Notre Dame

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Anonymous wrote:UVA no. 8 in the U.S. for producer of Rhodes. And the only public in the top 8. Notre Dame? Hmmm. Not in the top 50. This tally is old by the way. UVA now has 56. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/universities-by-number-of-rhodes-scholars.html

Who cares? It is still the No.1 choice for the majority of top Catholic students in the country. I know three people who chose ND over UVA. Rhodes scholar tallies was not a factor in the decision, lol. Anecdata, sure, but the point of people's comments about top students choosing ND over whatever schools you think are superior has nothing to do with your personal perception of the school, rather the students' choices and often lifelong dream of attending ND.

The truth about colleges in the U.S. is that most students do not choose colleges based on the rankings you hold so dear. They have so many other factors to consdier.

Sigh. Again, yes, UVA has had many, many more Rhodes Scholars than ND over the years, and kudos to them. It says a lot about the institution and UVA boosters (and I am one of them) should be proud.

My only point is that ND has been making a lot of headway on the Rhodes front as its academic reputation has moved into the "elite" category. In RECENT years, ND and UVA have been neck and neck when it comes to winners, particularly when adjusted for undergraduate enrollment size. That UVA had lots of Rhodes winners in the 1940s and 1950s when ND had none is relevant to what's happening today.

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PP here. Here are specifics:

Over the last 40 years (since 1981), UVA has had 17 Rhodes winners. In three of those years (2005, 2014, and 2017) it's had two winners in the same year.

ND has had 11 winners over the same time period. It, too, has had two winners in the same year in three of those years (1986, 1997, and 2017).

29 of UVA's 55 Rhodes were won before 1960. Since 1960, UVA has won 26 Rhodes and ND has won 16. ND's undergraduate enrollment is 8900; UVA's is 17,000.

Neck and neck.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. Here are specifics:

Over the last 40 years (since 1981), UVA has had 17 Rhodes winners. In three of those years (2005, 2014, and 2017) it's had two winners in the same year.

ND has had 11 winners over the same time period. It, too, has had two winners in the same year in three of those years (1986, 1997, and 2017).

29 of UVA's 55 Rhodes were won before 1960. Since 1960, UVA has won 26 Rhodes and ND has won 16. ND's undergraduate enrollment is 8900; UVA's is 17,000.

Neck and neck.

Look at you with your facts and rational discussion. You seem to be in the wrong place.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s be real here. You’re not gonna find a Michigan grad who praises ND. You have to take the Michigan grad with a grain of salt.

One of my kids turned down ND for UVA in state. I think it made a lot of sense money-wise, but I’m not going to say that UVA is a better school. It isn’t.

Thanks for your opinion.

By what objective measure is UVA better?

ND. Well, for starters UVA sends more Rhodes, Marshall and Fulbrights overseas than ND by far. Ask anyone at Oxford.

Well, of the first 1,500 Rhodes scholarships awarded to Americans, only 12 came from Catholic colleges. (And none of those were women, so consider that when evaluating Wellesley and other women's schools or schools that were early coed schools.)

Surely you jest! I’ll go pull up the real stats and post back

UVA and Notre Dame both had two Rhodes Scholars in 2017. UVA had another in 2019, then both UVA and ND had another in 2020.

Neck and neck.

Try again. UVA: How many Rhodes scholars has UVA had?
University of Virginia has had 53 Rhodes Scholarship winners. That's the most of any college or university in the South, the eighth most of any school overall, and the third most of any non-Ivy League university.Jun 8, 2021". Notre Dame doesn't even produce one every year. UVA usually has two a year. Why don't you google before posting?

As I've said before, yes, historically UVA has had more Rhodes Scholars than ND (and more than almost any other school outside of the Ivies), but in recent years -- as ND's academic reputation has improved -- they've become neck and neck. It's also not even remotely true that UVA "usually has two." It's rare that they have two; often they don't even have one. The Rhodes has been around for 120 years; UVA has had 55 over that stretch; that's an average of one every other year, which is less than "usually two.."

You lost the argument. And yes UVA gets a Rhodes and a Marshall every year and quite often two Rhodes. You can play selective games all you want but UVA students get more overseas scholarships than ND.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s be real here. You’re not gonna find a Michigan grad who praises ND. You have to take the Michigan grad with a grain of salt.

One of my kids turned down ND for UVA in state. I think it made a lot of sense money-wise, but I’m not going to say that UVA is a better school. It isn’t.

Thanks for your opinion.

By what objective measure is UVA better?

ND. Well, for starters UVA sends more Rhodes, Marshall and Fulbrights overseas than ND by far. Ask anyone at Oxford.

