Is it too early to talk about The Last Jedi (spoilers)?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I liked that Carrie Fisher’s dog Gary was in the background in the casino scene. Disappointed that Princes Harry and Will’s stormtrooper scene didn’t make it into the movie.

I’m not a big Star Wars fan, and can’t take it all very seriously, but I do enjoy the cameos and jokes that make somewhat mindless entertainment a little more fun (bring on the cheesy “Leia flying through space!”).

How do you know their scenes didn’t make it into the movie? I thought I read it did. We obviously would have no idea which scene it was because they are in costume.

One of them acknowledged that the scene didn’t make it and said he would have to sharpen his acting skills (I’m paraphrasing).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I loved it. I loved how they developed the characters without being heavy handed about it, I loved how the plot harkened back to the original trilogy (especially Episode V) without simply rewriting it, I loved how they included so many significant female characters and yet didn't elevate them as goddesses the way movies so often do when they're making a conscious push for gender diversity; they were flawed human beings, just like the men. My daughter is intrigued by Star Wars but still a bit young for it, and in the middle of the movie I thought to myself that I can't wait to show her this movie in the saga.

I can not imagine anyone coming to this conclusion. Somewhere Joseph Campbell is weeping for starting this and then seeing it go so far off the rails.

Eh, I came out of the theater enthralled and you came out bitter, so who got the better end of it?

You prove the adage that no one ever went broke underestimating the taste or brain power of the people. Wow. Good for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I loved it. I loved how they developed the characters without being heavy handed about it, I loved how the plot harkened back to the original trilogy (especially Episode V) without simply rewriting it, I loved how they included so many significant female characters and yet didn't elevate them as goddesses the way movies so often do when they're making a conscious push for gender diversity; they were flawed human beings, just like the men. My daughter is intrigued by Star Wars but still a bit young for it, and in the middle of the movie I thought to myself that I can't wait to show her this movie in the saga.

I can not imagine anyone coming to this conclusion. Somewhere Joseph Campbell is weeping for starting this and then seeing it go so far off the rails.

Eh, I came out of the theater enthralled and you came out bitter, so who got the better end of it?

You prove the adage that no one ever went broke underestimating the taste or brain power of the people. Wow. Good for you.

Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really liked it. The hard part for me was watching Carrie Fisher - not just that she died but knowing she was higher than a kite while filming.

How do you know she was high?

[Anonymous]

I've only watched TFA and Rogue One, which I found both to be just okay, but my goodness, I REALLY like TLJ.

Adam Driver made the movie. Felt like every scene Kylo Ren was in, he commanded. Totally for a Reylo thing happening.

Could have skipped over the casino part. Pretty boring.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I loved it. I loved how they developed the characters without being heavy handed about it, I loved how the plot harkened back to the original trilogy (especially Episode V) without simply rewriting it, I loved how they included so many significant female characters and yet didn't elevate them as goddesses the way movies so often do when they're making a conscious push for gender diversity; they were flawed human beings, just like the men. My daughter is intrigued by Star Wars but still a bit young for it, and in the middle of the movie I thought to myself that I can't wait to show her this movie in the saga.

I can not imagine anyone coming to this conclusion. Somewhere Joseph Campbell is weeping for starting this and then seeing it go so far off the rails.

Eh, I came out of the theater enthralled and you came out bitter, so who got the better end of it?

You prove the adage that no one ever went broke underestimating the taste or brain power of the people. Wow. Good for you.

Thanks!

You know the previous poster is being a real d******* . Lots of people enjoyed the movie, including like, most of the critics. A difference in opinion should not lead you to calling someone stupid or tasteless. Honestly, I don't know. It's just so myopic and mean. And frankly, wrong. But whatever.

I really enjoyed it. There were some seems slower than others, But overall, it was exactly what I wanted from this movie.

[Anonymous]

I liked the movie overall. I have a real problem with Leia as Kylo's mother, however. She seems completely cold and emotionless toward him. Yes, I know he's terrible and yadda yadda but seriously? Your son just showed up as the leader of the galaxy hell bent on destroying you, your base, and the small bit of survivors still following you, and instead of going out there to see what you can do, you sit on your ass and wait for others to come up with the plan? ...as an aside, she seemed like a very ineffectual leader - no real leadership, just a figurehead.

And then your brother shows up...so you allow your brother to go out to die at the hand of your son with no offers of involvement from yourself. He's your son, for Christ sake! Instead you run chicken shit into the caves.

