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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.

Assuming that was actually the case and the teacher was deliberately doing it. It sounds like this kid is mentally fragile if they ended up getting hospitalized. A lot of these kids have mental health issues that are not properly addressed. The parents are partly to blame if they didn’t inform the school about their child’s poor mental health and the mental downward spiral they were experiencing being called the wrong name. I can’t imagine the school wouldn’t make different accommodations for the student if they were informed of this. It was also the parent’s responsibility to officially change the name on the child’s school record. I’m not sure if that was even done which may have caused confusion for the teacher.

Of course the teacher was deliberately doing it. They were the only teacher incapable of using the child’s requested name. And marked the child absent every day because of that.

Did the family follow up with the school? Was law enforcement ever involved due to the crime of truancy? Was this child held back?

OP, how did the family deal with it? Was the student allowed to progress in school despite the truancy?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any newer examples than this mentally I’ll child had a difficult year last year? Or this (a fourth hand account about someone”s friend’s kid’s feelings) is worthy of this much discussion?

Second hand. It’s second hand. You seem awfully verklempt about it.

No, their relative relayed a story told to them by their friend regarding what the friend’s child said happened. And now we’re getting the story, adding a forth perspective.

Literally everything said on DCUM about a child is either a parent or a friend of parent saying something about that child. The children aren't posting here.

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.

Assuming that was actually the case and the teacher was deliberately doing it. It sounds like this kid is mentally fragile if they ended up getting hospitalized. A lot of these kids have mental health issues that are not properly addressed. The parents are partly to blame if they didn’t inform the school about their child’s poor mental health and the mental downward spiral they were experiencing being called the wrong name. I can’t imagine the school wouldn’t make different accommodations for the student if they were informed of this. It was also the parent’s responsibility to officially change the name on the child’s school record. I’m not sure if that was even done which may have caused confusion for the teacher.

Of course the teacher was deliberately doing it. They were the only teacher incapable of using the child’s requested name. And marked the child absent every day because of that.

Did the family follow up with the school? Was law enforcement ever involved due to the crime of truancy? Was this child held back?

I’m pretty sure the story is fake. The timing is off, and I think most parent would just request to switch classes.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any newer examples than this mentally I’ll child had a difficult year last year? Or this (a fourth hand account about someone”s friend’s kid’s feelings) is worthy of this much discussion?

Second hand. It’s second hand. You seem awfully verklempt about it.

No, their relative relayed a story told to them by their friend regarding what the friend’s child said happened. And now we’re getting the story, adding a forth perspective.

Literally everything said on DCUM about a child is either a parent or a friend of parent saying something about that child. The children aren't posting here.

Doesn’t make it more credible.

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.

Assuming that was actually the case and the teacher was deliberately doing it. It sounds like this kid is mentally fragile if they ended up getting hospitalized. A lot of these kids have mental health issues that are not properly addressed. The parents are partly to blame if they didn’t inform the school about their child’s poor mental health and the mental downward spiral they were experiencing being called the wrong name. I can’t imagine the school wouldn’t make different accommodations for the student if they were informed of this. It was also the parent’s responsibility to officially change the name on the child’s school record. I’m not sure if that was even done which may have caused confusion for the teacher.

Of course the teacher was deliberately doing it. They were the only teacher incapable of using the child’s requested name. And marked the child absent every day because of that.

Did the family follow up with the school? Was law enforcement ever involved due to the crime of truancy? Was this child held back?

I’m pretty sure the story is fake. The timing is off, and I think most parent would just request to switch classes.

Pp, that’s what I thought but you never know. If OP had answers, I’d probably believe them. But too many inconsistencies.

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.

Assuming that was actually the case and the teacher was deliberately doing it. It sounds like this kid is mentally fragile if they ended up getting hospitalized. A lot of these kids have mental health issues that are not properly addressed. The parents are partly to blame if they didn’t inform the school about their child’s poor mental health and the mental downward spiral they were experiencing being called the wrong name. I can’t imagine the school wouldn’t make different accommodations for the student if they were informed of this. It was also the parent’s responsibility to officially change the name on the child’s school record. I’m not sure if that was even done which may have caused confusion for the teacher.

Of course the teacher was deliberately doing it. They were the only teacher incapable of using the child’s requested name. And marked the child absent every day because of that.

Did the family follow up with the school? Was law enforcement ever involved due to the crime of truancy? Was this child held back?

