents are PARTNERS in the education of our daughters. The school will not overstep familial boundaries in each family’s personal values. Teachers who hide information about children from their parents are not being partners in the education of their children. This goes against the school’s contract with parents.

Except, this wasn't about the girls' education. It was emotional support for girls who couldn't find support at home.

Teachers should support girls, every time.

Teacher overstepped his role. If anything, his interference likely confused the poor girls even more. Teachers and schools should stay out of these issues altogether unless parents are involved and want the school involved.

What interference? He's just supporting the girls until their parents "are able to".

And he kept the information from the parents.

Getting a phone call from your kid's teacher about their gender/sexuality is WAY more intrusive than him simply affirming the students at school. He didn't proactively notify parents but he also didn't keep anything from parents.

How long do you think it is reasonable to keep the information from the parents? One week, one month, one semester, one school year? Is this information share at the administrative level at school, or is he just keeping it between student/teacher? A little secret they have?

If the student was "out" at school it wasn't a secret. Maybe he was trying to respect families' privacy and let them work it out in their own time.

From what he was recorded saying, it sounds like he was keeping secrets from the parents. That’s not respecting a family’s boundaries or privacy, that’s trying to divide the family and subverting the family’s dynamics.

Not proactively reaching out isn't the same thing as "keeping secrets".

If a student told the class that they didn't believe in God, should the teacher immediately contact the parents?

NP. Yes. In a Catholic school, that should be a no brainer.

Giving parents more information about their children is better than no information or withholding information, whether benign or not.

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Anonymous wrote:As a current SR parent, I am absolutely disgusted by this entire thread, and even more disgusted that it hasn’t been shut down. The fact that there are over 200 posts about 1 teacher - a human being - who isn’t here to defend himself, and people can just freely shame, defend, or generally talk about behind a computer screen without all the facts is just gross to me. It’s no wonder our kids are struggling in so many ways - we as parents set the example and it starts with us. Be better.

Fair point. I jumped in to offer support to the school and to him, but now see it wasn’t helpful at all.

I did the same. I thought that defending an educator who has been nothing but supportive to my daughters for years was the right thing to do but I see how this just gives more fuel to his critics. If my girls weren’t already in high school I’d be looking for a new school, I’ve learned a lot about my fellow SR parents and am disgusted.

I don’t understand, if you don’t believe in Catholic values, why did you send your daughters to a Catholic school all these years? SR is as a foundation, a Catholic school. If you support a teacher who had been trying to subvert Catholic values at a Catholic school, then I would say, you, like him, shouldn’t be at a Catholic school.

I don’t believe he’s been subverting Catholic values, I think he said one stupid thing that has been taken out of context. I am a Catholic who has read all of the papal Enciclicals around sexuality and he is no more out of line with catholic doctrine than any teacher who has used artificial birth control. Is anyone going after them? My family has been in Catholic schools for generations, admittedly my grandparents generation were much more devout with daily mass as part of their practice. It’s really odd to see all of these families come to my Catholic school, many of whom aren’t Catholic just MAGA conservatives, and suddenly they’re the Catholic police.

He said he feels great about subverted Catholic values. How much worse could it be? Even if he did not subvert the Catholic teachings in that act, he said he felt great about subverting Catholic teachings, and that is the crux of the matter.

That’s not what he said. He said “subverting the Catholic Church’s agenda on homosexuality”.

Agendas aren’t values.

Mince words however you want, he did say he has been purposely subverting Catholic teachings. The Catholic Church has not embraced the doctrines of LGBTQ, so he is working against the Catholic Church. If he doesn’t agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school.

What specifically are the Catholic Church "teachings" on homosexuality?

And "teachings" is still different than "agenda". Teachings may support an agenda but they are different things.

You can Google that yourself if you need to educate yourself further. The final point of this thread is: If an educator does not agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school. There are plenty of public Moco schools or woke private schools that will embrace him with open arms.

