What’s next to AMP 7?

[Anonymous]

To the angry poster,

Years ago, I was the parent who combed through DCUM discussions to find out more about the math pathway (and other things my kids needed). I did not throw a tantrum over why parents were not specific. I did not expect anyone to help me. I did my research with what the internet offered. I did not pick silly fights with others online.

You are acting angrily and childishly. You simultaneously claim that we're lying and hiding information from you. You can't have it both ways!

If you choose not to believe what posters tell you, fine. If you choose to obsess and fixate on why the school system isn't 100% transparent, you're free to do so. There is a limit to how much we can help you. The rest of us have better things to do, and none of us work for this public school system.

My experience is that I had to request that my child test into advanced classes (math and language). For advanced music, they accepted my child without a test. NOTHING was advertised or told to me or otherwise stated or presented. I had to ask out of the blue.

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Anonymous wrote:Noticing that none of these phony-baloneys claiming whole-group 6th-grade Algebra are backong that up with the school name...

Haven't read the entire thread, but there is no "whole-group" registration for 5th graders into 6th grade Algebra. It's always on a case-by-case basis, and all the cases I've heard of, including for my own kid, were parent requested.

At your school maybe. We were given a registration form that all the 5th graders got sent home and the 5th grade teacher had to sign off on it. It had Algebra as an option. We choose it, teacher signed off, done. It was a non-issue.

Ok if this is true NAME THE SCHOOL. Why do people keep claiming things like this but then go silent when asked which school.

I am the BCC cluster poster from upthread. I wrote that there was no such registration form to my knowledge. At our middle school, the staff stays silent until the parent asks, because there is a clear directive from above to stifle such acceleration.

I am happy that at least one other school isn't regressive! And yes, it would be nice to know which one, but I understand that the poster might not want to share, because that would definitely make it easier to identify their child, given they must only be part of a tiny cohort.

So you are OK saying that a kid attends either Silver Creek or Westland...but not OK saying which of these might be accommodating parent requests...because some DCUM troll is going to go to the school, find out who is a sixth grader in a seventh grade Algebra class and then do something to harm the kid?

Wouldn't anyone that whacko have a much easier time causing trouble some other way instead of doing that? If the concern is about some MCPS admin, again, they already get the data, and they aren't going to go marching in to a school and tell a principal to move some advanced kid back out of an advanced class that the principal already greenlighted.

Getting the specifics is about supporting advocacy for others to create more and more equitable opportunities. Full stop.

You need to stop worrying about equity. Those two schools have far more for students than schools down the road, and that is part of the issue. However, we just don't complain about what are schools don't have and seek resources outside MCPS as we KNOW MCPS isn't going to 100% provide for our kids needs. If you feel there should be 6th grade Algebra in every school, you are welcome to advocate for it through the BOE and other avenues.

And thanks for making me feel welcome to advocate, as failing to provide a school name was doing just the opposite...

The schools have been provided but it's not relevant as you aren't going to move and put your child in those schools. They are the schools with lower rankings generally and don't have much else to offer. You CAN look at old threads or the MCCPTA spreadsheet and it has it all. Assuming you are a strong advocate you know this already but you'd rather bully others into doing it for you. It doesn't matter which schools. If you'd like it at your school you need to advocate for it.

"The schools have been provided", "you CAN look at old threads or the MCCPTA spreadsheet" -- links?

"You aren't going to move and put your child in those schools", "they are the schools with lower rankings generally" -- irrelevant to advocacy for all.

All deflections. No substance.

If it's important to you to have the list, you can put the effort into it to get the list. Problem solved.

[Anonymous]

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To the angry poster,

Years ago, I was the parent who combed through DCUM discussions to find out more about the math pathway (and other things my kids needed). I did not throw a tantrum over why parents were not specific. I did not expect anyone to help me. I did my research with what the internet offered. I did not pick silly fights with others online.

You are acting angrily and childishly. You simultaneously claim that we're lying and hiding information from you. You can't have it both ways!

If you choose not to believe what posters tell you, fine. If you choose to obsess and fixate on why the school system isn't 100% transparent, you're free to do so. There is a limit to how much we can help you. The rest of us have better things to do, and none of us work for this public school system.

