trans in Texas schools

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Anonymous wrote:What has opposing these things done to help you “solve” the problem of kids being trans?

The medical establishment needs to provide care based on science and research not ideology. When the care deviates from science trouble will ensue. Part of what also needs to be done is understanding why there has been a surge of teenagers identifying as transgender especially girls when it used to be very rare primarily affecting males. A good start would be the US adopting a more cautious approach similar to other countries. A child's future fertility and sexual function is potentially on the line along with other permanent effects. Why would you not want protocols based on strong science and research?

"A series of Europe-based systematic reviews of evidence for the benefits and risks of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones have shown a low certainty of benefits. Specifically, longitudinal data collected and analyzed by public health authorities in Finland, Sweden, the Netherlands and England have concluded that the risk-benefit ratio of youth gender transition ranges from unknown to unfavorable."

You are arguing with people not able to critically assess your points because they have fully bought into the idea that if you dont trans the kids, they will die. They think that if you don't rush to surgery, the kid will commit suicide. So when you say, hold up, the evidence of this being helpful is weak and the evidence of it being harmful is much stronger, they can't comprehend how that is a reasonable and indeed compassionate concern. They literally think these kids are dropping like flies, dying off due to a lack of affirmation-- surgical and otherwise.

Way to project. We don’t all think that.

What would be your reason for not wanting treatments to be based on the best available research, then? I could see if you are so terrified that kids will kill themselves that you wouldn't care that much about efficacy of treatment because you believe the alternative is death. It is much less clear why you'd be supportive of treatments that the best research shows tends to be ineffective and comes with very high health risks.

I do want treatments based on studies and clinical knowledge. I don’t think you are qualified to make decisions or even treatment suggestions for other people. Unless you’re a doctor specializing in this, your opinion isn’t needed.

You're the one that is backing a specific regime of treatments.

No, I’m not. What I’m doing is challenging your poorly informed ideas. What I hear from people like you, and the other people obsessed with trans kids does not even closely resemble the trans people I know in real life. You are on this rampage, and haven’t even noticed the difference in a social transition vs a medical one. You think there’s a one-size-fits-all care approach to non-binary and trans people, when I know that is not true. You are claiming to be concerned about kids, but I find that claim to be dubious. If you cared about what this kind of rhetoric does to trans kids, you’d shut your mouth. You’d realize that “opposing” treatment protocols is nothing more than you spewing your non-medical opinion on the internet. It’s not actually helping anyone. It makes the conversation harder to have when everyone thinks they get a say in how trans people are allowed to exist. You don’t get a say. No one asked you.

It may come as a brutal shock to you, but stamping your feet and demanding that people don’t think, don’t read, don’t have opinions, and basically act as intelligently as a potted plant is not really going to convince people you have the winning argument.

There are extremely detailed articles and books written by very good investigative journalists on this topic. Hannah Barnes’s book is getting shortlisted for prestigious awards for investigative journalism. Well-respected mainstream publications are discussing the lack of evidence for medical transition of children. But you maintain that those books shouldn’t be published, that people shouldn’t read, that newspapers shouldn’t have even mildly critical articles, that all dissent on this topic be silenced unless you are the treating physician of a trans person or the trans child themselves?

Here is an answer: No. Absolutely not. I will never, ever turn off my brain the way you are demanding.

Do you get legal advice from your dentist? Tax advice from your lawn guy?

No one gives a shit what you think, and you believing your opinion matters does actual harm.

No. What does real harm is people like you demanding that nobody think and nobody read unless they are in a small approved group of ideologically-driven people who have made it clear they do not care about the accumulating medical evidence of harm to children.

It’s so strange and sad to watch the progressive left enthusiastically embrace anti-intellectualism with the same fervor as the MAGAs.

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This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

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Anonymous wrote:What has opposing these things done to help you “solve” the problem of kids being trans?

The medical establishment needs to provide care based on science and research not ideology. When the care deviates from science trouble will ensue. Part of what also needs to be done is understanding why there has been a surge of teenagers identifying as transgender especially girls when it used to be very rare primarily affecting males. A good start would be the US adopting a more cautious approach similar to other countries. A child's future fertility and sexual function is potentially on the line along with other permanent effects. Why would you not want protocols based on strong science and research?

"A series of Europe-based systematic reviews of evidence for the benefits and risks of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones have shown a low certainty of benefits. Specifically, longitudinal data collected and analyzed by public health authorities in Finland, Sweden, the Netherlands and England have concluded that the risk-benefit ratio of youth gender transition ranges from unknown to unfavorable."

You are arguing with people not able to critically assess your points because they have fully bought into the idea that if you dont trans the kids, they will die. They think that if you don't rush to surgery, the kid will commit suicide. So when you say, hold up, the evidence of this being helpful is weak and the evidence of it being harmful is much stronger, they can't comprehend how that is a reasonable and indeed compassionate concern. They literally think these kids are dropping like flies, dying off due to a lack of affirmation-- surgical and otherwise.