Terrible and incomprehensible. I feel like this would not be accepted by the audience if it was a man doing this. But it's a woman choosing her career over her kid, and that's fashionable in the moment, or something. Except no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I loved it. I loved how they developed the characters without being heavy handed about it, I loved how the plot harkened back to the original trilogy (especially Episode V) without simply rewriting it, I loved how they included so many significant female characters and yet didn't elevate them as goddesses the way movies so often do when they're making a conscious push for gender diversity; they were flawed human beings, just like the men. My daughter is intrigued by Star Wars but still a bit young for it, and in the middle of the movie I thought to myself that I can't wait to show her this movie in the saga.

I can not imagine anyone coming to this conclusion. Somewhere Joseph Campbell is weeping for starting this and then seeing it go so far off the rails.

Eh, I came out of the theater enthralled and you came out bitter, so who got the better end of it?

You prove the adage that no one ever went broke underestimating the taste or brain power of the people. Wow. Good for you.

Thanks!

You know the previous poster is being a real d******* . Lots of people enjoyed the movie, including like, most of the critics. A difference in opinion should not lead you to calling someone stupid or tasteless. Honestly, I don't know. It's just so myopic and mean. And frankly, wrong. But whatever.

I really enjoyed it. There were some seems slower than others, But overall, it was exactly what I wanted from this movie.

Go look at the thousands of comments on the Yahoo Last Jedi pages and you will see all the reasons why you should rethink this one. The critics are being savaged on many, many different levels. You know why? Because the movie is bad. Plain bad. Add to the fact that there are 40 years of history, story lines, (and back stories now supported on other formats) and fan support behind it and its becomes beyond bad. Sorry you can't see that and sorry that you feel some people are mean around here but I bet the Disney suits were counting on a high percentage of movie goers with low standards when they green lighted this dreck.

And, as an aside, its those low standards that might keep the next J.K Rowling, or Prince, or some other epic creative talent from getting a chance in the first place. Please ask for more. This day and age needs more creativity and hard work, not thoughtless corner cutting and boring cynicism.

[Anonymous]

I don't think this is a well liked movie:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/star-wars-last-jedi-lowest-214353025.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/save-apos-star-wars-apos-122842126.html

[Anonymous]

Everyone I know said they loved it. These responses are surprising.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I liked the movie overall. I have a real problem with Leia as Kylo's mother, however. She seems completely cold and emotionless toward him. Yes, I know he's terrible and yadda yadda but seriously? Your son just showed up as the leader of the galaxy hell bent on destroying you, your base, and the small bit of survivors still following you, and instead of going out there to see what you can do, you sit on your ass and wait for others to come up with the plan? ...as an aside, she seemed like a very ineffectual leader - no real leadership, just a figurehead.

And then your brother shows up...so you allow your brother to go out to die at the hand of your son with no offers of involvement from yourself. He's your son, for Christ sake! Instead you run chicken shit into the caves.

Terrible and incomprehensible. I feel like this would not be accepted by the audience if it was a man doing this. But it's a woman choosing her career over her kid, and that's fashionable in the moment, or something. Except no.

I don't think she was uncaring at all, I think she simply had come to accept that she could not bend people to her will and struggled with the pain of that. She has seen enough with Luke, Vader and her own son to know that they all have to follow their own paths and she cannot force them otherwise (if she could, she would have saved Kylo long ago).

When Kylo comes out in the first battle and is line to hit the bridge of the rebel carrier, he and Leia sense each other. You can see in her face that she knows she's powerless to stop him if he wants to do something terrible, but she's hoping against hope that he won't. I think she also knows that if she were to in some way "go out there," if anything it might anger him and provoke him into doing something he might not have otherwise. The only thing she can do there is put faith in the good still in him to prevail and keep him from blackening his soul further.

When Luke comes out at the end, I think she appreciates that going out there and confronting Kylo directly is something Luke feels he needs to do to redeem himself for his failure at the temple, and she's trusting that Luke has a plan (it's not like the rebels have any other options at that point anyway - this movie is all about the bleak desperation of a rebellion that is going to die unless it can find a new hero to save it). She knows that Luke isn't going out there with the intention of killing Kylo, he's going out there to try to save him, but if he can't save Kylo (because ultimately only Kylo can save himself by choosing a different path), he's at least going to stop him from destroying the rebellion.

[Anonymous]

They are surprising because the Internet culture exists in a completely different world than the real world. diggi and slate and other news outlets have done some interesting pieces about the internet Fanboy phenomenon and people stacking review sites.

And Yahoo is filled with the worst kind of people. If you want to read Intelligent, thought provoking, and yes even critical, comments that are worth reading, try the a v Club.com

Look, I wanted to avoid name-calling, but since that's the direction we're going: I think most of the people who hate this movie fall into two categories. Either dogmatic Fanboys who can't stand change and are absolutely propelled by nothing but Nostalgia OR people who don't like the way the Star Wars universe is evolving beyond the Skywalker family and embracing diversity and change.

