Initiative 81

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If Super PACS are spending this kind of money, you can guarantee that they are paying people to post to blogs like this one, pushing their pro drugs agenda. Some of the replies you read on this site are right out of the Trump playbook: aggressive and nasty, and kicking below the belt. Cheap shots.

Who are these mysterious pacs? Is it Qanon? I, myself, only contribute to private prison supporting pacs. I’m excited that you’re taking such a common sense but hostile approach to the potential reform of laws that keep poor folks out of prison for long periods of time. Rather than them seeking medical treatment, which we all know doesn’t work, and may cause us valuable beds, we need to double down on our current approach which has been a tremendous success.

This isn’t outside groups. This is about a lady, a district employee, who’s depression was cured by mushrooms. Yes, mushrooms. I know it sounds nuts because your knee jerk reaction is outrage at that possibility, but it’s true.

Are you saying that you personally contributed money to the super PAC? hate to break it to you put super PAC money is outside money. It is hidden. You do not know who is funneling it through and it is used for pushing an agenda. There is no way that the tiny population of DC would be able to fund that kind of an initiative on their own. This is dirty money pushing this initiative down DC residents throats. It is not good.

You are fixated on outside groups. No. No. No. I am just someone posting here who is sick of locking people up for a plant that is healthier and less deadly than alcohol. I am not with a pac. I have tried mushrooms. They’re fun and did help with my depression. If you haven’t tried them, once they’re legal I recommend you do, but in a safe supportive environment when you’re in a good state of mind. More specifically, it doesn’t matter what I personally believe, the stats show more support for initiative 81 than against, so we’re probably just spinning our wheels. I’m simply trying to inform you that mushrooms aren’t bad. Racist drug laws started in the 1920’s, and in the 60’s pushed by Nixon to further isolate blacks, caused much of the problem. Marijuana and mushrooms simply aren’t crack cocaine. So keep pushing your outdated narrative that young people eschew. You’re going to lose at the ballot box, so I want you to be a bit better informed on the subject to help assuage your fears.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Super PACS are spending this kind of money, you can guarantee that they are paying people to post to blogs like this one, pushing their pro drugs agenda. Some of the replies you read on this site are right out of the Trump playbook: aggressive and nasty, and kicking below the belt. Cheap shots.

I’m not quite offended, but more bemused you would equate support for progressive drug policy with the trump administration, who are draconian in their approach to drug laws. You should read up more on this topic rather than first assume a defensive, reactionary position.

Mushrooms have been legalized in Holland. They’re legal in many places around the world (Bali etc) and there simply isn’t the type of fatalistic societal impact you seem to envision. No gets addicted to tripping. It’s simply not habit forming. In fact, I would totally advocate for everyone to trip once a year in a nice calm natural environment to reset themselves from the frantic career focused hubbub of this town.

Trump has not enforced any federal legislation on pot. Had you not noticed? he has decided also to turn a blind eye an allow states to sell and distribute this drug. You may also want to read newspapers once in a while and stop getting your news from social media sites.

So, how much do you get paid to post such drivel? "I would totally advocate for everyone to trip once a year in a nice calm natural environment to reset themselves from the frantic career focused hubbub of this town." Seriously???

Yes, I definitely advocate people trip once a year on mushrooms. You seem to have no clue about them, so you’re denigrating them comes from
A place of ignorance.

Regarding Trump. He is a dipsht who hired a 24 year old to run his drug policy office. Trump is a narcissist, with a cabinet full of evangelical wackadoodles, who are essentially strident drug warriors. Trump has taken a hands off approach to marijuana, even when Barr and Sessions have tried to crack down, because he has some some semblance of how the wind is blowing based on so many states already having legalized and it’s such a popular, and revenue creating endeavor. Trump’s staff also, for “moral” reasons rather than scientific reasons tried to limit these use of suboxane to save lives of people overdosing on OxyContin or heroin. All the science shows that’s terrible policy. Anyway, here is trump on drug policy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/meet-the-24-year-old-trump-campaign-worker-appointed-to-help-lead-the-governments-drug-policy-office/2018/01/13/abdada34-f64e-11e7-91af-31ac729add94_story.html

When Biden’s president it will be much better for drug laws than trump. So get used to it.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Super PACS are spending this kind of money, you can guarantee that they are paying people to post to blogs like this one, pushing their pro drugs agenda. Some of the replies you read on this site are right out of the Trump playbook: aggressive and nasty, and kicking below the belt. Cheap shots.

