UVA early action question

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Anonymous wrote:Should my kid apply early action or the regular cycle for UVA?

High SAT (1500)
Good extracurriculars
Rigorous courseload (all weighted/AP classes when offered in all core subjects)

Meh GPA, her weighted is just below 4.0.

UVA is the top choice but I think the GPA is too low. Should my kid wait for a grading period, as senior grades are looking at all As, maybe one B. Trying to decide as transcript requests are due next week.

Thanks for any thoughts or wisdom.

The GPA is way too low for UVA. It's not happening unfortunately.

+1. Your kid only gets a half year credit for admissions senior year. . They manage a 4.4 and they are looking at below a 4.05. A 4.6 1st semester gets them below a a 4.1. WM might be possible with the heavy weighting on SATs. A 4.1 won’t get your kid in even from TJ. And if you kid is below a 4.0, either they can handle the rigor and wind get the 4.3 or 4.6. Or the screwed around for three years.

Do your kid a favor, sit down with Naviance and tell them the cold hard reality before all their friends get in. Then aim for WM— RD with great 1st semester grades (still a reach, but the emphasize test scores more), VT, JMU, CNU, etc. or look at NOVA and transfer.

But you kid just isn’t getting in. It’s cruel to let them spend all year thinking they can.

I’m assuming an unhooked NOVA kid.

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We did look at naviance. WM is a pretty good shot from her school for both GPA and SAT.

UVA is borderline/reach with this SAT based off naviance if she can get her grades up above a 4.0.

It is her favorite of all the schools we toured. She had a really rotten semester early on, and has been working hard to redeem herself. If she doesn't get accepted there, so be it. But it does sound like her best shot is to wait for regular decision and throw the dice.

Thanks for all the input.

Just do the guaranteed transfer program at NVCC. Meet some pretty easy criteria and, voila, you’re a UVA student. And no...there’s no stigma in starting at NVCC.

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Or the UVa-Wise option.

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Submit the transcript request form now. If you apply Nov 1, the GC will send records soon thereafter. If you don’t, just let the school know. They can’t submit scores until after you apply anyway. If you apply Jan 1, ur school GC will figure it out and submit 1st qtr grades. They want you to win. You don’t be penalized for Changing your mind. The jus have deadlines in place because there are a lot of kids and moving pieces.

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No FCPS/ APS public school had unhooked UVA admits with anything below about a 4.2W. And that’s dicey. My kids at TJ and it’s a 4.2-4.3.

She may love it. She needs a solid Plan B.

And no one knows yet how EA will play out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No FCPS/ APS public school had unhooked UVA admits with anything below about a 4.2W. And that’s dicey. My kids at TJ and it’s a 4.2-4.3.

She may love it. She needs a solid Plan B.

And no one knows yet how EA will play out.

How can you know that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No FCPS/ APS public school had unhooked UVA admits with anything below about a 4.2W. And that’s dicey. My kids at TJ and it’s a 4.2-4.3.

She may love it. She needs a solid Plan B.

And no one knows yet how EA will play out.

How can you know that?

She can't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No FCPS/ APS public school had unhooked UVA admits with anything below about a 4.2W. And that’s dicey. My kids at TJ and it’s a 4.2-4.3.

She may love it. She needs a solid Plan B.

And no one knows yet how EA will play out.

How can you know that?

SCHEV Data. 25% UVA last year was 4.21. And unhooked NOVA kids aren’t getting in at 25% except TJ where GPAs are lower. 25% is URM, legacy, athletes, Z list and ROVA rural. You aren’t safe until 75% as a white or Asian NOVA kid. That’s a 4.49. And UVA says that the care a lot more about GPA than SAT. A 1580 won’t solve a 4.05 GPA at UVA. Maybe at WM. But not UVA.

TJ has the lowest GPAs for in state schools from NOVA because so many classes (Physics 1, WH, intro CS, Geo Systems, etc) are mandatory but aren’t AP and don’t get the AP weight. And they grade very hard. The scattergram says an unhooked kid has no chance at UVA from TJ without a 4.2-4.3. WM— yes. Boys can get in with a 4.0 and 1500+. But UVA priorities GPAs.

