Canada Truck Convoy, what to think about it?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see why truckers need mandatory vaccines? They are riding alone in their cabs the bulk of the time.

When they unload their shipments the loading dock doors are open (fresh air) and usually there is maybe one or two workers in receiving up 60 feet apart.

My truckers would unload their own freight and then off they would go.

You think they never interact with anyone? You've clearly never set foot inside a truck stop.

So, if we close truck stops we could put an end to community spread? No sports stadiums or bars, but truck stops are the root of the problem?

No. The point is that it's clueless to try and suggest that truckers never come into contact with anyone and are somehow at zero risk. The reality of it is that many truckers HAVE been contracting covid all throughout this pandemic. Sick truckers have contributed to missed pickups and deliveries, backlogs, supply chain shortfalls. It's mind bogglingly naive to suggest that truckers are alone and not at risk.

What specific kind of venue matters less than what kind of contact people are having with each other. And there are many places around the US where unlike NOVA and the big cities where you will barely see a mask anywhere, as if there were no pandemic. And, truckers pass through those areas all the time. Many truckers live in those communities as well. And, Omicron is burning through those places like wildfire right now.

Omicron is burning through NOVA as well. No sure why you believe otherwise.

Truckers one in contact with all kinds of people - dispatch people, loaders and unloaders, border and other inspection staff, etc.. They stop multiple places en route and use coffee shops, washrooms, restaurants, showers, grocery stores, laundromats, etc.

There’s no contact tracing a route that’s thousands of miles long and through multiple countries and jurisdictions.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think people realize what is happening up there. It’s a huge movement. It’s not really about vaccines, per se because many of the protesters are vaccinated. A Canadian friend sent me this: https://rumble.com/vtj4h0-we-are-standing-at-the-battle-line..html

Again, that defies logic. If they already got vaccinated then why are they fighting vaccines?

"Because mandates?"
What about all of the other medical requirements needed to get a commercial driver's license?

It's STUPID no matter how you slice it.

They are fighting mandates - all of them. Masking, proof of vaccination and whatever else is out there, gathering limits and whatever else is out there.

One group gathered to protest in a Province that is already looking at lifting restrictions, and was before the convoy started.

I'm not sure how they plan to deal with the fact that even IF things are changed in Canada, they have to be vaccinated to get into the U.S.

This. The protests are about all manner of illogical covid regs. That masking is all but useless as evidenced by the fact that Trudeau himself currently is hiding from the protesters and just tested positive for covid.

What's so illogical?

- N95/KN95 masks change the amount of time it takes to get infected while standing near someone who is contagious from 10-15 minutes to over 4 hours.
- Limiting crowded social venues reduces spread
- The vaccines SIGNIFICANTLY reduce likelihood of requiring hospitalization or of dying
- Any "risk" of injury from the vaccines is astronomically small compared to the risks of actually getting COVID, and most reactions are exactly the same type of reaction one would get from a saline placebo.

What's illogical is pretending otherwise and irrationally acting like vaccines are the single greatest threat to mankind.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see why truckers need mandatory vaccines? They are riding alone in their cabs the bulk of the time.

When they unload their shipments the loading dock doors are open (fresh air) and usually there is maybe one or two workers in receiving up 60 feet apart.

My truckers would unload their own freight and then off they would go.

You think they never interact with anyone? You've clearly never set foot inside a truck stop.

So, if we close truck stops we could put an end to community spread? No sports stadiums or bars, but truck stops are the root of the problem?

No. The point is that it's clueless to try and suggest that truckers never come into contact with anyone and are somehow at zero risk. The reality of it is that many truckers HAVE been contracting covid all throughout this pandemic. Sick truckers have contributed to missed pickups and deliveries, backlogs, supply chain shortfalls. It's mind bogglingly naive to suggest that truckers are alone and not at risk.

What specific kind of venue matters less than what kind of contact people are having with each other. And there are many places around the US where unlike NOVA and the big cities where you will barely see a mask anywhere, as if there were no pandemic. And, truckers pass through those areas all the time. Many truckers live in those communities as well. And, Omicron is burning through those places like wildfire right now.

Omicron is burning through NOVA as well. No sure why you believe otherwise.

Did anyone here say there was no Omicron in NOVA? No. Stupid of you to go off on that tangent.
But meanwhile, the cases per 100k in NOVA are LOWER right now than they are in the Trump-voting parts of the country where they don't wear masks and less than 60% got the vaccine.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see why truckers need mandatory vaccines? They are riding alone in their cabs the bulk of the time.

When they unload their shipments the loading dock doors are open (fresh air) and usually there is maybe one or two workers in receiving up 60 feet apart.

