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Anonymous wrote:Noticing that none of these phony-baloneys claiming whole-group 6th-grade Algebra are backong that up with the school name...

Haven't read the entire thread, but there is no "whole-group" registration for 5th graders into 6th grade Algebra. It's always on a case-by-case basis, and all the cases I've heard of, including for my own kid, were parent requested.

At your school maybe. We were given a registration form that all the 5th graders got sent home and the 5th grade teacher had to sign off on it. It had Algebra as an option. We choose it, teacher signed off, done. It was a non-issue.

Ok if this is true NAME THE SCHOOL. Why do people keep claiming things like this but then go silent when asked which school.

I am the BCC cluster poster from upthread. I wrote that there was no such registration form to my knowledge. At our middle school, the staff stays silent until the parent asks, because there is a clear directive from above to stifle such acceleration.

I am happy that at least one other school isn't regressive! And yes, it would be nice to know which one, but I understand that the poster might not want to share, because that would definitely make it easier to identify their child, given they must only be part of a tiny cohort.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm incredibly impressed by how much time people spent claiming school names were already somewhere else (while conveniently leaving out the link) instead of just naming the school, which would take a fraction of the time.

Claiming algebra in 6th exists, then not sharing the school names when asked. Claiming the school names were shared in other threads, then not linking the threads in question. I'm starting to notice a pattern here.

Of course it exists. The kids skip aim and go directly onto algebra with the 7th graders. It’s principal specific. Each school offers different things. We did not get much of anything else so this was their way of trying to keep our kids at the school.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm incredibly impressed by how much time people spent claiming school names were already somewhere else (while conveniently leaving out the link) instead of just naming the school, which would take a fraction of the time.

Claiming algebra in 6th exists, then not sharing the school names when asked. Claiming the school names were shared in other threads, then not linking the threads in question. I'm starting to notice a pattern here.

Of course it exists. The kids skip aim and go directly onto algebra with the 7th graders. It’s principal specific. Each school offers different things. We did not get much of anything else so this was their way of trying to keep our kids at the school.

Aaaaand, yet again, we have a poster taking the time to write 40+ words not to identify a school & method (which might take half or a quarter of the effort to write), but to claim the practice exists, in any case (with no evidence offered).

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Anonymous wrote:I'm incredibly impressed by how much time people spent claiming school names were already somewhere else (while conveniently leaving out the link) instead of just naming the school, which would take a fraction of the time.

Claiming algebra in 6th exists, then not sharing the school names when asked. Claiming the school names were shared in other threads, then not linking the threads in question. I'm starting to notice a pattern here.

Of course it exists. The kids skip aim and go directly onto algebra with the 7th graders. It’s principal specific. Each school offers different things. We did not get much of anything else so this was their way of trying to keep our kids at the school.

Aaaaand, yet again, we have a poster taking the time to write 40+ words not to identify a school & method (which might take half or a quarter of the effort to write), but to claim the practice exists, in any case (with no evidence offered).

1. No one owes you anything.
2. There are so few kids doing this that parents feel it's rather self-identifying to name their schools.
3. You've been told to ask the math coordinator at your school already, if you think your child would be a good candidate, because that's how it's done.
4. If you're insinuating that Algebra in 6th doesn't exist, then be my guest. It's not going to hurt anyone except, potentially, your own child.

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Anonymous wrote:Noticing that none of these phony-baloneys claiming whole-group 6th-grade Algebra are backong that up with the school name...

Haven't read the entire thread, but there is no "whole-group" registration for 5th graders into 6th grade Algebra. It's always on a case-by-case basis, and all the cases I've heard of, including for my own kid, were parent requested.

At your school maybe. We were given a registration form that all the 5th graders got sent home and the 5th grade teacher had to sign off on it. It had Algebra as an option. We choose it, teacher signed off, done. It was a non-issue.

Ok if this is true NAME THE SCHOOL. Why do people keep claiming things like this but then go silent when asked which school.

I am the BCC cluster poster from upthread. I wrote that there was no such registration form to my knowledge. At our middle school, the staff stays silent until the parent asks, because there is a clear directive from above to stifle such acceleration.

I am happy that at least one other school isn't regressive! And yes, it would be nice to know which one, but I understand that the poster might not want to share, because that would definitely make it easier to identify their child, given they must only be part of a tiny cohort.

So you are OK saying that a kid attends either Silver Creek or Westland...but not OK saying which of these might be accommodating parent requests...because some DCUM troll is going to go to the school, find out who is a sixth grader in a seventh grade Algebra class and then do something to harm the kid?

