Initiative 81

[Anonymous]

I'm looking for info on Initiative 81, which would make enforcement against "natural medicine" a low priority. This seems to be about mushrooms. What's the underlying issue--and why is this a ballot initiative rather than something the council would legislate?

[Anonymous]

Read the law. it is not good. It is essentially pushing to legalize distribution, cultivation, open use of the drug. Seeing how the whole pot 'decriminalization' thing went and how DC has decided not to enforce any laws around it (open use), it is probably a bad idea to vote for it.

But I have also noticed that the forum moderators here seem to have a push to legalize and are suppressing any negative publicity or new topics about the initiative as soon as they go up. This forum must be receive money from the Super PACs that are pouring money into the push to legalize. They are nearing $1 million spent so far to push this idiotic law. That should make you think about why outside money is trying to push DC to legalize. Probably same people who do not want DC to ever become a state.

[Anonymous]

Another, converse take is that psychedelics and notably mushrooms I’ve been shown in NIH studies and other peer reviewed medical studies to have extremely beneficial effects on PTSD and depression. Currently, money is being spent to jail people for ingesting a plant. Mushrooms have no addictive qualities to them. We should not be wasting tax dollars on arresting and shutting away employable people in violent institutions for what is essentially effectively a victimless crime. A drug war has been waged for nearly 100 years to no effect, other than to break up families and waste billions and billions of dollars. If you look to Portugal, which has decriminalized all drugs, and put the emphasis on treatment of addiction rather than on jail time, the statistics show much more beneficial outcomes. That said, on a scale of harm established by the British NHS, psychedelics and marijuana have the lowest physical harm rate of any illegal substances. Alcohol is at the top, followed by heroin. Millions of people die by alcohol abuse and drug overdoses. You can’t Od and die with marijuana or mushrooms. So, it’s a choice to grow up, try a new tactics and accept that people should be able to decide what to put in their bodies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Read the law. it is not good. It is essentially pushing to legalize distribution, cultivation, open use of the drug. Seeing how the whole pot 'decriminalization' thing went and how DC has decided not to enforce any laws around it (open use), it is probably a bad idea to vote for it.

But I have also noticed that the forum moderators here seem to have a push to legalize and are suppressing any negative publicity or new topics about the initiative as soon as they go up. This forum must be receive money from the Super PACs that are pouring money into the push to legalize. They are nearing $1 million spent so far to push this idiotic law. That should make you think about why outside money is trying to push DC to legalize. Probably same people who do not want DC to ever become a state.

How do you tie pacs who don’t want dc to be a state to support for decriminalizing or lowering criminal punishment for mushrooms? It would seem the educated proponents of initiative 81 are also capable of critical reasoning and could reasonably be in favor of dc statehood. It seems an absurd comparison, but we live in post truth era, so you can push as many alternative facts or baseless conspiracy theories as you want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Read the law. it is not good. It is essentially pushing to legalize distribution, cultivation, open use of the drug. Seeing how the whole pot 'decriminalization' thing went and how DC has decided not to enforce any laws around it (open use), it is probably a bad idea to vote for it.

But I have also noticed that the forum moderators here seem to have a push to legalize and are suppressing any negative publicity or new topics about the initiative as soon as they go up. This forum must be receive money from the Super PACs that are pouring money into the push to legalize. They are nearing $1 million spent so far to push this idiotic law. That should make you think about why outside money is trying to push DC to legalize. Probably same people who do not want DC to ever become a state.

How do you tie pacs who don’t want dc to be a state to support for decriminalizing or lowering criminal punishment for mushrooms? It would seem the educated proponents of initiative 81 are also capable of critical reasoning and could reasonably be in favor of dc statehood. It seems an absurd comparison, but we live in post truth era, so you can push as many alternative facts or baseless conspiracy theories as you want.

God.

[Anonymous]

Are there ANY statistics about the arrest of people on these type of hallucinogenic drugs? I have never read any reports in newspapers, blogs etc about people getting arrested. This seems like OUTSIDE groups pushing their agenda that many people do not favor.

DC is not good at enforcement. I voted for Initiative 71, with the assumption that it would not be permitted in public. It is not, but the Council, Mayor have decided to turn a blind eye and allow it. So everywhere I go, with my children in tow, you see people dealing, rolling, smoking, completely high. Not really the kind of city I want to live in.