My truckers would unload their own freight and then off they would go.

You think they never interact with anyone? You've clearly never set foot inside a truck stop.

So, if we close truck stops we could put an end to community spread? No sports stadiums or bars, but truck stops are the root of the problem?

No. The point is that it's clueless to try and suggest that truckers never come into contact with anyone and are somehow at zero risk. The reality of it is that many truckers HAVE been contracting covid all throughout this pandemic. Sick truckers have contributed to missed pickups and deliveries, backlogs, supply chain shortfalls. It's mind bogglingly naive to suggest that truckers are alone and not at risk.

What specific kind of venue matters less than what kind of contact people are having with each other. And there are many places around the US where unlike NOVA and the big cities where you will barely see a mask anywhere, as if there were no pandemic. And, truckers pass through those areas all the time. Many truckers live in those communities as well. And, Omicron is burning through those places like wildfire right now.

Omicron is burning through NOVA as well. No sure why you believe otherwise.

Did anyone here say there was no Omicron in NOVA? No. Stupid of you to go off on that tangent.
But meanwhile, the cases per 100k in NOVA are LOWER right now than they are in the Trump-voting parts of the country where they don't wear masks and less than 60% got the vaccine.

Statistically, California voted for Trump using your correlation. That's certainly not true. Someone above said that NOVA has all these mitigations implying we aren't like those other places with Omicron. I am here to point out, Omicron is still burning through our area despite these numerous mitigations. Everyone is getting Omicron. You aren't going to fix it by mandating the vaccine for truckers.

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For anyone who is thinking this horrible behaviour is about ending mandates:

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ottawa-police-protest-demonstrators-covid19-174137371.html

The organizers have links to for right groups. Some are pretending they didn’t have any idea the kind of reaction they were inciting. They have desecrated the Tomb of the Unknown Solider and the Terry Fox memorial. These aren’t people worried about masks and vaccines - they are looking to overthrow the government and have said as much (one demand being they will not leave until every MP in the liberal party has resigned).

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And guess what: They are coming here! March 1 timeframe. #convoytodc2022

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Anonymous wrote:Trudeau should cave in and drop the silly mandate. If not, Canada will soon discover that supply chains are a lot more fragile than they appear.

It’s not really a silly mandate when you consider that these drivers can’t get into the US unless they’re vaccinated to start with. The vaccination requirement is really moot - the problem is this has turned into a right wing extremist circus.

That is why he loses nothing if he drops the manadate.

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If you follow RT they are doing live tweets of the trucking protest. It's a psy op. Russia is delighted. This "trucker" was inactive and only rose to tweet after 6 years of silence. Read the comments on RT. They are calling Tredeau a fascist in not very good English.

https://www.rt.com/news/547882-alberta-montana-blockade-truckers/

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Trudeau's own photographer is helping to make this a racist issue... which it isn't

The trucker brought the racist loser flag. Seems it is a “racist issue.”

Sounds like a convoy of real dirtbags. https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-homeless-shelter-staff-harassed-by-convoy-protesters-demanding-food-1.5760423

Seems like a convoy of patriots supported by millions of Canadians.

Just to be clear: it’s “patriotism” for Canadians to wave the flag that has come to stand for the traitor states that went to war because they wanted to continue to own humans? It’s not even a Canadian flag. It’s literally the flag of racist trash.

And you wonder why people call you racist.

Some other pp posted a video of protesters expelling the confederate loser from the protest.
Is everything totally in order there, no? But, liberal media is also going out of its way to show only the bad side of this.
Not showing regular people supporting whatever their cause is.

That's because there's a lot of bad side to show. Any time you have anti-vaxxers showing up somewhere you aren't getting the best and brightest. You're for the most part getting a lot of people who are paranoid, delusional, the conspiracy theorists, those easily confused and misled, the underinformed and misinformed, the ones lacking critical thinking skills, and so on.

Good lord you’re an imbecile. 90% of truckers are vaccinated so one would have thought it would be obvious even to the idiots among us that these protesters aren’t anti-vax. Do you even read the news or do you simply spout off random comments?

Their messaging is terrible, they don't appear to be pro vaccine at all. They are disrupting supply chains and the live of their fellow citizens. They are behaving badly.

They are not heroes or patriots, Who organized & funded this protest?

Follow the money.

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The only fringe movement is the pro mandate side.

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Anonymous wrote:You can’t rely on recovered cases. Many people think they’ve had it and recovered when they haven’t.

The EU manages this. Why can’t the US?