I’m pretty sure the story is fake. The timing is off, and I think most parent would just request to switch classes.

Pp, that’s what I thought but you never know. If OP had answers, I’d probably believe them. But too many inconsistencies.

Regrettably it was all true. At this point this has just become a bit of fun for people playing detective, which is doing nothing but upsetting me because I know this kid.

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.

Assuming that was actually the case and the teacher was deliberately doing it. It sounds like this kid is mentally fragile if they ended up getting hospitalized. A lot of these kids have mental health issues that are not properly addressed. The parents are partly to blame if they didn’t inform the school about their child’s poor mental health and the mental downward spiral they were experiencing being called the wrong name. I can’t imagine the school wouldn’t make different accommodations for the student if they were informed of this. It was also the parent’s responsibility to officially change the name on the child’s school record. I’m not sure if that was even done which may have caused confusion for the teacher.

Of course the teacher was deliberately doing it. They were the only teacher incapable of using the child’s requested name. And marked the child absent every day because of that.

Did the family follow up with the school? Was law enforcement ever involved due to the crime of truancy? Was this child held back?

I’m pretty sure the story is fake. The timing is off, and I think most parent would just request to switch classes.

Pp, that’s what I thought but you never know. If OP had answers, I’d probably believe them. But too many inconsistencies.

Regrettably it was all true. At this point this has just become a bit of fun for people playing detective, which is doing nothing but upsetting me because I know this kid.

Why can’t you answer questions?

Seems like most reasonable parents would move their child from that class.

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.

Assuming that was actually the case and the teacher was deliberately doing it. It sounds like this kid is mentally fragile if they ended up getting hospitalized. A lot of these kids have mental health issues that are not properly addressed. The parents are partly to blame if they didn’t inform the school about their child’s poor mental health and the mental downward spiral they were experiencing being called the wrong name. I can’t imagine the school wouldn’t make different accommodations for the student if they were informed of this. It was also the parent’s responsibility to officially change the name on the child’s school record. I’m not sure if that was even done which may have caused confusion for the teacher.

Of course the teacher was deliberately doing it. They were the only teacher incapable of using the child’s requested name. And marked the child absent every day because of that.

Did the family follow up with the school? Was law enforcement ever involved due to the crime of truancy? Was this child held back?

I’m pretty sure the story is fake. The timing is off, and I think most parent would just request to switch classes.

Pp, that’s what I thought but you never know. If OP had answers, I’d probably believe them. But too many inconsistencies.

Regrettably it was all true. At this point this has just become a bit of fun for people playing detective, which is doing nothing but upsetting me because I know this kid.

Why can’t you answer questions?

Seems like most reasonable parents would move their child from that class.

I did answer questions. I answered why this thread started in the present tense (an aha moment for people treating this situation like sport). I explained that the situation was resolved after the kid had a breakdown, which could have been due to ridicule at school or maybe the medication situation. More Nancy Drews jumped in with another aha! that was the date of the ban for the relevant drugs. Which caused me to have to post about when Texas Children's "paused" transgender care a year earlier due to actions of the governor. So you're the next up, and you want to know why the kid wasn't moved from class.

I am pretty sure after that hospitalization, he ended up with a different teacher. I cannot continue to interrogate my MIL about how the timing unfolded and couldn't something have been done sooner, whether this was an elective that could be dropped, etc. I just do not know.

What everyone does know is that there are situations in which kids are ridiculed and abused in school that are not solved quickly enough to protect a child. "Why wasn't something done sooner" is so common as to be a cliche.

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.

Assuming that was actually the case and the teacher was deliberately doing it. It sounds like this kid is mentally fragile if they ended up getting hospitalized. A lot of these kids have mental health issues that are not properly addressed. The parents are partly to blame if they didn’t inform the school about their child’s poor mental health and the mental downward spiral they were experiencing being called the wrong name. I can’t imagine the school wouldn’t make different accommodations for the student if they were informed of this. It was also the parent’s responsibility to officially change the name on the child’s school record. I’m not sure if that was even done which may have caused confusion for the teacher.

Of course the teacher was deliberately doing it. They were the only teacher incapable of using the child’s requested name. And marked the child absent every day because of that.

Did the family follow up with the school? Was law enforcement ever involved due to the crime of truancy? Was this child held back?

I’m pretty sure the story is fake. The timing is off, and I think most parent would just request to switch classes.