Wouldn't anyone that whacko have a much easier time causing trouble some other way instead of doing that? If the concern is about some MCPS admin, again, they already get the data, and they aren't going to go marching in to a school and tell a principal to move some advanced kid back out of an advanced class that the principal already greenlighted.

Getting the specifics is about supporting advocacy for others to create more and more equitable opportunities. Full stop.

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Anonymous wrote:Noticing that none of these phony-baloneys claiming whole-group 6th-grade Algebra are backong that up with the school name...

Haven't read the entire thread, but there is no "whole-group" registration for 5th graders into 6th grade Algebra. It's always on a case-by-case basis, and all the cases I've heard of, including for my own kid, were parent requested.

At your school maybe. We were given a registration form that all the 5th graders got sent home and the 5th grade teacher had to sign off on it. It had Algebra as an option. We choose it, teacher signed off, done. It was a non-issue.

Ok if this is true NAME THE SCHOOL. Why do people keep claiming things like this but then go silent when asked which school.

I am the BCC cluster poster from upthread. I wrote that there was no such registration form to my knowledge. At our middle school, the staff stays silent until the parent asks, because there is a clear directive from above to stifle such acceleration.

I am happy that at least one other school isn't regressive! And yes, it would be nice to know which one, but I understand that the poster might not want to share, because that would definitely make it easier to identify their child, given they must only be part of a tiny cohort.

So you are OK saying that a kid attends either Silver Creek or Westland...but not OK saying which of these might be accommodating parent requests...because some DCUM troll is going to go to the school, find out who is a sixth grader in a seventh grade Algebra class and then do something to harm the kid?

Wouldn't anyone that whacko have a much easier time causing trouble some other way instead of doing that? If the concern is about some MCPS admin, again, they already get the data, and they aren't going to go marching in to a school and tell a principal to move some advanced kid back out of an advanced class that the principal already greenlighted.

Getting the specifics is about supporting advocacy for others to create more and more equitable opportunities. Full stop.

It’s not Silver Creek.

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Algebra 1 in 6th grade is not on any registration form to my knowledge.

My child took Algebra 1 in 6th grade after being in pool for the magnet but not getting picked. We specifically requested it, since the CES compacted math had been very easy and slow. The math coordinator at our home middle school makes these students take a test the summer before 6th grade to see if they can handle the class. I believe this is the standard procedure for families who request a higher-level class that is not publicly available, and it works for language classes too, since my other child was able to test into a higher-level class in our native language that wasn't the beginner one that's automatically offered.

There's a lot more to that story, including the fact that MCPS tries its best these days to prevent students from being accelerated beyond the normal tracks, in any subject, but in theory, that's how it works.

My mathy child took Honors Geo in 7th and will be bused to our high school for Algebra 2 in 8th. So far, it's all been easy, and I don't anticipate my child will have any trouble with pre-calc, AP calc, multi-variable, etc.

This is different from both the available-at-registration note and the MAP-criteria note, and I assume you're experience is different from that of those posters. Clearly some schools are facilitating this. To which one are you referring? This would allow those interested elsewhere to point to an example when advocating -- knowledge empowers.

PP you replied to. No school is facilitating this. There is a troll that wakes up every time 6th grade Algebra is mentioned, who then fills the thread with screeds about how certain schools in wealthy neighborhoods get all the advanced options. This is not true at all, and 6th grade algebra is advertised nowhere. Our personal experience in the summer of 2021 showed that MCPS is actively trying to PREVENT kids from accessing those classes. It wouldn't surprise me that at some point, they will just stop offering the test-in option.

So with that information in mind, I do have to add that certain neighborhoods tend to have more parents who want those classes for their kids, and therefore it creates a slightly larger pool of people who can inform one another that if they ask for a test, they can get a test. Their kid still needs to do BETTER than the students who have already taken the class! But there is probably more information floating around in wealthier neighborhoods than in others, about this possibility of testing into a class. My kid is one of 3 such accelerated kids in their grade of about 300 in the BCC cluster.

Your point person is the math coordinator of your middle school. Two years ago, our math coordinator referenced a curriculum supervisor, and I understood it was someone in central office, not our own Principal. Your confusion probably comes from the fact that when families ask for the test, the math coordinator looks at the child's previous scores on MAP and other standardized tests, as well as math grades, presumably to have the opportunity of saying no immediately and saving themselves a couple of hours of work. At least, that's how our coordinator acted in our middle school. I suspect that these cases are so rare, coordinators check in with their supervisors to get a procedure. If your coordinator starts saying no, remind them they can check in with their hierarchy, because it's been done before, and there is a known procedure.

If there's a test/procedure, why shouldn't it be known to everyone? Why should a student at one school get the runaround when a student with similar ability at another be considered or even encouraged?

