UVA early action question

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing tying the GPA or test scores to race in SCHEV.

Nope. But they are in Naviance. I have access to TJ and Chantilly. Both have average GPAs of 4.3-4.4 for admission. Both have a lot of red on the scatter gram until about a 4.5. Chantilly has one kid (out of 200-300 plotted) with a 4.05. Nothing lower admitted, and nobody else for at least another .1 above them.

TJ is 95% white or Asian and less than 2% FARMs. Mostly unhooked. Chantilly is 75% white or Asian and 16% FARMS, and mostly unhooked. These are the numbers it takes for a white or Asian unhooked kid to get in from NOVA. I’m sure if you look at Langley, McLean, Woodson, Oakton, LBSS, W Springfield, Naviance will say that the averages are above a 4.3/ 1450 there too.

The lower GPAs come from high school, with high URMs. But also ROVA HSs that don’t offer 15+ APs. Remember UVA/WM are about 1/3 each NOVA, ROVA and OOS. OOS GPAs are higher than in state. That’s in SCHEV. But ROVAs are lower than NOVA. Because they don’t offer the course loads.

Maybe your kid will be the 1 4.05 out of several hundred admitted. But I wouldn’t count on it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So my unhooked son has no chance at UVA. Sophomore year had all As and A minuses, freshman year, a mix of As, A minus and B plus. Current gpa 4.0. Junior year could get all As. In Calcus BC and getting an A. Has a mix of AP and honors this year. But has chosen to stick with a challenging language and Orchestra, no grade bump. So best case GPA at end of this year is 4.1ish. I thought UVA scutinizes the transcript and excuses the B pluses freshman year.

You need junior year grades and SATs to know that. Lots of kids get a .1 bump or more junior year and a .1 bump senior year. And alangage 4 gets a .5 bump— AP gets a 1.0. So that will help down the line. They don’t have the senior grades when they apply, but the Naviance scores factor in senior year.

And here is a dirty little secret. Your kid can take one non-core class a year P-F. I think it works against your kid, because a 4.0 vs a 4.5 for orchestra averages out to a .01 or less, and the 4 years of As in orchestra looks good. But your kid can take orchestra or language or PE pass fail and not have the unweighted class count.

But my kid and a lot of her friends took summer PE PF. Her GPaa is above a 4.0 as a rising sophomore. The unweighted 4.0 only hurts her. And I doubt colleges care about her summer PE grade (vs Latin 3 grade, which does matter).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So my unhooked son has no chance at UVA. Sophomore year had all As and A minuses, freshman year, a mix of As, A minus and B plus. Current gpa 4.0. Junior year could get all As. In Calcus BC and getting an A. Has a mix of AP and honors this year. But has chosen to stick with a challenging language and Orchestra, no grade bump. So best case GPA at end of this year is 4.1ish. I thought UVA scutinizes the transcript and excuses the B pluses freshman year.

You need junior year grades and SATs to know that. Lots of kids get a .1 bump or more junior year and a .1 bump senior year. And alangage 4 gets a .5 bump— AP gets a 1.0. So that will help down the line. They don’t have the senior grades when they apply, but the Naviance scores factor in senior year.

And here is a dirty little secret. Your kid can take one non-core class a year P-F. I think it works against your kid, because a 4.0 vs a 4.5 for orchestra averages out to a .01 or less, and the 4 years of As in orchestra looks good. But your kid can take orchestra or language or PE pass fail and not have the unweighted class count.

But my kid and a lot of her friends took summer PE PF. Her GPaa is above a 4.0 as a rising sophomore. The unweighted 4.0 only hurts her. And I doubt colleges care about her summer PE grade (vs Latin 3 grade, which does matter).

Also, WM has lower admissions standards for males. That’s in the common data set. And they will take higher SAT/ lower GPA kids, unlike UVA, which will take lower SAT/ higher GPA. Your kid seems to be on track for WM. Certainly for afar— possibly even engineering. He will have great choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing tying the GPA or test scores to race in SCHEV.

Nope. But they are in Naviance. I have access to TJ and Chantilly. Both have average GPAs of 4.3-4.4 for admission. Both have a lot of red on the scatter gram until about a 4.5. Chantilly has one kid (out of 200-300 plotted) with a 4.05. Nothing lower admitted, and nobody else for at least another .1 above them.

