Defund the Police versus Abortion Bans

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Education in red states is in the toilet.

You may want to open the MCPS thread. Education is in the toilet almost everywhere in the US.

I'm sorry. There is no comparison with states that literally ban books.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is not a thing. stop trying to make it a thing

Catch and release is a thing. No matter how many times you say it isn’t.

Not in most places. DC? Maybe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is not a thing. stop trying to make it a thing

Catch and release is a thing. No matter how many times you say it isn’t.

Not in most places. DC? Maybe.

And NOVA, and NYC, and …

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

I didn’t force you to get (or not) get a vaccine against your will.

You (the collective “you”) absolutely did. It was the only way I could keep my job, or get another job, and be able to earn a living. If I didn’t submit to your vaccine demands, I couldn’t go to public events like concerts or games, get into various restaurants, be voluntarily admitted to a hospital for elective treatment/care/surgery or receive life saving medical care like an organ transplant, I couldn’t attend college which I’d already paid for, and a myriad of other things I couldn’t do during 2021-2022 without showing that stupid little white card.

Don’t even try to claim that people weren’t forced to get vaccinated. We were all around back then. We know better. And your claiming otherwise makes you the foulest type of liar there is - a gaslighter. Because we all lived through it - and now you try to convince us that never happened.

You had a choice and had to face consequences of that choice. That's what adults do. You chose not to get vaccinated then you can chose to eat at home, not got a concert and qualify for a organ transplant. It's really that simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We just need to be very clear that we want to fund the police, we're tough on crime, AND we want freedom for women.

Duh.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

This is not correct at all re: abortions. It’s the opposite in epic proportions. Abortions (medical term, NOT “elective”) are so common. This is what politicians don’t (want to) understand.
They are a normal part of a women’s lifetime, affecting 50% of pregnancies.
Yes, the medical term abortion applies to all pregnancies where, to nobody’s fault, a pregnancy could not go forward. It is highly likely that each woman, if she becomes pregnant a few times in her life, will need abortion care at some point. Not providing the best care available harms a woman’s fertility, her life, and the lives of future babies that could have been!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We just need to be very clear that we want to fund the police, we're tough on crime, AND we want freedom for women.

Duh.

I think the Democrats suck at this messaging though, it’s not clear enough.

I’d like to hear the Democrats say this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Police are still funded in VA so that’s not really relevant. And abortion is on the table with some 100% ban candidates.

So it’s a very easy choice in VA.

Yup.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Education in red states is in the toilet.

You may want to open the MCPS thread. Education is in the toilet almost everywhere in the US.

I'm sorry. There is no comparison with states that literally ban books.

Quote us accurately: we don’t want to ban all books. Just the ones in middle school libraries that show graphic art depictions (because photos would be child porn) of minors engaged in sexual intercourse and oral sex with adult men. Those are the only books I want banned in Fairfax County public schools.

So please quote us accurately.

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can protect myself from an unwanted pregnancy easier than I can the rampant crime in this area.

I am personally pro-life but do not want to see a full ban for others. But, I will vote on crime, border safety and common sense education (aka academics).

Education in red states is in the toilet.

Which is alarming, because normally it’s only blue states with schools in horrid shape.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Well, the Supreme Court** does. And so do a lot of red state governors and legislatures.

**The religious extremists with stolen seats on the SCOTUS want to infringe on my rights

Please provide citation for stolen seats claim.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

I didn’t force you to get (or not) get a vaccine against your will.

You (the collective “you”) absolutely did. It was the only way I could keep my job, or get another job, and be able to earn a living. If I didn’t submit to your vaccine demands, I couldn’t go to public events like concerts or games, get into various restaurants, be voluntarily admitted to a hospital for elective treatment/care/surgery or receive life saving medical care like an organ transplant, I couldn’t attend college which I’d already paid for, and a myriad of other things I couldn’t do during 2021-2022 without showing that stupid little white card.

Don’t even try to claim that people weren’t forced to get vaccinated. We were all around back then. We know better. And your claiming otherwise makes you the foulest type of liar there is - a gaslighter. Because we all lived through it - and now you try to convince us that never happened.