Way to project. We don’t all think that.

What would be your reason for not wanting treatments to be based on the best available research, then? I could see if you are so terrified that kids will kill themselves that you wouldn't care that much about efficacy of treatment because you believe the alternative is death. It is much less clear why you'd be supportive of treatments that the best research shows tends to be ineffective and comes with very high health risks.

I do want treatments based on studies and clinical knowledge. I don’t think you are qualified to make decisions or even treatment suggestions for other people. Unless you’re a doctor specializing in this, your opinion isn’t needed.

You're the one that is backing a specific regime of treatments.

No, I’m not. What I’m doing is challenging your poorly informed ideas. What I hear from people like you, and the other people obsessed with trans kids does not even closely resemble the trans people I know in real life. You are on this rampage, and haven’t even noticed the difference in a social transition vs a medical one. You think there’s a one-size-fits-all care approach to non-binary and trans people, when I know that is not true. You are claiming to be concerned about kids, but I find that claim to be dubious. If you cared about what this kind of rhetoric does to trans kids, you’d shut your mouth. You’d realize that “opposing” treatment protocols is nothing more than you spewing your non-medical opinion on the internet. It’s not actually helping anyone. It makes the conversation harder to have when everyone thinks they get a say in how trans people are allowed to exist. You don’t get a say. No one asked you.

It may come as a brutal shock to you, but stamping your feet and demanding that people don’t think, don’t read, don’t have opinions, and basically act as intelligently as a potted plant is not really going to convince people you have the winning argument.

There are extremely detailed articles and books written by very good investigative journalists on this topic. Hannah Barnes’s book is getting shortlisted for prestigious awards for investigative journalism. Well-respected mainstream publications are discussing the lack of evidence for medical transition of children. But you maintain that those books shouldn’t be published, that people shouldn’t read, that newspapers shouldn’t have even mildly critical articles, that all dissent on this topic be silenced unless you are the treating physician of a trans person or the trans child themselves?

Here is an answer: No. Absolutely not. I will never, ever turn off my brain the way you are demanding.

Do you get legal advice from your dentist? Tax advice from your lawn guy?

No one gives a shit what you think, and you believing your opinion matters does actual harm.

You don’t think that the free exchange of thought is important? Though I’m not a doctor, I do possess the ability to think critically and I find it intensely abhorrent that you want everyone to shut up if they’re saying something you don’t agree with. That’s not how humanity progresses.

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

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Anonymous wrote:What has opposing these things done to help you “solve” the problem of kids being trans?

The medical establishment needs to provide care based on science and research not ideology. When the care deviates from science trouble will ensue. Part of what also needs to be done is understanding why there has been a surge of teenagers identifying as transgender especially girls when it used to be very rare primarily affecting males. A good start would be the US adopting a more cautious approach similar to other countries. A child's future fertility and sexual function is potentially on the line along with other permanent effects. Why would you not want protocols based on strong science and research?

"A series of Europe-based systematic reviews of evidence for the benefits and risks of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones have shown a low certainty of benefits. Specifically, longitudinal data collected and analyzed by public health authorities in Finland, Sweden, the Netherlands and England have concluded that the risk-benefit ratio of youth gender transition ranges from unknown to unfavorable."

You are arguing with people not able to critically assess your points because they have fully bought into the idea that if you dont trans the kids, they will die. They think that if you don't rush to surgery, the kid will commit suicide. So when you say, hold up, the evidence of this being helpful is weak and the evidence of it being harmful is much stronger, they can't comprehend how that is a reasonable and indeed compassionate concern. They literally think these kids are dropping like flies, dying off due to a lack of affirmation-- surgical and otherwise.

Way to project. We don’t all think that.

What would be your reason for not wanting treatments to be based on the best available research, then? I could see if you are so terrified that kids will kill themselves that you wouldn't care that much about efficacy of treatment because you believe the alternative is death. It is much less clear why you'd be supportive of treatments that the best research shows tends to be ineffective and comes with very high health risks.

I do want treatments based on studies and clinical knowledge. I don’t think you are qualified to make decisions or even treatment suggestions for other people. Unless you’re a doctor specializing in this, your opinion isn’t needed.

You're the one that is backing a specific regime of treatments.

No, I’m not. What I’m doing is challenging your poorly informed ideas. What I hear from people like you, and the other people obsessed with trans kids does not even closely resemble the trans people I know in real life. You are on this rampage, and haven’t even noticed the difference in a social transition vs a medical one. You think there’s a one-size-fits-all care approach to non-binary and trans people, when I know that is not true. You are claiming to be concerned about kids, but I find that claim to be dubious. If you cared about what this kind of rhetoric does to trans kids, you’d shut your mouth. You’d realize that “opposing” treatment protocols is nothing more than you spewing your non-medical opinion on the internet. It’s not actually helping anyone. It makes the conversation harder to have when everyone thinks they get a say in how trans people are allowed to exist. You don’t get a say. No one asked you.

