trans in Texas schools

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.

You have zero empathy for teachers who have to comply with laws and policies.

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Anonymous wrote:What has opposing these things done to help you “solve” the problem of kids being trans?

The medical establishment needs to provide care based on science and research not ideology. When the care deviates from science trouble will ensue. Part of what also needs to be done is understanding why there has been a surge of teenagers identifying as transgender especially girls when it used to be very rare primarily affecting males. A good start would be the US adopting a more cautious approach similar to other countries. A child's future fertility and sexual function is potentially on the line along with other permanent effects. Why would you not want protocols based on strong science and research?

"A series of Europe-based systematic reviews of evidence for the benefits and risks of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones have shown a low certainty of benefits. Specifically, longitudinal data collected and analyzed by public health authorities in Finland, Sweden, the Netherlands and England have concluded that the risk-benefit ratio of youth gender transition ranges from unknown to unfavorable."

You are arguing with people not able to critically assess your points because they have fully bought into the idea that if you dont trans the kids, they will die. They think that if you don't rush to surgery, the kid will commit suicide. So when you say, hold up, the evidence of this being helpful is weak and the evidence of it being harmful is much stronger, they can't comprehend how that is a reasonable and indeed compassionate concern. They literally think these kids are dropping like flies, dying off due to a lack of affirmation-- surgical and otherwise.

Way to project. We don’t all think that.

What would be your reason for not wanting treatments to be based on the best available research, then? I could see if you are so terrified that kids will kill themselves that you wouldn't care that much about efficacy of treatment because you believe the alternative is death. It is much less clear why you'd be supportive of treatments that the best research shows tends to be ineffective and comes with very high health risks.

I do want treatments based on studies and clinical knowledge. I don’t think you are qualified to make decisions or even treatment suggestions for other people. Unless you’re a doctor specializing in this, your opinion isn’t needed.

You're the one that is backing a specific regime of treatments.

No, I’m not. What I’m doing is challenging your poorly informed ideas. What I hear from people like you, and the other people obsessed with trans kids does not even closely resemble the trans people I know in real life. You are on this rampage, and haven’t even noticed the difference in a social transition vs a medical one. You think there’s a one-size-fits-all care approach to non-binary and trans people, when I know that is not true. You are claiming to be concerned about kids, but I find that claim to be dubious. If you cared about what this kind of rhetoric does to trans kids, you’d shut your mouth. You’d realize that “opposing” treatment protocols is nothing more than you spewing your non-medical opinion on the internet. It’s not actually helping anyone. It makes the conversation harder to have when everyone thinks they get a say in how trans people are allowed to exist. You don’t get a say. No one asked you.

It may come as a brutal shock to you, but stamping your feet and demanding that people don’t think, don’t read, don’t have opinions, and basically act as intelligently as a potted plant is not really going to convince people you have the winning argument.

There are extremely detailed articles and books written by very good investigative journalists on this topic. Hannah Barnes’s book is getting shortlisted for prestigious awards for investigative journalism. Well-respected mainstream publications are discussing the lack of evidence for medical transition of children. But you maintain that those books shouldn’t be published, that people shouldn’t read, that newspapers shouldn’t have even mildly critical articles, that all dissent on this topic be silenced unless you are the treating physician of a trans person or the trans child themselves?

Here is an answer: No. Absolutely not. I will never, ever turn off my brain the way you are demanding.

Do you get legal advice from your dentist? Tax advice from your lawn guy?

No one gives a shit what you think, and you believing your opinion matters does actual harm.

Opinions do matter, though. Opinions often turn into laws. So when we express opinions about trans surgeries on minors, politicians take note and they make laws.

This is why you are spending your time trying to silence us and trying to convince people that a small elite group can make ideologically driven decisions on trans, but the common folk can shove it unless they are a doctor (who agrees).

You and the state should stay out of it.

I haven’t given an opinion on what treatment options are best. You are projecting because I’m challenging your ideas.

You haven't actually challenged the ideas, though. You've called us names and made a sort critique that we should not be allowed to have opinions. You've never rebutted our claims.

Right. What you want is my opinion on trans care, and I don’t have one. I’m not qualified to offer medical advice.

Live in the gray. You don’t need to weigh in on everything.

