What's happening in FL colleges is kind of scary

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is bad enough, but Florida is also killing majors in doesn't like and altering courses to erase the sins of history.

Because, hey, slavery teaches valuable job skills!

Ben Sasse, the DeSantis pick for UF president, hides from the students because he is so unpopular on camps. He is on the record to slash majors and raise in-state tuition. The NYTimes did a great piece on his slithery ways.

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but can we just teach history, instead of “the sins of history”?

What? History includes sins, mega sins, many times over. How do you teach any history without including the sins????

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is in the process of choosing which colleges to apply to and I'm actively encouraging her to apply to Florida colleges. She's not going to get into an Ivy, but will be competitive for state schools and Florida colleges have excellent connections with businesses that enable students to get lucrative internships and grads to be easily recruited into good jobs. Also, the south (particularly Florida, Texas, Tennessee, and Georgia) is much more primed for economic growth than the north, and while you can leave college and move anywhere, it can be easier if you start college in your target area. We moved south in part for this reason, to profit from the regional growth and also to move our kids to a more stable educational/cultural environment.

Also if she gets raped and becomes pregnant you are totally ok with her having no access to abortion and her education and career plans derailing because you’ll become a grandparent. So trade off.

Seriously? NP here. WTF, you all do realize that if someone in a state that has restrictive abortion policies wants an abortion, most (especially those here on DCUM) would have the ability to go to another state to get it done? In FL by the way, you can still have an abortion before 15 weeks. I think OP 's daughter is good, y'all so no need for the dramatics.

“Most”. Wowee check your privilege. Maybe go work with some teens in poverty and see how many of them could simply up and travel across state lines for an abortion. Good god.

PS do you know what borders most of Florida? Not another state. How long do you think it takes to travel from Miami to a state with abortion rights? For someone who can’t afford plane tickets.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is in the process of choosing which colleges to apply to and I'm actively encouraging her to apply to Florida colleges. She's not going to get into an Ivy, but will be competitive for state schools and Florida colleges have excellent connections with businesses that enable students to get lucrative internships and grads to be easily recruited into good jobs. Also, the south (particularly Florida, Texas, Tennessee, and Georgia) is much more primed for economic growth than the north, and while you can leave college and move anywhere, it can be easier if you start college in your target area. We moved south in part for this reason, to profit from the regional growth and also to move our kids to a more stable educational/cultural environment.

Also if she gets raped and becomes pregnant you are totally ok with her having no access to abortion and her education and career plans derailing because you’ll become a grandparent. So trade off.

Seriously? NP here. WTF, you all do realize that if someone in a state that has restrictive abortion policies wants an abortion, most (especially those here on DCUM) would have the ability to go to another state to get it done? In FL by the way, you can still have an abortion before 15 weeks. I think OP 's daughter is good, y'all so no need for the dramatics.

Are you pretending Desantis isn’t trying to get abortions banned from 6 weeks on or earlier? Really?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is bad enough, but Florida is also killing majors in doesn't like and altering courses to erase the sins of history.

Because, hey, slavery teaches valuable job skills!

Ben Sasse, the DeSantis pick for UF president, hides from the students because he is so unpopular on camps. He is on the record to slash majors and raise in-state tuition. The NYTimes did a great piece on his slithery ways.

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but can we just teach history, instead of “the sins of history”?

What? History includes sins, mega sins, many times over. How do you teach any history without including the sins????

That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how a thread on changes to an honors college in Florida became derailed by abortion but….

New College is an extremely left leaning honors college with no sports teams and no grades - only pass/fail. The changes are really extreme given this background. But at the same time, I see the word “cisgender,” and I tune out. Older generations of the college have found the current students, often obnoxious and absurd in that way only people who drop the Nazi bomb over everything can be. (By the way, I wonder how offensive it would be to actual Holocaust victims to hear the left hand wring “Nazi!” All the damn time).

So it’s concerning yet at the same time by adding conservative students you are creating diversity beyond the echo chamber that existed before. I don’t think New College was the sort of place anyone to the middle or right would have been comfortable attending before.

Thank you.

+100
The inanity of claiming LGBT people "aren't welcome" - just because they are now being treated like everyone else instead? How refreshing!

No, they are not being treated as equal. DeSantis has made it clear he is trying to erase them.

Please describe how he trying to erase them. Be specific.

Crickets. I asked the same question. I guess it's fun to call people "Nazis" and claim "erasure" of LGBT people, even if there is zero evidence to back up these histrionics.

Sorry but all your hysterics over drag queens and attempts to quash trans youth from existing or being acknowledged aren’t helping your side seem more tolerant especially when you have a history of opposing gay marriage, gay adoption rights, and gay employment rights.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is bad enough, but Florida is also killing majors in doesn't like and altering courses to erase the sins of history.

Because, hey, slavery teaches valuable job skills!

Ben Sasse, the DeSantis pick for UF president, hides from the students because he is so unpopular on camps. He is on the record to slash majors and raise in-state tuition. The NYTimes did a great piece on his slithery ways.