My experience is that I had to request that my child test into advanced classes (math and language). For advanced music, they accepted my child without a test. NOTHING was advertised or told to me or otherwise stated or presented. I had to ask out of the blue.

Perhaps passionate about ensuring the system provides equivalent opportunities for all. I'd own that, but not your aspersions.

I'll happily point out inconsistencies. Like your writing that I claim you are both lying and hiding something. It's an "or" -- those posting about more facilitated 6th-grade Algebra at an unnamed school (or schools) have the appearance, on the whole, of either lying or gloating while hoarding opportunity.

If that opportunity is available, it should be equivalently available for all, with equivalent ease of access and equivalent criteria for consideration.

I agree that you have better things to do than to continue to make the claim without offering the specifics.

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Anonymous wrote:Noticing that none of these phony-baloneys claiming whole-group 6th-grade Algebra are backong that up with the school name...

Haven't read the entire thread, but there is no "whole-group" registration for 5th graders into 6th grade Algebra. It's always on a case-by-case basis, and all the cases I've heard of, including for my own kid, were parent requested.

At your school maybe. We were given a registration form that all the 5th graders got sent home and the 5th grade teacher had to sign off on it. It had Algebra as an option. We choose it, teacher signed off, done. It was a non-issue.

Ok if this is true NAME THE SCHOOL. Why do people keep claiming things like this but then go silent when asked which school.

I am the BCC cluster poster from upthread. I wrote that there was no such registration form to my knowledge. At our middle school, the staff stays silent until the parent asks, because there is a clear directive from above to stifle such acceleration.

I am happy that at least one other school isn't regressive! And yes, it would be nice to know which one, but I understand that the poster might not want to share, because that would definitely make it easier to identify their child, given they must only be part of a tiny cohort.

So you are OK saying that a kid attends either Silver Creek or Westland...but not OK saying which of these might be accommodating parent requests...because some DCUM troll is going to go to the school, find out who is a sixth grader in a seventh grade Algebra class and then do something to harm the kid?

Wouldn't anyone that whacko have a much easier time causing trouble some other way instead of doing that? If the concern is about some MCPS admin, again, they already get the data, and they aren't going to go marching in to a school and tell a principal to move some advanced kid back out of an advanced class that the principal already greenlighted.

Getting the specifics is about supporting advocacy for others to create more and more equitable opportunities. Full stop.

You need to stop worrying about equity. Those two schools have far more for students than schools down the road, and that is part of the issue. However, we just don't complain about what are schools don't have and seek resources outside MCPS as we KNOW MCPS isn't going to 100% provide for our kids needs. If you feel there should be 6th grade Algebra in every school, you are welcome to advocate for it through the BOE and other avenues.

And thanks for making me feel welcome to advocate, as failing to provide a school name was doing just the opposite...

The schools have been provided but it's not relevant as you aren't going to move and put your child in those schools. They are the schools with lower rankings generally and don't have much else to offer. You CAN look at old threads or the MCCPTA spreadsheet and it has it all. Assuming you are a strong advocate you know this already but you'd rather bully others into doing it for you. It doesn't matter which schools. If you'd like it at your school you need to advocate for it.

"The schools have been provided", "you CAN look at old threads or the MCCPTA spreadsheet" -- links?

"You aren't going to move and put your child in those schools", "they are the schools with lower rankings generally" -- irrelevant to advocacy for all.

All deflections. No substance.

If it's important to you to have the list, you can put the effort into it to get the list. Problem solved.

If it's important for you to continue to paint this as that simple, you can provide the list (or just stop posting).

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Anonymous wrote:I'm incredibly impressed by how much time people spent claiming school names were already somewhere else (while conveniently leaving out the link) instead of just naming the school, which would take a fraction of the time.

Claiming algebra in 6th exists, then not sharing the school names when asked. Claiming the school names were shared in other threads, then not linking the threads in question. I'm starting to notice a pattern here.

Of course it exists. The kids skip aim and go directly onto algebra with the 7th graders. It’s principal specific. Each school offers different things. We did not get much of anything else so this was their way of trying to keep our kids at the school.