Because cohorts matter. MCPS doesn't want to pay for a class with <10kids. Especially because those kids learn math better at home than from the school teacher anyway.

This is why MCPS prefers to send outliers to magnet TPMS, and leave the high performing W cluster kids at their W cluster schools where they have enough peers to fill accelerated classes and have a huge math club going beyond curriculum.

They abandoned local cohort consideration except via the proxy of the FARMS rate adjustment for the qualifying MAP score, and whatever cohort-consideration effect that might provide is nearly muted by the lottery, which replaced ranking of applicants to take the true outliers.

As for not wanting to pay for kids without a cohort, that's simply inequitable, and keeping related information from broad availability is doubly so.

Who WOULD pay for it? Usually PTA's pay, so if the school doesn't have strong PTA or the PTA president sucks, there is no money to pay for it. It wasn't that big of a deal not to have it. It's only the ultra competitive parents who insist on those things. We had very few activities in MS. There is no such thing as equity.

In MCPS, principals are prohibited from taking PTA $ towards teacher salaries/making such a class available. If a school is allowing it, they are shifting already-allocated MCPS $ to do so.

It may be about catering this way to a strong PTA, but, then, other PTAs/parents should be able to ride on the coattails of the successful PTA -- if they can point to it as an example. Not wanting to divulge the name(a) of schools facilitating Algebra in 6th (beyond one-off highly exceptional cases) is, essentially, opportunity hoarding.

Of course, having loads of PTA cash for things for which principals are permitted to use it can make for a better student experience, anyway.

They have been names in other threads. Principals use their funds to pay for those things and pta steps in with the other needs ours schools pay for themselves.

If named elsewhere, why not name them here to save folks endless searching. Sounds like folks can't back up the claim, but want it believed.

Yes, as money is fungible, PTAs can support some things that might get funded elsewhere with system $, freeing up those system funds for the principal to use toward things that PTA isn't allowed to pay for directly. Hard to clamp down on the inequity without damaging the PTA relationship. Better to adjust school funding to the economic profile of the school to tend to even things out.

They have been named repeatedly in other threads. If you choose not to read them/or ignore the names that's on you. There is no such ting as equality. Nor, do we need equity. We need kids individual needs to be met. We've never been at a high income PTA school and generally those PTA's are dominated by a few parents and not welcoming. We regularly go without and we just go outside to get our kids needs met. No big deal.

I’m sick of the trolling. People say this is true at W schools and never name the school. It’s just not true. Link to the course registration list that includes algebra in 6th grade if it is true.

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Algebra 1 in 6th grade is not on any registration form to my knowledge.

My child took Algebra 1 in 6th grade after being in pool for the magnet but not getting picked. We specifically requested it, since the CES compacted math had been very easy and slow. The math coordinator at our home middle school makes these students take a test the summer before 6th grade to see if they can handle the class. I believe this is the standard procedure for families who request a higher-level class that is not publicly available, and it works for language classes too, since my other child was able to test into a higher-level class in our native language that wasn't the beginner one that's automatically offered.

There's a lot more to that story, including the fact that MCPS tries its best these days to prevent students from being accelerated beyond the normal tracks, in any subject, but in theory, that's how it works.

My mathy child took Honors Geo in 7th and will be bused to our high school for Algebra 2 in 8th. So far, it's all been easy, and I don't anticipate my child will have any trouble with pre-calc, AP calc, multi-variable, etc.

This is different from both the available-at-registration note and the MAP-criteria note, and I assume you're experience is different from that of those posters. Clearly some schools are facilitating this. To which one are you referring? This would allow those interested elsewhere to point to an example when advocating -- knowledge empowers.

PP you replied to. No school is facilitating this. There is a troll that wakes up every time 6th grade Algebra is mentioned, who then fills the thread with screeds about how certain schools in wealthy neighborhoods get all the advanced options. This is not true at all, and 6th grade algebra is advertised nowhere. Our personal experience in the summer of 2021 showed that MCPS is actively trying to PREVENT kids from accessing those classes. It wouldn't surprise me that at some point, they will just stop offering the test-in option.

So with that information in mind, I do have to add that certain neighborhoods tend to have more parents who want those classes for their kids, and therefore it creates a slightly larger pool of people who can inform one another that if they ask for a test, they can get a test. Their kid still needs to do BETTER than the students who have already taken the class! But there is probably more information floating around in wealthier neighborhoods than in others, about this possibility of testing into a class. My kid is one of 3 such accelerated kids in their grade of about 300 in the BCC cluster.