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but can we just teach history, instead of “the sins of history”?

What? History includes sins, mega sins, many times over. How do you teach any history without including the sins????

That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history.

Why do you lie? This is blatantly false.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is bad enough, but Florida is also killing majors in doesn't like and altering courses to erase the sins of history.

Because, hey, slavery teaches valuable job skills!

Ben Sasse, the DeSantis pick for UF president, hides from the students because he is so unpopular on camps. He is on the record to slash majors and raise in-state tuition. The NYTimes did a great piece on his slithery ways.

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but can we just teach history, instead of “the sins of history”?

Child, if you’re not being sarcastic, you really need to do some more reading.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is bad enough, but Florida is also killing majors in doesn't like and altering courses to erase the sins of history.

Because, hey, slavery teaches valuable job skills!

Ben Sasse, the DeSantis pick for UF president, hides from the students because he is so unpopular on camps. He is on the record to slash majors and raise in-state tuition. The NYTimes did a great piece on his slithery ways.

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but can we just teach history, instead of “the sins of history”?

What? History includes sins, mega sins, many times over. How do you teach any history without including the sins????

That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history.

Why do you lie? This is blatantly false.

DP. Books about AfAm history have been challenged and removed - that is not a lie. Not just from Florida schools. A Texas school removed the book Caste by Isabel Wilkerson.

In Florida a group of Black churches got together to come up with a curriculum to teach African American history in church because of the new restrictions on what can be taught in public schools.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/09/24/florida-black-history-churches-teaching/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid is in the process of choosing which colleges to apply to and I'm actively encouraging her to apply to Florida colleges. She's not going to get into an Ivy, but will be competitive for state schools and Florida colleges have excellent connections with businesses that enable students to get lucrative internships and grads to be easily recruited into good jobs. Also, the south (particularly Florida, Texas, Tennessee, and Georgia) is much more primed for economic growth than the north, and while you can leave college and move anywhere, it can be easier if you start college in your target area. We moved south in part for this reason, to profit from the regional growth and also to move our kids to a more stable educational/cultural environment.

Also if she gets raped and becomes pregnant you are totally ok with her having no access to abortion and her education and career plans derailing because you’ll become a grandparent. So trade off.

Seriously? NP here. WTF, you all do realize that if someone in a state that has restrictive abortion policies wants an abortion, most (especially those here on DCUM) would have the ability to go to another state to get it done? In FL by the way, you can still have an abortion before 15 weeks. I think OP 's daughter is good, y'all so no need for the dramatics.

“Most”. Wowee check your privilege. Maybe go work with some teens in poverty and see how many of them could simply up and travel across state lines for an abortion. Good god.

PS do you know what borders most of Florida? Not another state. How long do you think it takes to travel from Miami to a state with abortion rights? For someone who can’t afford plane tickets.

Bless your heart. Context. I was saying for most of us here on DCUM- I highly doubt anyone who has the privilege to spend their down time complaining on DCUM and can afford to send their kid to a college in FLorida (or any college) is living in poverty and wouldn't be able to fly or drive their daughter to a state that allows abortions. People were jumping on one PP who said she was okay with sending her daughter to college in Florida and I'm amazed how the immediate response was, but she won't be able to have an abortion! Get a grip!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is bad enough, but Florida is also killing majors in doesn't like and altering courses to erase the sins of history.

Because, hey, slavery teaches valuable job skills!

Ben Sasse, the DeSantis pick for UF president, hides from the students because he is so unpopular on camps. He is on the record to slash majors and raise in-state tuition. The NYTimes did a great piece on his slithery ways.

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but can we just teach history, instead of “the sins of history”?

What? History includes sins, mega sins, many times over. How do you teach any history without including the sins????

That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history.

Why do you lie? This is blatantly false.

DP. Books about AfAm history have been challenged and removed - that is not a lie. Not just from Florida schools. A Texas school removed the book Caste by Isabel Wilkerson.

In Florida a group of Black churches got together to come up with a curriculum to teach African American history in church because of the new restrictions on what can be taught in public schools.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/09/24/florida-black-history-churches-teaching/

This is what pp said... "That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history"
And, it is a blatantly false statement.

Just to be clear, here are the standards for the teaching of African American studies in FL:
https://www.fldoe.org/academics/standards/subject-areas/social-studies/african-amer-hist.stml

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is bad enough, but Florida is also killing majors in doesn't like and altering courses to erase the sins of history.

Because, hey, slavery teaches valuable job skills!

Ben Sasse, the DeSantis pick for UF president, hides from the students because he is so unpopular on camps. He is on the record to slash majors and raise in-state tuition. The NYTimes did a great piece on his slithery ways.

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but can we just teach history, instead of “the sins of history”?

What? History includes sins, mega sins, many times over. How do you teach any history without including the sins????

That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history.

Why do you lie? This is blatantly false.