Well, of the first 1,500 Rhodes scholarships awarded to Americans, only 12 came from Catholic colleges. (And none of those were women, so consider that when evaluating Wellesley and other women's schools or schools that were early coed schools.)

Surely you jest! I’ll go pull up the real stats and post back

UVA and Notre Dame both had two Rhodes Scholars in 2017. UVA had another in 2019, then both UVA and ND had another in 2020.

Neck and neck.

Try again. UVA: How many Rhodes scholars has UVA had?
University of Virginia has had 53 Rhodes Scholarship winners. That's the most of any college or university in the South, the eighth most of any school overall, and the third most of any non-Ivy League university.Jun 8, 2021". Notre Dame doesn't even produce one every year. UVA usually has two a year. Why don't you google before posting?

As I've said before, yes, historically UVA has had more Rhodes Scholars than ND (and more than almost any other school outside of the Ivies), but in recent years -- as ND's academic reputation has improved -- they've become neck and neck. It's also not even remotely true that UVA "usually has two." It's rare that they have two; often they don't even have one. The Rhodes has been around for 120 years; UVA has had 55 over that stretch; that's an average of one every other year, which is less than "usually two.."

You lost the argument. And yes UVA gets a Rhodes and a Marshall every year and quite often two Rhodes. You can play selective games all you want but UVA students get more overseas scholarships than ND.

Sounds to me that people are comparing apples to oranges here with the different enrollments and academic focus of these two schools. But we're flattered that UVA is trying to compare themselves to ND.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s be real here. You’re not gonna find a Michigan grad who praises ND. You have to take the Michigan grad with a grain of salt.

One of my kids turned down ND for UVA in state. I think it made a lot of sense money-wise, but I’m not going to say that UVA is a better school. It isn’t.

Thanks for your opinion.

By what objective measure is UVA better?

ND. Well, for starters UVA sends more Rhodes, Marshall and Fulbrights overseas than ND by far. Ask anyone at Oxford.

Well, of the first 1,500 Rhodes scholarships awarded to Americans, only 12 came from Catholic colleges. (And none of those were women, so consider that when evaluating Wellesley and other women's schools or schools that were early coed schools.)

Surely you jest! I’ll go pull up the real stats and post back

UVA and Notre Dame both had two Rhodes Scholars in 2017. UVA had another in 2019, then both UVA and ND had another in 2020.

Neck and neck.

Try again. UVA: How many Rhodes scholars has UVA had?
University of Virginia has had 53 Rhodes Scholarship winners. That's the most of any college or university in the South, the eighth most of any school overall, and the third most of any non-Ivy League university.Jun 8, 2021". Notre Dame doesn't even produce one every year. UVA usually has two a year. Why don't you google before posting?

As I've said before, yes, historically UVA has had more Rhodes Scholars than ND (and more than almost any other school outside of the Ivies), but in recent years -- as ND's academic reputation has improved -- they've become neck and neck. It's also not even remotely true that UVA "usually has two." It's rare that they have two; often they don't even have one. The Rhodes has been around for 120 years; UVA has had 55 over that stretch; that's an average of one every other year, which is less than "usually two.."

You lost the argument. And yes UVA gets a Rhodes and a Marshall every year and quite often two Rhodes. You can play selective games all you want but UVA students get more overseas scholarships than ND.

LOL, I just gave you the facts: UVA has gotten 17 Rhodes in the last 40 years and in the last 40 years has won two Rhodes in the same year three times. That's not a Rhodes "every year," and if three times in 40 years means "quite often two Rhodes" then Notre Dame also gets "quite often two Rhodes" because it has won two Rhodes in the same year JUST AS OFTEN as UVA!

Obviously you weren't a Rhodes winner.

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UVA >>> Notre Dame

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Anonymous wrote:UVA >>> Notre Dame

UVA === Notre Dame

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Anonymous wrote:UVA >>> Notre Dame

UVA === Notre Dame

Holistically:

Notre Dame >>> UVA

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ND's acceptance rate is higher when compared to peers.

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Do people really choose a college based on the number of Rhodes scholars?

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Anonymous wrote:Do people really choose a college based on the number of Rhodes scholars?

They do if their child wants to go to Oxford. Also the Marshall.

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I think it's UVA > Notre Dame just by a bit

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Why is everyone in the DMV obsessed with the same few schools. It’s so weird. You all sound ridiculous arguing over which of these selective, expensive colleges is “the best”. Good lord, give it a rest.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people really choose a college based on the number of Rhodes scholars?

No one. Well, maybe one person.