Is it too early to talk about The Last Jedi (spoilers)?

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The puffin things were the cutest creatures ever.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, Kylo ren continues to throw temper tantrums like a damn 2 year old. I honestly cannot take him seriously as a villain. He needs a serious time out

I was wondering about that too. So fans went nuts and hate, hate Hayden Christensen because he was whiny, but now they are ok with even bigger whiner than Anakin? How does that makes sense. At least Hayden was kind of ok looking, and this actor is just...If it is all just entertainment, I don't want to be entertained in a space opera by uglies. Don't care how politically incorrect I sound. And at least character Anakin had a seriously bad childhood, he was a slave, his mother died, never met his father or didn't have a father. And Jedi rejected him even as a child, and didn't trust him, hid things from him, asked him to spy.
And son of Princess Leia and Han Solo is nothing but a whiner? And has Luke(old, not new deranged, want to murder a child, but hey, I can't bring myself to do it??) So, Kylo had at best, entitled, douche parents(hey, many kids in this area deal with the same, but manage to carry on with that new Range Rover instead). Maybe Leia should had stuck with 1,2, 3 magic and "yes, your teen is crazy?" Isn't that like watching our own kids rage bcs they got the $1000 MacAir but they really wanted the $1500 MacPro?

When I think about it this way, fans blamed Lucas for every single little detail, but now they can overlook gravity in space? Patricide, bcs... you didn't come to my light saber performance? Why even have a Jedi order if Rey can be more powerful than Darth Vader bcs Luke threw a light saber behind him and she beat air? And Anakin had his arm chopped off around the same age by Dooku, Obi Van couldn't beat him, and Yoda saved them, but now burns Jedi books while cackling?? Fans of Star Wars, but liking this atrocity, how can you be such hypocrites and tear apart Lucas while forgiving this mindless, makes no sense in any single way rubbish? Nobody forgave Justice league and Batman vs Superman, and at least we had good looking actors in those.

Oh, and Mark Hamill, clearly said in an interview that Rey wants a bad boy, not just as a friend. And why, she knew him all of two seconds?

Yoda didnt burn the books. The books weren't in the tree anymore which he surely knew. Rey took them with her when she left. They were in a drawer in the Millenuium Falcon. You see them at the end.

My bet is that Rey is the granddaughter of Obi-Wan Kenob.

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Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect. Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to. I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope. But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."

Rey won't be able to destroy Kylo Ren for the part of him she hates, she'll try to save him for the part of him she loves.

I like this theory and think it makes sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect. Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to. I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope. But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."

Rey won't be able to destroy Kylo Ren for the part of him she hates, she'll try to save him for the part of him she loves.

I like this theory and think it makes sense.

Why does she love any part of him? What is this background that makes her love him? Is it, "Oh, a bad boy, let me be a stupid girl and love a bad boy?"

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Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect. Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to. I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope. But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."

Rey won't be able to destroy Kylo Ren for the part of him she hates, she'll try to save him for the part of him she loves.

This is so gross. This is the message we want to send to our daughters? Yes, he's a genocidal maniac, but your love can save him! Yuck.

And no, Luke and Vader are not the same. A familial connection is one thing, but a romance-- no. The trope of a good woman saving the angry and broken man needs to die. It's damaging.

The entire Star Wars saga is about redemption. If you can't see any room for Kylo Ren to be redeemed, you don't understand Star Wars at all.

One further thought, don't forget that they had talked about how Episode IX was going to be Leia's movie, and it's possible that Leia, and not Rey, was originally intended to be the source of Kylo's redemption. Parent-child relationships are also a prominent theme of Star Wars, and this would flip the Luke/Vader redemption story on its head. But now that Carrie Fisher has passed and there will be no more Leia, the only surviving character with a relationship with Kylo that could possibly lead to his redemption is Rey.

How about Kylo saves his own damn self?

I'm not sure why redemption means that he gets the girl.

Let's say Darth Vader didn't die at the end of Return of the Jedi. He's "redeemed" so he doesn't face any consequences? He just gets to be Dad and live in Han and Leia's basement? I don't think so.

Sorry, but a romance between Kylo and Rey is really, really gross.

I think Rey will bring Kylo over to the "light" (and possibly he will then save her from going to the "dark" - the movie kept stressing balance as foreshadowing). But that doesn't mean they will "end up" together.

Han Solo and Leia didn't end up together either, don't foreget. They made a baby then separated.

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Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect. Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to. I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope. But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."

Rey won't be able to destroy Kylo Ren for the part of him she hates, she'll try to save him for the part of him she loves.

I like this theory and think it makes sense.

Why does she love any part of him? What is this background that makes her love him? Is it, "Oh, a bad boy, let me be a stupid girl and love a bad boy?"

No I think it's because they recognize a lot of heavy things in each other that they don't see in other people - loneliness, despair, attraction to the dark. They're two sides of the same coin.

Imagine how difficult it would be to reckon with having "the force" in you in this universe and having evil beings like Snoke constantly trying to tempt you over to the dark side, which you're inherently attracted to anyway.

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Also both of them feel like they were abandoned by their parents. Rey was and Kylo, rightly or wrongly, *feels* like he was because his parents separated and shiped him off to Uncle Luke. Not to mention, he is also bitter about his uncle trying to kill him because of what he has/who he is inside.

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Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect. Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to. I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope. But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."

Rey won't be able to destroy Kylo Ren for the part of him she hates, she'll try to save him for the part of him she loves.

I like this theory and think it makes sense.

Why does she love any part of him? What is this background that makes her love him? Is it, "Oh, a bad boy, let me be a stupid girl and love a bad boy?"

