Gang Activity in Mt. Pleasant

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Anonymous wrote:Seems OP was right

What was the OP right about? We have no information about the immigration status of the "gangs" other than what some bystanders yelled and they have no way of knowing. Hispanics in Mt. Pleasant are likely to be Salvadoran, not Mexican. And, based on the description of the event, no crimes were committed.

OP may not be aware, but there have been several ICE raids in the Mt. Pleasant area lately. It is likely that the bystanders thought that what was going on. Hence their reaction. Beyond that, what sounds like proactive policing may have prevented violence. Or, maybe not, since we only have that single account to go by.

[Anonymous]

According to MPD it was proactive policing that saved the day. Congratulations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to MPD it was proactive policing that saved the day. Congratulations.

Yes. Sheesh. The police can’t win. Do their jobs right and still yelled at.

[Anonymous]

Thanks OP for informing the people on this board. Some of us don’t just bury our heads in the sand or pretend roses grow out of concrete sidewalks. It’s important that MPD do their job. Thankfully no one was hurt—-immigrant or innocent bystanders. We don’t know if these gang members had weapons on them. MPD should have had each one of them searched. There was just a drive by shooting of gang members which saw a ten year old girl lose her life and other innocent bystanders get shot. Again,I’m grateful that no was hurt, but Mt. Pleasant is a very criminal enriched activity hotbed, alongside Columbia Heights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks OP for informing the people on this board. Some of us don’t just bury our heads in the sand or pretend roses grow out of concrete sidewalks. It’s important that MPD do their job. Thankfully no one was hurt—-immigrant or innocent bystanders. We don’t know if these gang members had weapons on them. MPD should have had each one of them searched. There was just a drive by shooting of gang members which saw a ten year old girl lose her life and other innocent bystanders get shot. Again,I’m grateful that no was hurt, but Mt. Pleasant is a very criminal enriched activity hotbed, alongside Columbia Heights.

...yes, 8 miles away in Lincoln Heights. Do you even live in DC?

I live in Mount Pleasant, am out in the neighborhood on a regular basis, and don't see glaring signs of gang activity. It's unfortunate that, given our current discourse, some think that being brown = being illegal and/or a criminal. There are plenty of Latinos in Mount Pleasant (who were here LONG before I joined the community) and 99.9% of them mind their own business and appear to be law-abiding individuals (although I sense you'd pick a fight with me over whether they are "law-abiding" if they aren't US citizens).

If anything, seeing a fight or criminal activity at 16th and Irving is usually related to a scuffle between teenagers who go to Lincoln/Bell or something that spilled over from Columbia Heights.

Take your pearl clutching elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On Friday afternoon/evening there was a large police presence in Mt. Pleasant at Irving and Mt. Pleasant St.

Turns out two rivals gangs were going to have a turf war. Sanctuary Cities is one thing but allowing our streets to be turned into the Killing Fields is wrong.
Many people come here from Central and South America to escape this type of violence only to discover that the law enforcement has been neutered by local politicians all
in the name of votes and political correctness.

Mexico is on pace for 30K murders this year. I have nothing against law abiding people coming to America and I want a pathway to citizenship for all undocumented citizens but if you
get involved in illegal activities that's wrong and telling our police that they can't make arrests in these cases is insane.

So many wrong statements.

Law enforcement hasn't been neutered. Police often say that sanctuary policies (meaning that local police do not participate in immigration enforcement, including asking people about their immigration status) *helps* them do their job, because witnesses and victims are more willing to cooperate with the police if they don't fear being deported. And no sanctuary policy in the country prevents the police from arresting someone engaged in a violent crime, regardless of their immigration status. No one--absolutely no one--is preventing police from making arrests.

Also, you have NO idea whether the members of the gangs were illegal or legal immigrants, or American citizens.

So, there was a potentially dangerous situation in MtP, the police observed it and neutralized it, apparently without needing to resort to the use of force. Kudos to the cops for defusing a tense situation and keeping residents safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On Friday afternoon/evening there was a large police presence in Mt. Pleasant at Irving and Mt. Pleasant St.

Turns out two rivals gangs were going to have a turf war. Sanctuary Cities is one thing but allowing our streets to be turned into the Killing Fields is wrong.
Many people come here from Central and South America to escape this type of violence only to discover that the law enforcement has been neutered by local politicians all
in the name of votes and political correctness.

Mexico is on pace for 30K murders this year. I have nothing against law abiding people coming to America and I want a pathway to citizenship for all undocumented citizens but if you
get involved in illegal activities that's wrong and telling our police that they can't make arrests in these cases is insane.

So many wrong statements.

