UVA with Jefferson Scholarship vs Harvard

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Anonymous wrote:How much is the different? 300k?

If you have it saved up for college, yes Harvard is worth the difference given your kid is a go-getter and takes advantage of the opportunities presented by Harvard.

If its loans, how much loan? $100k may be reasonable if your child is majoring in CS, but not reasonable at all if wanting to go to graduate school or majoring in the humanities with no interest in consulting or finance.

And by opportunities presented at Harvard, I don't mean networking with future politicians or titans of industry. Those doors are generally entirely closed to anyone other than the wealthy and already well-connected. I'm talking about practical benefits like recruitment from elite finance/consulting/tech firms. Tech is more meritocratic but Harvard brand still holds quite a sway, especially in algorithmic trading firms.

A student at Harvard with a 3.0 in History with no impressive extracurriculars would get invited for elite consulting/finance firms while the same student at UVA would need a 3.8+ GPA from McIntire to even get a preliminary interview. Many elite firms don't even recruit at UVA.

This is so, so true. All the finance guys I know from Harvard studied Government, History, and even Art History. One was busted cheating on a test and Harvard put him on probation for a year and made him graduate one year late. All of them went on to very well-paid careers in finance, no need to take a break for an MBA. They made partner at Goldman, became lead traders, went into buy-side, or private equity. They are now starting to retire in their mid-40s.

It's a f#cking racket.

The saying that the college does not matter or that it only matters for the first job is such a lie.

Yeah, it does not matter if you want an average life with a 9-5 making $70k a year and a mountain of mortgage, bills and future college tuition to worry about.

If you want to be wealthy, work at elite firms, work in upper management or comfortably retire in your early 40s or even 30s, certain colleges make those doors wide open for you. With most colleges, you have a better chance of winning the lottery than achieving such outcomes.

C'mon, man. You can't just make stuff up and expect people to believe you.

Here's where the CEOs of 100 recognizable US companies went to college.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/business/

Here's the upper management at top biotech firms.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/biotech-pharma/

And top tech firms.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/lists/tech/

This doesn’t seem to say what you think is says. For tech companies,

“Over all 10 companies, 23% of those who did complete their undergraduate studies in the US attended MC25 colleges, which is a bit lower than the percentage in most of the fields listed.”

I would say that having nearly a quarter of your management coming from 25 colleges is impressive from a numbers standpoint. It’s possible to get there from a non t25 school but it is far more helpful to have gone to a t25 school. And tech is the field where it is least helpful.

But it's not because they went to the 't25' school' that they got where they are. It's because of who they are as a person. Why are successful people so willing to ascribe their success to something other than their own awesomeness, which can be nurtured at hundreds of schools rather than just the few so many seem to think are critical to future success? The top students at lower-ranked colleges, those who are just as capable as the few who were admitted to the 't25', achieve just as highly despite the 'handicap' you seem to think they have.

I wouldn't have been pushed to succeed if I had gone to my state U (comparable to UVA) instead of my T10 school. It's a whole different level of critical thinking at T10 vs. State U.

Jefferson Scholars are obviously self-starters.

Exactly. Top students don't need to be pushed.

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Anonymous wrote:How much is the different? 300k?

If you have it saved up for college, yes Harvard is worth the difference given your kid is a go-getter and takes advantage of the opportunities presented by Harvard.

If its loans, how much loan? $100k may be reasonable if your child is majoring in CS, but not reasonable at all if wanting to go to graduate school or majoring in the humanities with no interest in consulting or finance.

And by opportunities presented at Harvard, I don't mean networking with future politicians or titans of industry. Those doors are generally entirely closed to anyone other than the wealthy and already well-connected. I'm talking about practical benefits like recruitment from elite finance/consulting/tech firms. Tech is more meritocratic but Harvard brand still holds quite a sway, especially in algorithmic trading firms.