Your point person is the math coordinator of your middle school. Two years ago, our math coordinator referenced a curriculum supervisor, and I understood it was someone in central office, not our own Principal. Your confusion probably comes from the fact that when families ask for the test, the math coordinator looks at the child's previous scores on MAP and other standardized tests, as well as math grades, presumably to have the opportunity of saying no immediately and saving themselves a couple of hours of work. At least, that's how our coordinator acted in our middle school. I suspect that these cases are so rare, coordinators check in with their supervisors to get a procedure. If your coordinator starts saying no, remind them they can check in with their hierarchy, because it's been done before, and there is a known procedure.

If there's a test/procedure, why shouldn't it be known to everyone? Why should a student at one school get the runaround when a student with similar ability at another be considered or even encouraged?

Because cohorts matter. MCPS doesn't want to pay for a class with <10kids. Especially because those kids learn math better at home than from the school teacher anyway.

This is why MCPS prefers to send outliers to magnet TPMS, and leave the high performing W cluster kids at their W cluster schools where they have enough peers to fill accelerated classes and have a huge math club going beyond curriculum.

They abandoned local cohort consideration except via the proxy of the FARMS rate adjustment for the qualifying MAP score, and whatever cohort-consideration effect that might provide is nearly muted by the lottery, which replaced ranking of applicants to take the true outliers.

As for not wanting to pay for kids without a cohort, that's simply inequitable, and keeping related information from broad availability is doubly so.

Who WOULD pay for it? Usually PTA's pay, so if the school doesn't have strong PTA or the PTA president sucks, there is no money to pay for it. It wasn't that big of a deal not to have it. It's only the ultra competitive parents who insist on those things. We had very few activities in MS. There is no such thing as equity.

In MCPS, principals are prohibited from taking PTA $ towards teacher salaries/making such a class available. If a school is allowing it, they are shifting already-allocated MCPS $ to do so.

It may be about catering this way to a strong PTA, but, then, other PTAs/parents should be able to ride on the coattails of the successful PTA -- if they can point to it as an example. Not wanting to divulge the name(a) of schools facilitating Algebra in 6th (beyond one-off highly exceptional cases) is, essentially, opportunity hoarding.

Of course, having loads of PTA cash for things for which principals are permitted to use it can make for a better student experience, anyway.

They have been names in other threads. Principals use their funds to pay for those things and pta steps in with the other needs ours schools pay for themselves.

If named elsewhere, why not name them here to save folks endless searching. Sounds like folks can't back up the claim, but want it believed.

Yes, as money is fungible, PTAs can support some things that might get funded elsewhere with system $, freeing up those system funds for the principal to use toward things that PTA isn't allowed to pay for directly. Hard to clamp down on the inequity without damaging the PTA relationship. Better to adjust school funding to the economic profile of the school to tend to even things out.

They have been named repeatedly in other threads. If you choose not to read them/or ignore the names that's on you. There is no such ting as equality. Nor, do we need equity. We need kids individual needs to be met. We've never been at a high income PTA school and generally those PTA's are dominated by a few parents and not welcoming. We regularly go without and we just go outside to get our kids needs met. No big deal.

I’m sick of the trolling. People say this is true at W schools and never name the school. It’s just not true. Link to the course registration list that includes algebra in 6th grade if it is true.

No, one person keeps insisting its only at the W schools and the rest of us are saying it's not true. There have been lists in old threads if you are that curious. It is more happening at the "bad" schools to keep kids there as they don't have equal cubs, classes and other things at those schools and that's the only thing enticing they can offer for us not to leave. You don't need the registration. They place the 6th graders in 7th grade algebra. If you want it for your child and they aren't offering easy registration, reach out to the principal or guidance counselor and ask. However, not sure why you are pushing to hurry your child when even starting in 7th is very advanced.

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Anonymous wrote:Noticing that none of these phony-baloneys claiming whole-group 6th-grade Algebra are backong that up with the school name...

Haven't read the entire thread, but there is no "whole-group" registration for 5th graders into 6th grade Algebra. It's always on a case-by-case basis, and all the cases I've heard of, including for my own kid, were parent requested.

At your school maybe. We were given a registration form that all the 5th graders got sent home and the 5th grade teacher had to sign off on it. It had Algebra as an option. We choose it, teacher signed off, done. It was a non-issue.

Ok if this is true NAME THE SCHOOL. Why do people keep claiming things like this but then go silent when asked which school.

I am the BCC cluster poster from upthread. I wrote that there was no such registration form to my knowledge. At our middle school, the staff stays silent until the parent asks, because there is a clear directive from above to stifle such acceleration.