It’s not blatantly false. While the brown shirts are screaming about Genderqueer (which isn’t in K-5 and isn’t in any classroom instruction), they don’t mention the reams of books about African American history and books about normal LGBTQ families that have been taken out of classrooms. The goal is to strip out anything that challenges the White, male, Christian-identified version of history. Women and minorities and their contributions to history should not be able to be seen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is bad enough, but Florida is also killing majors in doesn't like and altering courses to erase the sins of history.

Because, hey, slavery teaches valuable job skills!

Ben Sasse, the DeSantis pick for UF president, hides from the students because he is so unpopular on camps. He is on the record to slash majors and raise in-state tuition. The NYTimes did a great piece on his slithery ways.

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but can we just teach history, instead of “the sins of history”?

What? History includes sins, mega sins, many times over. How do you teach any history without including the sins????

That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history.

Why do you lie? This is blatantly false.

It’s not blatantly false. While the brown shirts are screaming about Genderqueer (which isn’t in K-5 and isn’t in any classroom instruction), they don’t mention the reams of books about African American history and books about normal LGBTQ families that have been taken out of classrooms. The goal is to strip out anything that challenges the White, male, Christian-identified version of history. Women and minorities and their contributions to history should not be able to be seen.

Yup, looked into it. False

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is bad enough, but Florida is also killing majors in doesn't like and altering courses to erase the sins of history.

Because, hey, slavery teaches valuable job skills!

Ben Sasse, the DeSantis pick for UF president, hides from the students because he is so unpopular on camps. He is on the record to slash majors and raise in-state tuition. The NYTimes did a great piece on his slithery ways.

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but can we just teach history, instead of “the sins of history”?

What? History includes sins, mega sins, many times over. How do you teach any history without including the sins????

That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history.

Why do you lie? This is blatantly false.

It’s not blatantly false. While the brown shirts are screaming about Genderqueer (which isn’t in K-5 and isn’t in any classroom instruction), they don’t mention the reams of books about African American history and books about normal LGBTQ families that have been taken out of classrooms. The goal is to strip out anything that challenges the White, male, Christian-identified version of history. Women and minorities and their contributions to history should not be able to be seen.

Once again for the liars in the back of the room:

African American History standards in FL:
https://www.fldoe.org/academics/standards/subject-areas/social-studies/african-amer-hist.stml

Stop lying and gaslighting.
Instead, believe the words of the black man who helped draft the standards for Florida:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is bad enough, but Florida is also killing majors in doesn't like and altering courses to erase the sins of history.

Because, hey, slavery teaches valuable job skills!

Ben Sasse, the DeSantis pick for UF president, hides from the students because he is so unpopular on camps. He is on the record to slash majors and raise in-state tuition. The NYTimes did a great piece on his slithery ways.

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but can we just teach history, instead of “the sins of history”?

What? History includes sins, mega sins, many times over. How do you teach any history without including the sins????

That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history.

Why do you lie? This is blatantly false.

DP. Books about AfAm history have been challenged and removed - that is not a lie. Not just from Florida schools. A Texas school removed the book Caste by Isabel Wilkerson.

In Florida a group of Black churches got together to come up with a curriculum to teach African American history in church because of the new restrictions on what can be taught in public schools.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/09/24/florida-black-history-churches-teaching/

This is what pp said... "That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history"
And, it is a blatantly false statement.

Just to be clear, here are the standards for the teaching of African American studies in FL:
https://www.fldoe.org/academics/standards/subject-areas/social-studies/african-amer-hist.stml

They think it's okay to lie if it helps them advance an "emotional truth" or helps them achieve a policy goal that they consider essential.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is bad enough, but Florida is also killing majors in doesn't like and altering courses to erase the sins of history.

Because, hey, slavery teaches valuable job skills!

Ben Sasse, the DeSantis pick for UF president, hides from the students because he is so unpopular on camps. He is on the record to slash majors and raise in-state tuition. The NYTimes did a great piece on his slithery ways.

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but can we just teach history, instead of “the sins of history”?

What? History includes sins, mega sins, many times over. How do you teach any history without including the sins????

That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history.

Why do you lie? This is blatantly false.

DP. Books about AfAm history have been challenged and removed - that is not a lie. Not just from Florida schools. A Texas school removed the book Caste by Isabel Wilkerson.

In Florida a group of Black churches got together to come up with a curriculum to teach African American history in church because of the new restrictions on what can be taught in public schools.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/09/24/florida-black-history-churches-teaching/

This is what pp said... "That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history"
And, it is a blatantly false statement.

Just to be clear, here are the standards for the teaching of African American studies in FL:
https://www.fldoe.org/academics/standards/subject-areas/social-studies/african-amer-hist.stml

NP here.

I live in FL. My teenager's high school library currently has ZERO books available on any subject.

That's right: a public high school without a library.

Why? B/c staff could not review the books for compliance with the new laws (and also deal with the challenges to individual books).

So the net effect of the laws for my kid?

ZERO books on AA history AND ZERO books on every other subject.