Aaaaand, yet again, we have a poster taking the time to write 40+ words not to identify a school & method (which might take half or a quarter of the effort to write), but to claim the practice exists, in any case (with no evidence offered).

1. No one owes you anything.
2. There are so few kids doing this that parents feel it's rather self-identifying to name their schools.
3. You've been told to ask the math coordinator at your school already, if you think your child would be a good candidate, because that's how it's done.
4. If you're insinuating that Algebra in 6th doesn't exist, then be my guest. It's not going to hurt anyone except, potentially, your own child.

The PP claiming that the registration option is offered to everyone on a form. Naming the school, if it exists, would not identify anyone if this form was allegedly distributed to all rising sixth graders.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm incredibly impressed by how much time people spent claiming school names were already somewhere else (while conveniently leaving out the link) instead of just naming the school, which would take a fraction of the time.

Claiming algebra in 6th exists, then not sharing the school names when asked. Claiming the school names were shared in other threads, then not linking the threads in question. I'm starting to notice a pattern here.

Of course it exists. The kids skip aim and go directly onto algebra with the 7th graders. It’s principal specific. Each school offers different things. We did not get much of anything else so this was their way of trying to keep our kids at the school.

Aaaaand, yet again, we have a poster taking the time to write 40+ words not to identify a school & method (which might take half or a quarter of the effort to write), but to claim the practice exists, in any case (with no evidence offered).

1. No one owes you anything.
2. There are so few kids doing this that parents feel it's rather self-identifying to name their schools.
3. You've been told to ask the math coordinator at your school already, if you think your child would be a good candidate, because that's how it's done.
4. If you're insinuating that Algebra in 6th doesn't exist, then be my guest. It's not going to hurt anyone except, potentially, your own child.

The PP claiming that the registration option is offered to everyone on a form. Naming the school, if it exists, would not identify anyone if this form was allegedly distributed to all rising sixth graders.

Given 15-20 kids only take it a year/qualify at that particular school, yes, it could and why does it matter. Maybe they handled it differently this year. Maybe because people like you tantrum they stopped offering it to new students. Either way, you can advocate without knowing where our kids go to school. It's not a W school and it's one you'd never send your kids to. They were listed in other threads.

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Anonymous wrote:Noticing that none of these phony-baloneys claiming whole-group 6th-grade Algebra are backong that up with the school name...

Haven't read the entire thread, but there is no "whole-group" registration for 5th graders into 6th grade Algebra. It's always on a case-by-case basis, and all the cases I've heard of, including for my own kid, were parent requested.

At your school maybe. We were given a registration form that all the 5th graders got sent home and the 5th grade teacher had to sign off on it. It had Algebra as an option. We choose it, teacher signed off, done. It was a non-issue.

Ok if this is true NAME THE SCHOOL. Why do people keep claiming things like this but then go silent when asked which school.

I am the BCC cluster poster from upthread. I wrote that there was no such registration form to my knowledge. At our middle school, the staff stays silent until the parent asks, because there is a clear directive from above to stifle such acceleration.

I am happy that at least one other school isn't regressive! And yes, it would be nice to know which one, but I understand that the poster might not want to share, because that would definitely make it easier to identify their child, given they must only be part of a tiny cohort.

So you are OK saying that a kid attends either Silver Creek or Westland...but not OK saying which of these might be accommodating parent requests...because some DCUM troll is going to go to the school, find out who is a sixth grader in a seventh grade Algebra class and then do something to harm the kid?

Wouldn't anyone that whacko have a much easier time causing trouble some other way instead of doing that? If the concern is about some MCPS admin, again, they already get the data, and they aren't going to go marching in to a school and tell a principal to move some advanced kid back out of an advanced class that the principal already greenlighted.

Getting the specifics is about supporting advocacy for others to create more and more equitable opportunities. Full stop.

You need to stop worrying about equity. Those two schools have far more for students than schools down the road, and that is part of the issue. However, we just don't complain about what are schools don't have and seek resources outside MCPS as we KNOW MCPS isn't going to 100% provide for our kids needs. If you feel there should be 6th grade Algebra in every school, you are welcome to advocate for it through the BOE and other avenues.