TJ is 95% white or Asian and less than 2% FARMs. Mostly unhooked. Chantilly is 75% white or Asian and 16% FARMS, and mostly unhooked. These are the numbers it takes for a white or Asian unhooked kid to get in from NOVA. I’m sure if you look at Langley, McLean, Woodson, Oakton, LBSS, W Springfield, Naviance will say that the averages are above a 4.3/ 1450 there too.

The lower GPAs come from high school, with high URMs. But also ROVA HSs that don’t offer 15+ APs. Remember UVA/WM are about 1/3 each NOVA, ROVA and OOS. OOS GPAs are higher than in state. That’s in SCHEV. But ROVAs are lower than NOVA. Because they don’t offer the course loads.

Maybe your kid will be the 1 4.05 out of several hundred admitted. But I wouldn’t count on it.

I am concerned that think you have a good handle on how statistics work, but you don’t. You can’t draw the conclusions you are posting with the information you have. Please take a minute to quietly think about what you are posting and why you are making these conclusions. If you say this stuff out loud, people are definitely thinking you are foolish (at the least) or racist (at worst).

[Anonymous]

ROVA = How nova people convince themselves that the rest of Virginia is barefoot and toothless.

You think there aren’t schools in Richmond, Tidewater, Roanoke, etc that aren’t offering all the APs? That is ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ROVA = How nova people convince themselves that the rest of Virginia is barefoot and toothless.

You think there aren’t schools in Richmond, Tidewater, Roanoke, etc that aren’t offering all the APs? That is ignorant.

There are also counties that send fewer than 10 kids a year to UVa and don’t have high schools with the critical mass of college bound kids to support more than a few APs. Not knowing that is ignorant. Clearly Hampton Roads, C-vile, etc also offer a lot of APs. But a lot of ROVA doesn’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing tying the GPA or test scores to race in SCHEV.

Nope. But they are in Naviance. I have access to TJ and Chantilly. Both have average GPAs of 4.3-4.4 for admission. Both have a lot of red on the scatter gram until about a 4.5. Chantilly has one kid (out of 200-300 plotted) with a 4.05. Nothing lower admitted, and nobody else for at least another .1 above them.

TJ is 95% white or Asian and less than 2% FARMs. Mostly unhooked. Chantilly is 75% white or Asian and 16% FARMS, and mostly unhooked. These are the numbers it takes for a white or Asian unhooked kid to get in from NOVA. I’m sure if you look at Langley, McLean, Woodson, Oakton, LBSS, W Springfield, Naviance will say that the averages are above a 4.3/ 1450 there too.

The lower GPAs come from high school, with high URMs. But also ROVA HSs that don’t offer 15+ APs. Remember UVA/WM are about 1/3 each NOVA, ROVA and OOS. OOS GPAs are higher than in state. That’s in SCHEV. But ROVAs are lower than NOVA. Because they don’t offer the course loads.

Maybe your kid will be the 1 4.05 out of several hundred admitted. But I wouldn’t count on it.

I am concerned that think you have a good handle on how statistics work, but you don’t. You can’t draw the conclusions you are posting with the information you have. Please take a minute to quietly think about what you are posting and why you are making these conclusions. If you say this stuff out loud, people are definitely thinking you are foolish (at the least) or racist (at worst).

I think that you/OP has a kid from NoVA trying to get into UVA, which values GPA above SATs— with a junior year GPA significantly below 25%.

I also think that if you look at the NoVA scattergrams, some schools have literally no kids admitted to UVA in the last 5 years with a sub 4.0 W GPA, hooked or not. That’s reading a graph.

I think some kids, like recruited athletes, and kids from high schools without many APs and 1st Gen can get in with lower GPAs, and they make up a lot of the bottom 25%.

And so think that as I go through senior year with a TJ kid, the guidance counselors clearly say that unless you hit a 4.5 on GPA, UVA is not a safety school. My kid isn’t even bother to apply and is doing ED WM.

I think so personally know of two kids in the last 2 years who banked on UVA and should not have. Forget being disappointed. They had no college they were accepted in April because they had no safety or true match and wanted an Ivy or UVA (one kid) or a UC or UVA (another kid) and assumed they would be admitted because they were smart and worked hard and had good SATs and and decent GPA, but a few Bs. They had to go to the open list and work with guidance to get placed. Which they did. But not somewhere they wanted to be. And it’s not a position I would want my kid in.

