intermittent fasting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dr Fung doesn’t base his opinions on sound science. There is some evidence that fasting greater than 16+ hrs isn’t ideal for women. I follow a keto diet and do occasionally do a 24 hr fast, mostly as a reset and for the autopahagy. But, I will eat close to my normal calories on that day. If you’re looking to lose fifty lbs, look at calories in/calories out and at the quality of your calories. I lost weight by counting calories and being keto means my calories are more filling and energizing.

Oh please. His science is sound and he also has more clinical experience with women fasting than any other clinician in North America. Literally more than a thousand women, most of whom very safely and successfully fast beyond 16 hours with only health benefits. I'm one of them. I read a lot of the women fasting scaremongering online and then I read about how many women are in Dr. Fung's practice and decided to go with someone with actual real world experience. I regularly do 16:8's and 18:6's, do usually two 36-42 hour fasts per week, and fast 3-5 days to start each month. My markers just get better every month, and I feel great.

How long have you been doing this? No offense, but this sounds like an eating disorder.

[Anonymous]

Lots of great resources here:

https://idmprogram.com

Plus Diet Doctor has excellent info on fasting and it's the best resource I knownoverall for low carb/keto and fasting.

I'm sort of an IF evangelist here at DCUM now because someone here turned me on to Jason Fung and intermittent fasting on a thread about insulin resistance here. Everything just clicked when I watched some of his YouTube videos on insulin and obesity. I was in the "extreme obesity" category in late 2016 and I'm now just 12 pounds from "overweight". Only someone who's been in the obese BMI for a couple of decades like me can understand how exciting it is to be this close to just "overweight." I shop in the regular people section now...it takes so mucxh longer to buy clothes because WOW there are 10 times more to try! Good luck, friend. I hope I can pass on my success to you as someone here at DCUM did for me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Fung, btw, is not a diabetes doctor and his science is iffy. He's a nephrologist.

Intermittent fasting is permission to skip breakfast, if you need it. I generally skip breakfast because I find that I get hungry for lunch when I have breakfast. Generally, though, the way to lose weight is to cut calories a lot, not just skip breakfast or, in a more extreme form of IF, only eat one large meal per day.

IF is much more than just skipping breakfast, though that is one model. A better model is actually eating breakfast and lunch and then fasting through to the next breakfast; it aligns better with natural cortisol and glucose spikes. And there are many other types.

Dr. Fung's nephrology practice is mostly people with T2D since diabetes is the #1 cause of kidney disease. He's not a board-certified endocrinologist, but he has vast clinical experience with reversing Type 2 diabetes through LCHF diets and fasting.

Dr. Fung is not an endocrinologist and doesn't understand insulin. Losing weight is a great idea for many (not all) T2Ds. His science is iffy. Which is a kind way of saying, wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dr Fung doesn’t base his opinions on sound science. There is some evidence that fasting greater than 16+ hrs isn’t ideal for women. I follow a keto diet and do occasionally do a 24 hr fast, mostly as a reset and for the autopahagy. But, I will eat close to my normal calories on that day. If you’re looking to lose fifty lbs, look at calories in/calories out and at the quality of your calories. I lost weight by counting calories and being keto means my calories are more filling and energizing.

Oh please. His science is sound and he also has more clinical experience with women fasting than any other clinician in North America. Literally more than a thousand women, most of whom very safely and successfully fast beyond 16 hours with only health benefits. I'm one of them. I read a lot of the women fasting scaremongering online and then I read about how many women are in Dr. Fung's practice and decided to go with someone with actual real world experience. I regularly do 16:8's and 18:6's, do usually two 36-42 hour fasts per week, and fast 3-5 days to start each month. My markers just get better every month, and I feel great.

How long have you been doing this? No offense, but this sounds like an eating disorder.

Just over a year. I had the same concerns before I read a lot about it...I remember googling about anorexia vs fasting. And actually IF is contraindicated for people who have had anorexia simply because they need the structure of eating regularly and IF could trigger compulsions to avoid eating in an unhealthy way. The only resemblance to an eating disorder is the lack of eating (occasionally).

But the key is there is nothing compulsive about it. I didn't feel like fasting at all this weekend...my DH made a great big breakfast yesterday, and I felt like eating with my son this AM. I don't calorie restrict when I'm eating. I get plenty of nutrition. I just restrict the time window when I eat. And occasional multi-day fasts are very common in human history. They're not dangerous unless you're on some kind of meds that would mess with your blood sugar. The point is not to avoid eating at all; it's to lower baseline insulin so your body can access its fat stores. I've also read a lot about the immune benefits of 3-day fasts...they are great for preventing inflammation and for your immune system. I feel good when I do them. And when I break a fast, I feast and enjoy it. Fasting & feasting is a very natural cycle for humans. Arguably far more natural than eating 6 times a day at fixed intervals with fruit and grains all day. Humans never ate like that until recently.

