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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Let’s be real here.  You’re not gonna find a Michigan grad who praises ND.  You have to take the Michigan grad with a grain of salt.

One of my kids turned down ND for UVA in state.  I think it made a lot of sense money-wise, but I’m not going to say that UVA is a better school.  It isn’t. [/quote]

Thanks for your opinion.[/quote]

By what objective measure is UVA better?  [/quote]

ND. Well, for starters UVA sends more Rhodes, Marshall and Fulbrights overseas than ND by far. Ask anyone at Oxford.[/quote]

Well, of the first 1,500 Rhodes scholarships awarded to Americans, only 12 came from Catholic colleges.  (And none of those were women, so consider that when evaluating Wellesley and other women's schools or schools that were early coed schools.)[/quote]

Surely you jest! I’ll go pull up the real stats and post back

UVA and Notre Dame both had two Rhodes Scholars in 2017.  UVA had another in 2019, then both UVA and ND had another in 2020.

Neck and neck.[/quote][/quote]

Try again.  UVA:  How many Rhodes scholars has UVA had?
University of Virginia has had 53 Rhodes Scholarship winners. That's the most of any college or university in the South, the eighth most of any school overall, and the third most of any non-Ivy League university.Jun 8, 2021".  Notre Dame doesn't even produce one every year.  UVA usually has two a year.  Why don't you google before posting?[/quote]

As I've said before, yes, historically UVA has had more Rhodes Scholars than ND (and more than almost any other school outside of the Ivies), but in recent years -- as ND's academic reputation has improved -- they've become neck and neck.  It's also not even remotely true that UVA "usually has two."  It's rare that they have two; often they don't even have one.  The Rhodes has been around for 120 years; UVA has had 55 over that stretch; that's an average of one every other year, which is less than "usually two.."     [/quote]

You lost the argument. And yes UVA gets a Rhodes and a Marshall every year and quite often two Rhodes. [b]You can play selective games all you want but UVA students get more overseas scholarships than ND.  [/b][/quote]

Fulbrights are overseas scholarships.  Since 2009, Notre Dame students have won 189 Fulbrights vs 127 for UVA despite UVA having about 2X as many undergraduates.  The acceptance rate for Notre Dame  Fulbright applicants is also higher at 25.3% vs 18.8% for UVA.

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