And thanks for making me feel welcome to advocate, as failing to provide a school name was doing just the opposite...

The schools have been provided but it's not relevant as you aren't going to move and put your child in those schools. They are the schools with lower rankings generally and don't have much else to offer. You CAN look at old threads or the MCCPTA spreadsheet and it has it all. Assuming you are a strong advocate you know this already but you'd rather bully others into doing it for you. It doesn't matter which schools. If you'd like it at your school you need to advocate for it.

"The schools have been provided", "you CAN look at old threads or the MCCPTA spreadsheet" -- links?

"You aren't going to move and put your child in those schools", "they are the schools with lower rankings generally" -- irrelevant to advocacy for all.

All deflections. No substance.

If it's important to you to have the list, you can put the effort into it to get the list. Problem solved.

If it's important for you to continue to paint this as that simple, you can provide the list (or just stop posting).

My kids did Algebra in 6th so it's not an issue for me. Its an issue for you so you can figure it out via old threads if you NEED to know the names of the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Noticing that none of these phony-baloneys claiming whole-group 6th-grade Algebra are backong that up with the school name...

Haven't read the entire thread, but there is no "whole-group" registration for 5th graders into 6th grade Algebra. It's always on a case-by-case basis, and all the cases I've heard of, including for my own kid, were parent requested.

At your school maybe. We were given a registration form that all the 5th graders got sent home and the 5th grade teacher had to sign off on it. It had Algebra as an option. We choose it, teacher signed off, done. It was a non-issue.

Ok if this is true NAME THE SCHOOL. Why do people keep claiming things like this but then go silent when asked which school.

I am the BCC cluster poster from upthread. I wrote that there was no such registration form to my knowledge. At our middle school, the staff stays silent until the parent asks, because there is a clear directive from above to stifle such acceleration.

I am happy that at least one other school isn't regressive! And yes, it would be nice to know which one, but I understand that the poster might not want to share, because that would definitely make it easier to identify their child, given they must only be part of a tiny cohort.

So you are OK saying that a kid attends either Silver Creek or Westland...but not OK saying which of these might be accommodating parent requests...because some DCUM troll is going to go to the school, find out who is a sixth grader in a seventh grade Algebra class and then do something to harm the kid?

Wouldn't anyone that whacko have a much easier time causing trouble some other way instead of doing that? If the concern is about some MCPS admin, again, they already get the data, and they aren't going to go marching in to a school and tell a principal to move some advanced kid back out of an advanced class that the principal already greenlighted.

Getting the specifics is about supporting advocacy for others to create more and more equitable opportunities. Full stop.

You need to stop worrying about equity. Those two schools have far more for students than schools down the road, and that is part of the issue. However, we just don't complain about what are schools don't have and seek resources outside MCPS as we KNOW MCPS isn't going to 100% provide for our kids needs. If you feel there should be 6th grade Algebra in every school, you are welcome to advocate for it through the BOE and other avenues.

And thanks for making me feel welcome to advocate, as failing to provide a school name was doing just the opposite...

The schools have been provided but it's not relevant as you aren't going to move and put your child in those schools. They are the schools with lower rankings generally and don't have much else to offer. You CAN look at old threads or the MCCPTA spreadsheet and it has it all. Assuming you are a strong advocate you know this already but you'd rather bully others into doing it for you. It doesn't matter which schools. If you'd like it at your school you need to advocate for it.

DP, but you’re ridiculous. If she walks in and says “I am told 6th graders at Westland, Rosa Parks, Hoover, Loiderman and Pyle are allowing 6th graders to sign up for/test into Algebra 1” it’s a stronger argument than “Some lady on dcum who keeps insisting we’d never move to her low rated school says her kid took Algebra 1 in 6th grade but I don’t know the name of the school.” Btw, I asked central a few years ago how many students take this unpublished pathway. It’s about 90 kids across the county (out of somewhere between 8,000 and 10,000 6th graders), majority of which take AIM in 5th at Cold Spring ES, plus kids moving from other (often international) jurisdictions, plus small handfuls of kids with parent advocates who find themselves with a school that doesn’t automatically say no.