Law enforcement hasn't been neutered. Police often say that sanctuary policies (meaning that local police do not participate in immigration enforcement, including asking people about their immigration status) *helps* them do their job, because witnesses and victims are more willing to cooperate with the police if they don't fear being deported. And no sanctuary policy in the country prevents the police from arresting someone engaged in a violent crime, regardless of their immigration status. No one--absolutely no one--is preventing police from making arrests.

Also, you have NO idea whether the members of the gangs were illegal or legal immigrants, or American citizens.

So, there was a potentially dangerous situation in MtP, the police observed it and neutralized it, apparently without needing to resort to the use of force. Kudos to the cops for defusing a tense situation and keeping residents safe.

could you post a reliable and credible data for this? I don't mean CNN or Fox.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:



this is what happens when Each Peach Market doesn't have freestones yet because those come later in the summer and everyone wants a cobbler but no one wants to deal with the pits, people get very cranky and extremely racist and suddenly it's a turf war.

You made me cry. Thank you for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On Friday afternoon/evening there was a large police presence in Mt. Pleasant at Irving and Mt. Pleasant St.

Turns out two rivals gangs were going to have a turf war. Sanctuary Cities is one thing but allowing our streets to be turned into the Killing Fields is wrong.
Many people come here from Central and South America to escape this type of violence only to discover that the law enforcement has been neutered by local politicians all
in the name of votes and political correctness.

Mexico is on pace for 30K murders this year. I have nothing against law abiding people coming to America and I want a pathway to citizenship for all undocumented citizens but if you
get involved in illegal activities that's wrong and telling our police that they can't make arrests in these cases is insane.

So many wrong statements.

Law enforcement hasn't been neutered. Police often say that sanctuary policies (meaning that local police do not participate in immigration enforcement, including asking people about their immigration status) *helps* them do their job, because witnesses and victims are more willing to cooperate with the police if they don't fear being deported. And no sanctuary policy in the country prevents the police from arresting someone engaged in a violent crime, regardless of their immigration status. No one--absolutely no one--is preventing police from making arrests.

Also, you have NO idea whether the members of the gangs were illegal or legal immigrants, or American citizens.

So, there was a potentially dangerous situation in MtP, the police observed it and neutralized it, apparently without needing to resort to the use of force. Kudos to the cops for defusing a tense situation and keeping residents safe.

could you post a reliable and credible data for this? I don't mean CNN or Fox.

I'm assuming you don't know how to use Internet search engines. These were found by a simple Google search:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/18/16130954/police-sanctuary-cities
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/01/29/512002076/why-sanctuary-cities-are-safer
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/immigration/reports/2017/01/26/297366/the-effects-of-sanctuary-policies-on-crime-and-the-economy/
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/339718-on-sanctuary-cities-lets-listen-to-law-enforcement

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On Friday afternoon/evening there was a large police presence in Mt. Pleasant at Irving and Mt. Pleasant St.

Turns out two rivals gangs were going to have a turf war. Sanctuary Cities is one thing but allowing our streets to be turned into the Killing Fields is wrong.
Many people come here from Central and South America to escape this type of violence only to discover that the law enforcement has been neutered by local politicians all
in the name of votes and political correctness.

Mexico is on pace for 30K murders this year. I have nothing against law abiding people coming to America and I want a pathway to citizenship for all undocumented citizens but if you
get involved in illegal activities that's wrong and telling our police that they can't make arrests in these cases is insane.

So many wrong statements.

Law enforcement hasn't been neutered. Police often say that sanctuary policies (meaning that local police do not participate in immigration enforcement, including asking people about their immigration status) *helps* them do their job, because witnesses and victims are more willing to cooperate with the police if they don't fear being deported. And no sanctuary policy in the country prevents the police from arresting someone engaged in a violent crime, regardless of their immigration status. No one--absolutely no one--is preventing police from making arrests.

Also, you have NO idea whether the members of the gangs were illegal or legal immigrants, or American citizens.

So, there was a potentially dangerous situation in MtP, the police observed it and neutralized it, apparently without needing to resort to the use of force. Kudos to the cops for defusing a tense situation and keeping residents safe.

could you post a reliable and credible data for this? I don't mean CNN or Fox.

Not PP, but it’s a community policing best practice not to inquire into immigration status.

https://www.majorcitieschiefs.com/pdf/news/2013_immigration_policy.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On Friday afternoon/evening there was a large police presence in Mt. Pleasant at Irving and Mt. Pleasant St.

Turns out two rivals gangs were going to have a turf war.