It may come as a brutal shock to you, but stamping your feet and demanding that people don’t think, don’t read, don’t have opinions, and basically act as intelligently as a potted plant is not really going to convince people you have the winning argument.

There are extremely detailed articles and books written by very good investigative journalists on this topic. Hannah Barnes’s book is getting shortlisted for prestigious awards for investigative journalism. Well-respected mainstream publications are discussing the lack of evidence for medical transition of children. But you maintain that those books shouldn’t be published, that people shouldn’t read, that newspapers shouldn’t have even mildly critical articles, that all dissent on this topic be silenced unless you are the treating physician of a trans person or the trans child themselves?

Here is an answer: No. Absolutely not. I will never, ever turn off my brain the way you are demanding.

Do you get legal advice from your dentist? Tax advice from your lawn guy?

No one gives a shit what you think, and you believing your opinion matters does actual harm.

Opinions do matter, though. Opinions often turn into laws. So when we express opinions about trans surgeries on minors, politicians take note and they make laws.

This is why you are spending your time trying to silence us and trying to convince people that a small elite group can make ideologically driven decisions on trans, but the common folk can shove it unless they are a doctor (who agrees).

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Anonymous wrote:What has opposing these things done to help you “solve” the problem of kids being trans?

The medical establishment needs to provide care based on science and research not ideology. When the care deviates from science trouble will ensue. Part of what also needs to be done is understanding why there has been a surge of teenagers identifying as transgender especially girls when it used to be very rare primarily affecting males. A good start would be the US adopting a more cautious approach similar to other countries. A child's future fertility and sexual function is potentially on the line along with other permanent effects. Why would you not want protocols based on strong science and research?

"A series of Europe-based systematic reviews of evidence for the benefits and risks of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones have shown a low certainty of benefits. Specifically, longitudinal data collected and analyzed by public health authorities in Finland, Sweden, the Netherlands and England have concluded that the risk-benefit ratio of youth gender transition ranges from unknown to unfavorable."

You are arguing with people not able to critically assess your points because they have fully bought into the idea that if you dont trans the kids, they will die. They think that if you don't rush to surgery, the kid will commit suicide. So when you say, hold up, the evidence of this being helpful is weak and the evidence of it being harmful is much stronger, they can't comprehend how that is a reasonable and indeed compassionate concern. They literally think these kids are dropping like flies, dying off due to a lack of affirmation-- surgical and otherwise.

Way to project. We don’t all think that.

What would be your reason for not wanting treatments to be based on the best available research, then? I could see if you are so terrified that kids will kill themselves that you wouldn't care that much about efficacy of treatment because you believe the alternative is death. It is much less clear why you'd be supportive of treatments that the best research shows tends to be ineffective and comes with very high health risks.

I do want treatments based on studies and clinical knowledge. I don’t think you are qualified to make decisions or even treatment suggestions for other people. Unless you’re a doctor specializing in this, your opinion isn’t needed.

You're the one that is backing a specific regime of treatments.

No, I’m not. What I’m doing is challenging your poorly informed ideas. What I hear from people like you, and the other people obsessed with trans kids does not even closely resemble the trans people I know in real life. You are on this rampage, and haven’t even noticed the difference in a social transition vs a medical one. You think there’s a one-size-fits-all care approach to non-binary and trans people, when I know that is not true. You are claiming to be concerned about kids, but I find that claim to be dubious. If you cared about what this kind of rhetoric does to trans kids, you’d shut your mouth. You’d realize that “opposing” treatment protocols is nothing more than you spewing your non-medical opinion on the internet. It’s not actually helping anyone. It makes the conversation harder to have when everyone thinks they get a say in how trans people are allowed to exist. You don’t get a say. No one asked you.

It may come as a brutal shock to you, but stamping your feet and demanding that people don’t think, don’t read, don’t have opinions, and basically act as intelligently as a potted plant is not really going to convince people you have the winning argument.

There are extremely detailed articles and books written by very good investigative journalists on this topic. Hannah Barnes’s book is getting shortlisted for prestigious awards for investigative journalism. Well-respected mainstream publications are discussing the lack of evidence for medical transition of children. But you maintain that those books shouldn’t be published, that people shouldn’t read, that newspapers shouldn’t have even mildly critical articles, that all dissent on this topic be silenced unless you are the treating physician of a trans person or the trans child themselves?

Here is an answer: No. Absolutely not. I will never, ever turn off my brain the way you are demanding.

Do you get legal advice from your dentist? Tax advice from your lawn guy?

No one gives a shit what you think, and you believing your opinion matters does actual harm.

No. What does real harm is people like you demanding that nobody think and nobody read unless they are in a small approved group of ideologically-driven people who have made it clear they do not care about the accumulating medical evidence of harm to children.

It’s so strange and sad to watch the progressive left enthusiastically embrace anti-intellectualism with the same fervor as the MAGAs.

I never told you to not think, or not read. Way to go on proving my point, tho. Much thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:What has opposing these things done to help you “solve” the problem of kids being trans?