Pp, that’s what I thought but you never know. If OP had answers, I’d probably believe them. But too many inconsistencies.

Regrettably it was all true. At this point this has just become a bit of fun for people playing detective, which is doing nothing but upsetting me because I know this kid.

Well you don’t know the kid this supposedly happened to since he lives in Texas. You are hearing the story from someone else. It is very possible they don’t know all the facts or what really happened. How many times have you heard a story only later to find out it didn’t happen the way you thought it did or information was not known that would have changed your impression of it? It is essentially gossip which we all know is often not credible.

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.

Assuming that was actually the case and the teacher was deliberately doing it. It sounds like this kid is mentally fragile if they ended up getting hospitalized. A lot of these kids have mental health issues that are not properly addressed. The parents are partly to blame if they didn’t inform the school about their child’s poor mental health and the mental downward spiral they were experiencing being called the wrong name. I can’t imagine the school wouldn’t make different accommodations for the student if they were informed of this. It was also the parent’s responsibility to officially change the name on the child’s school record. I’m not sure if that was even done which may have caused confusion for the teacher.

Of course the teacher was deliberately doing it. They were the only teacher incapable of using the child’s requested name. And marked the child absent every day because of that.

Did the family follow up with the school? Was law enforcement ever involved due to the crime of truancy? Was this child held back?

I’m pretty sure the story is fake. The timing is off, and I think most parent would just request to switch classes.

Pp, that’s what I thought but you never know. If OP had answers, I’d probably believe them. But too many inconsistencies.

Regrettably it was all true. At this point this has just become a bit of fun for people playing detective, which is doing nothing but upsetting me because I know this kid.

Well you don’t know the kid this supposedly happened to since he lives in Texas. You are hearing the story from someone else. It is very possible they don’t know all the facts or what really happened. How many times have you heard a story only later to find out it didn’t happen the way you thought it did or information was not known that would have changed your impression of it? It is essentially gossip which we all know is often not credible.

Can you not read? I just said I know him. I am the OP. This thread has descended into an interrogation of the sequence of events and questioning whether the family was negligent in fixing the problem, with a side discussion on whether or not hormone therapy should have been given to minors in the first place. Precious little time has been spent on whether the common decency of using a child's preferred name is something we should be able to count on, regardless of what state we live in or what religion we practice.

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.

Assuming that was actually the case and the teacher was deliberately doing it. It sounds like this kid is mentally fragile if they ended up getting hospitalized. A lot of these kids have mental health issues that are not properly addressed. The parents are partly to blame if they didn’t inform the school about their child’s poor mental health and the mental downward spiral they were experiencing being called the wrong name. I can’t imagine the school wouldn’t make different accommodations for the student if they were informed of this. It was also the parent’s responsibility to officially change the name on the child’s school record. I’m not sure if that was even done which may have caused confusion for the teacher.

Of course the teacher was deliberately doing it. They were the only teacher incapable of using the child’s requested name. And marked the child absent every day because of that.

Did the family follow up with the school? Was law enforcement ever involved due to the crime of truancy? Was this child held back?

I’m pretty sure the story is fake. The timing is off, and I think most parent would just request to switch classes.

Pp, that’s what I thought but you never know. If OP had answers, I’d probably believe them. But too many inconsistencies.

Regrettably it was all true. At this point this has just become a bit of fun for people playing detective, which is doing nothing but upsetting me because I know this kid.

Well you don’t know the kid this supposedly happened to since he lives in Texas. You are hearing the story from someone else. It is very possible they don’t know all the facts or what really happened. How many times have you heard a story only later to find out it didn’t happen the way you thought it did or information was not known that would have changed your impression of it? It is essentially gossip which we all know is often not credible.

Can you not read? I just said I know him. I am the OP. This thread has descended into an interrogation of the sequence of events and questioning whether the family was negligent in fixing the problem, with a side discussion on whether or not hormone therapy should have been given to minors in the first place. Precious little time has been spent on whether the common decency of using a child's preferred name is something we should be able to count on, regardless of what state we live in or what religion we practice.

But you posted in Politics. I’m genuinely confused about what you wanted. Of course a thread in Politics is going to focus on the larger picture: the science behind youth medical transition, the challenges for teachers writ large, etc.

People don’t believe you because if you just wanted agreement on the bolded, this should have been in the Teen thread, not Politics. And I say this as someone who thinks the proper name should have been used. I do not understand why you would post a story about a kid you don’t know, or at least don’t know well since you didn’t know the rest of the story until you were told, as fodder for political discussion and then get upset when people poke at the story or use it for the basis for a wider political discussion. It’s strange behavior on your part, and that’s why people don’t believe you.