Who are these mysterious pacs? Is it Qanon? I, myself, only contribute to private prison supporting pacs. I’m excited that you’re taking such a common sense but hostile approach to the potential reform of laws that keep poor folks out of prison for long periods of time. Rather than them seeking medical treatment, which we all know doesn’t work, and may cause us valuable beds, we need to double down on our current approach which has been a tremendous success.

This isn’t outside groups. This is about a lady, a district employee, who’s depression was cured by mushrooms. Yes, mushrooms. I know it sounds nuts because your knee jerk reaction is outrage at that possibility, but it’s true.

Are you saying that you personally contributed money to the super PAC? hate to break it to you put super PAC money is outside money. It is hidden. You do not know who is funneling it through and it is used for pushing an agenda. There is no way that the tiny population of DC would be able to fund that kind of an initiative on their own. This is dirty money pushing this initiative down DC residents throats. It is not good.

You are fixated on outside groups. No. No. No. I am just someone posting here who is sick of locking people up for a plant that is healthier and less deadly than alcohol. I am not with a pac. I have tried mushrooms. They’re fun and did help with my depression. If you haven’t tried them, once they’re legal I recommend you do, but in a safe supportive environment when you’re in a good state of mind. More specifically, it doesn’t matter what I personally believe, the stats show more support for initiative 81 than against, so we’re probably just spinning our wheels. I’m simply trying to inform you that mushrooms aren’t bad. Racist drug laws started in the 1920’s, and in the 60’s pushed by Nixon to further isolate blacks, caused much of the problem. Marijuana and mushrooms simply aren’t crack cocaine. So keep pushing your outdated narrative that young people eschew. You’re going to lose at the ballot box, so I want you to be a bit better informed on the subject to help assuage your fears.

Listen buddy, I believe you. I have heard it from pot heads when I was a teenager, and from NPR. But for me it is NOT the issue. DC's relaxed enforcement of laws, and unwillingness to enforce the current laws (especially around public consumption of pot and alcohol, is the issue. If the Mayor and council were actually enforcing the law, then I would have voted YES. But since they have a REALLY bad track record at enforcement, it was a NO VOTE for us and our family.

[Anonymous]

It is obvious that the next step will be taxation, and that is what political figures want. Then of course prostitution. The ball is already rolling so voting Yes for prop 81 is a step in that direction. Be ready.

[Anonymous]

I am voting no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is obvious that the next step will be taxation, and that is what political figures want. Then of course prostitution. The ball is already rolling so voting Yes for prop 81 is a step in that direction. Be ready.

The next step after a basically non-binding statement of public preferences for policing priorities is taxation?

[Anonymous]

Agree about 75%, especially the part about this forum being used to push the legalization.

Posts speaking against further legalization of street drugs disappear with sad regularity, as do anyone’s posts critical of the current excesses of legal weed.

It’s clear the mods and/or proprietor of this forum are putting a lot of thumbs on the scale when it comes to the issue of drugs.

That’s not happening with money involved somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree about 75%, especially the part about this forum being used to push the legalization.

Posts speaking against further legalization of street drugs disappear with sad regularity, as do anyone’s posts critical of the current excesses of legal weed.

It’s clear the mods and/or proprietor of this forum are putting a lot of thumbs on the scale when it comes to the issue of drugs.

That’s not happening with money involved somewhere.

So I am NOT the only one to have noticed! I have seen threads started expressing concerns with the way drugs laws are ignored in DC and those posts vanish almost immediately. A few weeks back I posted a thread, it disappeared, than the computer I was using was blocked from accessing the site.

This is some pretty heavy handed censorship!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am voting no.

Down with Initiative 81!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree about 75%, especially the part about this forum being used to push the legalization.

Posts speaking against further legalization of street drugs disappear with sad regularity, as do anyone’s posts critical of the current excesses of legal weed.

It’s clear the mods and/or proprietor of this forum are putting a lot of thumbs on the scale when it comes to the issue of drugs.

That’s not happening with money involved somewhere.

So I am NOT the only one to have noticed! I have seen threads started expressing concerns with the way drugs laws are ignored in DC and those posts vanish almost immediately. A few weeks back I posted a thread, it disappeared, than the computer I was using was blocked from accessing the site.

This is some pretty heavy handed censorship!

There are three posts on those topics on with about 300 comments between them in the month of October, not counting this one. Many comments were expressing concerns. I have no idea what happened in your specific case, but there's been a ton of discussion about DC drug laws in this site.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree about 75%, especially the part about this forum being used to push the legalization.

