It is so hard this year, McLean HS boy 4.6 GPA got rejected from UVA

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^ I think what PP is getting at is that you have repeated "all 5s on his APs", but have avoided saying how many APs. Since there is not much of a delta between his weighted and unweighted GPAs, it looks like he took 2-3 at most. Why not just say how many? Your kid is in, and that's great. The wording seems deliberately chosen to imply a high number, but the stats don't support that. I think PP is suggesting that Dean J is constantly claiming breadth of rigor is important and that admitted students take the most rigorous classes across the board, and in this case that may not be true. FWIW, I know several kids who got into UVA this year and definitely did not have the most rigorous schedules or the highest GPAs, so I have already concluded that there are obvious exceptions to claims made by UVA admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:^ I think what PP is getting at is that you have repeated "all 5s on his APs", but have avoided saying how many APs. Since there is not much of a delta between his weighted and unweighted GPAs, it looks like he took 2-3 at most. Why not just say how many? Your kid is in, and that's great. The wording seems deliberately chosen to imply a high number, but the stats don't support that. I think PP is suggesting that Dean J is constantly claiming breadth of rigor is important and that admitted students take the most rigorous classes across the board, and in this case that may not be true. FWIW, I know several kids who got into UVA this year and definitely did not have the most rigorous schedules or the highest GPAs, so I have already concluded that there are obvious exceptions to claims made by UVA admissions.

I'm the PP you're responding to, but I'm not this boy's mom. I was simply restating what the mom said in her post.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

Meh my nephew is a white male who got in to VT with good but lower stats than OP. VT def rejects high stat kids who they think won’t go to VT.

+1

So does UVA.

Disagree. I'm a college counselor who has never seen UVA yield protect. But please post back if you have truth.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!

You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.

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No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"

Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022

The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine

VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...

So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.

I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.

Same.

New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/

There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).

These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.

the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.

Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.

I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.

Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.


And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.

The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?

Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!

You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.

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No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"

Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022

The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine

VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...

So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.

I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.

Same.

New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/

There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).

These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.

the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.

Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.

I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.

Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.


And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.

The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?

Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it

Actually, isn’t it more accurate to say it’s 40.4% of setudent who self identify as URM and underserved students?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!

You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.

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No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"

Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022

The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine

VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...

So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.

I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.

Same.

New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/

There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).

These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.

the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.

Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.

I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.

Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.


And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.

The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?

Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it

First gen does not equal URM. Google it.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!

You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.

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No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"

Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022

The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine

VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...

So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.

I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.

Same.

New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/

There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).

These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.

the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.

Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.

I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.

Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.


And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.

The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?

Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it

First gen does not equal URM. Google it.

DP -we are all well aware of that. But that is the precise figure and wording used in press releases by Virginia Tech. Google it

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!

You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.

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No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"

Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022

The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine

VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...

So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.

I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.

Same.

New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/

There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).

These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.

the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.

Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.

I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.

Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.


And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.

The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?

Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it

Actually, isn’t it more accurate to say it’s 40.4% of setudent who self identify as URM and underserved students?

You would have ask Virginia Tech. They are very big on getting in more URMs and first generation, military, the poor, etc, Since the headmaster has been pushing this publicly since 2016, I would guess they track everything very closely and admit only the ones that fit their boxes

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!

You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.

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No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"

Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022

The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine

VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...

So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.

I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.

Same.

New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/

There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).

These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.

the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.

Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.

I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.

Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.


And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.

The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?

Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it

Actually, isn’t it more accurate to say it’s 40.4% of setudent who self identify as URM and underserved students?

You would have ask Virginia Tech. They are very big on getting in more URMs and first generation, military, the poor, etc, Since the headmaster has been pushing this publicly since 2016, I would guess they track everything very closely and admit only the ones that fit their boxes

Seriously? There is no tracking or accountability. You think if someone checks off mixed race or African American they verify it. Absurd. It’s self identified only and we know what that means.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!

You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.

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No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"

Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022

The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine

VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...

So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.

I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.

Same.

New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/

There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).

These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.

the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.

Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.

I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.

Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.


And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.

The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?

Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it

First gen does not equal URM. Google it.

DP -we are all well aware of that. But that is the precise figure and wording used in press releases by Virginia Tech. Google it

The entire through line of the thread is about URM and diversity or more accurately the lack thereof. Read it. Putting out a statistic in a manner designed to mislead is typical of DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!