But prove me wrong. Find a HS that is not primarily URM and check scattergram. I guarantee the handful of sub 4.2 kids who get the green check from Langley, Oakton, Madison, etc are recruited athletes or big time legacies. And that’s 5-10 out of 400.

You don’t do a kid a favor by pretending a sub 4.0W unhooked FCPS kid will get in based on one great semester. The math isn’t there. So submit an app. Aim for the stars. But have a plan B and don’t let your kid start to think UVA is the only good option. WM might work ED with the SAT. JMU is on the rise. So is CNU. VCU is great for health and arts. Find a plan B.

And BTW— my TJ kid has just over a 4.0. Not even applying to UVA. Doing WM ED with a 1540 SAT and a bump for being a boy. You aren’t the only one with a kid who isn’t getting into UVA.


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So pp is right. You don’t know. You’re just making things up.

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So my unhooked son has no chance at UVA. Sophomore year had all As and A minuses, freshman year, a mix of As, A minus and B plus. Current gpa 4.0. Junior year could get all As. In Calcus BC and getting an A. Has a mix of AP and honors this year. But has chosen to stick with a challenging language and Orchestra, no grade bump. So best case GPA at end of this year is 4.1ish. I thought UVA scutinizes the transcript and excuses the B pluses freshman year.

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Anonymous wrote:So pp is right. You don’t know. You’re just making things up.

Yes. The SCHEV data is completely made up. The bottom quarter of the class (athletes, legacies, teachers kids, Z list, TJ, URM, and rural ROVA) is really a 3.6W, not a 4.21W like they publish and it’s an evil conspiracy to keep your kid from applying. /s.

Come on. You know better. You think white and Asian unhooked NOVA kids are getting into UVA with more than .20 BELOW the 25% mark, while UVA is routinely rejecting 1500+ SAT / 4.5 unhooked/8-10 AP NoVA kids? Numerically, White or Asian Unhooked NoVa is the top 1/3 of the class, with white and Asian affluent OOS filling in the rest. You should know this too.

Do you know kids applying to college? Because no guidance counselor— even at TJ— is telling kids they are safe for UVA. Not with a 4.5, and 10 APs, amd all state music and a 15120 and 3 subject tests above a 700. I do know that. And I have seen amazing kids with these credentials turned down.

If you don’t want to believe your kid could get rejected below a 4.0 GPA, don’t believe. But it’s cruel to egg on a kid with almost no chance of getting in. To encourage them to think of this as their dream school and the only place they could be happy. Because there is a 98% chance her dreams are crushed. Do her a favor and help her see that the odd aren’t in her favor, but there is no harm in trying. Leep expectations reasonable. And have a college she can get into and likes lined up.

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Anonymous wrote:So my unhooked son has no chance at UVA. Sophomore year had all As and A minuses, freshman year, a mix of As, A minus and B plus. Current gpa 4.0. Junior year could get all As. In Calcus BC and getting an A. Has a mix of AP and honors this year. But has chosen to stick with a challenging language and Orchestra, no grade bump. So best case GPA at end of this year is 4.1ish. I thought UVA scutinizes the transcript and excuses the B pluses freshman year.

That isn’t right. My freshman had no APs. Orchestra. Brought in an A in Algebra. Took all honors and came out with 3As, and A-, a B+ and a couple Bs and is just below a 4.0W after freshman year. 1 AP this year, all other honors, Latin and Orchestra and PE. She’ll. Be above a 4.0/4.1 easily. Weak freshman year because of ADHD medication issues. Colleges look at upward trends, and will forgive a couple Bs freshman year a lot faster than junior year.

But the 4.0 isn’t right for a full honors load after sophomore year with those grades.. And junior year— still orchestra and language, but probably 4 APs and pre-Calc. Which will bump her a lot if grades stay up.

It looks to me like you have a TJ load. And that’s a whole different conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So my unhooked son has no chance at UVA. Sophomore year had all As and A minuses, freshman year, a mix of As, A minus and B plus. Current gpa 4.0. Junior year could get all As. In Calcus BC and getting an A. Has a mix of AP and honors this year. But has chosen to stick with a challenging language and Orchestra, no grade bump. So best case GPA at end of this year is 4.1ish. I thought UVA scutinizes the transcript and excuses the B pluses freshman year.

