Canada Truck Convoy, what to think about it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I don’t understand is why we even need mandates. You can look at the vaccine data, and see that it’s very effective. Why dig in your heels and wait for the government to tell you to get vaccinated, or wear a mask? What happened to common sense? Self-preservation? Caring about the common good?

It has been a requirement to attend school that you are vaccinated. This has been the case for decades. You people are such morons. Required vaccinations are nothing new.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I don’t understand is why we even need mandates. You can look at the vaccine data, and see that it’s very effective. Why dig in your heels and wait for the government to tell you to get vaccinated, or wear a mask? What happened to common sense? Self-preservation? Caring about the common good?

It has been a requirement to attend school that you are vaccinated. This has been the case for decades. You people are such morons. Required vaccinations are nothing new.

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And it’s become clear that the sociopaths who claim to be just against the mandates, but not vaccinating, are not getting vaccinated, not in America at least. The Canadian truckers are vaccinated to the tune of 90% or thereabouts. So it was all just a stupid feint.

[Anonymous]

Healthcare is overrun by the unvaccinated. That’s why it matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If 90% of people are voluntarily vaccinated, the vaccines don't prevent transmission, the mortality rate is low, why is the government so set on a need for a mandate?

You HAVE to force 100% compliance through coercive threats to people's livelihoods and restrict freedom of movement for citizens? Some people have died from vaccine injuries. Why can't we allow some people to opt out?

There are a number of people who have low trust for the government, low trust for big pharma, and there are lots of current and past examples that demonstrate why.

"Ms. Spit is now among hundreds in the U.K. and elsewhere applying for government compensation for suspected injury caused by Covid-19 vaccines. She is part of a very small, little-discussed community of pandemic victims: those who have suffered—or had family or loved ones suffer—from rare but serious vaccine side effects recognized by doctors, regulators and researchers. They say they feel lost in wider Covid-19 statistics, which have shown vaccines to be extremely safe and effective for most of the population."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-vaccines-were-deadly-in-rare-cases-governments-are-now-weighing-compensation-11645266603

The performance of vaccines and boosters, particularly in younger adults, is among the most glaring omissions in data the C.D.C. has made public."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/health/covid-cdc-data.amp.html

In 2009 Pfizer had to pay $2.3 billion, to resolve the largest health care fraud settlement in the history of the Department of Justice, to resolve criminal and civil liability arising from the illegal promotion of certain pharmaceutical products.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history

On May 16, 1997, President Bill Clinton issued a formal Presidential Apology for the Tuskegee study. The quotes from this deserve their own post

https://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm

"The Deans of twelve of the most eminent American schools of public health sent a letter to President Barack Obama vigorously protesting the precedent that was set when the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) used the guise of a vaccination campaign to hunt for Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan."

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2013/klag-CIA-vaccination-cover-pakistan

This has moved past whatever silly arguments people want to make about whether the vaccine/masks/measures is 99% effective or only 90%. That’s irrelevant. This has evolved into a challenge to the authority of government. And the authority of the government must be unquestionable. Otherwise we have anarchy. And I don’t want anarchy. If the government tells you to do something, you DO it. It’s not about your feelz, your freedumbs, whatever. It’s about all of us understanding that the government is in charge. Period.

[Anonymous]

This has moved past whatever silly arguments people want to make about whether the vaccine/masks/measures is 99% effective or only 90%. That’s irrelevant. This has evolved into a challenge to the authority of government. And the authority of the government must be unquestionable. Otherwise we have anarchy. And I don’t want anarchy. If the government tells you to do something, you DO it. It’s not about your feelz, your freedumbs, whatever. It’s about all of us understanding that the government is in charge. Period.


Per Canada's own McGill university:

" Liberal democracy is a form of government. It is a representative democracy in which the ability of the elected representatives to exercise decision-making power is subject to the rule of law, and usually moderated by a constitution that emphasizes the protection of the rights and freedoms of individuals, and which places constraints on the leaders and on the extent to which the will of the majority can be exercised against the rights of minorities.

Liberal democracies also tend to be characterized by tolerance and pluralism; widely differing social and political views, even those viewed as extreme or fringe, are permitted to co-exist and compete for political power on a democratic basis.
...
[The] initial framework for modern liberal democracy was created during the Age of Enlightenment by philosophers advocating liberty. They emphasized the right of the individual to have immunity from the arbitrary exercise of authority.

https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/l/Liberal_democracy.htm

[Anonymous]

And the authority of the government must be unquestionable. Otherwise we have anarchy. And I don’t want anarchy. If the government tells you to do something, you DO it

This is completely insane. Next time you post how you want democracy, think again. You are the most delusional, Putin-loving pp here. No doubt you think yourself some kind of liberal democrat?
How many of you are there? Are Trumpers right? Are they a lesser threat to democracy than this type of liberal?
Unhinged, just unhinged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And the authority of the government must be unquestionable. Otherwise we have anarchy. And I don’t want anarchy. If the government tells you to do something, you DO it

This is completely insane. Next time you post how you want democracy, think again. You are the most delusional, Putin-loving pp here. No doubt you think yourself some kind of liberal democrat?
How many of you are there? Are Trumpers right? Are they a lesser threat to democracy than this type of liberal?
Unhinged, just unhinged.