I am happy that at least one other school isn't regressive! And yes, it would be nice to know which one, but I understand that the poster might not want to share, because that would definitely make it easier to identify their child, given they must only be part of a tiny cohort.

So you are OK saying that a kid attends either Silver Creek or Westland...but not OK saying which of these might be accommodating parent requests...because some DCUM troll is going to go to the school, find out who is a sixth grader in a seventh grade Algebra class and then do something to harm the kid?

Wouldn't anyone that whacko have a much easier time causing trouble some other way instead of doing that? If the concern is about some MCPS admin, again, they already get the data, and they aren't going to go marching in to a school and tell a principal to move some advanced kid back out of an advanced class that the principal already greenlighted.

Getting the specifics is about supporting advocacy for others to create more and more equitable opportunities. Full stop.

You need to stop worrying about equity. Those two schools have far more for students than schools down the road, and that is part of the issue. However, we just don't complain about what are schools don't have and seek resources outside MCPS as we KNOW MCPS isn't going to 100% provide for our kids needs. If you feel there should be 6th grade Algebra in every school, you are welcome to advocate for it through the BOE and other avenues.

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Algebra 1 in 6th grade is not on any registration form to my knowledge.

My child took Algebra 1 in 6th grade after being in pool for the magnet but not getting picked. We specifically requested it, since the CES compacted math had been very easy and slow. The math coordinator at our home middle school makes these students take a test the summer before 6th grade to see if they can handle the class. I believe this is the standard procedure for families who request a higher-level class that is not publicly available, and it works for language classes too, since my other child was able to test into a higher-level class in our native language that wasn't the beginner one that's automatically offered.

There's a lot more to that story, including the fact that MCPS tries its best these days to prevent students from being accelerated beyond the normal tracks, in any subject, but in theory, that's how it works.

My mathy child took Honors Geo in 7th and will be bused to our high school for Algebra 2 in 8th. So far, it's all been easy, and I don't anticipate my child will have any trouble with pre-calc, AP calc, multi-variable, etc.

This is different from both the available-at-registration note and the MAP-criteria note, and I assume you're experience is different from that of those posters. Clearly some schools are facilitating this. To which one are you referring? This would allow those interested elsewhere to point to an example when advocating -- knowledge empowers.

PP you replied to. No school is facilitating this. There is a troll that wakes up every time 6th grade Algebra is mentioned, who then fills the thread with screeds about how certain schools in wealthy neighborhoods get all the advanced options. This is not true at all, and 6th grade algebra is advertised nowhere. Our personal experience in the summer of 2021 showed that MCPS is actively trying to PREVENT kids from accessing those classes. It wouldn't surprise me that at some point, they will just stop offering the test-in option.

So with that information in mind, I do have to add that certain neighborhoods tend to have more parents who want those classes for their kids, and therefore it creates a slightly larger pool of people who can inform one another that if they ask for a test, they can get a test. Their kid still needs to do BETTER than the students who have already taken the class! But there is probably more information floating around in wealthier neighborhoods than in others, about this possibility of testing into a class. My kid is one of 3 such accelerated kids in their grade of about 300 in the BCC cluster.

Your point person is the math coordinator of your middle school. Two years ago, our math coordinator referenced a curriculum supervisor, and I understood it was someone in central office, not our own Principal. Your confusion probably comes from the fact that when families ask for the test, the math coordinator looks at the child's previous scores on MAP and other standardized tests, as well as math grades, presumably to have the opportunity of saying no immediately and saving themselves a couple of hours of work. At least, that's how our coordinator acted in our middle school. I suspect that these cases are so rare, coordinators check in with their supervisors to get a procedure. If your coordinator starts saying no, remind them they can check in with their hierarchy, because it's been done before, and there is a known procedure.

If there's a test/procedure, why shouldn't it be known to everyone? Why should a student at one school get the runaround when a student with similar ability at another be considered or even encouraged?

Because cohorts matter. MCPS doesn't want to pay for a class with <10kids. Especially because those kids learn math better at home than from the school teacher anyway.

This is why MCPS prefers to send outliers to magnet TPMS, and leave the high performing W cluster kids at their W cluster schools where they have enough peers to fill accelerated classes and have a huge math club going beyond curriculum.

They abandoned local cohort consideration except via the proxy of the FARMS rate adjustment for the qualifying MAP score, and whatever cohort-consideration effect that might provide is nearly muted by the lottery, which replaced ranking of applicants to take the true outliers.

As for not wanting to pay for kids without a cohort, that's simply inequitable, and keeping related information from broad availability is doubly so.