EU countries are more centralized and have fewer privacy requirements (think HIPPA) than US. So we could be more like EU and have a centralized government with increased access to our health info to improve general social welfare-- Or we can continue with (largely) de-centralized government and greater privacy for individuals and just take out chances that we may not get the most up to date health info to the benefit of Americans society in general. I'm guessing most Americans will continue to opt for what we have.

We should become socialist with a strong central government to overcome these minority voices and opinions. Government knows what’s best for people.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Trudeau's own photographer is helping to make this a racist issue... which it isn't

The trucker brought the racist loser flag. Seems it is a “racist issue.”

Sounds like a convoy of real dirtbags. https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-homeless-shelter-staff-harassed-by-convoy-protesters-demanding-food-1.5760423

Seems like a convoy of patriots supported by millions of Canadians.

Just to be clear: it’s “patriotism” for Canadians to wave the flag that has come to stand for the traitor states that went to war because they wanted to continue to own humans? It’s not even a Canadian flag. It’s literally the flag of racist trash.

And you wonder why people call you racist.

Some other pp posted a video of protesters expelling the confederate loser from the protest.
Is everything totally in order there, no? But, liberal media is also going out of its way to show only the bad side of this.
Not showing regular people supporting whatever their cause is.

That's because there's a lot of bad side to show. Any time you have anti-vaxxers showing up somewhere you aren't getting the best and brightest. You're for the most part getting a lot of people who are paranoid, delusional, the conspiracy theorists, those easily confused and misled, the underinformed and misinformed, the ones lacking critical thinking skills, and so on.

Good lord you’re an imbecile. 90% of truckers are vaccinated so one would have thought it would be obvious even to the idiots among us that these protesters aren’t anti-vax. Do you even read the news or do you simply spout off random comments?

Agree.

I’m doubled-vaxxed, and boosted, plus I’m healthy and under 50. I’ve done everything they’ve asked. I have a 99.5% + chance of surviving Covid, and we all known now it is not going away.

I AM DONE. Done with masks. Done with lockdowns. Done with mandates. ALL OF IT.

Enough is enough.

Trudeau is being a heavy-handed, egotistical, Manchild and a jerk. He needs to stop his babyish tantrum, back down and admit he’s wrong.

Leave the truckers alone! We need them. Over 90% are vaccinated anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Trudeau's own photographer is helping to make this a racist issue... which it isn't

The trucker brought the racist loser flag. Seems it is a “racist issue.”

Sounds like a convoy of real dirtbags. https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-homeless-shelter-staff-harassed-by-convoy-protesters-demanding-food-1.5760423

Seems like a convoy of patriots supported by millions of Canadians.

Just to be clear: it’s “patriotism” for Canadians to wave the flag that has come to stand for the traitor states that went to war because they wanted to continue to own humans? It’s not even a Canadian flag. It’s literally the flag of racist trash.

And you wonder why people call you racist.

Some other pp posted a video of protesters expelling the confederate loser from the protest.
Is everything totally in order there, no? But, liberal media is also going out of its way to show only the bad side of this.
Not showing regular people supporting whatever their cause is.

That's because there's a lot of bad side to show. Any time you have anti-vaxxers showing up somewhere you aren't getting the best and brightest. You're for the most part getting a lot of people who are paranoid, delusional, the conspiracy theorists, those easily confused and misled, the underinformed and misinformed, the ones lacking critical thinking skills, and so on.

Good lord you’re an imbecile. 90% of truckers are vaccinated so one would have thought it would be obvious even to the idiots among us that these protesters aren’t anti-vax. Do you even read the news or do you simply spout off random comments?

Agree.

I’m doubled-vaxxed, and boosted, plus I’m healthy and under 50. I’ve done everything they’ve asked. I have a 99.5% + chance of surviving Covid, and we all known now it is not going away.

I AM DONE. Done with masks. Done with lockdowns. Done with mandates. ALL OF IT.

Enough is enough.

Trudeau is being a heavy-handed, egotistical, Manchild and a jerk. He needs to stop his babyish tantrum, back down and admit he’s wrong.

Leave the truckers alone! We need them. Over 90% are vaccinated anyway.

Good for you, but it's the unvaccinated/unmasked (and proud) that are prolonging this; go yell at them. I'm tired of it too.

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They’re not prolonging anything - they’re not in charge and they don’t make policy.

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Anonymous wrote:They’re not prolonging anything - they’re not in charge and they don’t make policy.

Has nothing to do with policy. The anti-vaxxers and anti-mandaters are prolonging the pandemic. They are overwhelming our healthcare system and driving healthcare worker burnout. They are contributed to the supply chain disruptions. They are putting a huge burden on the economy.