The medical establishment needs to provide care based on science and research not ideology. When the care deviates from science trouble will ensue. Part of what also needs to be done is understanding why there has been a surge of teenagers identifying as transgender especially girls when it used to be very rare primarily affecting males. A good start would be the US adopting a more cautious approach similar to other countries. A child's future fertility and sexual function is potentially on the line along with other permanent effects. Why would you not want protocols based on strong science and research?

"A series of Europe-based systematic reviews of evidence for the benefits and risks of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones have shown a low certainty of benefits. Specifically, longitudinal data collected and analyzed by public health authorities in Finland, Sweden, the Netherlands and England have concluded that the risk-benefit ratio of youth gender transition ranges from unknown to unfavorable."

You are arguing with people not able to critically assess your points because they have fully bought into the idea that if you dont trans the kids, they will die. They think that if you don't rush to surgery, the kid will commit suicide. So when you say, hold up, the evidence of this being helpful is weak and the evidence of it being harmful is much stronger, they can't comprehend how that is a reasonable and indeed compassionate concern. They literally think these kids are dropping like flies, dying off due to a lack of affirmation-- surgical and otherwise.

Way to project. We don’t all think that.

What would be your reason for not wanting treatments to be based on the best available research, then? I could see if you are so terrified that kids will kill themselves that you wouldn't care that much about efficacy of treatment because you believe the alternative is death. It is much less clear why you'd be supportive of treatments that the best research shows tends to be ineffective and comes with very high health risks.

I do want treatments based on studies and clinical knowledge. I don’t think you are qualified to make decisions or even treatment suggestions for other people. Unless you’re a doctor specializing in this, your opinion isn’t needed.

You're the one that is backing a specific regime of treatments.

No, I’m not. What I’m doing is challenging your poorly informed ideas. What I hear from people like you, and the other people obsessed with trans kids does not even closely resemble the trans people I know in real life. You are on this rampage, and haven’t even noticed the difference in a social transition vs a medical one. You think there’s a one-size-fits-all care approach to non-binary and trans people, when I know that is not true. You are claiming to be concerned about kids, but I find that claim to be dubious. If you cared about what this kind of rhetoric does to trans kids, you’d shut your mouth. You’d realize that “opposing” treatment protocols is nothing more than you spewing your non-medical opinion on the internet. It’s not actually helping anyone. It makes the conversation harder to have when everyone thinks they get a say in how trans people are allowed to exist. You don’t get a say. No one asked you.

It may come as a brutal shock to you, but stamping your feet and demanding that people don’t think, don’t read, don’t have opinions, and basically act as intelligently as a potted plant is not really going to convince people you have the winning argument.

There are extremely detailed articles and books written by very good investigative journalists on this topic. Hannah Barnes’s book is getting shortlisted for prestigious awards for investigative journalism. Well-respected mainstream publications are discussing the lack of evidence for medical transition of children. But you maintain that those books shouldn’t be published, that people shouldn’t read, that newspapers shouldn’t have even mildly critical articles, that all dissent on this topic be silenced unless you are the treating physician of a trans person or the trans child themselves?

Here is an answer: No. Absolutely not. I will never, ever turn off my brain the way you are demanding.

Do you get legal advice from your dentist? Tax advice from your lawn guy?

No one gives a shit what you think, and you believing your opinion matters does actual harm.

Opinions do matter, though. Opinions often turn into laws. So when we express opinions about trans surgeries on minors, politicians take note and they make laws.

This is why you are spending your time trying to silence us and trying to convince people that a small elite group can make ideologically driven decisions on trans, but the common folk can shove it unless they are a doctor (who agrees).

You and the state should stay out of it.

I haven’t given an opinion on what treatment options are best. You are projecting because I’m challenging your ideas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread isn’t about medical transitioning. It’s about a teacher refusing to use a preferred name. Regardless of how you feel about medical treatment for trans kids, can’t we all agree it’s rude to single out one child and not use the name they prefer while allowing other kids to use nicknames? Especially after the parents approved the name and school administrators told the teacher to use the name?

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Every thread dissolves to this regardless if medical transition was ever mentioned. This teacher was nothing but a hateful bully. Sees the kid in front of him yet marks him absent. That’s a dick move and it was meant to be.

That’s my fault. I’m egging them on. At some point, they’ll realize what I’m doing is making them act the way they’re whining about how the trans activists behave. Good times!!

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Anonymous wrote:What has opposing these things done to help you “solve” the problem of kids being trans?

The medical establishment needs to provide care based on science and research not ideology. When the care deviates from science trouble will ensue. Part of what also needs to be done is understanding why there has been a surge of teenagers identifying as transgender especially girls when it used to be very rare primarily affecting males. A good start would be the US adopting a more cautious approach similar to other countries. A child's future fertility and sexual function is potentially on the line along with other permanent effects. Why would you not want protocols based on strong science and research?