Given what you wrote, I also don’t understand why you are continuing in this thread, and why you haven’t asked Jeff to lock it. It’s either in the wrong forum or it’s not accomplishing your purpose because of how it was originally framed, so why continue?

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.

Assuming that was actually the case and the teacher was deliberately doing it. It sounds like this kid is mentally fragile if they ended up getting hospitalized. A lot of these kids have mental health issues that are not properly addressed. The parents are partly to blame if they didn’t inform the school about their child’s poor mental health and the mental downward spiral they were experiencing being called the wrong name. I can’t imagine the school wouldn’t make different accommodations for the student if they were informed of this. It was also the parent’s responsibility to officially change the name on the child’s school record. I’m not sure if that was even done which may have caused confusion for the teacher.

Of course the teacher was deliberately doing it. They were the only teacher incapable of using the child’s requested name. And marked the child absent every day because of that.

Did the family follow up with the school? Was law enforcement ever involved due to the crime of truancy? Was this child held back?

I’m pretty sure the story is fake. The timing is off, and I think most parent would just request to switch classes.

Pp, that’s what I thought but you never know. If OP had answers, I’d probably believe them. But too many inconsistencies.

Regrettably it was all true. At this point this has just become a bit of fun for people playing detective, which is doing nothing but upsetting me because I know this kid.

Well you don’t know the kid this supposedly happened to since he lives in Texas. You are hearing the story from someone else. It is very possible they don’t know all the facts or what really happened. How many times have you heard a story only later to find out it didn’t happen the way you thought it did or information was not known that would have changed your impression of it? It is essentially gossip which we all know is often not credible.

Can you not read? I just said I know him. I am the OP. This thread has descended into an interrogation of the sequence of events and questioning whether the family was negligent in fixing the problem, with a side discussion on whether or not hormone therapy should have been given to minors in the first place. Precious little time has been spent on whether the common decency of using a child's preferred name is something we should be able to count on, regardless of what state we live in or what religion we practice.

But you posted in Politics. I’m genuinely confused about what you wanted. Of course a thread in Politics is going to focus on the larger picture: the science behind youth medical transition, the challenges for teachers writ large, etc.

People don’t believe you because if you just wanted agreement on the bolded, this should have been in the Teen thread, not Politics. And I say this as someone who thinks the proper name should have been used. I do not understand why you would post a story about a kid you don’t know, or at least don’t know well since you didn’t know the rest of the story until you were told, as fodder for political discussion and then get upset when people poke at the story or use it for the basis for a wider political discussion. It’s strange behavior on your part, and that’s why people don’t believe you.

Given what you wrote, I also don’t understand why you are continuing in this thread, and why you haven’t asked Jeff to lock it. It’s either in the wrong forum or it’s not accomplishing your purpose because of how it was originally framed, so why continue?

The nexus of common decency and politics should be obvious to anyone. It is the government that sets policies that result in how children are treated in schools. Every Mom for Liberty realizes this and you do too.

This would never have happened in FFX or ARL. Whether it will in the future depends on how Youngkin's recent policy on transgender students shakes out. Will school districts be required to tolerate behavior like this teacher displayed or will it violate a teacher's first amendment rights to expect it?

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.

Assuming that was actually the case and the teacher was deliberately doing it. It sounds like this kid is mentally fragile if they ended up getting hospitalized. A lot of these kids have mental health issues that are not properly addressed. The parents are partly to blame if they didn’t inform the school about their child’s poor mental health and the mental downward spiral they were experiencing being called the wrong name. I can’t imagine the school wouldn’t make different accommodations for the student if they were informed of this. It was also the parent’s responsibility to officially change the name on the child’s school record. I’m not sure if that was even done which may have caused confusion for the teacher.

Of course the teacher was deliberately doing it. They were the only teacher incapable of using the child’s requested name. And marked the child absent every day because of that.

Did the family follow up with the school? Was law enforcement ever involved due to the crime of truancy? Was this child held back?

I’m pretty sure the story is fake. The timing is off, and I think most parent would just request to switch classes.

Pp, that’s what I thought but you never know. If OP had answers, I’d probably believe them. But too many inconsistencies.

