Barnard is Barnard, not Columbia!!!

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Barnard! Love it! Great school! I didn't call it Columbia, nor did I want to go to CU. But why do you care?

My guess is that this ruffles feathers because these students/parents are implying they got into Columbia, which is significantly harder than getting into Barnard. If they had applied to Columbia college or engineering they wouldn't have gotten in. They got into Barnard because it has, undeniably, lower standards, so I imagine it bothers the other Ivy parents to hear them brag about getting in.

Regardless, who cares who is brags about this kind of stuff? It is stupid.

Harder to get into Columbia than Barnard? I imagine that it’s harder to get into Columbia College of Engineering than it is to get into Columbia College. I imagine that various majors within each of these colleges have varying degrees of difficulty as well. I expect that there are differences in access between male and female applicants to different majors as well as the university strives to achieve gender balance. Same for URMs, legacies, athletes, etc. Geographic differences as well. Whole different story for SGS as well. Does Columbia even calculate those applicants into their stated rate of acceptance?

The fact that there is no one single standard of selection at Columbia. It varies depending on a lot of factors. Another fact is that Barnard only admitted 11% of it applicants last year. It is incredibly selective. It’s standard for admission is more similar to Columbia than it is difference. For the vast majority of college applicants both are an incredible reach. And it is much easier for men to get into Columbia than to get into Barnard.

No, Columbia College is harder to get in than SEAS. SEAS students are always rejected by a large number of other schools, not just MIT and Cal Tech. SEAS is a good engineering school. It’s not a great engineering school. SEAS doesn’t even have its own nuclear reactor. Well, it does. They built one in the 1970s, but due to the City’s objections, they never switched it on.

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Anonymous wrote:But Barnard is Columbia.

No dog in this fight but the Barnard folks seem to have the facts on their side. The Columbia boosters just don't like it. I sure hope the Columbia people have some tie to Columbia. Otherwise, this may be the most pathetic thread ever.

You are making zero sense. Columbia "boosters"? Where? And you "hope the Columbia people have some tie to Columbia"? That literally makes no sense. Like, re-read that sentence. In any case, why would that make this thread pathetic?

And no, the facts are not on Barnard's side. Columbia literally says that it has three undergraduate divisions right on its website, and does not list Barnard as one. They are separate institutions with separate acceptance and admissions criteria, as well as separate graduation requirements and criteria, so it is 100% dishonest to claim that you were "accepted" to or "graduated" from Columbia if you are a Barnard student.

It’s more complicated than you’re making out to be. Barnard and Columbia have a unique partnership. They share virtually all facilities. Barnard women play with Columbia women in athletic teams. Barnard students can register for a wide range of Columbia courses. They can even pursue Crain majors at Columbia.

But the bottom line is this:

The diploma that a Barnard College graduate receives is signed by BOTH the president of Barnard AND the the provost of Columbia University, indicating that the degree is awarded jointly by both institutions.

The Barnard administration advises its students to tell those ho ask that they are “graduates of Barnard College of Columbia University.”

The partnership between these 2 institutions is unique so no one can try to fit it into a box that is like other universities. It doesn’t work. Regardless, the fact is that Barnard falls under the umbrella of Columbia University but the partnership has allowed them to remain independent in certain ways so that it can maintain its identity as a women’s college and set priorities for its students in a way that revignizes their needs and aspirations as women.

https://barnard.edu/boldly-barnard/columbia-university

It's like Emory and Notre Dame. It's not that unique.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to Barnard! Love it! Great school! I didn't call it Columbia, nor did I want to go to CU. But why do you care?

My guess is that this ruffles feathers because these students/parents are implying they got into Columbia, which is significantly harder than getting into Barnard. If they had applied to Columbia college or engineering they wouldn't have gotten in. They got into Barnard because it has, undeniably, lower standards, so I imagine it bothers the other Ivy parents to hear them brag about getting in.

Regardless, who cares who is brags about this kind of stuff? It is stupid.