No - because then we would have no educators.

Interesting how some people are so "concerned" about "Catholic teachings" only when it comes to LGBTQ issues...very telling.

So you are implying that it is ok for a teacher to pass out condoms in a classroom of a Catholic school, because most Catholic teachers have used them? Got it.

False equivalence. He wasn't encouraging students to become homosexual.

He was "affirming" their identities, while initially keeping parents out of the loop. He said it on the tape.

OK - that's not trying to change the girls, just support them.

SR strongly states in their contract with parents that the school and parents are PARTNERS in the education of our daughters. The school will not overstep familial boundaries in each family’s personal values. Teachers who hide information about children from their parents are not being partners in the education of their children. This goes against the school’s contract with parents.

Except, this wasn't about the girls' education. It was emotional support for girls who couldn't find support at home.

Teachers should support girls, every time.

Teacher overstepped his role. If anything, his interference likely confused the poor girls even more. Teachers and schools should stay out of these issues altogether unless parents are involved and want the school involved.

What interference? He's just supporting the girls until their parents "are able to".

And he kept the information from the parents.

Getting a phone call from your kid's teacher about their gender/sexuality is WAY more intrusive than him simply affirming the students at school. He didn't proactively notify parents but he also didn't keep anything from parents.

How long do you think it is reasonable to keep the information from the parents? One week, one month, one semester, one school year? Is this information share at the administrative level at school, or is he just keeping it between student/teacher? A little secret they have?

If the student was "out" at school it wasn't a secret. Maybe he was trying to respect families' privacy and let them work it out in their own time.

From what he was recorded saying, it sounds like he was keeping secrets from the parents. That’s not respecting a family’s boundaries or privacy, that’s trying to divide the family and subverting the family’s dynamics.

Not proactively reaching out isn't the same thing as "keeping secrets".

If a student told the class that they didn't believe in God, should the teacher immediately contact the parents?

NP. Yes. In a Catholic school, that should be a no brainer.

Giving parents more information about their children is better than no information or withholding information, whether benign or not.

Certainly for some information, but teachers aren’t obligated to call parents for everything.

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Anonymous wrote:As a current SR parent, I am absolutely disgusted by this entire thread, and even more disgusted that it hasn’t been shut down. The fact that there are over 200 posts about 1 teacher - a human being - who isn’t here to defend himself, and people can just freely shame, defend, or generally talk about behind a computer screen without all the facts is just gross to me. It’s no wonder our kids are struggling in so many ways - we as parents set the example and it starts with us. Be better.

Fair point. I jumped in to offer support to the school and to him, but now see it wasn’t helpful at all.

I did the same. I thought that defending an educator who has been nothing but supportive to my daughters for years was the right thing to do but I see how this just gives more fuel to his critics. If my girls weren’t already in high school I’d be looking for a new school, I’ve learned a lot about my fellow SR parents and am disgusted.

I don’t understand, if you don’t believe in Catholic values, why did you send your daughters to a Catholic school all these years? SR is as a foundation, a Catholic school. If you support a teacher who had been trying to subvert Catholic values at a Catholic school, then I would say, you, like him, shouldn’t be at a Catholic school.

I don’t believe he’s been subverting Catholic values, I think he said one stupid thing that has been taken out of context. I am a Catholic who has read all of the papal Enciclicals around sexuality and he is no more out of line with catholic doctrine than any teacher who has used artificial birth control. Is anyone going after them? My family has been in Catholic schools for generations, admittedly my grandparents generation were much more devout with daily mass as part of their practice. It’s really odd to see all of these families come to my Catholic school, many of whom aren’t Catholic just MAGA conservatives, and suddenly they’re the Catholic police.

He said he feels great about subverted Catholic values. How much worse could it be? Even if he did not subvert the Catholic teachings in that act, he said he felt great about subverting Catholic teachings, and that is the crux of the matter.