A student at Harvard with a 3.0 in History with no impressive extracurriculars would get invited for elite consulting/finance firms while the same student at UVA would need a 3.8+ GPA from McIntire to even get a preliminary interview. Many elite firms don't even recruit at UVA.

This is so, so true. All the finance guys I know from Harvard studied Government, History, and even Art History. One was busted cheating on a test and Harvard put him on probation for a year and made him graduate one year late. All of them went on to very well-paid careers in finance, no need to take a break for an MBA. They made partner at Goldman, became lead traders, went into buy-side, or private equity. They are now starting to retire in their mid-40s.

It's a f#cking racket.

The saying that the college does not matter or that it only matters for the first job is such a lie.

Yeah, it does not matter if you want an average life with a 9-5 making $70k a year and a mountain of mortgage, bills and future college tuition to worry about.

If you want to be wealthy, work at elite firms, work in upper management or comfortably retire in your early 40s or even 30s, certain colleges make those doors wide open for you. With most colleges, you have a better chance of winning the lottery than achieving such outcomes.

C'mon, man. You can't just make stuff up and expect people to believe you.

Here's where the CEOs of 100 recognizable US companies went to college.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/business/

Here's the upper management at top biotech firms.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/biotech-pharma/

And top tech firms.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/lists/tech/

This doesn’t seem to say what you think is says. For tech companies,

“Over all 10 companies, 23% of those who did complete their undergraduate studies in the US attended MC25 colleges, which is a bit lower than the percentage in most of the fields listed.”

I would say that having nearly a quarter of your management coming from 25 colleges is impressive from a numbers standpoint. It’s possible to get there from a non t25 school but it is far more helpful to have gone to a t25 school. And tech is the field where it is least helpful.

But it's not because they went to the 't25' school' that they got where they are. It's because of who they are as a person. Why are successful people so willing to ascribe their success to something other than their own awesomeness, which can be nurtured at hundreds of schools rather than just the few so many seem to think are critical to future success? The top students at lower-ranked colleges, those who are just as capable as the few who were admitted to the 't25', achieve just as highly despite the 'handicap' you seem to think they have.

I wouldn't have been pushed to succeed if I had gone to my state U (comparable to UVA) instead of my T10 school. It's a whole different level of critical thinking at T10 vs. State U.

Dumbest post of the day.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Harvard worth the difference? DC would major in business at UVA and economics at Harvard.

A scholar studies a trade subject such as business? How many Jefferson scholars end up studying business at UVA?

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Anonymous wrote:Is Harvard worth the difference? DC would major in business at UVA and economics at Harvard.

A scholar studies a trade subject such as business? How many Jefferson scholars end up studying business at UVA?

Frankly, more people should be studying business rather than gender studies, sociology, political science, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:How much is the different? 300k?

If you have it saved up for college, yes Harvard is worth the difference given your kid is a go-getter and takes advantage of the opportunities presented by Harvard.

If its loans, how much loan? $100k may be reasonable if your child is majoring in CS, but not reasonable at all if wanting to go to graduate school or majoring in the humanities with no interest in consulting or finance.

And by opportunities presented at Harvard, I don't mean networking with future politicians or titans of industry. Those doors are generally entirely closed to anyone other than the wealthy and already well-connected. I'm talking about practical benefits like recruitment from elite finance/consulting/tech firms. Tech is more meritocratic but Harvard brand still holds quite a sway, especially in algorithmic trading firms.

A student at Harvard with a 3.0 in History with no impressive extracurriculars would get invited for elite consulting/finance firms while the same student at UVA would need a 3.8+ GPA from McIntire to even get a preliminary interview. Many elite firms don't even recruit at UVA.

This is so, so true. All the finance guys I know from Harvard studied Government, History, and even Art History. One was busted cheating on a test and Harvard put him on probation for a year and made him graduate one year late. All of them went on to very well-paid careers in finance, no need to take a break for an MBA. They made partner at Goldman, became lead traders, went into buy-side, or private equity. They are now starting to retire in their mid-40s.