Regrettably it was all true. At this point this has just become a bit of fun for people playing detective, which is doing nothing but upsetting me because I know this kid.

Well you don’t know the kid this supposedly happened to since he lives in Texas. You are hearing the story from someone else. It is very possible they don’t know all the facts or what really happened. How many times have you heard a story only later to find out it didn’t happen the way you thought it did or information was not known that would have changed your impression of it? It is essentially gossip which we all know is often not credible.

Can you not read? I just said I know him. I am the OP. This thread has descended into an interrogation of the sequence of events and questioning whether the family was negligent in fixing the problem, with a side discussion on whether or not hormone therapy should have been given to minors in the first place. Precious little time has been spent on whether the common decency of using a child's preferred name is something we should be able to count on, regardless of what state we live in or what religion we practice.

But you posted in Politics. I’m genuinely confused about what you wanted. Of course a thread in Politics is going to focus on the larger picture: the science behind youth medical transition, the challenges for teachers writ large, etc.

People don’t believe you because if you just wanted agreement on the bolded, this should have been in the Teen thread, not Politics. And I say this as someone who thinks the proper name should have been used. I do not understand why you would post a story about a kid you don’t know, or at least don’t know well since you didn’t know the rest of the story until you were told, as fodder for political discussion and then get upset when people poke at the story or use it for the basis for a wider political discussion. It’s strange behavior on your part, and that’s why people don’t believe you.

Given what you wrote, I also don’t understand why you are continuing in this thread, and why you haven’t asked Jeff to lock it. It’s either in the wrong forum or it’s not accomplishing your purpose because of how it was originally framed, so why continue?

The nexus of common decency and politics should be obvious to anyone. It is the government that sets policies that result in how children are treated in schools. Every Mom for Liberty realizes this and you do too.

This would never have happened in FFX or ARL. Whether it will in the future depends on how Youngkin's recent policy on transgender students shakes out. Will school districts be required to tolerate behavior like this teacher displayed or will it violate a teacher's first amendment rights to expect it?

So, you are openly trolling on the back of this kid you don’t know well enough to have been told the story in the first place.

Okay, I’m done with you. I’d assumed positive intent. I see that was a mistake.

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.

Assuming that was actually the case and the teacher was deliberately doing it. It sounds like this kid is mentally fragile if they ended up getting hospitalized. A lot of these kids have mental health issues that are not properly addressed. The parents are partly to blame if they didn’t inform the school about their child’s poor mental health and the mental downward spiral they were experiencing being called the wrong name. I can’t imagine the school wouldn’t make different accommodations for the student if they were informed of this. It was also the parent’s responsibility to officially change the name on the child’s school record. I’m not sure if that was even done which may have caused confusion for the teacher.

Of course the teacher was deliberately doing it. They were the only teacher incapable of using the child’s requested name. And marked the child absent every day because of that.

Did the family follow up with the school? Was law enforcement ever involved due to the crime of truancy? Was this child held back?

I’m pretty sure the story is fake. The timing is off, and I think most parent would just request to switch classes.

Pp, that’s what I thought but you never know. If OP had answers, I’d probably believe them. But too many inconsistencies.

Regrettably it was all true. At this point this has just become a bit of fun for people playing detective, which is doing nothing but upsetting me because I know this kid.

Well you don’t know the kid this supposedly happened to since he lives in Texas. You are hearing the story from someone else. It is very possible they don’t know all the facts or what really happened. How many times have you heard a story only later to find out it didn’t happen the way you thought it did or information was not known that would have changed your impression of it? It is essentially gossip which we all know is often not credible.

Can you not read? I just said I know him. I am the OP. This thread has descended into an interrogation of the sequence of events and questioning whether the family was negligent in fixing the problem, with a side discussion on whether or not hormone therapy should have been given to minors in the first place. Precious little time has been spent on whether the common decency of using a child's preferred name is something we should be able to count on, regardless of what state we live in or what religion we practice.

But you posted in Politics. I’m genuinely confused about what you wanted. Of course a thread in Politics is going to focus on the larger picture: the science behind youth medical transition, the challenges for teachers writ large, etc.

People don’t believe you because if you just wanted agreement on the bolded, this should have been in the Teen thread, not Politics. And I say this as someone who thinks the proper name should have been used. I do not understand why you would post a story about a kid you don’t know, or at least don’t know well since you didn’t know the rest of the story until you were told, as fodder for political discussion and then get upset when people poke at the story or use it for the basis for a wider political discussion. It’s strange behavior on your part, and that’s why people don’t believe you.