"A series of Europe-based systematic reviews of evidence for the benefits and risks of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones have shown a low certainty of benefits. Specifically, longitudinal data collected and analyzed by public health authorities in Finland, Sweden, the Netherlands and England have concluded that the risk-benefit ratio of youth gender transition ranges from unknown to unfavorable."

You are arguing with people not able to critically assess your points because they have fully bought into the idea that if you dont trans the kids, they will die. They think that if you don't rush to surgery, the kid will commit suicide. So when you say, hold up, the evidence of this being helpful is weak and the evidence of it being harmful is much stronger, they can't comprehend how that is a reasonable and indeed compassionate concern. They literally think these kids are dropping like flies, dying off due to a lack of affirmation-- surgical and otherwise.

Way to project. We don’t all think that.

What would be your reason for not wanting treatments to be based on the best available research, then? I could see if you are so terrified that kids will kill themselves that you wouldn't care that much about efficacy of treatment because you believe the alternative is death. It is much less clear why you'd be supportive of treatments that the best research shows tends to be ineffective and comes with very high health risks.

I do want treatments based on studies and clinical knowledge. I don’t think you are qualified to make decisions or even treatment suggestions for other people. Unless you’re a doctor specializing in this, your opinion isn’t needed.

You're the one that is backing a specific regime of treatments.

No, I’m not. What I’m doing is challenging your poorly informed ideas. What I hear from people like you, and the other people obsessed with trans kids does not even closely resemble the trans people I know in real life. You are on this rampage, and haven’t even noticed the difference in a social transition vs a medical one. You think there’s a one-size-fits-all care approach to non-binary and trans people, when I know that is not true. You are claiming to be concerned about kids, but I find that claim to be dubious. If you cared about what this kind of rhetoric does to trans kids, you’d shut your mouth. You’d realize that “opposing” treatment protocols is nothing more than you spewing your non-medical opinion on the internet. It’s not actually helping anyone. It makes the conversation harder to have when everyone thinks they get a say in how trans people are allowed to exist. You don’t get a say. No one asked you.

It may come as a brutal shock to you, but stamping your feet and demanding that people don’t think, don’t read, don’t have opinions, and basically act as intelligently as a potted plant is not really going to convince people you have the winning argument.

There are extremely detailed articles and books written by very good investigative journalists on this topic. Hannah Barnes’s book is getting shortlisted for prestigious awards for investigative journalism. Well-respected mainstream publications are discussing the lack of evidence for medical transition of children. But you maintain that those books shouldn’t be published, that people shouldn’t read, that newspapers shouldn’t have even mildly critical articles, that all dissent on this topic be silenced unless you are the treating physician of a trans person or the trans child themselves?

Here is an answer: No. Absolutely not. I will never, ever turn off my brain the way you are demanding.

Do you get legal advice from your dentist? Tax advice from your lawn guy?

No one gives a shit what you think, and you believing your opinion matters does actual harm.

Opinions do matter, though. Opinions often turn into laws. So when we express opinions about trans surgeries on minors, politicians take note and they make laws.

This is why you are spending your time trying to silence us and trying to convince people that a small elite group can make ideologically driven decisions on trans, but the common folk can shove it unless they are a doctor (who agrees).

You and the state should stay out of it.

I haven’t given an opinion on what treatment options are best. You are projecting because I’m challenging your ideas.

You haven't actually challenged the ideas, though. You've called us names and made a sort critique that we should not be allowed to have opinions. You've never rebutted our claims.

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Anonymous wrote:What has opposing these things done to help you “solve” the problem of kids being trans?

The medical establishment needs to provide care based on science and research not ideology. When the care deviates from science trouble will ensue. Part of what also needs to be done is understanding why there has been a surge of teenagers identifying as transgender especially girls when it used to be very rare primarily affecting males. A good start would be the US adopting a more cautious approach similar to other countries. A child's future fertility and sexual function is potentially on the line along with other permanent effects. Why would you not want protocols based on strong science and research?

"A series of Europe-based systematic reviews of evidence for the benefits and risks of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones have shown a low certainty of benefits. Specifically, longitudinal data collected and analyzed by public health authorities in Finland, Sweden, the Netherlands and England have concluded that the risk-benefit ratio of youth gender transition ranges from unknown to unfavorable."

You are arguing with people not able to critically assess your points because they have fully bought into the idea that if you dont trans the kids, they will die. They think that if you don't rush to surgery, the kid will commit suicide. So when you say, hold up, the evidence of this being helpful is weak and the evidence of it being harmful is much stronger, they can't comprehend how that is a reasonable and indeed compassionate concern. They literally think these kids are dropping like flies, dying off due to a lack of affirmation-- surgical and otherwise.

Way to project. We don’t all think that.

What would be your reason for not wanting treatments to be based on the best available research, then? I could see if you are so terrified that kids will kill themselves that you wouldn't care that much about efficacy of treatment because you believe the alternative is death. It is much less clear why you'd be supportive of treatments that the best research shows tends to be ineffective and comes with very high health risks.