Who WOULD pay for it? Usually PTA's pay, so if the school doesn't have strong PTA or the PTA president sucks, there is no money to pay for it. It wasn't that big of a deal not to have it. It's only the ultra competitive parents who insist on those things. We had very few activities in MS. There is no such thing as equity.

In MCPS, principals are prohibited from taking PTA $ towards teacher salaries/making such a class available. If a school is allowing it, they are shifting already-allocated MCPS $ to do so.

It may be about catering this way to a strong PTA, but, then, other PTAs/parents should be able to ride on the coattails of the successful PTA -- if they can point to it as an example. Not wanting to divulge the name(a) of schools facilitating Algebra in 6th (beyond one-off highly exceptional cases) is, essentially, opportunity hoarding.

Of course, having loads of PTA cash for things for which principals are permitted to use it can make for a better student experience, anyway.

They have been names in other threads. Principals use their funds to pay for those things and pta steps in with the other needs ours schools pay for themselves.

If named elsewhere, why not name them here to save folks endless searching. Sounds like folks can't back up the claim, but want it believed.

Yes, as money is fungible, PTAs can support some things that might get funded elsewhere with system $, freeing up those system funds for the principal to use toward things that PTA isn't allowed to pay for directly. Hard to clamp down on the inequity without damaging the PTA relationship. Better to adjust school funding to the economic profile of the school to tend to even things out.

They have been named repeatedly in other threads. If you choose not to read them/or ignore the names that's on you. There is no such ting as equality. Nor, do we need equity. We need kids individual needs to be met. We've never been at a high income PTA school and generally those PTA's are dominated by a few parents and not welcoming. We regularly go without and we just go outside to get our kids needs met. No big deal.

I’m sick of the trolling. People say this is true at W schools and never name the school. It’s just not true. Link to the course registration list that includes algebra in 6th grade if it is true.

No, one person keeps insisting its only at the W schools and the rest of us are saying it's not true. There have been lists in old threads if you are that curious. It is more happening at the "bad" schools to keep kids there as they don't have equal cubs, classes and other things at those schools and that's the only thing enticing they can offer for us not to leave. You don't need the registration. They place the 6th graders in 7th grade algebra. If you want it for your child and they aren't offering easy registration, reach out to the principal or guidance counselor and ask. However, not sure why you are pushing to hurry your child when even starting in 7th is very advanced.

Multiple people are saying knowing which schools are facilitating it, how thry are facilitatting it and under what set of student attributes they are allowing it would help advocacy for everyone else. One person keeps throwing out the Ws/WPMS trope, but s/he is not the same as those asking for advocacy purposes.

Painting the advocates as the troll, here, goes right in line with the admonition to go advocate on our own without data that would make that advocacy stick. It's also right in line with the deflection of, "not sure why you are pushing your child," when claiming the Algebra in 6th is somehow made more available at an unnamed school of your own more than at others. The hypocricy, there, is pretty plain.

A few people appear to be saying it exists. The conditons claimed have been different (registration with MAP score, parent request with special test, etc.). None have provided a school name to back up the claim. They refer to old topics/threads/posts as having the information but provide no links. The ease of providing either is far greater than the continued apparent insistence on making sure the vague claim is the last post on the subject.

Makes you wonder whether they do so for some smug thrill or just in order to gin up discord about MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Noticing that none of these phony-baloneys claiming whole-group 6th-grade Algebra are backong that up with the school name...

Haven't read the entire thread, but there is no "whole-group" registration for 5th graders into 6th grade Algebra. It's always on a case-by-case basis, and all the cases I've heard of, including for my own kid, were parent requested.

At your school maybe. We were given a registration form that all the 5th graders got sent home and the 5th grade teacher had to sign off on it. It had Algebra as an option. We choose it, teacher signed off, done. It was a non-issue.

Ok if this is true NAME THE SCHOOL. Why do people keep claiming things like this but then go silent when asked which school.

I am the BCC cluster poster from upthread. I wrote that there was no such registration form to my knowledge. At our middle school, the staff stays silent until the parent asks, because there is a clear directive from above to stifle such acceleration.

I am happy that at least one other school isn't regressive! And yes, it would be nice to know which one, but I understand that the poster might not want to share, because that would definitely make it easier to identify their child, given they must only be part of a tiny cohort.

So you are OK saying that a kid attends either Silver Creek or Westland...but not OK saying which of these might be accommodating parent requests...because some DCUM troll is going to go to the school, find out who is a sixth grader in a seventh grade Algebra class and then do something to harm the kid?

Wouldn't anyone that whacko have a much easier time causing trouble some other way instead of doing that? If the concern is about some MCPS admin, again, they already get the data, and they aren't going to go marching in to a school and tell a principal to move some advanced kid back out of an advanced class that the principal already greenlighted.