Posts speaking against further legalization of street drugs disappear with sad regularity, as do anyone’s posts critical of the current excesses of legal weed.

It’s clear the mods and/or proprietor of this forum are putting a lot of thumbs on the scale when it comes to the issue of drugs.

That’s not happening with money involved somewhere.

So I am NOT the only one to have noticed! I have seen threads started expressing concerns with the way drugs laws are ignored in DC and those posts vanish almost immediately. A few weeks back I posted a thread, it disappeared, than the computer I was using was blocked from accessing the site.

This is some pretty heavy handed censorship!

There are three posts on those topics on with about 300 comments between them in the month of October, not counting this one. Many comments were expressing concerns. I have no idea what happened in your specific case, but there's been a ton of discussion about DC drug laws in this site.

Well, sorry but I have noticed it and through I was crazy. But It happened multiple times where topics I started were deleted immediately, then the device was blocked from accessing the site.

But really, this is a weird site. Everyone is anonymous. Never seen or participated in this kind of a forum before. It feels like we are doing something wrong. Most forums you sign in, and there is accountability. Not here...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree about 75%, especially the part about this forum being used to push the legalization.

Posts speaking against further legalization of street drugs disappear with sad regularity, as do anyone’s posts critical of the current excesses of legal weed.

It’s clear the mods and/or proprietor of this forum are putting a lot of thumbs on the scale when it comes to the issue of drugs.

That’s not happening with money involved somewhere.

What’s with all the accusations of big money conspiracies? Could it be that some people, who have researched the issue, or done mushrooms themselves, are rational beings who can process the issue with critical reasoning and decide that legalization is a good option? This is why I am so sick of so many people in 2020. There are so many fking conspiracy theorists. Just because someone writes that legalizing shrooms is okay, from a criminal justice perspective, doesn’t mean their an agent of special interests. Get a grip.

I’m voting yes on this because I have kids, have done mushrooms in the past, realize mushrooms, on the scale of harm, are pretty benign in the right circumstances (not with kids around obviously) and you should jail people for them.

I hope you objectors don’t actually live in the district. I doubt you do and are probably trolls from Tysons Corner or something. Either way, you won’t win this issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree about 75%, especially the part about this forum being used to push the legalization.

Posts speaking against further legalization of street drugs disappear with sad regularity, as do anyone’s posts critical of the current excesses of legal weed.

It’s clear the mods and/or proprietor of this forum are putting a lot of thumbs on the scale when it comes to the issue of drugs.

That’s not happening with money involved somewhere.

What’s with all the accusations of big money conspiracies? Could it be that some people, who have researched the issue, or done mushrooms themselves, are rational beings who can process the issue with critical reasoning and decide that legalization is a good option? This is why I am so sick of so many people in 2020. There are so many fking conspiracy theorists. Just because someone writes that legalizing shrooms is okay, from a criminal justice perspective, doesn’t mean their an agent of special interests. Get a grip.

I’m voting yes on this because I have kids, have done mushrooms in the past, realize mushrooms, on the scale of harm, are pretty benign in the right circumstances (not with kids around obviously) and you should jail people for them.

I hope you objectors don’t actually live in the district. I doubt you do and are probably trolls from Tysons Corner or something. Either way, you won’t win this issue.

sorry. They’re.

[Anonymous]

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The result is going to be drug tourism. People will come to DC to get high and stoned, and trip. they will do so in public. It will not be good.

In order to have drug tourism, you need a market. Initiative 81 does not establish a market for psychedelics.

Further, DC can't establish government sanctioned recreational drug sales. Though Initiative 71 was passed in 2014, DC cannot establish dispensaries for recreational use because Congress has blocked us from doing so. You may have noticed that we do not currently have an issue with drug tourism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The result is going to be drug tourism. People will come to DC to get high and stoned, and trip. they will do so in public. It will not be good.

In order to have drug tourism, you need a market. Initiative 81 does not establish a market for psychedelics.

Further, DC can't establish government sanctioned recreational drug sales. Though Initiative 71 was passed in 2014, DC cannot establish dispensaries for recreational use because Congress has blocked us from doing so. You may have noticed that we do not currently have an issue with drug tourism.

I’m amused with all the fatalism in this thread. I’m also sipping tea, enjoying a relaxing evening and content in the knowledge that initiative 81 will pass and all will be well. My thoughts to you folks who are wringing your concerned little hands about this. It’s done. It’s all good.