I do want treatments based on studies and clinical knowledge. I don’t think you are qualified to make decisions or even treatment suggestions for other people. Unless you’re a doctor specializing in this, your opinion isn’t needed.

You're the one that is backing a specific regime of treatments.

No, I’m not. What I’m doing is challenging your poorly informed ideas. What I hear from people like you, and the other people obsessed with trans kids does not even closely resemble the trans people I know in real life. You are on this rampage, and haven’t even noticed the difference in a social transition vs a medical one. You think there’s a one-size-fits-all care approach to non-binary and trans people, when I know that is not true. You are claiming to be concerned about kids, but I find that claim to be dubious. If you cared about what this kind of rhetoric does to trans kids, you’d shut your mouth. You’d realize that “opposing” treatment protocols is nothing more than you spewing your non-medical opinion on the internet. It’s not actually helping anyone. It makes the conversation harder to have when everyone thinks they get a say in how trans people are allowed to exist. You don’t get a say. No one asked you.

It may come as a brutal shock to you, but stamping your feet and demanding that people don’t think, don’t read, don’t have opinions, and basically act as intelligently as a potted plant is not really going to convince people you have the winning argument.

There are extremely detailed articles and books written by very good investigative journalists on this topic. Hannah Barnes’s book is getting shortlisted for prestigious awards for investigative journalism. Well-respected mainstream publications are discussing the lack of evidence for medical transition of children. But you maintain that those books shouldn’t be published, that people shouldn’t read, that newspapers shouldn’t have even mildly critical articles, that all dissent on this topic be silenced unless you are the treating physician of a trans person or the trans child themselves?

Here is an answer: No. Absolutely not. I will never, ever turn off my brain the way you are demanding.

Do you get legal advice from your dentist? Tax advice from your lawn guy?

No one gives a shit what you think, and you believing your opinion matters does actual harm.

Opinions do matter, though. Opinions often turn into laws. So when we express opinions about trans surgeries on minors, politicians take note and they make laws.

This is why you are spending your time trying to silence us and trying to convince people that a small elite group can make ideologically driven decisions on trans, but the common folk can shove it unless they are a doctor (who agrees).

You and the state should stay out of it.

I haven’t given an opinion on what treatment options are best. You are projecting because I’m challenging your ideas.

You haven't actually challenged the ideas, though. You've called us names and made a sort critique that we should not be allowed to have opinions. You've never rebutted our claims.

Right. What you want is my opinion on trans care, and I don’t have one. I’m not qualified to offer medical advice.

Live in the gray. You don’t need to weigh in on everything.

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Anonymous wrote:What has opposing these things done to help you “solve” the problem of kids being trans?

The medical establishment needs to provide care based on science and research not ideology. When the care deviates from science trouble will ensue. Part of what also needs to be done is understanding why there has been a surge of teenagers identifying as transgender especially girls when it used to be very rare primarily affecting males. A good start would be the US adopting a more cautious approach similar to other countries. A child's future fertility and sexual function is potentially on the line along with other permanent effects. Why would you not want protocols based on strong science and research?

"A series of Europe-based systematic reviews of evidence for the benefits and risks of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones have shown a low certainty of benefits. Specifically, longitudinal data collected and analyzed by public health authorities in Finland, Sweden, the Netherlands and England have concluded that the risk-benefit ratio of youth gender transition ranges from unknown to unfavorable."

You are arguing with people not able to critically assess your points because they have fully bought into the idea that if you dont trans the kids, they will die. They think that if you don't rush to surgery, the kid will commit suicide. So when you say, hold up, the evidence of this being helpful is weak and the evidence of it being harmful is much stronger, they can't comprehend how that is a reasonable and indeed compassionate concern. They literally think these kids are dropping like flies, dying off due to a lack of affirmation-- surgical and otherwise.

Way to project. We don’t all think that.

What would be your reason for not wanting treatments to be based on the best available research, then? I could see if you are so terrified that kids will kill themselves that you wouldn't care that much about efficacy of treatment because you believe the alternative is death. It is much less clear why you'd be supportive of treatments that the best research shows tends to be ineffective and comes with very high health risks.

I do want treatments based on studies and clinical knowledge. I don’t think you are qualified to make decisions or even treatment suggestions for other people. Unless you’re a doctor specializing in this, your opinion isn’t needed.

You're the one that is backing a specific regime of treatments.

No, I’m not. What I’m doing is challenging your poorly informed ideas. What I hear from people like you, and the other people obsessed with trans kids does not even closely resemble the trans people I know in real life. You are on this rampage, and haven’t even noticed the difference in a social transition vs a medical one. You think there’s a one-size-fits-all care approach to non-binary and trans people, when I know that is not true. You are claiming to be concerned about kids, but I find that claim to be dubious. If you cared about what this kind of rhetoric does to trans kids, you’d shut your mouth. You’d realize that “opposing” treatment protocols is nothing more than you spewing your non-medical opinion on the internet. It’s not actually helping anyone. It makes the conversation harder to have when everyone thinks they get a say in how trans people are allowed to exist. You don’t get a say. No one asked you.