[Anonymous]

I’m doing alternate 24 hour fasts, but I always eat breakfast so there are four meals in an “eating” 24 hours. I find that it’s easier to end my fast with sleeping because bed is a time machine to breakfast. I am losing weight, I assume similar to what I would lose if the same calories were spread evenly. It’s just easier psychologically for me so far. I’m hungry, but I’m just waiting it out. I don’t go nuts on eating days or anything, but I eat bread and snack if I want to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Fung, btw, is not a diabetes doctor and his science is iffy. He's a nephrologist.

Intermittent fasting is permission to skip breakfast, if you need it. I generally skip breakfast because I find that I get hungry for lunch when I have breakfast. Generally, though, the way to lose weight is to cut calories a lot, not just skip breakfast or, in a more extreme form of IF, only eat one large meal per day.

IF is much more than just skipping breakfast, though that is one model. A better model is actually eating breakfast and lunch and then fasting through to the next breakfast; it aligns better with natural cortisol and glucose spikes. And there are many other types.

Dr. Fung's nephrology practice is mostly people with T2D since diabetes is the #1 cause of kidney disease. He's not a board-certified endocrinologist, but he has vast clinical experience with reversing Type 2 diabetes through LCHF diets and fasting.

Dr. Fung is not an endocrinologist and doesn't understand insulin. Losing weight is a great idea for many (not all) T2Ds. His science is iffy. Which is a kind way of saying, wrong.

Let's be real here. Most endocrinologists do not actually make type 2 diabetes better. They believe that T2D is irreversible and progressive. And they make it so. They recommend diets that keep baseline insulin very high which worsens insulin resistance. When insulin resistance worsens, they prescribe insulin. Which makes their patients fatter and more insulin resistant. And so they raise the insulin dosage...so the disease is progressive and irreversible.

But let's say you were, I dunno, a nephrologist focused in helping your patients avoid having to do dialysis because of diabetic kidney damage. You'd focus on the diabetes. And if you knew that hyperinsulinemia was the core problem, you'd treat that with low carb diet and intermittent fasting. And wow...you'd see dozens and then hundreds of patients reverse their diabetes "progression".

So yeah. Not an endocrinologist. Just a clinical doctor with actual success helping diabetics get healthier, not believing that it's impossible and that diabetes is always progressive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dr Fung doesn’t base his opinions on sound science. There is some evidence that fasting greater than 16+ hrs isn’t ideal for women. I follow a keto diet and do occasionally do a 24 hr fast, mostly as a reset and for the autopahagy. But, I will eat close to my normal calories on that day. If you’re looking to lose fifty lbs, look at calories in/calories out and at the quality of your calories. I lost weight by counting calories and being keto means my calories are more filling and energizing.

Oh please. His science is sound and he also has more clinical experience with women fasting than any other clinician in North America. Literally more than a thousand women, most of whom very safely and successfully fast beyond 16 hours with only health benefits. I'm one of them. I read a lot of the women fasting scaremongering online and then I read about how many women are in Dr. Fung's practice and decided to go with someone with actual real world experience. I regularly do 16:8's and 18:6's, do usually two 36-42 hour fasts per week, and fast 3-5 days to start each month. My markers just get better every month, and I feel great.

How long have you been doing this? No offense, but this sounds like an eating disorder.

Just over a year. I had the same concerns before I read a lot about it...I remember googling about anorexia vs fasting. And actually IF is contraindicated for people who have had anorexia simply because they need the structure of eating regularly and IF could trigger compulsions to avoid eating in an unhealthy way. The only resemblance to an eating disorder is the lack of eating (occasionally).

But the key is there is nothing compulsive about it. I didn't feel like fasting at all this weekend...my DH made a great big breakfast yesterday, and I felt like eating with my son this AM. I don't calorie restrict when I'm eating. I get plenty of nutrition. I just restrict the time window when I eat. And occasional multi-day fasts are very common in human history. They're not dangerous unless you're on some kind of meds that would mess with your blood sugar. The point is not to avoid eating at all; it's to lower baseline insulin so your body can access its fat stores. I've also read a lot about the immune benefits of 3-day fasts...they are great for preventing inflammation and for your immune system. I feel good when I do them. And when I break a fast, I feast and enjoy it. Fasting & feasting is a very natural cycle for humans. Arguably far more natural than eating 6 times a day at fixed intervals with fruit and grains all day. Humans never ate like that until recently.

I’m the pp—your answer makes sense! I’ll look into it some more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lots of great resources here:

https://idmprogram.com

Plus Diet Doctor has excellent info on fasting and it's the best resource I knownoverall for low carb/keto and fasting.

I'm sort of an IF evangelist here at DCUM now because someone here turned me on to Jason Fung and intermittent fasting on a thread about insulin resistance here. Everything just clicked when I watched some of his YouTube videos on insulin and obesity. I was in the "extreme obesity" category in late 2016 and I'm now just 12 pounds from "overweight". Only someone who's been in the obese BMI for a couple of decades like me can understand how exciting it is to be this close to just "overweight." I shop in the regular people section now...it takes so mucxh longer to buy clothes because WOW there are 10 times more to try! Good luck, friend. I hope I can pass on my success to you as someone here at DCUM did for me.

