Will there be fewer applicants to Harvard, Penn, MIT next year?

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Anonymous wrote:No, but there will be a lot of legacy rejects whose parents lie and say , "We just couldn't have Larlo apply after all that's gone on .. it's not the Penn we went to!"

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Anonymous wrote:I truly believe the Ivy schools were already in decline other than legacy kids who wouldn’t have stood a prayer otherwise. But I do think there are more smart kids today choosing NOT to go to an Ivy and in todays climate will continue to choose a diff path.

Due to costs not politics.

Maybe, but the net result is the same. Also, it’s not so much politics but the fact that the Ivies have become filled with oppressive and dull people, not smart people. I don’t think it’s specific politics so much as a stultifying environment. Smart kids want intellectual freedom and challenges, not dull authoritarianism.

Dude, your refrain about "dull" students at the Ivies isn't really sticking. So many people on DCUM have legacy status or kids currently attending. You won't get much traction calling their kids "dull" smh

Dude, I’m a graduate myself. I know of what I speak.

Just because you’re dull and dimwitted doesn’t mean we should assume your classmates were

I recognize you from other threads. You enjoy calling people dull and dimwitted. Makes you look the same. Give it a rest.

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Anonymous wrote:I truly believe the Ivy schools were already in decline other than legacy kids who wouldn’t have stood a prayer otherwise. But I do think there are more smart kids today choosing NOT to go to an Ivy and in todays climate will continue to choose a diff path.

Due to costs not politics.

Maybe, but the net result is the same. Also, it’s not so much politics but the fact that the Ivies have become filled with oppressive and dull people, not smart people. I don’t think it’s specific politics so much as a stultifying environment. Smart kids want intellectual freedom and challenges, not dull authoritarianism.

You are trying to wish your biases into reality.

NP- The same could be said for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Probably more than ever! So many people proud of these schools for the excellent way they have handled free speech on a very tough subject! Go MIT PENN HARVARD!!!!

+100 and not caving to money bribes (donations)

I will just repost what I posted earlier in response:
You obviously don't understand what free speech actually means. You should read the definition then listen to what was said. Calls for genocide of an ethnic group is not protected speech. Saying you hate an ethnic group is protected. Telling people to kill them is not.

But wasn't it that the question first conflated "intifada" with "genocide" which intifada doesn't mean--it means uprising. Just like claiming that the phrase the "river to the sea" doesn't mean that the students are calling for genocide from the river to the sea. That's why these were "gotcha" question because the presidents are responding to a moments-earlier conflation, while the immediate question is about a hypothetical situation where the students actually called for genocide. I think the presidents didn't perform great because they should have known better about the aims of who they were dealing with and that you have to expect that want matters is the 10 second clip, not the 30 second clip.

All three should have been able to handle that situation and in fact should have expected it. They obviously walked into the hearing without sufficient preparation and with a good deal of arrogance. I think they expected the fawning that is probably their day-to-day experience.

Cue the VAR. Anyone watching more than a few seconds of the hearing has moved on.

DP. Not me. The presidents handled the testimony badly. No way around that.

+1. I stopped my harvard donations.

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Jewish students should not be subjected to hate and harassment on college campuses.

Applications to Ivies, MiT, Stanford, etc. will not decrease - at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely not for MIT.

I think some students and families will reconsider Penn. Many actually. This has been a disaster for Penn.

Harvard gets the brass ring students. It's been like that for a while. The goal is Harvard. That's all that matters. The nuances of genocide is not going to dissuade them. There are tons of amoral high stats well-connected kids who will take that apex degree.

For every Jewish kid that wavers about Penn, there are about 5 Asian kids with identical stats dying to get in

Jews aren’t going to turn down Penn for Alabama

More like 55 for every one, but yeah.

Exactly right. The Ivies will continue to attract top students and maybe now more AAPI will be admitted.

Makes me wonder who is promoting threads like this. People with ulterior motives?

Because the Jewish people we know IRL who are alumni and/or have kids at Penn want to see an appropriate correction; they are not cutting ties over this.

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Anonymous wrote:Will there be fewer applicants to these universities next year because of the failure of their presidents to provide clear responses against anti-semitism in congressional testimony this week? Each president embarrassed herself and her institution, although the Harvard president was particularly noteworthy.

Maybe Jewish people won't apply, but it will still be more applicants than the school can accept so it won't matter.

Exactly. Many posters don’t seem to understand that Jews are a small minority in the world. There are thousands and thousands of Uber wealthy international students who will gladly take their places at these fine institutions.

It’s not just Jewish students pulling back. It’s students who want exceptional environments across the board.

When the students with the most choices pull back, these schools have a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:They came off like Victorian boffins in a boxing ring. Read the book. Knew the rules by heart. Then got into it with street fighters.

A whole Dumbledore vs the Ministry of Magic vibe

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There is zero chance I will allow either of my children to apply to Harvard, UPenn, or MIT as long as Gay, Magill, or Kornbluth are their respective presidents.

There are equal or better options available which are not led by antiSemites.

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Anonymous wrote:They came off like Victorian boffins in a boxing ring. Read the book. Knew the rules by heart. Then got into it with street fighters.

A whole Dumbledore vs the Ministry of Magic vibe

Yes, the Umbridge vibe the presidents were giving was strong.

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Anonymous wrote:Will there be fewer applicants to these universities next year because of the failure of their presidents to provide clear responses against anti-semitism in congressional testimony this week? Each president embarrassed herself and her institution, although the Harvard president was particularly noteworthy.

Maybe Jewish people won't apply, but it will still be more applicants than the school can accept so it won't matter.

Exactly. Many posters don’t seem to understand that Jews are a small minority in the world. There are thousands and thousands of Uber wealthy international students who will gladly take their places at these fine institutions.

It’s not just Jewish students pulling back. It’s students who want exceptional environments across the board.

When the students with the most choices pull back, these schools have a problem.

Sure. Show me the numbers.

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No one gets in from our school anyway. 40-50 kids apply every year and all are rejected save one or two every few years.

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Anonymous wrote:There is zero chance I will allow either of my children to apply to Harvard, UPenn, or MIT as long as Gay, Magill, or Kornbluth are their respective presidents.

There are equal or better options available which are not led by antiSemites.

There is close to zero chances your kids would ever get in, so that's not really an issue. Doesn't matter if they are valedictorian with 1600 SATs etc.

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Anonymous wrote:No one gets in from our school anyway. 40-50 kids apply every year and all are rejected save one or two every few years.

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There's like a Harvard admit OR an MIT admit once or twice a decade from our high performing public school.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes definitely. Not only will there be no Jewish students applying, but many non-Jewish will look elsewhere. The schools are getting blacklisted by quite a few CEOs and others will be hesitant to welcome a graduate into a diverse working atmosphere.

Wall Street is not blacklisting the Wharton School. Get real.

Idk. The Wharton school doesn’t look so great now. No NYC business wants to hire brain-dead ideologues. It’s bad for business.

Wishful thinking. Our company will definitely continue hiring there, as well as Harvard and MIT.

Idk. I’ve been hearing about employers moving away from the Ivies for some time now. It’s not that they don’t hire from them, but they’ve expanded outward because Ivy students are getting a reputation as entitled prima donnas. So yes people will still hire them but the assumption that these students are the best and brightest is and has faded.

Ha! Tell that to Bridgewater and Jane Street