It may come as a brutal shock to you, but stamping your feet and demanding that people don’t think, don’t read, don’t have opinions, and basically act as intelligently as a potted plant is not really going to convince people you have the winning argument.

There are extremely detailed articles and books written by very good investigative journalists on this topic. Hannah Barnes’s book is getting shortlisted for prestigious awards for investigative journalism. Well-respected mainstream publications are discussing the lack of evidence for medical transition of children. But you maintain that those books shouldn’t be published, that people shouldn’t read, that newspapers shouldn’t have even mildly critical articles, that all dissent on this topic be silenced unless you are the treating physician of a trans person or the trans child themselves?

Here is an answer: No. Absolutely not. I will never, ever turn off my brain the way you are demanding.

Do you get legal advice from your dentist? Tax advice from your lawn guy?

No one gives a shit what you think, and you believing your opinion matters does actual harm.

Opinions do matter, though. Opinions often turn into laws. So when we express opinions about trans surgeries on minors, politicians take note and they make laws.

This is why you are spending your time trying to silence us and trying to convince people that a small elite group can make ideologically driven decisions on trans, but the common folk can shove it unless they are a doctor (who agrees).

You and the state should stay out of it.

I haven’t given an opinion on what treatment options are best. You are projecting because I’m challenging your ideas.

You haven't actually challenged the ideas, though. You've called us names and made a sort critique that we should not be allowed to have opinions. You've never rebutted our claims.

Right. What you want is my opinion on trans care, and I don’t have one. I’m not qualified to offer medical advice.

Live in the gray. You don’t need to weigh in on everything.

That isn't how a rebutal works. You don't have to have an opinion to rebut an argument. You can simply explain why an argument is wrong without advancing your own argument. You might want to sit down with a logic book.

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Anonymous wrote:What has opposing these things done to help you “solve” the problem of kids being trans?

The medical establishment needs to provide care based on science and research not ideology. When the care deviates from science trouble will ensue. Part of what also needs to be done is understanding why there has been a surge of teenagers identifying as transgender especially girls when it used to be very rare primarily affecting males. A good start would be the US adopting a more cautious approach similar to other countries. A child's future fertility and sexual function is potentially on the line along with other permanent effects. Why would you not want protocols based on strong science and research?

"A series of Europe-based systematic reviews of evidence for the benefits and risks of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones have shown a low certainty of benefits. Specifically, longitudinal data collected and analyzed by public health authorities in Finland, Sweden, the Netherlands and England have concluded that the risk-benefit ratio of youth gender transition ranges from unknown to unfavorable."

You are arguing with people not able to critically assess your points because they have fully bought into the idea that if you dont trans the kids, they will die. They think that if you don't rush to surgery, the kid will commit suicide. So when you say, hold up, the evidence of this being helpful is weak and the evidence of it being harmful is much stronger, they can't comprehend how that is a reasonable and indeed compassionate concern. They literally think these kids are dropping like flies, dying off due to a lack of affirmation-- surgical and otherwise.

Way to project. We don’t all think that.

What would be your reason for not wanting treatments to be based on the best available research, then? I could see if you are so terrified that kids will kill themselves that you wouldn't care that much about efficacy of treatment because you believe the alternative is death. It is much less clear why you'd be supportive of treatments that the best research shows tends to be ineffective and comes with very high health risks.

I do want treatments based on studies and clinical knowledge. I don’t think you are qualified to make decisions or even treatment suggestions for other people. Unless you’re a doctor specializing in this, your opinion isn’t needed.

You're the one that is backing a specific regime of treatments.

No, I’m not. What I’m doing is challenging your poorly informed ideas. What I hear from people like you, and the other people obsessed with trans kids does not even closely resemble the trans people I know in real life. You are on this rampage, and haven’t even noticed the difference in a social transition vs a medical one. You think there’s a one-size-fits-all care approach to non-binary and trans people, when I know that is not true. You are claiming to be concerned about kids, but I find that claim to be dubious. If you cared about what this kind of rhetoric does to trans kids, you’d shut your mouth. You’d realize that “opposing” treatment protocols is nothing more than you spewing your non-medical opinion on the internet. It’s not actually helping anyone. It makes the conversation harder to have when everyone thinks they get a say in how trans people are allowed to exist. You don’t get a say. No one asked you.

It may come as a brutal shock to you, but stamping your feet and demanding that people don’t think, don’t read, don’t have opinions, and basically act as intelligently as a potted plant is not really going to convince people you have the winning argument.

There are extremely detailed articles and books written by very good investigative journalists on this topic. Hannah Barnes’s book is getting shortlisted for prestigious awards for investigative journalism. Well-respected mainstream publications are discussing the lack of evidence for medical transition of children. But you maintain that those books shouldn’t be published, that people shouldn’t read, that newspapers shouldn’t have even mildly critical articles, that all dissent on this topic be silenced unless you are the treating physician of a trans person or the trans child themselves?