That’s not what he said. He said “subverting the Catholic Church’s agenda on homosexuality”.

Agendas aren’t values.

Mince words however you want, he did say he has been purposely subverting Catholic teachings. The Catholic Church has not embraced the doctrines of LGBTQ, so he is working against the Catholic Church. If he doesn’t agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school.

What specifically are the Catholic Church "teachings" on homosexuality?

And "teachings" is still different than "agenda". Teachings may support an agenda but they are different things.

You can Google that yourself if you need to educate yourself further. The final point of this thread is: If an educator does not agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school. There are plenty of public Moco schools or woke private schools that will embrace him with open arms.

No - because then we would have no educators.

Interesting how some people are so "concerned" about "Catholic teachings" only when it comes to LGBTQ issues...very telling.

So you are implying that it is ok for a teacher to pass out condoms in a classroom of a Catholic school, because most Catholic teachers have used them? Got it.

False equivalence. He wasn't encouraging students to become homosexual.

He was "affirming" their identities, while initially keeping parents out of the loop. He said it on the tape.

OK - that's not trying to change the girls, just support them.

SR strongly states in their contract with parents that the school and parents are PARTNERS in the education of our daughters. The school will not overstep familial boundaries in each family’s personal values. Teachers who hide information about children from their parents are not being partners in the education of their children. This goes against the school’s contract with parents.

Except, this wasn't about the girls' education. It was emotional support for girls who couldn't find support at home.

Teachers should support girls, every time.

Teacher overstepped his role. If anything, his interference likely confused the poor girls even more. Teachers and schools should stay out of these issues altogether unless parents are involved and want the school involved.

What interference? He's just supporting the girls until their parents "are able to".

And he kept the information from the parents.

Getting a phone call from your kid's teacher about their gender/sexuality is WAY more intrusive than him simply affirming the students at school. He didn't proactively notify parents but he also didn't keep anything from parents.

How long do you think it is reasonable to keep the information from the parents? One week, one month, one semester, one school year? Is this information share at the administrative level at school, or is he just keeping it between student/teacher? A little secret they have?

If the student was "out" at school it wasn't a secret. Maybe he was trying to respect families' privacy and let them work it out in their own time.

From what he was recorded saying, it sounds like he was keeping secrets from the parents. That’s not respecting a family’s boundaries or privacy, that’s trying to divide the family and subverting the family’s dynamics.

Not proactively reaching out isn't the same thing as "keeping secrets".

If a student told the class that they didn't believe in God, should the teacher immediately contact the parents?

NP. Yes. In a Catholic school, that should be a no brainer.

Giving parents more information about their children is better than no information or withholding information, whether benign or not.

Certainly for some information, but teachers aren’t obligated to call parents for everything.

I don’t think some of you realize how dangerous it can be for a teacher to deliver this info before a child can, if they want their parents to know. I am not gay but often support kids in facilitating these conversations with their parents. It also gives parents time and space to process. You people are just nuts and want to see children miserable. After having one too many suicidal still in the closet children in my office I’m happy to help them on the journey and take as much time as they need.

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Anonymous wrote:As a current SR parent, I am absolutely disgusted by this entire thread, and even more disgusted that it hasn’t been shut down. The fact that there are over 200 posts about 1 teacher - a human being - who isn’t here to defend himself, and people can just freely shame, defend, or generally talk about behind a computer screen without all the facts is just gross to me. It’s no wonder our kids are struggling in so many ways - we as parents set the example and it starts with us. Be better.

Fair point. I jumped in to offer support to the school and to him, but now see it wasn’t helpful at all.

I did the same. I thought that defending an educator who has been nothing but supportive to my daughters for years was the right thing to do but I see how this just gives more fuel to his critics. If my girls weren’t already in high school I’d be looking for a new school, I’ve learned a lot about my fellow SR parents and am disgusted.