It’s really disgusting that you are equating vaccine requirements for jobs/colleges (that have existed forever) with laws making abortion a FELONY.

No one FORCED you to get vaccinated. It was always a choice for you. Maybe one that you didn’t like but it was always a choice. GMAFB.

Show us, at any given point in time (outside of healthcare) that people had to show their vaccination status to their employers to keep their jobs. Keep in mind that the federal government required these forced vaccines on anyone that did work with the federal government, so that encapsulated over 80 MILLION workers. From linemen to Walmart stockers.
Show me one time, that these types of jobs required proof of any type of vaccine to stay employed.

And another thing. Blue states were withholding unemployment payments for people that were let go from their jobs because of covid vaccine refusal. You guys were literally starving people out.
Damn straight many of us will never forget how democrats treated people in the pandemic.

Yep. And now a year or two later, they’re trying to gaslight everyone and deny it ever even happened. It’s incredible really. Reminds me of classic domestic abuser gaslighting behavior.

[Anonymous]

I'm sorry. There is no comparison with states that literally ban books.

Why do people say this? It’s so obviously partisan. I don’t want to ban any book. They can continue to be published, printed, and then every county library.

It is true, I do not want porno graphic content in ES/MS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Northern VA crime is on the rise, not yet at DC levels but soon will be given that catch and release is spreading to NOVA.

No it isn’t and knock off this catch and release right wing propaganda.

I realize Fox News viewers believe this because they are terrified of brown people. But words like “spreading” and “catch and release” are deliberate lies

Yes, both violent and non-violent crime is on the rise in VA. Yes, NOVA has CA’s that are not prosecuting to the extent they should and criminals are being released back into society. For the poster always looking for a citation - https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/crime/2022-violent-crime-fbi-data-virginia/291-36b8f958-5058-41d8-ac36-11a81ead4c7a#:~:text=Virginia%2C%20however%2C%20has%20seen%20an,span%2C%20with%20569%20homicide%20incidents.

What I see when I go the source referenced in that article are a couple of things:

1) “Uptick” is probably the right word. It barely registered and it fell from 2018-2019. And ticked up very slightly in 2020 and 2022. Like we are talking a rate of 234 incidents per 100,000 people in 2022 compared to 208.7 in 2000. The United States rate overall is was 380.7 incidents per 100,000.

2) The “uptick” includes three years of Trump’s administration (2018, 2019, 2020)

3) There is an important caveat about data anomalies in the footnotes regarding the 2021 figures that say that data cannot be added to 5-10- and 20-year trend presentations that used different methodologies. In other words, they calculated things differently in 2021, the first real year of the “uptick.”

Context matters.

https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

I didn’t force you to get (or not) get a vaccine against your will.

You (the collective “you”) absolutely did. It was the only way I could keep my job, or get another job, and be able to earn a living. If I didn’t submit to your vaccine demands, I couldn’t go to public events like concerts or games, get into various restaurants, be voluntarily admitted to a hospital for elective treatment/care/surgery or receive life saving medical care like an organ transplant, I couldn’t attend college which I’d already paid for, and a myriad of other things I couldn’t do during 2021-2022 without showing that stupid little white card.

Don’t even try to claim that people weren’t forced to get vaccinated. We were all around back then. We know better. And your claiming otherwise makes you the foulest type of liar there is - a gaslighter. Because we all lived through it - and now you try to convince us that never happened.

It’s really disgusting that you are equating vaccine requirements for jobs/colleges (that have existed forever) with laws making abortion a FELONY.

No one FORCED you to get vaccinated. It was always a choice for you. Maybe one that you didn’t like but it was always a choice. GMAFB.

Revisionist history at work.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/04/osha-federal-vaccine-mandate-covers-84-million-workerswhat-to-know.html

So you were choosing between getting vaccinated or getting tested regularly?

And now you’re equating this to forcing women to continue a pregnancy and give birth?

Sit TF down.

Anti-vaxxers think that getting a nasal swab once a week during COVID was as bad as forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy and give birth.