Here is an answer: No. Absolutely not. I will never, ever turn off my brain the way you are demanding.

Do you get legal advice from your dentist? Tax advice from your lawn guy?

No one gives a shit what you think, and you believing your opinion matters does actual harm.

Opinions do matter, though. Opinions often turn into laws. So when we express opinions about trans surgeries on minors, politicians take note and they make laws.

This is why you are spending your time trying to silence us and trying to convince people that a small elite group can make ideologically driven decisions on trans, but the common folk can shove it unless they are a doctor (who agrees).

You and the state should stay out of it.

I haven’t given an opinion on what treatment options are best. You are projecting because I’m challenging your ideas.

You haven't actually challenged the ideas, though. You've called us names and made a sort critique that we should not be allowed to have opinions. You've never rebutted our claims.

Right. What you want is my opinion on trans care, and I don’t have one. I’m not qualified to offer medical advice.

Live in the gray. You don’t need to weigh in on everything.

That isn't how a rebutal works. You don't have to have an opinion to rebut an argument. You can simply explain why an argument is wrong without advancing your own argument. You might want to sit down with a logic book.

I’m not going to entertain the idea that having an opinion on the topic makes you some sort of scholar. You have an opinion, but no real world experience in anything to do with trans people. Whoopty-f-n-doo.

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Anonymous wrote:What has opposing these things done to help you “solve” the problem of kids being trans?

The medical establishment needs to provide care based on science and research not ideology. When the care deviates from science trouble will ensue. Part of what also needs to be done is understanding why there has been a surge of teenagers identifying as transgender especially girls when it used to be very rare primarily affecting males. A good start would be the US adopting a more cautious approach similar to other countries. A child's future fertility and sexual function is potentially on the line along with other permanent effects. Why would you not want protocols based on strong science and research?

"A series of Europe-based systematic reviews of evidence for the benefits and risks of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones have shown a low certainty of benefits. Specifically, longitudinal data collected and analyzed by public health authorities in Finland, Sweden, the Netherlands and England have concluded that the risk-benefit ratio of youth gender transition ranges from unknown to unfavorable."

You are arguing with people not able to critically assess your points because they have fully bought into the idea that if you dont trans the kids, they will die. They think that if you don't rush to surgery, the kid will commit suicide. So when you say, hold up, the evidence of this being helpful is weak and the evidence of it being harmful is much stronger, they can't comprehend how that is a reasonable and indeed compassionate concern. They literally think these kids are dropping like flies, dying off due to a lack of affirmation-- surgical and otherwise.

Way to project. We don’t all think that.

What would be your reason for not wanting treatments to be based on the best available research, then? I could see if you are so terrified that kids will kill themselves that you wouldn't care that much about efficacy of treatment because you believe the alternative is death. It is much less clear why you'd be supportive of treatments that the best research shows tends to be ineffective and comes with very high health risks.

I do want treatments based on studies and clinical knowledge. I don’t think you are qualified to make decisions or even treatment suggestions for other people. Unless you’re a doctor specializing in this, your opinion isn’t needed.

You're the one that is backing a specific regime of treatments.

No, I’m not. What I’m doing is challenging your poorly informed ideas. What I hear from people like you, and the other people obsessed with trans kids does not even closely resemble the trans people I know in real life. You are on this rampage, and haven’t even noticed the difference in a social transition vs a medical one. You think there’s a one-size-fits-all care approach to non-binary and trans people, when I know that is not true. You are claiming to be concerned about kids, but I find that claim to be dubious. If you cared about what this kind of rhetoric does to trans kids, you’d shut your mouth. You’d realize that “opposing” treatment protocols is nothing more than you spewing your non-medical opinion on the internet. It’s not actually helping anyone. It makes the conversation harder to have when everyone thinks they get a say in how trans people are allowed to exist. You don’t get a say. No one asked you.

It may come as a brutal shock to you, but stamping your feet and demanding that people don’t think, don’t read, don’t have opinions, and basically act as intelligently as a potted plant is not really going to convince people you have the winning argument.

There are extremely detailed articles and books written by very good investigative journalists on this topic. Hannah Barnes’s book is getting shortlisted for prestigious awards for investigative journalism. Well-respected mainstream publications are discussing the lack of evidence for medical transition of children. But you maintain that those books shouldn’t be published, that people shouldn’t read, that newspapers shouldn’t have even mildly critical articles, that all dissent on this topic be silenced unless you are the treating physician of a trans person or the trans child themselves?

Here is an answer: No. Absolutely not. I will never, ever turn off my brain the way you are demanding.

Do you get legal advice from your dentist? Tax advice from your lawn guy?

No one gives a shit what you think, and you believing your opinion matters does actual harm.

You don’t think that the free exchange of thought is important? Though I’m not a doctor, I do possess the ability to think critically and I find it intensely abhorrent that you want everyone to shut up if they’re saying something you don’t agree with. That’s not how humanity progresses.

Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

True but imagine the ridicule he got from other students when a teacher was doing this every day.

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.