The result is going to be drug tourism. People will come to DC to get high and stoned, and trip. they will do so in public. It will not be good.

[Anonymous]

If Super PACS are spending this kind of money, you can guarantee that they are paying people to post to blogs like this one, pushing their pro drugs agenda. Some of the replies you read on this site are right out of the Trump playbook: aggressive and nasty, and kicking below the belt. Cheap shots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Super PACS are spending this kind of money, you can guarantee that they are paying people to post to blogs like this one, pushing their pro drugs agenda. Some of the replies you read on this site are right out of the Trump playbook: aggressive and nasty, and kicking below the belt. Cheap shots.

Who are these mysterious pacs? Is it Qanon? I, myself, only contribute to private prison supporting pacs. I’m excited that you’re taking such a common sense but hostile approach to the potential reform of laws that keep poor folks out of prison for long periods of time. Rather than them seeking medical treatment, which we all know doesn’t work, and may cause us valuable beds, we need to double down on our current approach which has been a tremendous success.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are there ANY statistics about the arrest of people on these type of hallucinogenic drugs? I have never read any reports in newspapers, blogs etc about people getting arrested. This seems like OUTSIDE groups pushing their agenda that many people do not favor.

DC is not good at enforcement. I voted for Initiative 71, with the assumption that it would not be permitted in public. It is not, but the Council, Mayor have decided to turn a blind eye and allow it. So everywhere I go, with my children in tow, you see people dealing, rolling, smoking, completely high. Not really the kind of city I want to live in.

The result is going to be drug tourism. People will come to DC to get high and stoned, and trip. they will do so in public. It will not be good.

I know, right. What drugged out doobie pusher wouldn’t want to come to DC, eat an 8th of boomers and stumble around maniacally laughing at groups of Midwestern tourists in MAGA hats? And that’s exactly what will happen. We need to crack down harder on any form of deviance! The war on drugs will be a success if we just keep fighting it for another 8 decades or so!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Super PACS are spending this kind of money, you can guarantee that they are paying people to post to blogs like this one, pushing their pro drugs agenda. Some of the replies you read on this site are right out of the Trump playbook: aggressive and nasty, and kicking below the belt. Cheap shots.

Who are these mysterious pacs? Is it Qanon? I, myself, only contribute to private prison supporting pacs. I’m excited that you’re taking such a common sense but hostile approach to the potential reform of laws that keep poor folks out of prison for long periods of time. Rather than them seeking medical treatment, which we all know doesn’t work, and may cause us valuable beds, we need to double down on our current approach which has been a tremendous success.

This isn’t outside groups. This is about a lady, a district employee, who’s depression was cured by mushrooms. Yes, mushrooms. I know it sounds nuts because your knee jerk reaction is outrage at that possibility, but it’s true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Super PACS are spending this kind of money, you can guarantee that they are paying people to post to blogs like this one, pushing their pro drugs agenda. Some of the replies you read on this site are right out of the Trump playbook: aggressive and nasty, and kicking below the belt. Cheap shots.

Who are these mysterious pacs? Is it Qanon? I, myself, only contribute to private prison supporting pacs. I’m excited that you’re taking such a common sense but hostile approach to the potential reform of laws that keep poor folks out of prison for long periods of time. Rather than them seeking medical treatment, which we all know doesn’t work, and may cause us valuable beds, we need to double down on our current approach which has been a tremendous success.

This isn’t outside groups. This is about a lady, a district employee, who’s depression was cured by mushrooms. Yes, mushrooms. I know it sounds nuts because your knee jerk reaction is outrage at that possibility, but it’s true.

This is insightful: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-mushroom-decriminalization/2020/10/08/b19a1a70-0712-11eb-991c-be6ead8c4018_story.html

Mason Marks, an attorney and physician who teaches health law at Harvard Law School, said “there will still be many critics, but it’s difficult to argue that decriminalization is a bad idea.” Racial justice protests over police shootings that galvanized the nation this summer have made the ballot initiative more relevant, he said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Super PACS are spending this kind of money, you can guarantee that they are paying people to post to blogs like this one, pushing their pro drugs agenda. Some of the replies you read on this site are right out of the Trump playbook: aggressive and nasty, and kicking below the belt. Cheap shots.