And I think parents should help kids manage expectations. By all means— encourage them to dream big and reach for the stars. But make sure they are realistic about their chances at an Ivy or UC or UVA. Make sure they have a safety they can live with. Make sure they don’t get so invested in UvA that not getting in will crush them. Especially if they have a lower GPA.

I’m interested in why you are so insistent that an unhooked NoVA kid with a GPA below a 4.0 will get into UVA, when a look at your schools scattergram will tell you it is very highly unlikely? It’s your kids college. Not yours. Why are you insisting a miracle will happen instead of helping your kid create a balanced, realistic list of schools they like, and where they will do well?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should my kid apply early action or the regular cycle for UVA?

High SAT (1500)
Good extracurriculars
Rigorous courseload (all weighted/AP classes when offered in all core subjects)

Meh GPA, her weighted is just below 4.0.

UVA is the top choice but I think the GPA is too low. Should my kid wait for a grading period, as senior grades are looking at all As, maybe one B. Trying to decide as transcript requests are due next week.

Thanks for any thoughts or wisdom.

The GPA is way too low for UVA. It's not happening unfortunately.

From NOVA? Not a chance. And that 4.0 GPA means she got solid B’s in all those APs. Plenty of NOVA kids in front of her who got A’s in those classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing tying the GPA or test scores to race in SCHEV.

Nope. But they are in Naviance. I have access to TJ and Chantilly. Both have average GPAs of 4.3-4.4 for admission. Both have a lot of red on the scatter gram until about a 4.5. Chantilly has one kid (out of 200-300 plotted) with a 4.05. Nothing lower admitted, and nobody else for at least another .1 above them.

TJ is 95% white or Asian and less than 2% FARMs. Mostly unhooked. Chantilly is 75% white or Asian and 16% FARMS, and mostly unhooked. These are the numbers it takes for a white or Asian unhooked kid to get in from NOVA. I’m sure if you look at Langley, McLean, Woodson, Oakton, LBSS, W Springfield, Naviance will say that the averages are above a 4.3/ 1450 there too.

The lower GPAs come from high school, with high URMs. But also ROVA HSs that don’t offer 15+ APs. Remember UVA/WM are about 1/3 each NOVA, ROVA and OOS. OOS GPAs are higher than in state. That’s in SCHEV. But ROVAs are lower than NOVA. Because they don’t offer the course loads.

Maybe your kid will be the 1 4.05 out of several hundred admitted. But I wouldn’t count on it.

A different poster than the one you’re going back-and-forth with, but you, my dear, is the nut case here.

I am concerned that think you have a good handle on how statistics work, but you don’t. You can’t draw the conclusions you are posting with the information you have. Please take a minute to quietly think about what you are posting and why you are making these conclusions. If you say this stuff out loud, people are definitely thinking you are foolish (at the least) or racist (at worst).

[Anonymous]

My post got buried — I am a different poster than the one you’re going back-and-forth with, but you (the one claiming racism) my dear, is the nut case here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ROVA = How nova people convince themselves that the rest of Virginia is barefoot and toothless.

You think there aren’t schools in Richmond, Tidewater, Roanoke, etc that aren’t offering all the APs? That is ignorant.

There are also counties that send fewer than 10 kids a year to UVa and don’t have high schools with the critical mass of college bound kids to support more than a few APs. Not knowing that is ignorant. Clearly Hampton Roads, C-vile, etc also offer a lot of APs. But a lot of ROVA doesn’t.

Some counties send zero or one student to UVA each year.

[Anonymous]

Dear OP - I'm a NP. The person posting about the SCHEV statistics is correct, unfortunately your daughter's GPA is too low for a safe EA (or ED) application to UVA. The bottom 25% median of last month's class had a GPA of 4.21 (top 75% at 4.49). So your daughter's weighted GPA would put her at the bottom of this year's entering class. Here's the SCHEV stats. for UVA http://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. Could she do it? Sure, there might be something in the application that charms admissions but remember they receive over 40,000 applications. Also the SCHEV stats are of those students who entered the University. The actual statistics for general acceptance are higher because some lucky Virginians use UVA as a safety but then go IVy or SLAC after being accepted. Best of luck!