It's a f#cking racket.

It's a racket because high finance and consulting is a racket. What these firms do is not easily differentiable (or, they don't do anything of substance), but they need to convince clients to invest their money with them or sell clients services. Clients are more at ease seeing those from top undergrads working on their cases and handling their investments.

Imagine a corporation is looking for consulting firms to do some study on some industry subject. The work itself is trivial, but it's much easier to convince the company to hire McKinsey and charge a high billing rate when the McKinsey team handling the case is entirely composed of Ivy grads. Throw in students from Case Western, Boston College, Northeastern and the case to go with McKinsey just isn't quite as strong. The latter group very well could do as good of a job as the Ivy grads, but clients are swayed by degrees.

This is also true for the elite law firms. Telling clients that your firm has the best attorneys to handle a case with millions on the line because your firm only hires from Yale and Harvard is a great pitch. Now throw UVA, UNC, UT-Austin, Boston University etc. into the mix and the pitch isn't as great.

Same for tech startups. There's not much to go by when raising money and ergo VCs will go with educational background of the founders. MIT, Stanford are obviously the gold standard but a school Harvard is always a safe bet for investors.

UVA is the #8 law school, Harvard #4. Clients are credentialist, too. They know the rankings.

Doesn't matter, Yale and Harvard are always in a different league.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How much is the different? 300k?

If you have it saved up for college, yes Harvard is worth the difference given your kid is a go-getter and takes advantage of the opportunities presented by Harvard.

If its loans, how much loan? $100k may be reasonable if your child is majoring in CS, but not reasonable at all if wanting to go to graduate school or majoring in the humanities with no interest in consulting or finance.

And by opportunities presented at Harvard, I don't mean networking with future politicians or titans of industry. Those doors are generally entirely closed to anyone other than the wealthy and already well-connected. I'm talking about practical benefits like recruitment from elite finance/consulting/tech firms. Tech is more meritocratic but Harvard brand still holds quite a sway, especially in algorithmic trading firms.

A student at Harvard with a 3.0 in History with no impressive extracurriculars would get invited for elite consulting/finance firms while the same student at UVA would need a 3.8+ GPA from McIntire to even get a preliminary interview. Many elite firms don't even recruit at UVA.

This is so, so true. All the finance guys I know from Harvard studied Government, History, and even Art History. One was busted cheating on a test and Harvard put him on probation for a year and made him graduate one year late. All of them went on to very well-paid careers in finance, no need to take a break for an MBA. They made partner at Goldman, became lead traders, went into buy-side, or private equity. They are now starting to retire in their mid-40s.

It's a f#cking racket.

The saying that the college does not matter or that it only matters for the first job is such a lie.

Yeah, it does not matter if you want an average life with a 9-5 making $70k a year and a mountain of mortgage, bills and future college tuition to worry about.

If you want to be wealthy, work at elite firms, work in upper management or comfortably retire in your early 40s or even 30s, certain colleges make those doors wide open for you. With most colleges, you have a better chance of winning the lottery than achieving such outcomes.

C'mon, man. You can't just make stuff up and expect people to believe you.

Here's where the CEOs of 100 recognizable US companies went to college.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/business/

Here's the upper management at top biotech firms.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/biotech-pharma/

And top tech firms.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/lists/tech/

I don't think that list shows you what you think it shows.

The top schools are way over-represented compared to the number of graduates.

It's also a list of undergrad schools, not grad schools.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA Business is not guranteed

For a Jefferson Scholar it is all but guaranteed. Being a Jefferson Scholar is a very big deal at UVA

McIntire is not going to accept an applicant with C's in their transcript and a 3.0 because of their high school performance, which is what the Jefferson Scholar is based on.