Who are these mysterious pacs? Is it Qanon? I, myself, only contribute to private prison supporting pacs. I’m excited that you’re taking such a common sense but hostile approach to the potential reform of laws that keep poor folks out of prison for long periods of time. Rather than them seeking medical treatment, which we all know doesn’t work, and may cause us valuable beds, we need to double down on our current approach which has been a tremendous success.

This isn’t outside groups. This is about a lady, a district employee, who’s depression was cured by mushrooms. Yes, mushrooms. I know it sounds nuts because your knee jerk reaction is outrage at that possibility, but it’s true.

Are you saying that you personally contributed money to the super PAC? hate to break it to you put super PAC money is outside money. It is hidden. You do not know who is funneling it through and it is used for pushing an agenda. There is no way that the tiny population of DC would be able to fund that kind of an initiative on their own. This is dirty money pushing this initiative down DC residents throats. It is not good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Super PACS are spending this kind of money, you can guarantee that they are paying people to post to blogs like this one, pushing their pro drugs agenda. Some of the replies you read on this site are right out of the Trump playbook: aggressive and nasty, and kicking below the belt. Cheap shots.

I’m not quite offended, but more bemused you would equate support for progressive drug policy with the trump administration, who are draconian in their approach to drug laws. You should read up more on this topic rather than first assume a defensive, reactionary position.

Mushrooms have been legalized in Holland. They’re legal in many places around the world (Bali etc) and there simply isn’t the type of fatalistic societal impact you seem to envision. No gets addicted to tripping. It’s simply not habit forming. In fact, I would totally advocate for everyone to trip once a year in a nice calm natural environment to reset themselves from the frantic career focused hubbub of this town.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Super PACS are spending this kind of money, you can guarantee that they are paying people to post to blogs like this one, pushing their pro drugs agenda. Some of the replies you read on this site are right out of the Trump playbook: aggressive and nasty, and kicking below the belt. Cheap shots.

Who are these mysterious pacs? Is it Qanon? I, myself, only contribute to private prison supporting pacs. I’m excited that you’re taking such a common sense but hostile approach to the potential reform of laws that keep poor folks out of prison for long periods of time. Rather than them seeking medical treatment, which we all know doesn’t work, and may cause us valuable beds, we need to double down on our current approach which has been a tremendous success.

This isn’t outside groups. This is about a lady, a district employee, who’s depression was cured by mushrooms. Yes, mushrooms. I know it sounds nuts because your knee jerk reaction is outrage at that possibility, but it’s true.

This is insightful: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-mushroom-decriminalization/2020/10/08/b19a1a70-0712-11eb-991c-be6ead8c4018_story.html

Mason Marks, an attorney and physician who teaches health law at Harvard Law School, said “there will still be many critics, but it’s difficult to argue that decriminalization is a bad idea.” Racial justice protests over police shootings that galvanized the nation this summer have made the ballot initiative more relevant, he said.

Comment section of that post article is worth reading too.

I am not opposed to decriminalization, but I want it done properly, and minimum laws enforced. If the initiative 71 decriminalizing pot is any indication, DC will also refuse to enforce the mushroom law and people will be tripping in public, just like the roll and smoke in front of schools now. No thanks. not until the Mayor gets a backbone and starts enforcing at least 10% of our laws, especially those around drugs and alcohol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Super PACS are spending this kind of money, you can guarantee that they are paying people to post to blogs like this one, pushing their pro drugs agenda. Some of the replies you read on this site are right out of the Trump playbook: aggressive and nasty, and kicking below the belt. Cheap shots.

I’m not quite offended, but more bemused you would equate support for progressive drug policy with the trump administration, who are draconian in their approach to drug laws. You should read up more on this topic rather than first assume a defensive, reactionary position.

Mushrooms have been legalized in Holland. They’re legal in many places around the world (Bali etc) and there simply isn’t the type of fatalistic societal impact you seem to envision. No gets addicted to tripping. It’s simply not habit forming. In fact, I would totally advocate for everyone to trip once a year in a nice calm natural environment to reset themselves from the frantic career focused hubbub of this town.

Trump has not enforced any federal legislation on pot. Had you not noticed? he has decided also to turn a blind eye an allow states to sell and distribute this drug. You may also want to read newspapers once in a while and stop getting your news from social media sites.

So, how much do you get paid to post such drivel? "I would totally advocate for everyone to trip once a year in a nice calm natural environment to reset themselves from the frantic career focused hubbub of this town." Seriously???