A turf war over what? You ever stop and ask that question? Are these per-adolescents beefing about pride/ego - the right to hang out at certain spots etc. or are these older folks beefing about something else?
From what I understand at the end of the day the primary motive for gangs to fight over territories is money so they can dominate crime and I guarantee you if there's $$$ involved from criminal activity (drugs, robbery, selling stolen merchandise, extortion, gambling, etc.) then its not just immigrants involved in the mix. 9.99x out of 10 immigrants are just pawns in the money-making process for American citizens who belong to a group that is, shall we say, "lesser-stigmatized/profiled" by race/class/citizenship-status.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On Friday afternoon/evening there was a large police presence in Mt. Pleasant at Irving and Mt. Pleasant St.

Turns out two rivals gangs were going to have a turf war. Sanctuary Cities is one thing but allowing our streets to be turned into the Killing Fields is wrong.
Many people come here from Central and South America to escape this type of violence only to discover that the law enforcement has been neutered by local politicians all
in the name of votes and political correctness.

Mexico is on pace for 30K murders this year. I have nothing against law abiding people coming to America and I want a pathway to citizenship for all undocumented citizens but if you
get involved in illegal activities that's wrong and telling our police that they can't make arrests in these cases is insane.

So many wrong statements.

Law enforcement hasn't been neutered. Police often say that sanctuary policies (meaning that local police do not participate in immigration enforcement, including asking people about their immigration status) *helps* them do their job, because witnesses and victims are more willing to cooperate with the police if they don't fear being deported. And no sanctuary policy in the country prevents the police from arresting someone engaged in a violent crime, regardless of their immigration status. No one--absolutely no one--is preventing police from making arrests.

Also, you have NO idea whether the members of the gangs were illegal or legal immigrants, or American citizens.

So, there was a potentially dangerous situation in MtP, the police observed it and neutralized it, apparently without needing to resort to the use of force. Kudos to the cops for defusing a tense situation and keeping residents safe.

could you post a reliable and credible data for this? I don't mean CNN or Fox.

I'm assuming you don't know how to use Internet search engines. These were found by a simple Google search:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/18/16130954/police-sanctuary-cities
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/01/29/512002076/why-sanctuary-cities-are-safer
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/immigration/reports/2017/01/26/297366/the-effects-of-sanctuary-policies-on-crime-and-the-economy/
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/339718-on-sanctuary-cities-lets-listen-to-law-enforcement

Just because something is printed on a news website doesn’t make it accurate nor true. As far as sanctuary cities being safer, that’s a lie. I’d put a sanctuary city like Los Angeles up against Houston or Phoenix. Whether police ask for immigration status or not should not be a determining factor in when public safety is at risk. Remember this: The majority/plurality is rarely on the right side of history. We’ve seen this to be the case with slavery, Nazism and others. It’s usually those in the minority of voices on the right side of history.

[Anonymous]

One thing is for certain. Everyone keeps talking about the lack of wage growth particularly on the lower rungs of labor ladder. The more cheap labor you import into America be it legal or illegal the less wage growth you’ll see for those on the lower end of the economic chain.

50% of people in this country pay no income tax yet have the audacity to ask those that do to pay for their largesse.

I’m a liberal but I find it increasingly difficult to pay for all the things that are asked of me to fund our “Sanctuary City.”

So if you come here behave. Part of my American Dream isn’t to pay for all of yours.

Fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One thing is for certain. Everyone keeps talking about the lack of wage growth particularly on the lower rungs of labor ladder. The more cheap labor you import into America be it legal or illegal the less wage growth you’ll see for those on the lower end of the economic chain.

50% of people in this country pay no income tax yet have the audacity to ask those that do to pay for their largesse.

I’m a liberal but I find it increasingly difficult to pay for all the things that are asked of me to fund our “Sanctuary City.”

So if you come here behave. Part of my American Dream isn’t to pay for all of yours.

Fact.

Sigh. Immigrants, legal and undocumented, commit less crime than American born people do.

[Anonymous]

According to DHS status indicators, over 258,000 criminal aliens have been booked into local Texas jails between June 1, 2011 and June 30, 2018, of which over 173,000 were classified as illegal aliens by DHS.

Between June 1, 2011 and June 30, 2018, these 173,000 illegal aliens were charged with more than 269,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 502 homicide charges; 29,912 assault charges; 5,327 burglary charges; 34,068 drug charges; 360 kidnapping charges; 14,939 theft charges; 21,919 obstructing police charges; 1,545 robbery charges; 3,158 sexual assault charges; 1,987 sexual offense charges; and 2,698 weapon charges. DPS criminal history records reflect those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 111,000 convictions including 222 homicide convictions; 12,387 assault convictions; 2,936 burglary convictions; 16,565 drug convictions; 150 kidnapping convictions; 6,690 theft convictions; 10,602 obstructing police convictions; 938 robbery convictions; 1,547 sexual assault convictions; 1,063 sexual offense convictions; and 1,178 weapon convictions.