Is it too early to talk about The Last Jedi (spoilers)?

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Anonymous wrote:Agree re: too long and lack of character development—reminded me of an X-men movie where a bunch of random characters also seemed thrown in. Gonna take my early elem. kid this weekend, even though I think it’s a little too long for her (she liked The Force Awakens and Rogue One, and the original trilogy).

We’re talking spoilers, right?

Anybody else get sad when Leia was seemingly dying but then used the force to glide back to the ship? I was just thinking about the fact that she’s passed IRL. Also, was it surprising that she could use the force like that?

Anyone still think that Kylo Ren and Rey are twins? I think he just tried to mislead her during that scene so she’d join him.

I used to think they were twins or siblings, but don't you think Leia would have known that she was her daughter?

What if they were separated at birth and grew up not knowing each other, like Luke and Leia? Leia may not have recognized her as an adult, even if it was her own daughter.

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But she would have known she had another baby. Unless someone told her the baby had died a birth and kidnapped her.

I liked it, but not as much a Force Awakens. I wondered why they made Snoke such a big bad, then killed him. And the floaty Leia thing was weird. And Fin and Rose going to the casino was unnecessary. And I’m glad Laura Dern died (why didn’t she tell Poe her plan?)

But I liked the pacing and humor. I like the few callbacks they did.

I’m seeing it again with my Dad. Wondering if a 2nd viewing will change my opinion.

PP here. I was wondering whether they were raised separately, perhaps for safety reasons, so perhaps Leia didn't recognize her.

Another supporting data point for this hypothesis is their connection through the Force. Luke and Leia also have that connection. So, wondering whether Kylo Ren and Rey could be twins or at least siblings as well.

I also thought the casino part could've been cut when I saw it the first time. However, somehow I liked the whole movie a bit more after seeing it the second time--it seemed less disjointed (although still long).

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I leaned over and mouthed "gross" to my family when Luke was milking a cow type animal and putting it in a water bottle.

Also, there was this really long stretch of quiet in the movie and someone's phone went "ping" once. Funny.

Overall the movie was bad, with some good moments. The connection between Rey and Ben was interesting. But the other two where the woman loved the guy?-- they had no chemistry.

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I loved it. I loved how they developed the characters without being heavy handed about it, I loved how the plot harkened back to the original trilogy (especially Episode V) without simply rewriting it, I loved how they included so many significant female characters and yet didn't elevate them as goddesses the way movies so often do when they're making a conscious push for gender diversity; they were flawed human beings, just like the men. My daughter is intrigued by Star Wars but still a bit young for it, and in the middle of the movie I thought to myself that I can't wait to show her this movie in the saga.

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I thought it was a well made movie, but I didn't like it.

I thought there were simply too many threads that were left dangling after episode 7 that were either brushed aside or got ignored entirely. Rian Johnson said that there was no overarching story that he had to work with and it showed. Bad decision on the part of Lucasfilm IMO.

I agree with others that a lot of the humor seemed out of place.

Did not like the set up of sexual tension between Rey and Kylo Ren. Seems awfully out of place in this cultural moment especially.

I liked the characters of Rose and Finn but their whole plotline ended up being completely meaningless. You could have cut the whole thing out of the movie and it wouldn't have changed anything.

But more than anything, I did not like what they did with Luke. So much of his behavior was out of character. The guy who saved his father, one of the most evil people in the galaxy, by throwing away his light saber wouldn't consider killing his nephew, for one. And the scene where he was making fun of Rey when she "reached out" for the Force seemed really out of place too. Luke could be sarcastic but he was never mean. He treated the Ewoks with more dignity, FFS. And if his twin, the person he loved most in the world, said she was in trouble and needed his help, I cannot believe he would just be like, "Nah, gotta go milk a sea monster, bye". To me-- that's just unforgivable. If I was Leia at the end with like, 10 people left, and Luke walks in, I would've been like GTFO! I guess he saved the half dozen people left at the end, but a little late there, buddy. I was really not okay with what they did with his character.

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I was so disappointed in the movie, and I grew up with Star Wars (I am 45). It was way too long, the storylines didn’t really make sense, and many of the jokes were awkward. Rogue One was so much better.

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I didn't think it was possible to be more disappointed than with the Force Awakens. But, clearly it is possible. How I wish now that George Lucas made episode 7. He did write it and sold it to Disney. It had Luke as an Obi Wan character, wise and older jedi and teens, presumably Skywalkers... I hope he goes no record, if he can, and tell what his story was. Even my 18 years old hated it. Yes, we had him grow up on old Star Wars and he liked the prequels. Attack of the Clones sure looks good to me now compared to episodes 7 and 8. Kill all the Skywalkers and Han Solo? So Anakin could never float in space.... but Leia not even trained can. Luke is a total flake? So many million times better non cannon novels are there, better stick with those and erase this from my memory. These moves were thematic and the theme is young men learning about the force. Same story with Obi Wan, Anakin and Luke. The only thing I might like to see now is Obi Wan stand alone movie. No doubt they will butcher that too. If you liked it, what did you like about it? Even Mark Hamill is pretty vocal about not liking new movies. Also what is with million characters? Original had Luke, Leia, Han, Chewbacca. R2D2, C-3P0 and two villains. And other side villains but not so important. Then we had mostly Obi Wan, Anakin, Padme and two bad guys...and supporting cast. That is plenty to manage. What is with these huge ensembles? Nobody cares, we want to watch Skywalkers and Obi Wan and Jedi. Nobody wants a Star Wars without Jedi. There is literarily only one or two good scenes in these new three movies, Darth Vader in Rogue One. That's it.