+1. I hate this theory. I think that Kylo Ren is not redeemable. His idolization of Vader is based on not acknowledging any of Vader/Anakin's internal conflict especially as that re-awakened when he found out he had a son. I think that his wanting to possess Rey, if not $exually, but through blind obedience, will be his undoing. Rey will rise above it and let him destroy himself. Plus Kylo killed one of the most beloved characters in Star Wars, his own father. I don't know what a redemption arc does to move this story forward.

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Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect. Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to. I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope. But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."

Rey won't be able to destroy Kylo Ren for the part of him she hates, she'll try to save him for the part of him she loves.

This is so gross. This is the message we want to send to our daughters? Yes, he's a genocidal maniac, but your love can save him! Yuck.

And no, Luke and Vader are not the same. A familial connection is one thing, but a romance-- no. The trope of a good woman saving the angry and broken man needs to die. It's damaging.

The entire Star Wars saga is about redemption. If you can't see any room for Kylo Ren to be redeemed, you don't understand Star Wars at all.

One further thought, don't forget that they had talked about how Episode IX was going to be Leia's movie, and it's possible that Leia, and not Rey, was originally intended to be the source of Kylo's redemption. Parent-child relationships are also a prominent theme of Star Wars, and this would flip the Luke/Vader redemption story on its head. But now that Carrie Fisher has passed and there will be no more Leia, the only surviving character with a relationship with Kylo that could possibly lead to his redemption is Rey.

How about Kylo saves his own damn self?

I'm not sure why redemption means that he gets the girl.

Let's say Darth Vader didn't die at the end of Return of the Jedi. He's "redeemed" so he doesn't face any consequences? He just gets to be Dad and live in Han and Leia's basement? I don't think so.

Sorry, but a romance between Kylo and Rey is really, really gross.

No man is an island. Remember the Force, an energy that binds all together all living things? It's a key part of Star Wars that we are all bound to each other, and it's those connections that bring light into the universe. After all, every time we see someone decide to go it alone, that's when they find themselves tempted by or succumbing to the Dark Side. And no one comes back from the Dark Side alone, they come back to it through their connections to other people. In RotJ, when Luke was on the brink of turning during his battle with Vader, and it was seeing Vader's severed hand and the reminder it was of Vader's humanity, Luke's humanity via his own severed hand, and the common bond between them as father and son that brought him back from the Dark Side.

So if Kylo is going to be redeemed, it will be via his connections to other people who don't see him as irredeemable. Han and Luke are dead, Leia (however they resolve her story) won't be there, the only other character he has a connection to is Rey. So it has to be her. I don't know what other possibility you see that wouldn't violate the essence of Star Wars.

+1 I agree, and think it's bizarre people are reading sexual tension into their relationship. It's an emotional connection, nothing sexual about it. Still pretty convinced they're twins, too much mirroring of Luke and Leia. Though I haven't been able to figure out why her birth was concealed and Ben's was not. Maybe related to some prophecy yet to be revealed.

Eh people are reading sexual tension into it because the actors have such good onscreen chemistry together. And also because shirtless Kylo was a surprise to all, including to Rey! lol

FWIW some fan commented positively on the sexual chemistry and star crossed romantic drama between them on twitter and the director "liked" it. So it seems that they will be heading that way in the next film. I am hoping for a romantic triangle between Poe, Rey, and Kylo myself! Poe and Rey are an established couple when the film opens and yet she finds herself irresistibly drawn to their worst enemy! Fun times.

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Anonymous wrote:...Poe and Rey are an established couple when the film opens...

huh?

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FWIW some fan commented positively on the sexual chemistry and star crossed romantic drama between them on twitter and the director "liked" it. So it seems that they will be heading that way in the next film. I am hoping for a romantic triangle between Poe, Rey, and Kylo myself! Poe and Rey are an established couple when the film opens and yet she finds herself irresistibly drawn to their worst enemy!

No, no, no, no, no. Rey and Finn or Poe and Finn would make sense. It's like DCUM can't fathom anyone but the three white actors (Oscar Isaac presents as white) being part of the core couple.

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Anonymous wrote:The puffin things were the cutest creatures ever.

Yes. My brother told me the real island was full of puffins so they decided to just put them in the movie since they couldn't get rid of them.

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FWIW some fan commented positively on the sexual chemistry and star crossed romantic drama between them on twitter and the director "liked" it. So it seems that they will be heading that way in the next film. I am hoping for a romantic triangle between Poe, Rey, and Kylo myself! Poe and Rey are an established couple when the film opens and yet she finds herself irresistibly drawn to their worst enemy!

No, no, no, no, no. Rey and Finn or Poe and Finn would make sense. It's like DCUM can't fathom anyone but the three white actors (Oscar Isaac presents as white) being part of the core couple.

NP. It was pretty obvious that Rey only likes Finn as a brother though.

And Poe is more attractive anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Also both of them feel like they were abandoned by their parents. Rey was and Kylo, rightly or wrongly, *feels* like he was because his parents separated and shiped him off to Uncle Luke. Not to mention, he is also bitter about his uncle trying to kill him because of what he has/who he is inside.

No, Han and Leia separated recently. They separated BECAUSE Ben turned to the dark side. In the book Bloodline, which takes place a few years before The Force Awakens, they were still together.

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Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect. Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to. I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope. But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."

Rey won't be able to destroy Kylo Ren for the part of him she hates, she'll try to save him for the part of him she loves.

I like this theory and think it makes sense.

Why does she love any part of him? What is this background that makes her love him? Is it, "Oh, a bad boy, let me be a stupid girl and love a bad boy?"

Agree. The stupid trope of "a bad man needs the love of a good woman in order to become good himself" just needs to die already.