That isn’t right. My freshman had no APs. Orchestra. Brought in an A in Algebra. Took all honors and came out with 3As, and A-, a B+ and a couple Bs and is just below a 4.0W after freshman year. 1 AP this year, all other honors, Latin and Orchestra and PE. She’ll. Be above a 4.0/4.1 easily. Weak freshman year because of ADHD medication issues. Colleges look at upward trends, and will forgive a couple Bs freshman year a lot faster than junior year.

But the 4.0 isn’t right for a full honors load after sophomore year with those grades.. And junior year— still orchestra and language, but probably 4 APs and pre-Calc. Which will bump her a lot if grades stay up.

It looks to me like you have a TJ load. And that’s a whole different conversation.

Or it looks like there were a lot of A- in non-weighted courses that brought down the average.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So pp is right. You don’t know. You’re just making things up.

Yes. The SCHEV data is completely made up. The bottom quarter of the class (athletes, legacies, teachers kids, Z list, TJ, URM, and rural ROVA) is really a 3.6W, not a 4.21W like they publish and it’s an evil conspiracy to keep your kid from applying. /s.

Come on. You know better. You think white and Asian unhooked NOVA kids are getting into UVA with more than .20 BELOW the 25% mark, while UVA is routinely rejecting 1500+ SAT / 4.5 unhooked/8-10 AP NoVA kids? Numerically, White or Asian Unhooked NoVa is the top 1/3 of the class, with white and Asian affluent OOS filling in the rest. You should know this too.

Do you know kids applying to college? Because no guidance counselor— even at TJ— is telling kids they are safe for UVA. Not with a 4.5, and 10 APs, amd all state music and a 15120 and 3 subject tests above a 700. I do know that. And I have seen amazing kids with these credentials turned down.

If you don’t want to believe your kid could get rejected below a 4.0 GPA, don’t believe. But it’s cruel to egg on a kid with almost no chance of getting in. To encourage them to think of this as their dream school and the only place they could be happy. Because there is a 98% chance her dreams are crushed. Do her a favor and help her see that the odd aren’t in her favor, but there is no harm in trying. Leep expectations reasonable. And have a college she can get into and likes lined up.

Your conclusions are irrational, elitist, and racist.

You. Just. Don’t. Know.

You don’t know who the “bottom quarter” of the class is. There is no way for you to know. You are drawing conclusions based on personal beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So pp is right. You don’t know. You’re just making things up.

Yes. The SCHEV data is completely made up. The bottom quarter of the class (athletes, legacies, teachers kids, Z list, TJ, URM, and rural ROVA) is really a 3.6W, not a 4.21W like they publish and it’s an evil conspiracy to keep your kid from applying. /s.

Come on. You know better. You think white and Asian unhooked NOVA kids are getting into UVA with more than .20 BELOW the 25% mark, while UVA is routinely rejecting 1500+ SAT / 4.5 unhooked/8-10 AP NoVA kids? Numerically, White or Asian Unhooked NoVa is the top 1/3 of the class, with white and Asian affluent OOS filling in the rest. You should know this too.

Do you know kids applying to college? Because no guidance counselor— even at TJ— is telling kids they are safe for UVA. Not with a 4.5, and 10 APs, amd all state music and a 15120 and 3 subject tests above a 700. I do know that. And I have seen amazing kids with these credentials turned down.

If you don’t want to believe your kid could get rejected below a 4.0 GPA, don’t believe. But it’s cruel to egg on a kid with almost no chance of getting in. To encourage them to think of this as their dream school and the only place they could be happy. Because there is a 98% chance her dreams are crushed. Do her a favor and help her see that the odd aren’t in her favor, but there is no harm in trying. Leep expectations reasonable. And have a college she can get into and likes lined up.

Your conclusions are irrational, elitist, and racist.

You. Just. Don’t. Know.

You don’t know who the “bottom quarter” of the class is. There is no way for you to know. You are drawing conclusions based on personal beliefs.

It’s none of the above. And anyone who looks at the SCHEV data and Naviance data will tell you this. The data is all there. You may not like it. But it’s there. And whatever you do— don’t look at it. You’ll be shocked to discover is takes a 4.4 to get into UVA from NoVA.

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There is nothing tying the GPA or test scores to race in SCHEV.