Getting the specifics is about supporting advocacy for others to create more and more equitable opportunities. Full stop.

You need to stop worrying about equity. Those two schools have far more for students than schools down the road, and that is part of the issue. However, we just don't complain about what are schools don't have and seek resources outside MCPS as we KNOW MCPS isn't going to 100% provide for our kids needs. If you feel there should be 6th grade Algebra in every school, you are welcome to advocate for it through the BOE and other avenues.

And thanks for making me feel welcome to advocate, as failing to provide a school name was doing just the opposite...

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Anonymous wrote:Noticing that none of these phony-baloneys claiming whole-group 6th-grade Algebra are backong that up with the school name...

Haven't read the entire thread, but there is no "whole-group" registration for 5th graders into 6th grade Algebra. It's always on a case-by-case basis, and all the cases I've heard of, including for my own kid, were parent requested.

At your school maybe. We were given a registration form that all the 5th graders got sent home and the 5th grade teacher had to sign off on it. It had Algebra as an option. We choose it, teacher signed off, done. It was a non-issue.

Ok if this is true NAME THE SCHOOL. Why do people keep claiming things like this but then go silent when asked which school.

I am the BCC cluster poster from upthread. I wrote that there was no such registration form to my knowledge. At our middle school, the staff stays silent until the parent asks, because there is a clear directive from above to stifle such acceleration.

I am happy that at least one other school isn't regressive! And yes, it would be nice to know which one, but I understand that the poster might not want to share, because that would definitely make it easier to identify their child, given they must only be part of a tiny cohort.

So you are OK saying that a kid attends either Silver Creek or Westland...but not OK saying which of these might be accommodating parent requests...because some DCUM troll is going to go to the school, find out who is a sixth grader in a seventh grade Algebra class and then do something to harm the kid?

Wouldn't anyone that whacko have a much easier time causing trouble some other way instead of doing that? If the concern is about some MCPS admin, again, they already get the data, and they aren't going to go marching in to a school and tell a principal to move some advanced kid back out of an advanced class that the principal already greenlighted.

Getting the specifics is about supporting advocacy for others to create more and more equitable opportunities. Full stop.

You need to stop worrying about equity. Those two schools have far more for students than schools down the road, and that is part of the issue. However, we just don't complain about what are schools don't have and seek resources outside MCPS as we KNOW MCPS isn't going to 100% provide for our kids needs. If you feel there should be 6th grade Algebra in every school, you are welcome to advocate for it through the BOE and other avenues.

And thanks for making me feel welcome to advocate, as failing to provide a school name was doing just the opposite...

The schools have been provided but it's not relevant as you aren't going to move and put your child in those schools. They are the schools with lower rankings generally and don't have much else to offer. You CAN look at old threads or the MCCPTA spreadsheet and it has it all. Assuming you are a strong advocate you know this already but you'd rather bully others into doing it for you. It doesn't matter which schools. If you'd like it at your school you need to advocate for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm incredibly impressed by how much time people spent claiming school names were already somewhere else (while conveniently leaving out the link) instead of just naming the school, which would take a fraction of the time.

Claiming algebra in 6th exists, then not sharing the school names when asked. Claiming the school names were shared in other threads, then not linking the threads in question. I'm starting to notice a pattern here.

Of course it exists. The kids skip aim and go directly onto algebra with the 7th graders. It’s principal specific. Each school offers different things. We did not get much of anything else so this was their way of trying to keep our kids at the school.

Aaaaand, yet again, we have a poster taking the time to write 40+ words not to identify a school & method (which might take half or a quarter of the effort to write), but to claim the practice exists, in any case (with no evidence offered).

1. No one owes you anything.
2. There are so few kids doing this that parents feel it's rather self-identifying to name their schools.
3. You've been told to ask the math coordinator at your school already, if you think your child would be a good candidate, because that's how it's done.
4. If you're insinuating that Algebra in 6th doesn't exist, then be my guest. It's not going to hurt anyone except, potentially, your own child.

1. Noone needs to buy in to the claim without your backing it up.
2. Noone is looking to identify who you are, and nobody is going to hack the MCPS servers for class registration data just to try to triangulate the identity of a poster in an anonymous forum.
3. You've been told that advocating this way would be far more effective with information about where it is better facilitated.
4. If anyone's insinuating that Algebra in 6th happens at some schools in a more facilitated/cohorted manner than one-off cases of a student shown to be several standard deviations advanced (and after other enrichment avenues have been exhausted), they can (it's an anon forum, after all!), but, referring to 1., noone needs to buy in to that without some specifics to back it up.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm incredibly impressed by how much time people spent claiming school names were already somewhere else (while conveniently leaving out the link) instead of just naming the school, which would take a fraction of the time.