Given what you wrote, I also don’t understand why you are continuing in this thread, and why you haven’t asked Jeff to lock it. It’s either in the wrong forum or it’s not accomplishing your purpose because of how it was originally framed, so why continue?

The nexus of common decency and politics should be obvious to anyone. It is the government that sets policies that result in how children are treated in schools. Every Mom for Liberty realizes this and you do too.

This would never have happened in FFX or ARL. Whether it will in the future depends on how Youngkin's recent policy on transgender students shakes out. Will school districts be required to tolerate behavior like this teacher displayed or will it violate a teacher's first amendment rights to expect it?

So, you are openly trolling on the back of this kid you don’t know well enough to have been told the story in the first place.

Okay, I’m done with you. I’d assumed positive intent. I see that was a mistake.

How is THAT trolling?

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Anonymous wrote:This began as a thread about a high school student who wanted to be called by their chosen first name. It has descended into a discussion about a lot of other issues unrelated to the classroom.

But can't we all at least agree that a child can be accorded the respect of being called by their preferred name in a classroom setting? It's a small thing.

I generally agree, but I also think teachers are put in an impossible position these days. As described it sounds bad, but I have a great deal of sympathy for teachers trying to navigate all this. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong.

What I don’t think is that the child ended up in mental health crisis only because the teacher wouldn’t use the preferred name. Or, if that was the case, the child’s mental health was so fragile the child should not have been in school to begin with.

But yes, generally I agree with you. And for what it’s worth, I think the science around providing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to children is not strong.

Teachers will always get it wrong when they deliberately decide to ignore a child’s requested name.

Assuming that was actually the case and the teacher was deliberately doing it. It sounds like this kid is mentally fragile if they ended up getting hospitalized. A lot of these kids have mental health issues that are not properly addressed. The parents are partly to blame if they didn’t inform the school about their child’s poor mental health and the mental downward spiral they were experiencing being called the wrong name. I can’t imagine the school wouldn’t make different accommodations for the student if they were informed of this. It was also the parent’s responsibility to officially change the name on the child’s school record. I’m not sure if that was even done which may have caused confusion for the teacher.

Of course the teacher was deliberately doing it. They were the only teacher incapable of using the child’s requested name. And marked the child absent every day because of that.

Did the family follow up with the school? Was law enforcement ever involved due to the crime of truancy? Was this child held back?

I’m pretty sure the story is fake. The timing is off, and I think most parent would just request to switch classes.

Pp, that’s what I thought but you never know. If OP had answers, I’d probably believe them. But too many inconsistencies.

Regrettably it was all true. At this point this has just become a bit of fun for people playing detective, which is doing nothing but upsetting me because I know this kid.

Well you don’t know the kid this supposedly happened to since he lives in Texas. You are hearing the story from someone else. It is very possible they don’t know all the facts or what really happened. How many times have you heard a story only later to find out it didn’t happen the way you thought it did or information was not known that would have changed your impression of it? It is essentially gossip which we all know is often not credible.

Can you not read? I just said I know him. I am the OP. This thread has descended into an interrogation of the sequence of events and questioning whether the family was negligent in fixing the problem, with a side discussion on whether or not hormone therapy should have been given to minors in the first place. Precious little time has been spent on whether the common decency of using a child's preferred name is something we should be able to count on, regardless of what state we live in or what religion we practice.

But you posted in Politics. I’m genuinely confused about what you wanted. Of course a thread in Politics is going to focus on the larger picture: the science behind youth medical transition, the challenges for teachers writ large, etc.

People don’t believe you because if you just wanted agreement on the bolded, this should have been in the Teen thread, not Politics. And I say this as someone who thinks the proper name should have been used. I do not understand why you would post a story about a kid you don’t know, or at least don’t know well since you didn’t know the rest of the story until you were told, as fodder for political discussion and then get upset when people poke at the story or use it for the basis for a wider political discussion. It’s strange behavior on your part, and that’s why people don’t believe you.

Given what you wrote, I also don’t understand why you are continuing in this thread, and why you haven’t asked Jeff to lock it. It’s either in the wrong forum or it’s not accomplishing your purpose because of how it was originally framed, so why continue?

Hi PP the treatment of the kid by teachers IS part of the larger picture.

Methinks you protest too much. You seem overly involved in caring about this thread.

DP.