DP here but you sound just like the leftists who told us that we parents aren't allowed to have an opinion on when public schools reopen because we must defer to teachers as the experts.

The posters are correct that your demand that we must blindly follow the leftist demands without thinking or asking questions is very dangerous. This is the new progressive gaslighting. It started with Obama. Suddenly you're a racist if you criticize the POTUS. That's crazy. You're a bigot if you criticize him for being black, but it's insane to call someone a bigot for challenging the President's policies. The latest messaging is that you're some sort of hateful bigot if you question any progressive agenda. This sit down and shut up mentality is the opposite of what progressive politics were just a couple decades ago.

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And conservative politics used to be about privacy.

What happened?

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Anonymous wrote:And conservative politics used to be about privacy.

What happened?

When left people started ramming down unpopular and unwanted and even crackpot ideologies on people, it's hard to talk about privacy without being hypocritical.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.

Assuming that was actually the case and the teacher was deliberately doing it. It sounds like this kid is mentally fragile if they ended up getting hospitalized. A lot of these kids have mental health issues that are not properly addressed. The parents are partly to blame if they didn’t inform the school about their child’s poor mental health and the mental downward spiral they were experiencing being called the wrong name. I can’t imagine the school wouldn’t make different accommodations for the student if they were informed of this. It was also the parent’s responsibility to officially change the name on the child’s school record. I’m not sure if that was even done which may have caused confusion for the teacher.

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Wow. Someone is big mad Hannah Barnes wrote very well-researched book.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Someone is big mad Hannah Barnes wrote very well-researched book.

+1.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.

You have zero empathy for teachers who have to comply with laws and policies.

Seems like all the other teachers were able to comply with laws and policies and were able to call a child by the name they requested.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone have any newer examples than this mentally I’ll child had a difficult year last year? Or this (a fourth hand account about someone”s friend’s kid’s feelings) is worthy of this much discussion?

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.

Assuming that was actually the case and the teacher was deliberately doing it. It sounds like this kid is mentally fragile if they ended up getting hospitalized. A lot of these kids have mental health issues that are not properly addressed. The parents are partly to blame if they didn’t inform the school about their child’s poor mental health and the mental downward spiral they were experiencing being called the wrong name. I can’t imagine the school wouldn’t make different accommodations for the student if they were informed of this. It was also the parent’s responsibility to officially change the name on the child’s school record. I’m not sure if that was even done which may have caused confusion for the teacher.

Of course the teacher was deliberately doing it. They were the only teacher incapable of using the child’s requested name. And marked the child absent every day because of that.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any newer examples than this mentally I’ll child had a difficult year last year? Or this (a fourth hand account about someone”s friend’s kid’s feelings) is worthy of this much discussion?

Second hand. It’s second hand. You seem awfully verklempt about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.

Assuming that was actually the case and the teacher was deliberately doing it. It sounds like this kid is mentally fragile if they ended up getting hospitalized. A lot of these kids have mental health issues that are not properly addressed. The parents are partly to blame if they didn’t inform the school about their child’s poor mental health and the mental downward spiral they were experiencing being called the wrong name. I can’t imagine the school wouldn’t make different accommodations for the student if they were informed of this. It was also the parent’s responsibility to officially change the name on the child’s school record. I’m not sure if that was even done which may have caused confusion for the teacher.

Of course the teacher was deliberately doing it. They were the only teacher incapable of using the child’s requested name. And marked the child absent every day because of that.

Did the family follow up with the school? Was law enforcement ever involved due to the crime of truancy? Was this child held back?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any newer examples than this mentally I’ll child had a difficult year last year? Or this (a fourth hand account about someone”s friend’s kid’s feelings) is worthy of this much discussion?

Second hand. It’s second hand. You seem awfully verklempt about it.

It’s a rather serious charge these days, isn’t it? I think being verklempt is reasonable.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any newer examples than this mentally I’ll child had a difficult year last year? Or this (a fourth hand account about someone”s friend’s kid’s feelings) is worthy of this much discussion?

Second hand. It’s second hand. You seem awfully verklempt about it.

No, their relative relayed a story told to them by their friend regarding what the friend’s child said happened. And now we’re getting the story, adding a forth perspective.