Claiming algebra in 6th exists, then not sharing the school names when asked. Claiming the school names were shared in other threads, then not linking the threads in question. I'm starting to notice a pattern here.

Of course it exists. The kids skip aim and go directly onto algebra with the 7th graders. It’s principal specific. Each school offers different things. We did not get much of anything else so this was their way of trying to keep our kids at the school.

Aaaaand, yet again, we have a poster taking the time to write 40+ words not to identify a school & method (which might take half or a quarter of the effort to write), but to claim the practice exists, in any case (with no evidence offered).

1. No one owes you anything.
2. There are so few kids doing this that parents feel it's rather self-identifying to name their schools.
3. You've been told to ask the math coordinator at your school already, if you think your child would be a good candidate, because that's how it's done.
4. If you're insinuating that Algebra in 6th doesn't exist, then be my guest. It's not going to hurt anyone except, potentially, your own child.

1. Noone needs to buy in to the claim without your backing it up.
2. Noone is looking to identify who you are, and nobody is going to hack the MCPS servers for class registration data just to try to triangulate the identity of a poster in an anonymous forum.
3. You've been told that advocating this way would be far more effective with information about where it is better facilitated.
4. If anyone's insinuating that Algebra in 6th happens at some schools in a more facilitated/cohorted manner than one-off cases of a student shown to be several standard deviations advanced (and after other enrichment avenues have been exhausted), they can (it's an anon forum, after all!), but, referring to 1., noone needs to buy in to that without some specifics to back it up.

Then, put the effort into it if you want all the names. Talk to MCCPTA, look at old threads, call the individual schools.

What they are doing is placing the 6th graders in 7th grade Algebra. Many of these schools DON't have enrichment like the W schools so that's why they are offering it.

You don't need the names of the schools to advocate. You're just trying to be a bully and obnoxious.

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Anonymous wrote:Noticing that none of these phony-baloneys claiming whole-group 6th-grade Algebra are backong that up with the school name...

Haven't read the entire thread, but there is no "whole-group" registration for 5th graders into 6th grade Algebra. It's always on a case-by-case basis, and all the cases I've heard of, including for my own kid, were parent requested.

At your school maybe. We were given a registration form that all the 5th graders got sent home and the 5th grade teacher had to sign off on it. It had Algebra as an option. We choose it, teacher signed off, done. It was a non-issue.

Ok if this is true NAME THE SCHOOL. Why do people keep claiming things like this but then go silent when asked which school.

I am the BCC cluster poster from upthread. I wrote that there was no such registration form to my knowledge. At our middle school, the staff stays silent until the parent asks, because there is a clear directive from above to stifle such acceleration.

I am happy that at least one other school isn't regressive! And yes, it would be nice to know which one, but I understand that the poster might not want to share, because that would definitely make it easier to identify their child, given they must only be part of a tiny cohort.

So you are OK saying that a kid attends either Silver Creek or Westland...but not OK saying which of these might be accommodating parent requests...because some DCUM troll is going to go to the school, find out who is a sixth grader in a seventh grade Algebra class and then do something to harm the kid?

Wouldn't anyone that whacko have a much easier time causing trouble some other way instead of doing that? If the concern is about some MCPS admin, again, they already get the data, and they aren't going to go marching in to a school and tell a principal to move some advanced kid back out of an advanced class that the principal already greenlighted.

Getting the specifics is about supporting advocacy for others to create more and more equitable opportunities. Full stop.

You need to stop worrying about equity. Those two schools have far more for students than schools down the road, and that is part of the issue. However, we just don't complain about what are schools don't have and seek resources outside MCPS as we KNOW MCPS isn't going to 100% provide for our kids needs. If you feel there should be 6th grade Algebra in every school, you are welcome to advocate for it through the BOE and other avenues.

And thanks for making me feel welcome to advocate, as failing to provide a school name was doing just the opposite...

The schools have been provided but it's not relevant as you aren't going to move and put your child in those schools. They are the schools with lower rankings generally and don't have much else to offer. You CAN look at old threads or the MCCPTA spreadsheet and it has it all. Assuming you are a strong advocate you know this already but you'd rather bully others into doing it for you. It doesn't matter which schools. If you'd like it at your school you need to advocate for it.

"The schools have been provided", "you CAN look at old threads or the MCCPTA spreadsheet" -- links?

"You aren't going to move and put your child in those schools", "they are the schools with lower rankings generally" -- irrelevant to advocacy for all.

All deflections. No substance.