Harder to get into Columbia than Barnard? I imagine that it’s harder to get into Columbia College of Engineering than it is to get into Columbia College. I imagine that various majors within each of these colleges have varying degrees of difficulty as well. I expect that there are differences in access between male and female applicants to different majors as well as the university strives to achieve gender balance. Same for URMs, legacies, athletes, etc. Geographic differences as well. Whole different story for SGS as well. Does Columbia even calculate those applicants into their stated rate of acceptance?

The fact that there is no one single standard of selection at Columbia. It varies depending on a lot of factors. Another fact is that Barnard only admitted 11% of it applicants last year. It is incredibly selective. It’s standard for admission is more similar to Columbia than it is difference. For the vast majority of college applicants both are an incredible reach. And it is much easier for men to get into Columbia than to get into Barnard.

No, Columbia College is harder to get in than SEAS..

Source?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But Barnard is Columbia.

No dog in this fight but the Barnard folks seem to have the facts on their side. The Columbia boosters just don't like it. I sure hope the Columbia people have some tie to Columbia. Otherwise, this may be the most pathetic thread ever.

You are making zero sense. Columbia "boosters"? Where? And you "hope the Columbia people have some tie to Columbia"? That literally makes no sense. Like, re-read that sentence. In any case, why would that make this thread pathetic?

And no, the facts are not on Barnard's side. Columbia literally says that it has three undergraduate divisions right on its website, and does not list Barnard as one. They are separate institutions with separate acceptance and admissions criteria, as well as separate graduation requirements and criteria, so it is 100% dishonest to claim that you were "accepted" to or "graduated" from Columbia if you are a Barnard student.

It’s more complicated than you’re making out to be. Barnard and Columbia have a unique partnership. They share virtually all facilities. Barnard women play with Columbia women in athletic teams. Barnard students can register for a wide range of Columbia courses. They can even pursue Crain majors at Columbia.

But the bottom line is this:

The diploma that a Barnard College graduate receives is signed by BOTH the president of Barnard AND the the provost of Columbia University, indicating that the degree is awarded jointly by both institutions.

The Barnard administration advises its students to tell those ho ask that they are “graduates of Barnard College of Columbia University.”

The partnership between these 2 institutions is unique so no one can try to fit it into a box that is like other universities. It doesn’t work. Regardless, the fact is that Barnard falls under the umbrella of Columbia University but the partnership has allowed them to remain independent in certain ways so that it can maintain its identity as a women’s college and set priorities for its students in a way that revignizes their needs and aspirations as women.

https://barnard.edu/boldly-barnard/columbia-university

It's like Emory and Notre Dame. It's not that unique.

Emory and Norte Dame are affiliated?

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Anonymous wrote:New Yorkers respect Barnard. New Yorkers think EXTREMELY poorly of any Barnard girl that tries to pretend they went to Columbia.

+100

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to Barnard! Love it! Great school! I didn't call it Columbia, nor did I want to go to CU. But why do you care?

My guess is that this ruffles feathers because these students/parents are implying they got into Columbia, which is significantly harder than getting into Barnard. If they had applied to Columbia college or engineering they wouldn't have gotten in. They got into Barnard because it has, undeniably, lower standards, so I imagine it bothers the other Ivy parents to hear them brag about getting in.

Regardless, who cares who is brags about this kind of stuff? It is stupid.

Harder to get into Columbia than Barnard? I imagine that it’s harder to get into Columbia College of Engineering than it is to get into Columbia College. I imagine that various majors within each of these colleges have varying degrees of difficulty as well. I expect that there are differences in access between male and female applicants to different majors as well as the university strives to achieve gender balance. Same for URMs, legacies, athletes, etc. Geographic differences as well. Whole different story for SGS as well. Does Columbia even calculate those applicants into their stated rate of acceptance?

The fact that there is no one single standard of selection at Columbia. It varies depending on a lot of factors. Another fact is that Barnard only admitted 11% of it applicants last year. It is incredibly selective. It’s standard for admission is more similar to Columbia than it is difference. For the vast majority of college applicants both are an incredible reach. And it is much easier for men to get into Columbia than to get into Barnard.

No, Columbia College is harder to get in than SEAS..

Source?