You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.

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No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"

Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022

The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine

VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...

So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.

I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.

Same.

New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/

There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).

These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.

the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.

Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.

I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.

Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.


And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.

The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?

Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it

Actually, isn’t it more accurate to say it’s 40.4% of setudent who self identify as URM and underserved students?

You would have ask Virginia Tech. They are very big on getting in more URMs and first generation, military, the poor, etc, Since the headmaster has been pushing this publicly since 2016, I would guess they track everything very closely and admit only the ones that fit their boxes

Seriously? There is no tracking or accountability. You think if someone checks off mixed race or African American they verify it. Absurd. It’s self identified only and we know what that means.

Yeah we know. It’s such an advantage that tech has something like 8% black enrollment. Wow so many people must be checking the box. Before you throw out ridiculous accusations just check to see if the facts even begin to support it.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!

You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.

No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"

Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022

The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine

VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...

So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.

I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.

Same.

New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/

There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).

These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.

the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.

Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.

I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.

Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.


And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.

The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?

Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it

Actually, isn’t it more accurate to say it’s 40.4% of setudent who self identify as URM and underserved students?

You would have ask Virginia Tech. They are very big on getting in more URMs and first generation, military, the poor, etc, Since the headmaster has been pushing this publicly since 2016, I would guess they track everything very closely and admit only the ones that fit their boxes

Seriously? There is no tracking or accountability. You think if someone checks off mixed race or African American they verify it. Absurd. It’s self identified only and we know what that means.

Yeah we know. It’s such an advantage that [b]tech has something like 8% black enrollment. Wow so many people must be checking the box. Before you throw out ridiculous accusations just check to see if the facts even begin to support it.

Is only relevant in comparison to the # of qualified Black applicants.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!

You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.

No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"

Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022

The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine

VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...

So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.

I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.

Same.

New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/

There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).

These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.

the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.

Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.

I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.

Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.


And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.

The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?

Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it

Actually, isn’t it more accurate to say it’s 40.4% of setudent who self identify as URM and underserved students?

You would have ask Virginia Tech. They are very big on getting in more URMs and first generation, military, the poor, etc, Since the headmaster has been pushing this publicly since 2016, I would guess they track everything very closely and admit only the ones that fit their boxes

Seriously? There is no tracking or accountability. You think if someone checks off mixed race or African American they verify it. Absurd. It’s self identified only and we know what that means.

Yeah we know. It’s such an advantage that [b]tech has something like 8% black enrollment. Wow so many people must be checking the box. Before you throw out ridiculous accusations just check to see if the facts even begin to support it.

Is only relevant in comparison to the # of qualified Black applicants.

No. If you’re claiming that students who aren’t black are checking the box because it gives them an advantage then it has no relevance.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.

They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!

You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.

No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"

Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022

The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine

VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...

So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.

I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.

Same.

New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/

There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).

These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.

the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.

Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.

I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.

Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.


And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.

The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?

Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it

Actually, isn’t it more accurate to say it’s 40.4% of setudent who self identify as URM and underserved students?

You would have ask Virginia Tech. They are very big on getting in more URMs and first generation, military, the poor, etc, Since the headmaster has been pushing this publicly since 2016, I would guess they track everything very closely and admit only the ones that fit their boxes

Seriously? There is no tracking or accountability. You think if someone checks off mixed race or African American they verify it. Absurd. It’s self identified only and we know what that means.

Yeah we know. It’s such an advantage that [b]tech has something like 8% black enrollment. Wow so many people must be checking the box. Before you throw out ridiculous accusations just check to see if the facts even begin to support it.

Is only relevant in comparison to the # of qualified Black applicants.

No. If you’re claiming that students who aren’t black are checking the box because it gives them an advantage then it has no relevance.

No, I’m claiming that it’s not relevant to cite the % of Black students at VT in isolation. If only a very tiny # of Black students applied to VT, then that 8% is not out-of-line & doesn’t suggest it is easier or harder for a Black student to get into VT than a student of another race.

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same exact story as OP for my kid. who is not going to an Ivy. UVA plays yield protection games and misses out on great kids. And then goes and accepts more OOS students than in-state students.