(Note that I said most. I know that people have a variety of other nuanced complaints and issues, but for the most part, this is the internet)

It is a great big universe and I can't remain stagnant and rehashing the same old themes that Lucas kept trying. I actually feel like this movie did such a wonderful Justice to the Jedi Order but that is a different conversation.

I'm sorry previous poster that you can't embrace Nuance, change, and expansion. I know it must suck to have your entire nostalgic worldview shaken buy a director who can make a way better movie than George Lucas ever could

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are surprising because the Internet culture exists in a completely different world than the real world. diggi and slate and other news outlets have done some interesting pieces about the internet Fanboy phenomenon and people stacking review sites.

And Yahoo is filled with the worst kind of people. If you want to read Intelligent, thought provoking, and yes even critical, comments that are worth reading, try the a v Club.com

Look, I wanted to avoid name-calling, but since that's the direction we're going: I think most of the people who hate this movie fall into two categories. Either dogmatic Fanboys who can't stand change and are absolutely propelled by nothing but Nostalgia OR people who don't like the way the Star Wars universe is evolving beyond the Skywalker family and embracing diversity and change.

(Note that I said most. I know that people have a variety of other nuanced complaints and issues, but for the most part, this is the internet)

It is a great big universe and I can't remain stagnant and rehashing the same old themes that Lucas kept trying. I actually feel like this movie did such a wonderful Justice to the Jedi Order but that is a different conversation.

I'm sorry previous poster that you can't embrace Nuance, change, and expansion. I know it must suck to have your entire nostalgic worldview shaken buy a director who can make a way better movie than George Lucas ever could

You feel the way you feel, and we who hate it feel our way. It is not nostalgia that makes me sick about this movie. This is not stand alone movie, it is a part of 9 films, how do you just ignore and change everything so much? Guy who couldn't kill his own Dad, but fought to save him, is willing to kill his nephew as a child? Even Darth Vader, who killed younglings saved his own son. And it is a bad movie. Yes, science fiction, but come on, floating in space? My teen hated it, he is not a 50 year old fan boy, and he hated it. Even people who were kids when prequels came hated it and they liked the prequels. I respect your opinion of it as a stand alone movie, but it isn't a stand alone movie. Clone Wars were beautifully made, I wish they would remake them exactly as in the cartoon. Rian didn't have to rehash Lucas' universe, he could have made a whole new world without shi*ing on old themes. If we crucified Lucas for not giving enough justification for Anakin going dark, how can anybody accept Luke going even more dark with even less reason?

[Anonymous]

I've only seen SW movies for the first time ever in the last couple of years, and have not even seen the prequels--so be gentle.

Here are my questions. Why was Luke able to touch Leia at the end, if he was a Force ghost? And how was he able to go from solid to transparent at will, when Kylo tried to strike him with his saber?

One theory I told my husband--who's much more of a SW expert--is that perhaps he was able to touch Leia because she was also sort of a Force ghost. Maybe she actually did die out in space--or perhaps after she returned to the ship--and so it was her ghost at the end who was able to touch Luke.

Does this theory make any sense?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I liked the movie overall. I have a real problem with Leia as Kylo's mother, however. She seems completely cold and emotionless toward him. Yes, I know he's terrible and yadda yadda but seriously? Your son just showed up as the leader of the galaxy hell bent on destroying you, your base, and the small bit of survivors still following you, and instead of going out there to see what you can do, you sit on your ass and wait for others to come up with the plan? ...as an aside, she seemed like a very ineffectual leader - no real leadership, just a figurehead.

And then your brother shows up...so you allow your brother to go out to die at the hand of your son with no offers of involvement from yourself. He's your son, for Christ sake! Instead you run chicken shit into the caves.

Terrible and incomprehensible. I feel like this would not be accepted by the audience if it was a man doing this. But it's a woman choosing her career over her kid, and that's fashionable in the moment, or something. Except no.

I hadn't even thought about that but you are right - she did seem very cold toward her kid. Who killed her husband/his father but still.

I loved it. I thought it was funny, engaging, good steps forward for the plot and for the characters. I am excited to see what happens in the next installment. I was so happy to see and spend time with Carrie Fisher again - though I guess it would have been even more poignant (and helpful plot-wise) if she'd swapped places with Laura Dern. I guess that would have sort of made up for her not really responding to her son becoming a monster, too - she created this monster and she could have sacrificed herself to stop him. Plus then we'd have a new leader in Laura Dern.