I don’t understand, if you don’t believe in Catholic values, why did you send your daughters to a Catholic school all these years? SR is as a foundation, a Catholic school. If you support a teacher who had been trying to subvert Catholic values at a Catholic school, then I would say, you, like him, shouldn’t be at a Catholic school.

I don’t believe he’s been subverting Catholic values, I think he said one stupid thing that has been taken out of context. I am a Catholic who has read all of the papal Enciclicals around sexuality and he is no more out of line with catholic doctrine than any teacher who has used artificial birth control. Is anyone going after them? My family has been in Catholic schools for generations, admittedly my grandparents generation were much more devout with daily mass as part of their practice. It’s really odd to see all of these families come to my Catholic school, many of whom aren’t Catholic just MAGA conservatives, and suddenly they’re the Catholic police.

He said he feels great about subverted Catholic values. How much worse could it be? Even if he did not subvert the Catholic teachings in that act, he said he felt great about subverting Catholic teachings, and that is the crux of the matter.

That’s not what he said. He said “subverting the Catholic Church’s agenda on homosexuality”.

Agendas aren’t values.

Mince words however you want, he did say he has been purposely subverting Catholic teachings. The Catholic Church has not embraced the doctrines of LGBTQ, so he is working against the Catholic Church. If he doesn’t agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school.

What specifically are the Catholic Church "teachings" on homosexuality?

And "teachings" is still different than "agenda". Teachings may support an agenda but they are different things.

You can Google that yourself if you need to educate yourself further. The final point of this thread is: If an educator does not agree with or respect Catholic teachings, he shouldn’t be teaching at a Catholic school. There are plenty of public Moco schools or woke private schools that will embrace him with open arms.

No - because then we would have no educators.

Interesting how some people are so "concerned" about "Catholic teachings" only when it comes to LGBTQ issues...very telling.

So you are implying that it is ok for a teacher to pass out condoms in a classroom of a Catholic school, because most Catholic teachers have used them? Got it.

False equivalence. He wasn't encouraging students to become homosexual.

He was "affirming" their identities, while initially keeping parents out of the loop. He said it on the tape.

OK - that's not trying to change the girls, just support them.

SR strongly states in their contract with parents that the school and parents are PARTNERS in the education of our daughters. The school will not overstep familial boundaries in each family’s personal values. Teachers who hide information about children from their parents are not being partners in the education of their children. This goes against the school’s contract with parents.

Except, this wasn't about the girls' education. It was emotional support for girls who couldn't find support at home.

Teachers should support girls, every time.

Teacher overstepped his role. If anything, his interference likely confused the poor girls even more. Teachers and schools should stay out of these issues altogether unless parents are involved and want the school involved.

What interference? He's just supporting the girls until their parents "are able to".

And he kept the information from the parents.

Getting a phone call from your kid's teacher about their gender/sexuality is WAY more intrusive than him simply affirming the students at school. He didn't proactively notify parents but he also didn't keep anything from parents.

How long do you think it is reasonable to keep the information from the parents? One week, one month, one semester, one school year? Is this information share at the administrative level at school, or is he just keeping it between student/teacher? A little secret they have?

If the student was "out" at school it wasn't a secret. Maybe he was trying to respect families' privacy and let them work it out in their own time.

From what he was recorded saying, it sounds like he was keeping secrets from the parents. That’s not respecting a family’s boundaries or privacy, that’s trying to divide the family and subverting the family’s dynamics.

Not proactively reaching out isn't the same thing as "keeping secrets".

If a student told the class that they didn't believe in God, should the teacher immediately contact the parents?

NP. Yes. In a Catholic school, that should be a no brainer.

Giving parents more information about their children is better than no information or withholding information, whether benign or not.

Certainly for some information, but teachers aren’t obligated to call parents for everything.

No of course not, but for serious issues such as a child’s identity crisis, then certainly the parents need to know. That’s for the parents and child to figure out, not for a teacher to insert himself.