DP. That is how it works, though. It's called Law and Order. And if you don't believe you should follow it, then you take them to court and state your case. But until then, you follow the law.

[Anonymous]

Actually, the conscientious objector has an array of political options, like delaying compliance to the extent possible, increasing visibility through peaceful protests, and swaying possible allies to advocate and intervene on your behalf with persuasive arguments.

- vaccinated person who is against mandates

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And the authority of the government must be unquestionable. Otherwise we have anarchy. And I don’t want anarchy. If the government tells you to do something, you DO it

This is completely insane. Next time you post how you want democracy, think again. You are the most delusional, Putin-loving pp here. No doubt you think yourself some kind of liberal democrat?
How many of you are there? Are Trumpers right? Are they a lesser threat to democracy than this type of liberal?
Unhinged, just unhinged.

The laws are what they are. It's up to the Executive Branch to enforce them. If you don't like them, take it up with the legislature or plead a case with the judiciary. That's how it works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

This has moved past whatever silly arguments people want to make about whether the vaccine/masks/measures is 99% effective or only 90%. That’s irrelevant. This has evolved into a challenge to the authority of government. And the authority of the government must be unquestionable. Otherwise we have anarchy. And I don’t want anarchy. If the government tells you to do something, you DO it. It’s not about your feelz, your freedumbs, whatever. It’s about all of us understanding that the government is in charge. Period.

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With rights come responsibilities. If you want the rights, you are agreeing to live in a society with other people which also means having a sense of compassion. Rights are not absolute and never have been in a democracy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actually, the conscientious objector has an array of political options, like delaying compliance to the extent possible, increasing visibility through peaceful protests, and swaying possible allies to advocate and intervene on your behalf with persuasive arguments.

- vaccinated person who is against mandates

They can forgo a vaccine and submit to testing. There are workarounds and 99% of the people are fine with one or the other. It is just the acute assholes who are the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the authority of the government must be unquestionable. Otherwise we have anarchy. And I don’t want anarchy. If the government tells you to do something, you DO it

This is completely insane. Next time you post how you want democracy, think again. You are the most delusional, Putin-loving pp here. No doubt you think yourself some kind of liberal democrat?
How many of you are there? Are Trumpers right? Are they a lesser threat to democracy than this type of liberal?
Unhinged, just unhinged.

DP. That is how it works, though. It's called Law and Order. And if you don't believe you should follow it, then you take them to court and state your case. But until then, you follow the law.

Except, why were Emergency POwers needed to clear the truckers in Ottawa? Bcs their law was not violated.

[Anonymous]

This is what premier of Alberta thinks about Trudeau.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I don’t understand is why we even need mandates. You can look at the vaccine data, and see that it’s very effective. Why dig in your heels and wait for the government to tell you to get vaccinated, or wear a mask? What happened to common sense? Self-preservation? Caring about the common good?

It has been a requirement to attend school that you are vaccinated. This has been the case for decades. You people are such morons. Required vaccinations are nothing new.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I don’t understand is why we even need mandates. You can look at the vaccine data, and see that it’s very effective. Why dig in your heels and wait for the government to tell you to get vaccinated, or wear a mask? What happened to common sense? Self-preservation? Caring about the common good?

It has been a requirement to attend school that you are vaccinated. This has been the case for decades. You people are such morons. Required vaccinations are nothing new.

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I’m extremely healthy, why do I need a vaccine for something that can’t harm me? If the vaccine stopped transmission I would consider it but it doesn’t do that so it’s a waste of time.

To all the people that smoke and eat refined carbohydrates, unhealthy fats, and other garbage foods while doing zero exercise, what happened to common sense? Self-preservation? Caring about the common good? No need to answer — you people are just morons. Fat or have diabetes because of your personal choices? You’re a moron. High blood pressure because of your disgusting diet? You’re a moron.

You are an antisocial bully.

Nah I’m a very social person. Lots of friends, beautiful family, and all is gravy, much to your dismay I’m sure. I was being sarcastic calling fat people or people who eat poorly or smoke morons — I don’t actually see them that way personally. Actually, when I look at fat people and smokers etc, I try and be compassionate — I don’t know what they’ve been through in life, their situation, so I don’t judge them for being fat or addicted to cigarettes. You shouldn’t judge people for their personal health choices either. Everyone has the right to eat like garbage and get as fat as they want or smoke cigarettes, just like everyone has the right to decide whether they feel a medication would be worthwhile given their situation. It’s called freedom of choice, my body my choice, whatever you want to call it. Very basic tenant of American life.

Either way this debate is dumb. Just like it always has in America, freedom of choice is prevailing. Deal with it.

Don’t get vaccinated but do not expect special treatment. Your medical insurance will charge you a surcharge, your insurance maybe canceled, you will be at the bottom of the list for medical resources, your work will let you go, your will not be able to another job, etc. That is your choice. Freedom comes with responsibility. So deal with your choice and stop whining. Stop trying to force your view on others. No one cares about you or your crazy views.