SEAS accepts 7% of its applicants and ranks only #15 in engineering schools. https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/columbia-university-02116

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Reminds me of nitwit rich Catholic school girls going to St Marys College next to University of Notre Dame. The college accepts every rich girl who can pay and then they pretend they go to Notre Dame. So unbelievably cringe and desperate.

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Anonymous wrote:New Yorkers respect Barnard. New Yorkers think EXTREMELY poorly of any Barnard girl that tries to pretend they went to Columbia.

+100

Does a Barnard girl who plays sports have to avoid wearing their team provided Columbia gear?

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Anonymous wrote:New Yorkers respect Barnard. New Yorkers think EXTREMELY poorly of any Barnard girl that tries to pretend they went to Columbia.

+100

Is this now true? I graduated from Columbia College in 1980 before CC went coed and Barnard grads always said they were Columbia grads.

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The University Bylaws - charters and statutes - answer the questions so hotly debated in this forum. Obviously, folks will still interpret and bend these pretty clear statements to favor their preferred view of Barnard and Columbia. But at least there won't be any misstatements of facts... Relevant info is on page 92. Enjoy and congratulations to the Barnard'26 admit.
https://secretary.columbia.edu/files/secretary/university_charters_and_statutes/University%20Charters%20and%20Statutes_June%202013.pdf

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Your daughter's friend probably was trying to impress with the Ivy affiliation.

I find it odd though that you care enough to post on here?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to Barnard! Love it! Great school! I didn't call it Columbia, nor did I want to go to CU. But why do you care?

My guess is that this ruffles feathers because these students/parents are implying they got into Columbia, which is significantly harder than getting into Barnard. If they had applied to Columbia college or engineering they wouldn't have gotten in. They got into Barnard because it has, undeniably, lower standards, so I imagine it bothers the other Ivy parents to hear them brag about getting in.

Regardless, who cares who is brags about this kind of stuff? It is stupid.

Harder to get into Columbia than Barnard? I imagine that it’s harder to get into Columbia College of Engineering than it is to get into Columbia College. I imagine that various majors within each of these colleges have varying degrees of difficulty as well. I expect that there are differences in access between male and female applicants to different majors as well as the university strives to achieve gender balance. Same for URMs, legacies, athletes, etc. Geographic differences as well. Whole different story for SGS as well. Does Columbia even calculate those applicants into their stated rate of acceptance?

The fact that there is no one single standard of selection at Columbia. It varies depending on a lot of factors. Another fact is that Barnard only admitted 11% of it applicants last year. It is incredibly selective. It’s standard for admission is more similar to Columbia than it is difference. For the vast majority of college applicants both are an incredible reach. And it is much easier for men to get into Columbia than to get into Barnard.

No, Columbia College is harder to get in than SEAS. SEAS students are always rejected by a large number of other schools, not just MIT and Cal Tech. SEAS is a good engineering school. It’s not a great engineering school. SEAS doesn’t even have its own nuclear reactor. Well, it does. They built one in the 1970s, but due to the City’s objections, they never switched it on.

+1. When you see an admit stat for “Columbia,” that includes both the college and SEAS. So if you’re looking at liberal arts colleges, you need to mentally adjust the overall admit rate down a bit to get to the college admit rate. Somebody who wants to do the weighted averages could back out the college admit rate pretty quickly (although why bother).

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DD went to Columbia college. She said her college friends made a big deal about Barnard’s status during freshman and maybe sophomore year. After that, they really didn’t care.

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Anonymous wrote:I see DDs classmates posting Barnard-Columbia '26. No, they are two separate schools! Yes, you can take classes at one or the other but your diploma will say Barnard.

Be proud of Barnard.

What about <$100K HHI families who brag about "full ride scholarships" to suggest they're geniuses or something when it is quite literally means-based FINANCIAL AID offered to every admit at or below that HHI bucket. Sooooooo freaking cringe and shameless.

Because in some states, kids with high stats get a full ride scholarship based on merit and that is something to be proud of.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminds me of nitwit rich Catholic school girls going to St Marys College next to University of Notre Dame. The college accepts every rich girl who can pay and then they pretend they go to Notre Dame. So unbelievably cringe and desperate.

“Nitwit” is cruel and not accurate, but the rest is so true.