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I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect. Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to. I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope. But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't think it was possible to be more disappointed than with the Force Awakens. But, clearly it is possible. How I wish now that George Lucas made episode 7. He did write it and sold it to Disney. It had Luke as an Obi Wan character, wise and older jedi and teens, presumably Skywalkers... I hope he goes no record, if he can, and tell what his story was. Even my 18 years old hated it. Yes, we had him grow up on old Star Wars and he liked the prequels. Attack of the Clones sure looks good to me now compared to episodes 7 and 8. Kill all the Skywalkers and Han Solo? So Anakin could never float in space.... but Leia not even trained can. Luke is a total flake? So many million times better non cannon novels are there, better stick with those and erase this from my memory. These moves were thematic and the theme is young men learning about the force. Same story with Obi Wan, Anakin and Luke. The only thing I might like to see now is Obi Wan stand alone movie. No doubt they will butcher that too. If you liked it, what did you like about it? Even Mark Hamill is pretty vocal about not liking new movies. Also what is with million characters? Original had Luke, Leia, Han, Chewbacca. R2D2, C-3P0 and two villains. And other side villains but not so important. Then we had mostly Obi Wan, Anakin, Padme and two bad guys...and supporting cast. That is plenty to manage. What is with these huge ensembles? Nobody cares, we want to watch Skywalkers and Obi Wan and Jedi. Nobody wants a Star Wars without Jedi. There is literarily only one or two good scenes in these new three movies, Darth Vader in Rogue One. That's it.

I feel like the directors and writers of Rogue One and The Force Awakens were fans who grew up loving the original Star Wars films.

I feel like the director and writers of The Last Jedi did not grow up knowing or loving Star Wars and approached it as someone who was focused on making a "Blockbuster" and having products and characters to market (vs telling the story).

Yes. There were too many sub characters in this movie.

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Anonymous wrote:I loved it. I loved how they developed the characters without being heavy handed about it, I loved how the plot harkened back to the original trilogy (especially Episode V) without simply rewriting it, I loved how they included so many significant female characters and yet didn't elevate them as goddesses the way movies so often do when they're making a conscious push for gender diversity; they were flawed human beings, just like the men. My daughter is intrigued by Star Wars but still a bit young for it, and in the middle of the movie I thought to myself that I can't wait to show her this movie in the saga.

I can not imagine anyone coming to this conclusion. Somewhere Joseph Campbell is weeping for starting this and then seeing it go so far off the rails.

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I liked that Carrie Fisher’s dog Gary was in the background in the casino scene. Disappointed that Princes Harry and Will’s stormtrooper scene didn’t make it into the movie.

I’m not a big Star Wars fan, and can’t take it all very seriously, but I do enjoy the cameos and jokes that make somewhat mindless entertainment a little more fun (bring on the cheesy “Leia flying through space!”).

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I was pretty disappointed with this movie. Nothing will compare to the first 3 (1970s and 80s) movies. Ever. Even the next 3 were pretty good.

These just really fall short.

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I really liked it. The hard part for me was watching Carrie Fisher - not just that she died but knowing she was higher than a kite while filming.

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Anonymous wrote:I liked that Carrie Fisher’s dog Gary was in the background in the casino scene. Disappointed that Princes Harry and Will’s stormtrooper scene didn’t make it into the movie.

I’m not a big Star Wars fan, and can’t take it all very seriously, but I do enjoy the cameos and jokes that make somewhat mindless entertainment a little more fun (bring on the cheesy “Leia flying through space!”).

How do you know their scenes didn’t make it into the movie? I thought I read it did. We obviously would have no idea which scene it was because they are in costume.

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Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect. Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to. I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope. But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."

Rey won't be able to destroy Kylo Ren for the part of him she hates, she'll try to save him for the part of him she loves.

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Anonymous wrote:I loved it. I loved how they developed the characters without being heavy handed about it, I loved how the plot harkened back to the original trilogy (especially Episode V) without simply rewriting it, I loved how they included so many significant female characters and yet didn't elevate them as goddesses the way movies so often do when they're making a conscious push for gender diversity; they were flawed human beings, just like the men. My daughter is intrigued by Star Wars but still a bit young for it, and in the middle of the movie I thought to myself that I can't wait to show her this movie in the saga.

I can not imagine anyone coming to this conclusion. Somewhere Joseph Campbell is weeping for starting this and then seeing it go so far off the rails.

Eh, I came out of the theater enthralled and you came out bitter, so who got the better end of it?