Congrats to you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of great resources here:

https://idmprogram.com

Plus Diet Doctor has excellent info on fasting and it's the best resource I knownoverall for low carb/keto and fasting.

I'm sort of an IF evangelist here at DCUM now because someone here turned me on to Jason Fung and intermittent fasting on a thread about insulin resistance here. Everything just clicked when I watched some of his YouTube videos on insulin and obesity. I was in the "extreme obesity" category in late 2016 and I'm now just 12 pounds from "overweight". Only someone who's been in the obese BMI for a couple of decades like me can understand how exciting it is to be this close to just "overweight." I shop in the regular people section now...it takes so mucxh longer to buy clothes because WOW there are 10 times more to try! Good luck, friend. I hope I can pass on my success to you as someone here at DCUM did for me.

Congrats to you!

Wonderful. So happy for you!

[Anonymous]

Dr Eric Berg is a chiropractor. Not saying it doesn't work, but still he is not a nutritionist or a diet doctor, he isn't a doctor.

[Anonymous]

I listen to NYU doctors (doctor radio) on sirius xm - who also bring in a lot of experts as well. (They are not supposed to be official doctor advice according to their legal waiver i.e., you should consult your own dr).

However, There has been more discussion and all positive referring to continued science - that reasonable fasting. is a good approach if it works for you and has a lot of health benefits. They said a lot of people just can't do it and other approaches maybe better. They seem to keep the reasonable approach to 16:8 and 5:2. (I haven't heard them talk about longer fasts). I have not heard them be dismissive of the approach just that a lot of people its not practical. I have also heard doctors/nutritionists discuss how they coach people through the process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lots of great resources here:

https://idmprogram.com

Plus Diet Doctor has excellent info on fasting and it's the best resource I knownoverall for low carb/keto and fasting.

I'm sort of an IF evangelist here at DCUM now because someone here turned me on to Jason Fung and intermittent fasting on a thread about insulin resistance here. Everything just clicked when I watched some of his YouTube videos on insulin and obesity. I was in the "extreme obesity" category in late 2016 and I'm now just 12 pounds from "overweight". Only someone who's been in the obese BMI for a couple of decades like me can understand how exciting it is to be this close to just "overweight." I shop in the regular people section now...it takes so mucxh longer to buy clothes because WOW there are 10 times more to try! Good luck, friend. I hope I can pass on my success to you as someone here at DCUM did for me.

Thts wonderful.

Can you link to the videos and the diet doctor info? I want to make sure I look at the right stuff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I listen to NYU doctors (doctor radio) on sirius xm - who also bring in a lot of experts as well. (They are not supposed to be official doctor advice according to their legal waiver i.e., you should consult your own dr).

However, There has been more discussion and all positive referring to continued science - that reasonable fasting. is a good approach if it works for you and has a lot of health benefits. They said a lot of people just can't do it and other approaches maybe better. They seem to keep the reasonable approach to 16:8 and 5:2. (I haven't heard them talk about longer fasts). I have not heard them be dismissive of the approach just that a lot of people its not practical. I have also heard doctors/nutritionists discuss how they coach people through the process.

Interesting. I have found the 16:8 way easier to stick with than counting calories. Which honestly shocked me. I found counting calories tedious and like I was depriving myself. With IF, I don't really crave things until I break my fast for the day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I listen to NYU doctors (doctor radio) on sirius xm - who also bring in a lot of experts as well. (They are not supposed to be official doctor advice according to their legal waiver i.e., you should consult your own dr).

However, There has been more discussion and all positive referring to continued science - that reasonable fasting. is a good approach if it works for you and has a lot of health benefits. They said a lot of people just can't do it and other approaches maybe better. They seem to keep the reasonable approach to 16:8 and 5:2. (I haven't heard them talk about longer fasts). I have not heard them be dismissive of the approach just that a lot of people its not practical. I have also heard doctors/nutritionists discuss how they coach people through the process.

Interesting. I have found the 16:8 way easier to stick with than counting calories. Which honestly shocked me. I found counting calories tedious and like I was depriving myself. With IF, I don't really crave things until I break my fast for the day.

OP here. That is what I suspect. We counted calories too, but it was exhausted and we burned out after a week.

I don’t feel hungry in the morning either but it’s been jammed down my throat that breakfast is so important. So I eat. But then I’m hungry by 10 again anyway. And 11:30.

Won’t skipping breakfast help me with my weight loss?

[Anonymous]

NP here. For those who have been doing IF, a couple questions...

1. Did you just jump right into it and fast for 2 days? How rough a start is it? I work and have young kids and worry about being angry and/or unfocussed.
2. If you fast for entire days or multiple days, do you also exercise? Only exercise on days you eat? Or don't exercise at all?

Thanks.