It is extremely unlikely that a Jefferson Scholar is going to have C’s/3.0 on their transcript before applying to the Comm School. The Jeff Scholars are exceptionally bright and motivated. Also, someone mentioned up thread that even those within the UVA Circle may not know what a Jefferson Scholar is - and that just isn’t true. Those within the UVA circle most definitely know what a Jefferson Scholar is and who they are in their class.

Unless they end up spending their first two years partying, get into the wrong crowd, get depressed away from home, etc. etc.

Again, Jefferson Scholar getting into McIntire is not a guarantee. If it was, they would guarantee it as one of the perks of being a Jefferson Scholar, opening 20 extra seats in McIntire is not difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Harvard worth the difference? DC would major in business at UVA and economics at Harvard.

A scholar studies a trade subject such as business? How many Jefferson scholars end up studying business at UVA?

UVA has an exceptionally strong Econ department

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Anonymous wrote:Is Harvard worth the difference? DC would major in business at UVA and economics at Harvard.

A scholar studies a trade subject such as business? How many Jefferson scholars end up studying business at UVA?

UVA has an exceptionally strong Econ department

No, it doesn't. The Econ department is ranked in the 30s for graduate studies, and in the 40s for research productivity of the professors.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Harvard worth the difference? DC would major in business at UVA and economics at Harvard.

A scholar studies a trade subject such as business? How many Jefferson scholars end up studying business at UVA?

UVA has an exceptionally strong Econ department

No, it doesn't. The Econ department is ranked in the 30s for graduate studies, and in the 40s for research productivity of the professors.

Business it ranked 7 or 8.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Harvard worth the difference? DC would major in business at UVA and economics at Harvard.

A scholar studies a trade subject such as business? How many Jefferson scholars end up studying business at UVA?

UVA has an exceptionally strong Econ department

No, it doesn't. The Econ department is ranked in the 30s for graduate studies, and in the 40s for research productivity of the professors.

Without looking it up, what are the criteria your cited ranking uses?

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Anonymous wrote:Is Harvard worth the difference? DC would major in business at UVA and economics at Harvard.

A scholar studies a trade subject such as business? How many Jefferson scholars end up studying business at UVA?

UVA has an exceptionally strong Econ department

No, it doesn't. The Econ department is ranked in the 30s for graduate studies, and in the 40s for research productivity of the professors.

Without looking it up, what are the criteria your cited ranking uses?

Does it matter. The original post said business at UVA, which is ranked at 7 for undergrad.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Harvard worth the difference? DC would major in business at UVA and economics at Harvard.

A scholar studies a trade subject such as business? How many Jefferson scholars end up studying business at UVA?

UVA has an exceptionally strong Econ department

No, it doesn't. The Econ department is ranked in the 30s for graduate studies, and in the 40s for research productivity of the professors.

Without looking it up, what are the criteria your cited ranking uses?

Does it matter. The original post said business at UVA, which is ranked at 7 for undergrad.

Seriously? You're going to make major life decisions without knowing what you're basing them on?

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Anonymous wrote:Is Harvard worth the difference? DC would major in business at UVA and economics at Harvard.

A scholar studies a trade subject such as business? How many Jefferson scholars end up studying business at UVA?

Yeah. Why would they want to do a trade job like becoming a CFO or CEO or entrepreneur or any pathetic trade job like that?

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Anonymous wrote:Is Harvard worth the difference? DC would major in business at UVA and economics at Harvard.

A scholar studies a trade subject such as business? How many Jefferson scholars end up studying business at UVA?

UVA has an exceptionally strong Econ department

No, it doesn't. The Econ department is ranked in the 30s for graduate studies, and in the 40s for research productivity of the professors.

Without looking it up, what are the criteria your cited ranking uses?

Does it matter. The original post said business at UVA, which is ranked at 7 for undergrad.

Seriously? You're going to make major life decisions without knowing what you're basing them on?

Who cares about UVA's economics department's rank and how it's calculated if the student isn't even planning on majoring in economics? We might as well start looking up bio rankings.